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>hero and villain team up to fight a greater evil
>they make a good team
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>they go back to beating each other up
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>>78779122
>Don't get the wrong idea. This doesn't change anything.
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>>78779231
Are there any examples where the villain sees this as a chance for redemption, but the hero denies him? All I can think of are reverse examples.
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>>78779122
>hero and villain team up
>to win a company picnic event
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>>78779122
>it's a villains out shopping episode
>it's a masked villain and hero meet without their alter egos and get along episode
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>hero, anti hero and villain are all captured
>they team up to escape
>immediately afterwards the villain knocks the other two out and kidnaps them
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>the villain and hero are love interests
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>>78779122
>hero is beaten and about to lose to another villain
>main villain comes in to save him
>"nobody kills the hero but me!"
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>>78779290
there was that one X-Men Evolution episode where Lance tries to join the school, but basically gets bullied back into the Brotherhood
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>villain finally wins
>everything is better than before
>hero changes things back anyways
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>>78779434
Don't fuck around here. Give a goddamn example.
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>>78779362
all i know after watching that clip is that i wanna fuck the girl's eyeholes after licking her eyeballs

did she use contacts? post-processing? those are some damn nice eyes
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>the villain is stuck with the hero and has to save the world so they don't die
>villain actually has a commander
>villain, realizing how cool the heroes are, contacts the commander and tells them to go fuck themselves
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>>78779518

DD and Elektra
Hal and Star Sapphire
Flashpoint Batman and Joker
Wolverine and Mystique
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>>78779554
no, you can't do that for an episode that aired today
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>>78779290
Venom and Spider-Man make a truce to defeat Carnage, in turn Venom won't go after Spider-Man anymore. Spidey betrays him after they beat Carnage.
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>>78779554
just watched the new SU episode, huh?

admittedly, that is a great trope
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>>78779518
Batman and Catwoman
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>>78779518
Firestorm and Killer Frost.
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>the million times when team rocket teams up with ash

>they always go back to their original fuckery
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>>78779518
Danny Phantom and the black girl
American Dragon and the white girl
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>>78779180
I just want something where the bad guy and good guy are friends.

You have the ones where they know who they are outside of their hero/villain work but at best their still against each other.
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>character is a member of a mafia
>one day he tells the leader he wants to quit because he has a family now
>the day that he leaves, he gets killed because he was in the mafia
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>>78779434

I swear there was a doujin where the hero was the leader of a Sentai team, who was boinking the daughter of the BBEG, and in the end, they both more or less say "screw it" and elope together.
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>Hero finds villain while he is not doing villain stuff
>He is actually a pretty chill guy
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>>78779362
They stole Bagmans trick.
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>>78779885
>I just want something where the bad guy and good guy are friends.
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>>78779453
I remember when Star Wolf did this in Star Fox Assault and I lost my shit.
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>>78779453
>Awesome battle between the main villain and bigger villain happens
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>>78779122
>Alternate universe
>Hero and Villain don't have powers and are best friends.

or

>Alternate universe
>Hero is a villain and on the villain's side (and they are bffs) or vice versae.
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>Hero and villain are more or less bros outside of their jobs, despite doing their best to outdo each other while on the clock
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>>78782192
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>>78779122
>Things that never happen
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>>78779464
What show?
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>>78779122
It's even better when the main hero realizes the main baddy was right and after seeing how good of friends they can be, the hero finally joins the bad guy. We follow their broventures from there on out.
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>The villain is a good boss and their underlings are happy and content with their jobs
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>>78779464
Power puff girls
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>>78779290
I wouldn't say he saw it as a chance for redemption, but a few Megaman episodes from the 90's cartoon had this premise with Protoman and Mega shot his ass down every time.
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>incompetent villain decides to be good because he's tired of his shit being pushed in + general villain fuckery

>is just as bad at being good as they were at being bad
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>>78779122
>hero becomes evil
>turns out to be an even greater threat
>this happens to the joke character
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>>78779455
That shit made me mad as fuck
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>>78779231
>i-idiot!
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>>78785590
>comic relief character becomes the villian,
>becomes a threat even bigger than the original villian
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>>78785590
>>78787528
I also like the reverse of this.
>joke villain effortlessly saves the day after heroes and some villains tried and failed.
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>>78780989
ive seen this
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>>78785590
>>78787528
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>>78779765
They get to blow millions in mafia money every year, get to see the world, play with expensive shit. Essentially dick around for years all at the expense of a crime boss who has to keep putting up with their shit.

