Lets have a Superman thread /co/, what are your favourite runs? Stories? Animations? Movies? Writers? Artists?
Lets talk supes!
Thread theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HrFrAspWF8
Flashpoint Paradox is so hopelessly edgy it makes me feel sad for supes
>Crash lands on an alien planet after Krypton blows up
>The asshole human government locks him in a lead cell full of bright light making him anorexic and weak
What the fuck was up with the writing team that day? Does someone have a massive hate boner for Supes?
I love TAS growing up. DCAU's og supes is probably my favorite Superman, if not one of my favorite super heroes in general. The only comics I've read were Doomsday and All Star, and I must admit to being disappointed with both. All Star > Doomsday for sure, but it was still pretty "okay," by my opinion. I read All Star because people seem to point to it as quintessential Superman, and Doomsday because I saw it on sale for $8 and thought, "it was chosen to be animated; surely it's good..."
What are other trades I should try? Collections are good too; if it's a classic/staple era/run.
Plus I kind of scorn All Star because anyone who wants to argue that Superman is OP will usually point to it and gloss over that whole thing about him being super-charged to the point that it was slowly killing him.
> Man of Steel (2013)
> Mix of the MOS & BVS suits, use the stronger colors and engravings of bvs, but the round buckle of mos.
> Lee Bermejo
While Morrison and Waid are the GOAT besides the classic creatives, the best canon Supes remains Johns/Donner/Busiek/Gates/Woods era. (disregarding later New Krypton and Reing of the Doomsdays)
Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes and Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds ftw.
Always inspires me to help people
I feel like 1988 Ruby Spears Superman doesn't get nearly enough recognition, especially for the super baby bumpers.
Which I can't find a clip of so here's the intro and Wonder Woman
You mean whoever wrote this?
And this :(
Fuck it I'll post these too
True, there was a billion better ways to use Supes' parents and they choose one with the emotional impact of a brick
Adventures of Superman by Ron Marz & Doc Shaner based on Iron Giant is awesome
Could someone explain to me the pull of Superman? Why is he so interesting to some/what makes him more than just "guy who can do everything?"
Anyone inspired by Supes yet to start the new year with all your best? I am.
Serect Identity & For All Seasons
To me, it's cuz he can do anything, but he chooses instead to stick his neck out helping people.
Also this is all I have of Supes in my folder, it was a pleasure posting
If you like the DCAU, you should check out the Superman Adventures books which are the comics put out to accompany TAS. I don't think it's in trades, however, but you can find it on a variety of sites for download.
There's a batch of collections of the Silver Age and Golden Age stories in a variety of way, some of the GA stuff is pretty different from TAS but not the SA stuff, so it really depends. Collected Editions blog spot is a good source for reviews of trades as is the Superman Homepage.
Ah, All Star.
I think this divides people who can get emotional over a scene like this, which is probably the fan who have some connection to this type (Silver Age/Reevesverse/iconic role model) of idea of Superman and the reader/fan who wants a superhero/cape story.
The Flowers for Bizarro story and the art related one are also really good. These stories are collected in three trades that you can get in print or digital and are over-all solid to really great.
It's just not as classic (and considering they had more access to more modern tech to produce), they don't stand up as well as the The Fleischer Studios ones.
That's one of my favorite images - I am not too fond of the art on him here, though.
Superman and the LoSH is actually a great story and proof that, at one point in time, the Cereal King really had a good imagination and a way of bending and using the existing mythos with whatever current story he (and DC) wanted to tell, something he doesn't quite mange as well since around Blackest Night.
I'm not a fan with the forced relationship, even if it was only a few panels, but the Convergence Superboy and the LoSH's also had a lot of heartfelt moments.
Yeah, and I wasn't sure why that, versus someone who might make more sense, or even simply not to include it -- or just make it a tight friendship/trust versus the romance potential.
I can't stand the opening title credit music, it just dates that show way more than the art ever could. But the episode where Brainy dreams about Superboy is just so Fractured Fairy Tales.
For the Man Who Has Everything is probably my favorite Superman story and will probably remain that.
I also really enjoy the take on the character in DKR and DK2 even though it is a very a-typical one.
This one is probably something that got improved up by being animated >>78573134
, it streamlined the story a bit. Although I am sorry that they cut out Jason or didn't replace him with Dick (most people would not have known it should/would have been Jason).
I can't wait for batfags to get absolutely BTFO by Supes in 2 months.
