>5 Years Later and most fans still aren't over the New 52
Will DC ever recover its fanbase? How long did it take for people to accept Post-Crisis DC? I mean yeah it's not helping that a lot of people are just out it for DC (And it doesn't help that DC Higher-Ups are just incompetent in general, it's a miracle that Pakistanian thing didn't blow up since no one reads Superman/Wonder Woman)
there's no recovering the previous fan base, no. i'm one of them. i can only speak for myself when i say i've moved on from DC. not that i was much of a reader besides Morrison's Batman and a couple of other books depending on the writer or artist. i was already moving on from big two comics in general around that time. when the reboot happened, it was enough for me to quit DC apart from Morrison's work. the reboot seemed unnecessary and actually somewhat incompetent, which is how i view the big two today.
the problem with comics is that their fan base grows up, find new interests, etc. when they return/relapse (hehe) to check out what they've missed, they see a bunch of what they liked about characters they were fond of now eliminated or retconned.
new readers are difficult to come by because comics are not really cost-effective per entertainment value when compared to video games, movies, sports, etc. comics are a niche market which blew up in the 90's and has settled down now. the bit two seem to be only interested in getting back to those numbers, to the detriment of old the fan base.
kinda longwinded and incoherent, but i hope you get my drift.
SM/WW had an editor note that says *translated from Pakistanian* some Pakistani guy from twitter called it out saying that's not a real language. Not any major comic book sites have published any story yet from what I've seen but the Outhousers has.
I regularly bought Post!Crisis and I gave new52 a try in the first year was left unhappy with the direction of a lot of characters. So I stopped.
I just don't care about DC comics anymore and I'll just stick to their adaptations.
Berganza is Editor for the Superman books so probably him, remind me why this guy still isn't fired yet?
It's bad because it shows how the editors for this book can't be arsed to do a single google search about what language Pakistani people use. and yes, that too.
So you're saying that after DC failed to hook them into their new universe after giving them a year to do so they should still be reading DC? Even though they didn't like the comics they read?
>Berganza is Editor for the Superman books so probably him, remind me why this guy still isn't fired yet?
Berganza is the editor that oversees the Superman book so the issue to issue shit isn't usually up to him. Superman/Wonder Woman was overseen by Rickey Purdin, an ex-wizard employee working under Berganza and Purdin is essentially a shit editor who has edited a load of bad books since the Nu52 including Firestorm, BoP and World's End. I think DC dumped his ass and he moved to the House of Ideas :D
It's about to blow up soon.
Man may have been a dick but the delays that's going on right now on certain books? No way in hell that would've happened.
It literally takes ten seconds to google national language of Pakistan. For fucks sake you don't even need to click wikipedia, it's right on the right.
Talk about wasted opportunity. Had such a great concept and a chance to make him relevant again but instead we got Gail "Why don't we have black friends" Simone to start it off.
How many people actually picked up on that on their own, let alone were offended by it? I would guess only very few. It's dumb but entirely in line with the shoddy editing that is the norm in the big two.
The Pakistanian thing just popped up on G Willow Wilson's twitter.
I don't think it'll blow up because of Scandal Exhaustion. Basically DC has done so many stupid things in such a short amount of time that people no longer care.
Not to mention the actual population that cares about DC comics has never been lower than it has right now. You might as well find a scandal regarding the writing of a Dark Horse comic for what people care.
When it comes to consumers, perception is very often reality, and right now DC reeks of failure in the eyes of many (most?) comic readers. New 52 fell flat within months of its launch, largely due to how poorly-planned it was and the incompetence of editorial in general. Even if DC could somehow right the shit one day, it could take years for DC to win the readers' trust back.
Between New 52 and All-New Marvel Now, I'm quickly becoming aware of just how bad an idea a linewide relaunch is. It never really works out. The difference being that Marvel didn't burn their bridge before they crossed it. They still have a past to return to, unlike DC who perma-fucked themselves by erasing their first 70 years of publishing history.
Simone was like the second choice. The editors had basically dumped John's personal choice: Brian Clevinger who had turned in an interesting pitch:
>their first 70 years of publishing history
You know that there was a Reboot before that right ? crisis ? zero hour ? there was always reboots and people complaining for no reason
>I think this is a perspective I can use to make Ronnie and Jason more than an asshole jock and a nebbishy dork who bicker at each other.