Would you ever stop that?
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>>78790281
She was never really comic relief though.
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>>78782731
came here to post this
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>>78780989
Not that one, but you'll LOVE this one.
https://www.fakku.net/manga/dramatic-couple-english/read/page/1
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>the villain is in a loving relationship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9OgNywlgCk
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>>78780072
It's not /co/, but Hotline Miami 2 had this with the added bonus of his gf leaving him before he dies
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>>78790786
But we know that they're broke a lot of the time and James gave up his cushy life though
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>hero and villain hang out when they're not "on the clock"
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>>78779614
>Spidey betrays him after they beat Carnage.

WHAT.

THE FUCK.

SPIDEY.

Jesus Christ Spidey really was a dick to the symbiote though.

>find out your new costume is actually a sentient being
>TRY TO FUCKING MURDER IT

Can't really blame Venom for wanting to kick his ass.
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>>78792563
The glooms are cute! cute!
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>>78793224
wasnt venom and carnage supposed to be stonger and faster than spidey ?
how he manage to take them in 1 vs 1 ??
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>>78779806
afaik, both of those are doubtful. Rose went good, I think, and that black chick stopped hunting DP
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>>78790241
>>78787528

Or, the midway point

>Joke villain gets sick of not being taken seriously, and becomes the biggest threat the heroes have faced yet.
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>>78793278
Symbiotes are weak to fire and sonics.

So he plays his mixtape.
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>>78793350
oh
didnt know about the fire weakness
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>Character is allways seen wearing a mask
>Somebody takes off the mask
>There's another mask under the first mask
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>>78793368
Yep.

During one of his earliest confrontations with Venom he won by tricking the symbiote into thinking he wanted it back.

Again, Spidey really was a dick to the poor thing.
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>>78793333
also
>joke villain accidentally becomes the biggest threat the heroes have ever faced and accidentally defeated themselves when realizing how big of a threat they became.
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>series finale
>last big batitle starting in Orchestrated number
>it's the main theme remixed for this episode
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>>78779554
My nigga
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>>78790241
>joke villain sacrifices themselves to save the world.
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>>78781685
>AU where the villain is the hero and the hero is the villain
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>>78793157
A few years back, the boss finally realized how stupidly, stupidly loyal they are to him and they've been some of his most respected henchmen since (they even saved his life at one point). They have far fewer money issues these days.

They still opt to dick and chase Pikachu.
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>>78793597
My guess is that Giovanni's counting on their antics in foreign countries to fool the local authorities into underestimating Team Rocket.

Five minutes after Ash and buddies save the day and walk off into the sunset, a band of Team Rocket elites waltzes in and roflstomps everyone's shit.
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>>78793224
To be fair, symbiotes do not give a singular fuck about redemption. They are 100% pure evil, unless you beat them down hard enough.

The only reason the Venom symbiote cares is because Spider-Man rejected it. That's all it cares about. It wants to stick to Parker and go around wrecking shit, and so if it can't have Peter then NO ONE CAN!

It deserves it.
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>>78793696
You're forgetting Venom's backstory prior to the Bendising.

It was considered insane by its own kind and locked up because it wanted to bond with a single host for life, instead of going through hosts like tissue paper like the rest of its race does.

Hell, the worst thing it did while Peter was bonded to it was take his body out webslinging while he was asleep. That's hardly the kind of thing that justifies trying to kill it.