I really liked this scene. It shows what superheroes should all be about; even if their quest is futile, they should at least try.
Is the character of Superman deminished by being an alien?
He's not a man at all, so how can he really represent the best a man can be? How can he inspire us to greatness?
What if he looked nothing like a human? It's really a pretty big coincidence that he does, when you look at the green lantern aliens and see that, aside from kryptonians, really no other aliens look remotely like humans.
If he looked like a giant bug would we still be able to look up to him as something to achieve?
>so how can he really represent the best a man can be?
he has great power. he strives to use that power for the betterment of mankind rather than for selfish gain. His being an alien does not diminish his altruism.
That's a very Luthor way of thinking. That the origin of a being is the end all be all of their entire existence.
The message has always been "inspiration through action." A compassionate hand offered in a time of need, a shield in a time of danger, hope when there is nothing but darkness.
If a kind being sought to offer their incredible gifts to the entire species without need of payment or worship or servitude, could we as a species look past their outward appearance and focus only on the good that's there?
That's the real question, can we be more than we are and accept that good can come from anyone, anywhere, anytime, regardless?
Yeah, there's just so many good variations on Jonathan and Martha and Clark's upbringing; on how that provides his moral center and certainty in himself that was missing in large chunks of MoS and are missing in many other stories they are trying to tell in the past few years.
Superman's alien origin was an extrapolation of the immigrant experience. Many children of the 30's were transplanted into the US themselves, a brand new country may as well be an alien planet when you're that young. So is it still relevant?
A child from one world, raised by another's culture, trying to understand his place in the latter and rediscover the meaning of the former. You're goddamn right that's still relevant.
There was so little to really like in this run, that some of this stuff really stands out.
Have to go walk the dog, he's giving me the death glare, but what is this from? You've actually pulled out something that stumped me.
You've gotten better answers, but here >>78575269 you are pointed to the crux of much of this: can we look past outward appearance and focus only on the good? That's a very basic question and just think that we arrive at it from reading a comic book. That is in the inherent value of Superman.
>mfw I had no idea Superman had a cartoon in the eighties until this very moment
I always thought Lois and Clark was the first TV adaptation of post-COIE Supes.
My mind is blown.
we need more golden age style supes in this thread
Anyone remember that one page where superman is looking at a computer of all the people who had died?
And he felt really guilty about all the people he couldn't save.
What run was that from? I can't remember and it's killing me.
hmmm, imagine a superhero that is genuinly good and from there on spiral ideas what that superhero would do and keep drawing comics of those ideas for the next 80 years...
Its a bit of a boring idea but in this age of necksnapping and killing millions to save billions its kind of unique to see a hero that legitimately saves people.
I would also argue that Superman constantly inspires people to be better than themselves but that is a discussion for another thread
STAS, although there's not a whole lot of good one sot choose from
Man of Steel
I know I have shit taste, but I just like seeing Superman getting some worthy fight scenes and that scene where he destroys the world engine is Superman af
Johns maybe? I don't know, I am a shitty comic book fan so I'm not all caught up on writer names
Aaron fucking Kuder, nigger
Secret Identity > Birthright > For All Seasons > Man Who Has Everything > Lex Luthor: MoS
Man of Steel
Geoff Johns. My top five stories are non-Geoff Johns, but Johns has written a lot of Superman and all of it is consistently great.
It's hard for me to love the curren iteration of Superman... It just feels like they're trying to whittle out all the things that made him human, relatable, an at heart down to earth kinda guy who happens to become embroiled in cosmic level events.
Is there anything I can do beside retreat into the old books? Has new Superman any of those moments I can look to?
Byrnes run is the GOAT run for me, great golden age stuff with some silver age elements made the definitive modern superman.
In johns run I missed superman fucking with thugs by scaring the shit out of them
Anybody read this? It's bretty gud.
I think Pak's Action Comics has a lot of those moments, and Johns' Superman did too
I really, really liked the first few issues of Pak's Truth stuff but boy did that go horribly off the rails
Also I liked that he was pretty pumped to do regular human stuff that he didn't normally get to experience, like eating a burrito or drinking with his JL buddies
I recently rewatched all the live action Superman films and I would rank them in descending order of quality and personal enjoyment thusly:
1. Man of Steel
2. Superman Returns
4. Superman II (Donner cut)
5. Superman II (Lester cut)
6. Superman III
7. Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
If I were to include Supergirl I'd probably rank it above Superman IV.