Reading this is just making me mad because this is exactly what every writer did on Firestorm. This could've been great.
>DC has well-written books starring women/minorities
>comic sites ignore them in favor of the latest Marvel progressive trash
>DC makes some minor mistakes
>everyone on the internet can't stop writing about how sexist/racist/misgynistic they are
The Pakistanian thing is dumb, but I'm really damn tired of people shitting on DC and never aknowledging the good books they have. Because it's groundbreaking only when Marvel does it, apparently.
He's referring to the fact that you are too lazy to actually read the post.
One of the biggest problems with the consumers of comics these days. From Tumblr (just reposting, or reblogging or whatever the fuck they do on there, a bunch of random pictures out of context from a book and either trashing or praising a book just based on that), to just regular consumers who just cannot read a book without captions (the kind that enjoy Scott Lobdell books at DC and completely ignore books like Grayson), etc.
It's very common these days to just react to someone else's reactions or just read a summary of something else, a lot more common than those that actual read the full source material with the full intention of trying to understand and enjoy it.
That's what that anon meant.
TL;DR He tried to call you out by comparing you to like half of the "consumers" of comics.
1) A lot of people don't like Superman editorial and blame it for basically everything wrong with the character (and Wonder Woman too since they handle her book).
2) She is more in with SJW guys like Doyle
Not really. This has been a trend since before Disney acquired Marvel, and then acquired Star Wars.
>DC has well-written books starring women/minorities
Well, Midnighter got into a lot of Top Comics of 2015 Lists, and so did Prez and "ugh" Batgirl.
Just face it anon, between gay batman and marvel stuff. People are more liable to give page views for the latter
I am, senpai. At this point, I'm just hoping DC won't just give up and end books that I want more out of. Grayson is my favourite book, as of now, and I just don't want it to end prematurely. But knowing the number of people that just enjoy shitting on DC, as well as that small group of crazy "fans" that hate Grayson, I just can't ever come to care what other people think about comics anymore.
This isn't just marketing. DC is just bad period at promoting and messaging starting from their non-existent marketing arm to their social media to editorial. It's like no one knows how to hype and sell the product.
I really wish that certain Marvel writers had this train of thought.
They have the power of WB behind them and they've even done commercials for comics but they need to get that late night show/talk show audience too man.
People shit on the Thor announcement on the View but I know a lot of people who were interested in buying the book.
Now you are changing the goal posts. The OP was claiming that Marvel was using SW as a crutch to beat DC. And the other poster posted the pre-2014 charts clearly show they didn't have to rely on SW. They used crossovers and other gimmicks instead .
And all the charts clearly show SW or no SW, the market clearly favors Marvel for some ludicrous reason.
I'm saying you should follow good creative teams and titles instead of judging the entire new 52 by the shaky first year.
You also could've just dropped the bad titles, there were plenty of good comics to choose from.
I think they put Grant Morrison on TV to promote something. The trouble is, Marvel goes on TV shouting "we made Thor into a woman!!!" and DC doesn't really do gimmicks like that. If they had done Superman depowered in such fashion, I swear to God the news cycle woukd spin it as DC being unamerican by shitting on Superman by robbing him of his powers.
Oh I definitely agree. We got a lot of great books nobody reads out of it.
If they'd promoted it well (or even at all, really) it could have been great for the company and their image.
believe it or not the Superman Creative Teams has been pretty solid. I mean FFS they got Gene Luan Yang who's a really huge Superman fan and really knows how to speak to the new generation of readers but for some reason his run.... oh god it just fucked up. I mean it's not bad, but expecting Yang I was hoping to be blown away or something but all I got was John Cena Superman and Asian Deities wrestling
I mean, I get that he was created as a Batman pastiche, but I don't get people who say he's "just gay Batman". Their personalities and approach to crime couldn't be any more different.
But I guess people saying that don't read comics anyway.
I'm not moving the goalposts, you're just posting retarded info. The yearly dollar share for 2011 was Marvel at 37.29% and DC at 31.41% with the unit share Marvel at 40.93% and DC at 36.77%. Cherry picking a month doesn't change the fact that they sold almost the same amount in the year otherwise you could just pick September of 2011 and say that DC is better.
The huge difference doesn't happen until Star Wars comes out in 2015 where Marvel jumps up a good 8-10% over DC.