Eddie Brock's pretty much to blame for the Venom symbiote going insane. Unless you consider Deadpool's Secret Secret Wars to be canon.
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>>78783025
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>>78793157
wasn't James basically being sold into an abusive, loveless marriage? I'd run away from that shit too
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>>78792355
hahaha thats terrific
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>>78793800

>pre-Bendis Venom symbiote was essentially a pure waifu wanting a life-long partner, born among the sea of succubus-esque whores that is its race
>it only went apeshit because its true love rejected it with little reason, and it had to settle for some asshole who hates said true love with a passion
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>>78779122
>the villain is a good father and loves his family.
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>>78782833
>>78783033
FFTA
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>bad guy's lieutenant refuses to carry out his orders because he's a genuinely good man, even though it means his death
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>>78779885
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>>78779455
oh christ i remember this so well. made me fucking rage as a kid.
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>Villain is former hero who's outlook has changed from what he's been through
>He does bad things for good reasons
>He wins in the end
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>>78793224
It's more like
>find out your new costume is actually a sentient being
>It's really fucking sweet.
>Keeps it around for a while.
>It tells him to kill people.
>He says no.
>It keeps telling him to kill people until it tries to force him to kill people
>Tries to kill it.

Lots of people forget that Spidey had the symbiote for quite a while.
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>>78793670
Pretty sure giovanni also notice that wreid correlation between Jessie/james landing on a new region and the local mafia disbanding sometime later.
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>>78794255
Yes, we weep, daily, for Dreadwing...
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>>78794551
Uh no. It didn't turn the host evil in the original story.

It just took Peter's body out webslinging while he was asleep, that's the worst thing it did.

The whole "turning Peter evil" thing was a retcon that I'm pretty sure started in the 90s cartoon and was added to the comics because otherwise, as I've already established, Peter's treatment of the symbiote makes him look like a dick.
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Nothing better than enemy-co-operating fun.
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>Reboot of old show
>New version of character is better than the old version(s)
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>>78794255

Personally, I'm a fan of

>Bad Guy's lieutenant finds out about a plan the Big Bad is planning to enact that will harm civilians/children/whatever
>Lieutenant sneaks out to warn the good guys of what's going to happen
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>>78781597
I miss when Vegeta wasn't a hero, just an ally out of necessity. That scene when he lets Cell go perfect was god tier.
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>>78795992
Vegeta was always in the good guy closet.

>I-it's not like I wanted to save you, dummy! I j-just want to be the one to kill you!
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>>78787528
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>>78795890
The only time I can think of that happening was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and it was great. Got any other examples?
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>only one character knows that the villain is actually the villain and not some innocent schmuck
>they finally are able to reveal to the world that the villain is evil
>everybody's memories are erased at the end of the episode

Fuck kid vs kat, what a shitty show
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>>78796521
I hate status quo enforcement.
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>>78793800
Hasn't the symbiote gone back to being the way it was since it merged with Flash
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>>78796689
That's what the Bendising is.

They basically threw out the symbiote's 30-year history just to appeal to people who are only familiar with Agent Venom and only know Venom as "a guy with a costume that can do cool things".
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>>78781202
what shows?
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>>78796721
Shame, last I heard of Flash is that he had a qt goth sidekick
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>>78793880
>that pause of letting that sink in at the end
Amazing
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>>78796365
>Killed millions on a regular basis
>Murdered innocent people all the time
>Jeopardized the entire universe by letting Cell upgrade just for his own ego
>Thinking he didn't just have a boner for Goku
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>>78779290
>introduce an even more powerful bad guy
>normal badguy teams up with the protagonist
>"why would you want to help me?"
>"Because if he destroys the world I won't be able to"
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>>78792563
>Xanatos and Fox in Gargoyles

In fact, everything about Xanatos was just the best.
>Isn't unreasonable or stupidly malicious, just a guy who wants power. He's otherwise amicable and friendly.
>Doesn't hold any personal grudges against the Gargoyles. Open to working with them if the situation calls for it.
>Even when he loses, he manages to eek some victory out

I miss Gargoyles.
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>>78796792
Yep, she had a symbiote of her own (the clone that the real Venom ate a long ass time ago). And then she was shoved in Marvel's Vault of Characters We're Never Gonna Fucking Use Again.
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>>78796832
>Killed millions on a regular basis
>Murdered innocent people all the time

To be fair he was kinda forced into that shit by Frieza. He stopped killing people after Freezy-Pop bought the farm.

>Jeopardized the entire universe by letting Cell upgrade just for his own ego

I'll give you that one but Vegeta at least made up for it by distracting Cell and giving Gohan a chance to finish him off.