I know people on this board have mentioned Joe Kelly's work and Joe Casey's Superman stories as being great for the character.
Does anyone remember Steven Seagle's Superman run? I don't remember much from it. I have to find it in my stash and dust it off to re-read it, but I remember liking it. Anyone else?
If they remade the Superman vs Muhammad Ali story for the 21st century, who would Superman fight?
Nobody ever posts the best Supes theme.
I watched the whole series and really enjoyed myself. Clark was so fucking dorky and cute, the baby/flash back moments were top tier and the writing wasn't bad at all. It's sad it's a relatively unknown show but at least it was something.
My favourite runs are the original Siegel-Shuster and the Byrne-Superman council one.
As for stories, my favourite are Whats so funny..., All-star,Grounded-Red Son,Earth 1, Peace on Earth out of the top of my head.
>Why is he so interesting to some/what makes him more than just "guy who can do everything?"
Well, for starters, he can;t do everything as anyone who actually read a superman book can attest to.
And I like him because he has the best morals which, in good recent stories, are faced with the actual shit we have to deal with and how he deals with the dillema, even if he fails and resorts to killing like in the 90s or MoS is interesting. Also, how it shows how important upbringing is. He's not Super for being an alien with superpowers, he's super because of the values thaught to him by hard working righteous parents.
His rivalry with Luthor is also interesting since its the kind of rivalry where you sort of support both sides. Personally, I think humans should estimate ourselves higher than we do, so I can sort of relate to Luthor ( even if, of course, I prefer Superman to win since he's the right one n the end).
And when handled well, he can have good scifi stories.
Him being bro with Batman and not reusing villains as much as other heroes (save for Luthor) are plusses too. Specially since I dont really like most of his usual villain gallery aside from Lex.
Some blessed, beautiful anon was storytiming Secret Identity a few weeks (read: more like months probably) back and I wound up not getting to read all of it. Is that anon still here, willing to storytime? Does anyone else have it?
>tfw I'm a cop and I do this
Hope it works if the time comes.
Does anybody have that single panel where Superman's talking to Lana or Lois or somebody, about how Lex Luthor left Earth to be a space pirate, and then tries to get them to put on gravity boots?
It's more relevant than ever. People seem to be forgetting that lesson these days.
Also, this is probably my favorite Superman page from the last few years
Imagine if instead of Pre-Convergence Superman, they brought Silver Age Superman to the New 52 universe and he was just this absurdly overpowered eccentric getting into wacky adventures.
>Clark Kent©®™ AKA Kal-El©®™, Superman©®™, created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster meets Bruce Wayne©®™ AKA Batman©®™, created by Bill Finger and Bob Kane
>I Love bringing DC Comic Book Superheroes©®™ Together!
>This Kal-El©®™ Man of Steel©®™ Superman©®™ Has A Good Grip!
>You Should Not Pick a BATMAN v. SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE©®™ with this person
>Oh! MMMM! BOYS!?!©®™
What on earth did he mean by this?
>Nu52 Clark has to do something in space for a week and asks Silver Age Supes to cover for him at work
>Supes spends the work week messing with Lois's head and giving Jimmy random superpowers
Just saw these. The Superman and Aquaman figures are just too darling to pass up.
I've found it. Hiding in the depths of my hard drive.
Superman: All in a days work.
Superman can do anything, literally anything, but this really shows that he can't do everything.
>but this really shows that he can't do everything.
He will never stop trying to, though.
Here. Apologies for the memeshit, I couldn't find a version without.
I've also only read All Star as well as some stuff from the 75th Anniversary book but All Star sold me on it after the first few issues. About to start reading the Brainiac trade by Geoff Johns. More interested in Kelly's run but I am utterly lost on how to read his run even after realizing you have to read other writers and books. Never ask but if someone has a download link for that I'd be so eternally grateful.
Would anybody happen to have this whole comic?
Clark is a vegetarian in Superman: Birthright. <3
That stuff about seeing souls is awesome and I'm glad it's come up a few other times too.
> Pic not really related, unless you can see the dbz fans and their anguished, buttblasted souls.
I really see no problem with it. It's not like he's shitting on people who eat meat it's just that the man has so much compassion and empathy in his heart that he won't even eat meat. Why can't you be more like Captain America, anon?