The West Coast move/Convergence fucked them over but DCYOU would've been a perfect thing to promote the fuck out of. Commericals, a mention from Seth Meyers, MTV/Rolling Stone interviews, fuck something man. It's frustrating to see DC continually miss the mark so much.
>I swear to God the news cycle woukd spin it as DC being unamerican by shitting on Superman by robbing him of his powers.
Didn't something like that happened when Superman renounced his American citizenship or something like that?. I remember that that news even reached place like my country
This. Telling people story > continuity turned off a lot of their core readers. If they never said it people wouldn't care so much. Just hand wave continuity errors as taking place at different times. That's exactly what Marvel is doing but no one gives them shit for it because tey don't go around parading that shit
Why doesn't Batgirl just take place in the past? Why did they have to fuck up Oracle like that?
I will never get over this.
People are are butthurt about the New 52 by and large are dumbasses that didn't read it or they read one title they didn't like and dropped it. New 52 gave us an insanely good line up by and large from the start.
Yeah the talent on the Superman books is certainly great (Yang, Pak, Tomasi), but the editorial direction is fucking everything over. Greg Pak wrote great Action Comics stories outside of crossovers, and Tomasi has written a much better Superman and Wonder Woman in everything outside of the actual Superman/WW book
>So he's responsible for shitty creative teams, and ill-advised story directions
In movie terms he is the producer. But the thing is the creative teams like Yang/Porter/Pak/Kuder aren't the problem. The problem is the producers/production assistants coming in telling the directors what to do to the point they have hamstrung the writers (barring a-listers like johns/snyder/lee).
And we had a asian batgirl, an asian robin, a mexican blue beatle, a hispanic green lantern and a lesbian batwoman, a superteam of women, fucking gotham sirens etc years ago. No one cares.
Midnighter, Catwoman, Bombshells, Constantine, Gotham Academy
>inb4 hurr they're actually bad
Sure as shit better than whatever progressive books Marvel puts out, like Hellcat or Squirrel Girl.
The Legend of Wonder Woman
Robin Son of Batman
We Are Robin
>discounts Cyborg DC Bombshels and Constantine
Constantine has great art and the story is fun though, Bombshells is good book that doesent take itself seriously and the only problem with cyborg is the art
Clevinger, Hastings and Ryan North are probably the most famous to go professional, but I feel bad about putting North up there with the other two because goddamn Squirrel Girl is mediocre dreck.
Yea, I read and loved it but Kyle has never really been the religious type. Hell, how he got his grandmothers cross is beyond me when he barely knows his father
who gave him the fake last name of Rayner, let alone that side of the family.
>best Catwoman run in like a decade
>takes character in new direction
>by a fresh creator just dipping her toes into the comics world
>abruptly replace it all with bullshit
What the fuck, DC?
>The trouble is, Marvel goes on TV shouting "we made Thor into a woman!!!" and DC doesn't really do gimmicks like that.
/co/ is going to hate this, but DC really should consider doing that. I'll always give props to the DC writer who said something along the lines of Marvel's promotion of a more diverse line up is cool but we don't need to do that: we just write the books, but their sales say otherwise.
Another anon above mentioned Prez and Midnighter getting into a lot of end of the year Top 10 books which is great, but Prez and Midnighter are the exact book that should've gotten articles like 'DC has first openly gay man headlining his own book.' or 'DC's new biting political comic features a teenage girl as the protagonist'. Even Cyborg could've been used to promote the book to drum up interest the movie if it's still happening. DC has the books to reach out to new audiences but they don't promote them well enough. Just doing hashtags and interviews on CBR isn't going to work.
>If they had done Superman depowered in such fashion, I swear to God the news cycle woukd spin it as DC being unamerican by shitting on Superman by robbing him of his powers.
Like what happened when Cap was shot? an event that got the CNN talking about it? Controversial news is still news look at Sam Wilson going after the sons of the serpent when they were on border control. Fox News got pissy about it, Nick Spencer called them out on it, and people talked about the issue. That Superman police brutality arc? The Batman issue about police brutality, systematic racism, and gentrification? Should've gotten more attention especially the Batman one.
Sorry for any grammatical errors, I wrote this one in a rush.
Probably a fill-in writer until they cancel and relaunch the book in five issues.
And why Tieri seriously? All he turns in is shit. Has he written anything good for DC? I know he has fans at Marvel.