But let's be honest: in a setting where A: resurrecting people is a trivial matter and B: the afterlife is confirmed to exist, killing people really isn't that big of a deal.

In real life killing is considered to be so bad because it's permanent, and since we don't know for sure what there is after death, the victim's loved one's might never see the victim again.

It doesn't matter if one of your loved ones dies if you know it's guaranteed that you're gonna see them in Other World eventually.
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>>78793880
Anyone got a link to this scene or can tell me what to search for
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>>78781450
You mean you lost your shit in a good way? Because I tought it was pretty cool. That and Star Fox and Star Wolf actually teaming up in the final mission.
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>>78796511

Funnily enough, the main example I thought of was Lindsey in Angel. I'd forgotten that was how Spike originally started working with the Scoobies.
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>>78779617
What happened, did the green one become a good guy or something?
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>>78779290
He doesn't truly want redemption but Kilgrave on the Jessica Jones netflix show?
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>>78796521
The entire premise of that show was based around the only cliche that is able to consistently piss me off.
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>>78779554
ayy
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I liked how these guys did it
>Big Bad's land and Hero's land at war
>Big Bad disappears for an entire season once the Bigger Bad takes over his land
>Hero tries to fight Bigger Bad and can't even make it to him
>Big Bad shows up and saves him
>They kick Bigger Bad's ass
>Peace between lands for half a season
>Start the war again after disagreeing who won their version of NASCAR
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>>78793670
I actually want that to happen
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>welcome, hero, to my lair!
>you've come far, and now it's time for us to finally face o--
>he gets shot in the face
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>>78793880
What anime is this?
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>>78798701
>>78800970
Dancouga.
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>>78801264
>Mecha shit
Oh well, but thanks for stating the source
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>>78796365
>>78795992
>>78796832
I always wonder at what point Vegeta switched teams. Frieza Saga Vegeta would absolutely go back to conquer Earth, and when he became a Super Saiyan he must've thought he was invincible.
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>>78779885
There was the episode of Justice League where the Flash promises to visit Trickster and play darts.
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>>78801807
Well, right after the Frieza Saga he moved in with Bulma...
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>>78793384
>Character is allways seen wearing a mask
>Somebody takes off the mask
>They turn into jobbers
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>Hero or heroine has to kill a loved one for the greater good
>They become spent and broken
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>joke character that audience sympathizes with
>has to sacrifice himself the last mission so that everyone else on the team lives
>after the credits it shows he married the bad girl that supposedly kills him and they sit happily on a beach somewhere
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>>78802627

I assume that only happened once?
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>>78802627
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
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>>78793800
I find this...oddly sweet. And kind of tragic.
Well, these were not emotions I was prepared to feel for Venom.
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>>78802797
Venom-chan had a hard life.
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>>78779362
Hey, it's turbo kid
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>>78779518
Discord and Fluttershy :)
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>>78779464
>Emperor Doom
>Doom uses Purple Man make everyone forget he's a villain
>Immediately brings the world into a new age of peace with no war, crime, famine or disease where everyone is happy forever
>Suddenly Avengers
>NAH, FUCK THAT, DOOM'S A VILLAIN! KICK HIS ASS!
>The world becomes a shithole again
Thanks guys. Good job saving the world.
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>>78793224
I didn't like how Venom was the arch-villain in Reign, but I did like the metatextual rationalization for it.

That the symbiote represents Peter's greatest failure to accept responsibility.
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>>78797721
He killed the crowd at the world tourn in the Majin arc, and they were resurrected by Bulma before Buu killing Earth. So can't they not be resurrected again?
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>>78801807
As soon as he got with Bulma. She's a bitch, but the earth game ridiculous
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>>78797721
Really? You remember how he got his first dragon ball when he was deliberately fighting against Freiza? He slaughtered a village of Namekians.
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>>78803240
>>Doom uses Purple Man make everyone forget he's a villain
>>Immediately brings the world into a new age of peace with no war, crime, famine or disease where everyone is happy forever
Via mind control.
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>>78797721
In regards to the afterlife, it's confirmed that heaven and hell exist, so there's no guarantee you will meet your loved ones if they get judged to the other place.
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>>78800118
She told Yellow Diamond to fuck off and basically is a Crystal Gem now.
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