Probably when I was little from the Donner movies although I had probably read at least one comic book beforehand. My mom was really cool and she had a group of other mothers she traded with - so they swapped romance or western novels for themselves/husbands and comics for the kids. I read comics my entire life and never hit a store until college.
You need to read the Ron Marz story from the same run and the next to last (Strange Visitor). Those have some of my favorite pages.
What would you do if you suddenly realized you had the powers of Superman? What if it was just generic flying brick powers? This is something I've honestly thought about.
If the power set included super-hearing, then I would probably be traumatized by being forced to witness all the violence and suffering in the world that never ever stops no matter what I do. Seems like it would be torture, enough to make me give up on this rotten planet altogether, or become so desensitized that I risk turning evil.
If it was just invulnerability, super strength and subsonic flight, I don't imagine myself having the drive to be a proper superhero. I'm too apathetic to fight for truth and justice all the time, even if I'm in no real danger.
More likely I'd make money putting satellites into orbit or some other neutral path. I could occasionally be convinced to fight unusual things that no one else can handle, and from there I might have character development, but I definitely would not start out fighting street crime.
The Man of Steel Superman was NOT the Superman you know.
It was Clark Kent wearing the Superman suit. He had only been superman for about a month or so before Zod came.
Batman vs Superman Supes should be closer to the Supes we know and love.
I don't even remember.
It's like he's always just been there, as far back as I can recall.
This was one of the earliest memories I have though:
Had this book and the tape that went with it. Definitely the first time I ever saw GL, Firestorm and Martian Manhunter.
>Do good to all men, and every man can be a superman.
For me, it's the fact that I can sort of identify with him. Separate the Super and the Man for a while - Bruce Wayne is a genius billionaire without any parents who sleeps with criminals, Tony Stark is a genius man-slut billionaire with a drinking problem, Diana Prince and Thor are fish-out-of-water royalty, Peter Parker is an orphan kid with severe guilt issues and absolutely no time. Clark Kent is a country boy with a job he loves, married to a coworker, with a pair of loving parents who wants to help people, not because of some mission or complex, but because he was raised to believe it's the right thing to do. He uses his considerable powers, with which he could cause great harm, to help people, and worries if he does too much with them or too little.
My parents aren't dead, they're both very loving, and I enjoy helping people because I was raised to think it's the right thing to do. I also enjoy it greatly. I'm not as powerful as a locomotive, I'm not faster than a speeding bullet, I can't leap tall buildings in a single bound. I am, however, quite funny, a decent actor, a good friend (I'd like to think), and I can pour a damn good pint. I try to use these abilities to help others as best I can. I sometimes worry about not helping my friends out enough, or about being overbearing. it's not the same of course, but as Grant Morrison said
>Superman is a metaphor. For me, Superman has the same problems we do, but on a Paul Bunyan scale. If Superman walks the dog, he walks it around the asteroid belt because it can fly in space. When Superman’s relatives visit, they come from the 31st century and bring some hellish monster conqueror from the future. But it’s still a story about your relatives visiting.
tl;dr: he's a normie everyman on a much grander scale. At least for me, anyway.
Uploading Earth Q pages from All-Star Superman.
This page only has one panel of it sorry.
Shit forgot a page sorry it's like 6 AM.
Just saw this, assumed this thread had died. Let me look around. And are you still around?
>gloss over that whole thing about him being super-charged to the point that it was slowly killing him
Although Nu52 Supes has already out benched him while being totally fine.
That said, Red Son and Kingdom Come are a couple favorites of mine. If you can, try finding "What Wrong with Truth, Justice and the American Way?". It's just a 1 off thing but it's certainly quite nicely done.
How about favourite shields? Personally I love the "Man of Steel" shield. The flow of the design and the fact that it harkens back to a 1941 design while being more steamlined.
So what do you think? Real? Fake?
Obviously fake but eh, its worth the discussion
It's not bad but this is still the best emblem. What's wrong with MOS suit are cape and colors. The cape is too long, it should never touch the ground when he's standing straight, and the colors are too dim.
WHAT THE FUCK WHAT IS THIS EDGY GARBAGE
Superman would NEVER approve of building a weapon of mass destruction, not even as a toy. WHo ever drew this should be fucking hanged because they clearly don't understand Superman.
The BvS colours seem more vivid, especially the gold backing. I'm not certain about the Kryptonian script though. I think it's an unnecessary flourish.
I remember when /co/ had a long discussion about which one would be a better waifu, Superman or Goku.
Best VS power level thread that I ever saw.