>DC really should consider doing that
No, all it'll do is get rid of the good faith they've built up with fans who respect what they're doing and give people who don't like DC more ammunition.
It's not worth the quick buck.
> all it'll do is get rid of the good faith they've built up with fans who respect what they're doing
>It's not worth the quick buck
Good one, anon!
You know how the most shared Harley moments is from Injustice?. Is either the Lobo thing or the Doctor Fate thing. And I can't believe how DC hasn't capitalize that in putting Taylor in the Harley book. I mean, is not secret the most feminist and whatnot see Harley as a rolemodel (crazy I know) and Taylor is the perfect writer to give them what they want, its a win.win situation
All of these books you are talking about were done under a small number of editors (many of them are recent hire). Likewise lot of the crap are done by the wide majority who don't give a fuck and who approve shit like "Pakistanian"
The only good books Marvel has right now are Vision, Hercules and Squadron Supreme. Literally everything that's considered progressive by comic blogs is trash. Fucking show me a book DC is releasing right now that's worse than Squirrel Girl.
Not in continuity, again, something that didnt need the new52
Not a single good new52 book needed the reboot,, that's the fucking problem, we lost an entire rich universe for nothing. Every good stuff could had been made in the old universe.
Yeah, but I don't see it being praised or having most shared moments, which could be used as a good marketing tool. In my long and painful time that I was in Tumblr I didn't even see a Harley panel and/or page from the N52 that wasn't shit on, but I did see Injustice panel and/or pages being praised. My point is that Taylor is the perfect man to bring a good moment to DC, I hope he doesn't screw up with Green Lanterns and Batman/Superman
>/co/ is going to hate this, but DC really should consider doing that.
DC is retarded. Marvels play book is wide open, and yet they can't copy any of the strats? Also there was a panel once where someone asked them about female books and their reply was something like "we have them, we aren't like marvel though since we don't go on the view, go find them yourself." And here they are now, getting shit on for their low sales on a Burmese rice aficionado forum.
I sincerely doubt that Taylor would bring in more readers than Gray/Palmiotti already have and it's a huge risk to do so. Just because someone has shares doesn't mean they are going to read it. If the book starts dropping in sales then I'd be all for it, but at this point it's not worth it.
Not him, but honestly I'd only consider Prez and Midnighter to be good from the list. Rest are pretty mediocre.
Of course, you're right that good is subjective and this is just my opinion.
What I want to know is why doesn't anyone talk about the good books. I just started reading Nu52 Animal Man and holy shit it's good. Yet I've never heard anyone talk about it on /co/
Is this more proof that /co/ doesn't read comics?
Not him but
No need of a reboot
No need of a reboot
>The Legend of Wonder Woman
everyone was hyped, ended up being boring
>Robin Son of Batman
Fun book, not need of a reboot
>We Are Robin
havnt read it
Good, no reboot needed
No reboot need it, decent
Not muh secret six, bad.
That image is really frustrating to look at. They have the characters, writers, and artists, but no one fucking knows about them.
So despite people giving you examples you're going to do the whole 'I-It doesn't count because I don't like them!' thing aren't you?
Im sure they make plenty of money in trades and digital sales, especially with books like Multiversity that will keep making money for them for years to come.
It's alright, mostly middling.
>The Legend of Wonder Woman
Didn't realise this was digital first will have to check it out.
Bad to meh
>Robin Son of Batman
>actually counting Damian as a minority
>We Are Robin
Can't stand supernatural stories so can't fairly judge it.
>Late 80's and 90's fanbases is pretty much gone
Yeah, because all those people were either kids who have now grown up and have work and families, and therefore don't buy eight books a month, or they were adult hobbyists who are now in rest homes. Of course they no longer have that fanbase you idiot. That's fucking ancient history.
>>So despite people giving you examples you're going to do the whole 'I-It doesn't count because I don't like them!' thing aren't you?
You mean the exact same thing you do with Marvel books?
>DC isn't producing much good stuff currently either.
You fucking wot?
>Batman and Robin Eternal
>Justice League 3001
>Lois and Clark
DC are fucking wiping the floor with Marvel actual quality wise.
It ended almost 3 years ago. Of course no one is going to make threads about it all the time when it's not even ongoing anymore. When it was coming out it was talked about all the time along with Swamp Thing.
I like Marvel's books. I like DC's books, but you (if you're not that anon then I apologize) asked people to name 5 books featuring leads of color/women/lgbt that DC was publishing right now and people did. Now their books don't count because. to you, they're not good.
I know people who enjoy Ms.Marvel, I know some people who don't.
I know people who like Prez, I know people who don't
They're still books featuring non-white non-male leads and even though people might have different opinions about them, doens't mean that people can't recommend them.
Nice de-railing with the Marvel thing though.
Okay public opinion may be wrong word choice but you really mean to tell me that you hear more positive things about DC and their books than negative things?
>>Nice de-railing with the Marvel thing though.
Complaining about Marvel was literally the entire point of the original post. And my point is exactly that DC isn't producing much worth considerig "good" in comparison to the stuff Marvel is putting out. Which you at least seem to get
I can't speak for other people, but for me my problem is that I like the continuity/shared history aspect of Big Two comics, and the New 52 snapped all that. I don't think they need to refer to continuity every two seconds but I like to know what the history of the character is. With the New 52 I felt like I really didn't know who these people were.
I think the comics media is hilariously biased in favor of Marvel but I don't know how much impact they have on sales at all. But that's not my problem, my problem is just that this Superman doesn't feel like the same guy.
>you really mean to tell me that you hear more positive things about DC and their books than negative things?
Depends where you look, in comic stores I frequent it's divided, on /co/ I see praise for good comics either company is putting out (DC happens to have more) and on shitty comic news sites it's biased towards Marvel.
Idk why people are complaining current justice league is GOAT
Someone who reads books from both companies based on interest and quality and not blind loyalty like yourself.
Also that has been reading comics for more than 4 years.
These threads always seem to have two kinds of posters:
a.) People who recognize that DC has good comics but their marketing is fucked so people who would enjoy these books don't know they exist.
b.) Faggots who believe DC does no wrong and "the media" is out to get them.
DC is literally being held affloat by Bats and JLA.
Everything else they released in the last 6-7 years was a horrible piece of shit which should mostly be avoided at any cost.
Marvel is a clusterfuck currently and cashin in on the MCU bullshit.
IDW is ok-ish. Dark Horse is pretty much IDW with more grimdark shit added.
Image has pretty decent stuff but nothing too good to make the sales matter.
Comics seem to serve a beta phase for movie franchises now. We lose, no matter how /co/
JL is shit. And Johns needs to step aside and stop working in continuity. He needs to quit and do minis only, his work on tv, games and movies is not compatible with a fucking flagtitle.
Sure, but you said everything except Bats and JLA is a piece of shit.
Sales don't equal quality. Plenty of DC books staring B-listers and C-listers were/are good post Nu52. It's a shame they didn't and don't sell.
Has it really been five years?
Because it feels like a fucking hundred.
Actually, change of any kind is inherently bad because unstability and chaos are bad while safety and familiarity are good. Change needs to be an improvement to outweigh the inherent bad of it.
As a new comic fan. I liked the new 52, I saw Flash on TV and new 52 was a wonderful jump in point.
I'm now up to date on Flash, JL and Aquaman. Not every issue has been great but there certainly have been some very cool things in there.
Regardless, it's not like the older comics no longer exist. I went back and read Silver Age Flash, COIE, Zero Hour, Bart's run and I'm 50% of the way through Waid's Wally.
So let's list things that are ACTUALLY still wrong in the current DCU, not counting current story directions and edicts because those are fleeting:
>Superman still has shitty costume and is somehow the only character who hasn't gotten a new one
>Vic Sage isn't allowed to be Question
>Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Aquaman currently have writers who are either shit or just don't care, when these should be treated like the flagship books
>Tim Drake, Cassie Sandsmark, Superboy and Impulse still in ruins
>JSA still on their fucked up containment universe with a ton of awful OCs
>Wally West basically doesn't exist
>Wildstorm characters in limbo
>handful of villains have shit new origins but that can always be ignored eventually
>Ted Kord still missing in action (not counting JL3000 which is great, and the one-off appearance that never got followed-up on)
Overall we're in a pretty fine place now though. The reboot, in all honesty, was a good and kind of necessary idea to cut out all the chaff that's accumulated over the past 30 years. Just a lot of stuff was rushed, and a couple of really bad stupid creators had way too much control over essential parts of the mythos (namely Teen Titans).
I'm really glad and impressed how DC has recently backed off the continuityfagging and edginess, so thankfully a lot of those shitty things will eventually be ignored and forgotten.
>Wally West basically doesn't exist
I'm not so hurt over this. It's a comic book world, he can be pulled into existence within one page if need be. Hell, they just need to say he escaped into the speedforce during Flashpoint and bam, he is back.
Seeley seems to really like them, they could definitely use more love, but there's a lot of hope there
Hopefully Johns will follow up on that
I still hold that Venditti gets sold short here because Johns was so based, and his Flash is so shit, but it could really use a new artist (and hopefully Tom King too)
We know we're getting Abnett, and Johns is coming back at some point, I believe
Agree on everything else
After Johns is Jeff Parker who is probably the single most underrated writer in cape comics today, and his run goes on until DCYou when Cullen Bunn takes over.
Bunn's run is one of the most boring things I read last year, to the point that even he eventually said "yeah I was just doing this because they asked me to" and is voluntarily leaving the book.
>This is to say, if you remove the Star Wars franchise from the picture, the Marvel universe isn’t doing that much better than the DC universe. Oh, Marvel is much better pruning the vine and keeping the sales above 20K on their superhero titles, but with the exception of Spidey and perhaps Deadpool, the mid-list is the top list and 40K is starting to be high sales for anything not designated a flagship franchise.
I expected something on the level of COIE to happen during my lifetime. I just thought it would have been handled better. Nu52 came out of nowhere and it showed. I think more people would have forgiven it if it had better execution.
I don't mind that somethings get retconned or changed; that's just the nature of Big 2 comics. I just need to decide for myself whether or not those changes work. If I don't like what's being published, I simply move on to other comics.
Mfw DC released a film with a sentient planet before GotG
reboots always start out rough than find a pace once they reintroduce some of the older concepts.
In this case I think reintroducing Wally and the JSA would go a long ways. If that doesn't bring people back it's not because of the reboot they quit, they're just sick of comics and new 52 was a jumping off point.
>Batman and Green Lantern mythology stayed mostly the same
you mean like it did with the new 52
>stayed mostly the same
except for where they killed the Flash and replaced him with his former sidekick, yeah exactly the same
You're acting like COIE didn't change anything, but you're ignoring stuff like Byrne reboot of Superman, Perez reboot of Wondy, the Hawkworld reboot of Hawkman & Hawkwoman, completely removing the JSA from continuity for several years, changing the JL founder lineup, etc.
Flashpoint changed a lot but COIE arguably changed even more and yes, people were fucking mad about Crisis for years
>Will DC ever recover its fanbase?
No. New 52 was suicide. They'll never be relevant again.
>How long did it take for people to accept Post-Crisis DC?
Instantly, because it was a continuity reboot and not a *character* reboot, so it was the same comics just with a different history. And I'm old enough to say this for certain. Their sales instantly went up and STAYED up. The New 52 sales boost literally lasted 2 months.
Yeah he seemed to have heaps going on in his opening Aquaman Issues so I was surprised to see that it went to shit. Haven't read any of this Bunn guy yet. How long is his run?
>Instantly, because it was a continuity reboot and not a *character* reboot, so it was the same comics just with a different history. And I'm old enough to say this for certain. Their sales instantly went up and STAYED up. The New 52 sales boost literally lasted 2 months
You know that a bunch of oldfags actually contradicted everything you said right ?
I don't think the comics and show need to line up.
Rather, more people are going to be looking up the Flash due to the TV show, having a dud creative team means you are pissing away potential new readers.
DC has never had brand synergy, and for the most part that's a good thing.
Just look at Marvel's attempts at creating synergy between its movies and comics—hell, its movies and TV shows, which are meant to be in the same universe entirely.
I'm saying I don't want synergy. I just want a decent writing team and you would think the shows success would make DC push for that.
Instead, people who watch the show and turn to comics are told to read the first 4 Volumes of New 52 Flash and then hit the brakes.
Feel free to look at Comichron for sales and see that they did gain quite a lot of new readers or at least old readers buying more titles.
Or just keep shitposting, whatevers fine.
>Sales are higher than they've been in years.
Meaningless statement. "In years" is the Nu52 time. If you had said "in decades" you might have had something, but that would have been a lie, now wouldn't it?
The New 52 did gain readers at first. So I'd say that the initial launch was a success. But let's compare a few things...
This is Superman during the World of New Krypton storyline:
05/2009: Superman #688 -- 41,642 (- 3.3%)
06/2009: Superman #689 -- 40,366 (- 3.1%)
07/2009: Superman #690 -- 39,472 (- 2.2%)
08/2009: Superman #691 -- 39,106 (- 0.9%)
09/2009: Superman #692 -- 37,695 (- 3.6%)
10/2009: Superman #693 -- 35,395 (- 6.1%)
11/2009: Superman #694 -- 34,430 (- 2.7%)
12/2009: Superman #695 -- 32,482 (- 5.7%)
01/2010: Superman #696 -- 31,940 (- 1.7%)
This is Superman during the Grounded storyline:
10/2010: Superman #703 -- 50,460 (+ 0.9%)
10/2010: Superman #704 -- 46,741 (- 7.4%)
11/2010: Superman #705 -- 46,261 (- 1.0%)
12/2010: Superman #706 -- 43,027 (- 7.0%)
01/2011: Superman #707 -- 41,843 (- 2.8%)
02/2011: Superman #708 -- 40,639 (- 2.9%)
03/2011: Superman #709 -- 39,846 (- 2.0%)
04/2011: Superman #710 -- 39,644 (- 0.5%)
05/2011: Superman #711 -- 38,471 (- 3.0%)
06/2011: Superman #712 -- 37,362 (- 2.9%)
07/2011: Superman #713 -- 36,646 (- 1.9%)
08/2011: Superman #714 -- 35,919 (- 2.0%)
This is the first year of New 52 Superman:
09/2011: Superman #1 -- 131,529 (+266.2%) [150,128]
10/2011: Superman #2 -- 104,703 (- 20.4%)
11/2011: Superman #3 -- 86,386 (- 17.5%)
12/2011: Superman #4 -- 76,532 (- 11.4%)
01/2012: Superman #5 -- 73,719 (- 3.7%)
02/2012: Superman #6 -- 69,633 (- 5.5%)
03/2012: Superman #7 -- 66,588 (- 4.4%)
04/2012: Superman #8 -- 64,486 (- 3.2%)
05/2012: Superman #9 -- 62,232 (- 3.5%)
06/2012: Superman #10 -- 59,081 (- 5.1%)
07/2012: Superman #11 -- 56,066 (- 5.1%)
08/2012: Superman #12 -- 53,326 (- 4.9%)
This is Post-Villains Month Superman:
10/2013: Superman #24 -- 39,580 (- 33.8%)
11/2013: Superman #25 -- 39,295 (- 0.7%)
12/2013: Superman #26 -- 36,877 (- 6.2%)
01/2014: Superman #27 -- 35,266 (- 4.4%)
02/2014: Superman #28 -- 34,296 (- 2.8%)
03/2014: Superman #29 -- 33,633 (- 1.9%)
Pre-Convergence Superman (this would be around the time Geoff Johns was on the book):
03/2014: Superman #29 -- 33,633 (- 1.9%)
04/2014: Superman #30 -- 37,316 (+ 11.0%)
05/2014: Superman #31 -- 40,534 (+ 8.6%)
06/2014: Superman #32 -- 89,140 (+155.4%) [103,508]
07/2014: Superman #33 -- 62,998 (- 39.1%)
08/2014: Superman #34 -- 56,568 (- 10.2%)
09/2014: Futures End #1 -- 77,949 (+ 37.8%)
10/2014: Superman #35 -- 53,692 (- 31.1%)
11/2014: Superman #36 -- 52,272 (- 2.6%)
12/2014: Superman #37 -- 50,383 (- 3.6%)
02/2015: Superman #38 -- 48,987 (- 2.8%)
03/2015: Superman #39 -- 50,260 (+ 2.6%)
06/2015: Superman #41 -- 53,393 (+ 1.4%)
07/2015: Superman #42 -- 46,691 (- 12.6%)
08/2015: Superman #43 -- 49,825 (+ 6.7%)
09/2015: Superman #44 -- 43,921 (- 11.8%)
10/2015: Superman #45 -- 42,693 (- 2.8%)
World of New Krypton era Action:
01/2009: Action Comics #873 -- 51,940 (- 9.2%)
02/2009: Action Comics #874 -- 48,360 (- 6.9%)
03/2009: Action Comics #875 -- 47,079 (- 2.7%)
04/2009: Action Comics #876 -- 43,368 (- 7.9%)
05/2009: Action Comics #877 -- 41,772 (- 3.7%)
06/2009: Action Comics #878 -- 40,011 (- 4.2%)
07/2009: Action Comics #879 -- 38,324 (- 4.2%)
08/2009: Action Comics #880 -- 37,588 (- 1.9%)
09/2009: Action Comics #881 -- 36,183 (- 3.7%)
10/2009: Action Comics #882 -- 34,754 (- 4.0%)
11/2009: Action Comics #883 -- 33,386 (- 3.9%)
12/2009: Action Comics #884 -- 31,873 (- 4.5%)
01/2010: Action Comics #885 -- 30,678 (- 3.8%)
08/2010: Action Comics #892 -- 36,401 (+ 3.0%)
09/2010: Action Comics #893 -- 33,948 (- 6.7%)
10/2010: Action Comics #894 -- 42,291 (+24.6%)
11/2010: Action Comics #895 -- 33,089 (-21.8%)
12/2010: Action Comics #896 -- 32,357 (- 2.2%)
01/2011: Action Comics #897 -- 32,134 (- 0.7%)
02/2011: Action Comics #898 -- 31,935 (- 0.6%)
03/2011: Action Comics #899 -- 31,808 (- 0.4%)
04/2011: Action Comics #900 -- 60,152 (+89.1%) [73,004]
05/2011: Action Comics #901 -- 44,143 (-26.6%)
06/2011: Action Comics #902 -- 41,960 (- 5.0%)
07/2011: Action Comics #903 -- 40,205 (- 4.2%)
08/2011: Action Comics #904 -- 39,323 (- 2.2%)
New 52 Action Comics:
09/2011: Action Comics #1 -- 182,748 (+364.7%) [200,947]
10/2011: Action Comics #2 -- 153,855 (- 15.8%)
11/2011: Action Comics #3 -- 134,875 (- 12.3%)
12/2011: Action Comics #4 -- 112,839 (- 16.3%)
01/2012: Action Comics #5 -- 109,350 (- 3.1%)
02/2012: Action Comics #6 -- 96,592 (- 11.7%)
03/2012: Action Comics #7 -- 91,822 (- 4.9%)
04/2012: Action Comics #8 -- 87,980 (- 4.2%)
05/2012: Action Comics #9 -- 88,796 (+ 0.9%)
06/2012: Action Comics #10 -- 80,751 (- 9.1%)
07/2012: Action Comics #11 -- 76,232 (- 5.6%)
08/2012: Action Comics #12 -- 71,203 (- 6.6%)
Post-Villains Month Action
10/2013: Action Comics #24 -- 39,620 (- 23.5%)
11/2013: Action Comics #25 -- 46,550 (+ 17.5%)
12/2013: Action Comics #26 -- 37,489 (- 19.5%)
01/2014: Action Comics #27 -- 36,042 (- 3.9%)
02/2014: Action Comics #28 -- 35,305 (- 2.0%)
03/2014: Action Comics #29 -- 34,231 (- 3.0%)
04/2014: Action Comics #30 -- 37,809 (+ 10.5%)
05/2014: Action Comics #31 -- 41,081 (+ 8.7%)
06/2014: Action Comics #32 -- 55,400 (+ 34.9%)
07/2014: Action Comics #33 -- 49,457 (- 10.7%)
08/2014: Action Comics #34 -- 46,746 (- 5.5%)
09/2014: Futures End #1 -- 74,497 (+ 59.4%)
10/2014: Action Comics #35 -- 45,152 (- 39.4%)
11/2014: Action Comics #36 -- 41,835 (- 7.3%)
12/2014: Action Comics #37 -- 39,168 (- 6.4%)
01/2015: Action Comics #38 -- 35,018 (- 10.6%)
02/2015: Action Comics #39 -- 38,070 (+ 8.7%)
03/2015: Action Comics #40 -- 38,216 (+ 0.4%)
06/2015: Action Comics #41 -- 44,083 (+ 15.4%)
07/2015: Action Comics #42 -- 37,956 (- 13.9%)
08/2015: Action Comics #43 -- 41,883 (+ 10.3%)
09/2015: Action Comics #44 -- 37,927 (- 9.4%)
10/2015: Action Comics #45 -- 36,560 (- 3.6%)