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Can we play a game of "Let's Google Image Search for the pictures that Greg Land obviously traced from"? There's plenty of documentation of the obvious, confirmed examples but it's so fucking easy to find more.

Example: Saw this in Spider-Woman #2. I GIS'd "sad kid", it's the fifth result.
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Don't you realize Greg land is a actually a genius?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XwSJ3EHpBs0

Skip to 9:07
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>>69410501
Is this a bate?
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>>69410501

What the hell is this?
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>>69410417
His Venom in Spider-Woman #3 is just the kotobukiya Venom statue.
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>>69410598

So it is!

I wouldn't even mind this lazy shit if the art didn't look awful as a result. But it's just terrible, everything looks slightly wrong and it's uncanny.
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>>69410501

he is basically THAT guy of /co/
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>>69410501

oh god it's some nerd trying to act like a tough guy

cringeworthy
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>>69410751
If i were drawing a character of which there were detailed statues available I would probably use one as reference as well.
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>>69410417
What I want to know is why Land can't draw women with hips, thighs or a decent ass.

Surely there must be porn out there for him to trace that has that.
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Is tracing ok in the industry? How does he still have a job?
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>>69411085
as long as you hit deadlines you can do whatever you want
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>drawing from reference: just a generally good idea
>drawing from reference too well: crime of the century
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I wrote "Butler stock" in Google and found the picture he used for this Butler drawing.
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>>69411292
There's a difference between drawing and blatantly tracing which absolutely anyone can do. Idiot.
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>>69412005
Hey, if Marvel wants their comics more similar to the movies, Greg's their guy.
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>>69411292
>not understanding the difference between referencing and literal tracing
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>>69411292
Because you gotta be blind to think Land's art is "drawn from reference well"
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>>69411292
There is a difference between drawing well and Greg Land. One gives great art, the other gives out of context porn faces and uncanny smiles that don't match what the characters are saying.
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>>69411084
He hates black pornstars. Simple as that.
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>>69412021
Land would make bank on those MCU comics they release occasionally.
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>>69410501
oh wow that is NOT how I pictured him looking OR acting. I thought he'd be more of a Liefeld type meathead guy.
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>>69411197

Oh ok.
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The most insulting part is he doesn't even search that deep. He always takes the first image almost every time.
>>69410417
It was the first result when I looked it up the first time.
Mighty Avenger's climax with the old lady?
Search Grumpy old lady
Surprise surprise result 1.

Being lazy is bad but at least he could put some work into his laziness.
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>>69410783
That's the "listens to so much metal he thinks he'll look badass if he dresses like Lemmy" nerd
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>>69412122
uh, the long hair guy isn't Land. you only see one photo of him and he kinda does look meatheadish. or maybe just fat.
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Can anyone find the picture he traced for this?
I went from Throne -> Riddick Throne -> Loki Throne -> Iron Man 3 Mandarin
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>>69411051
Using reference is not the same as copying a photo.
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>>69412304
Try Ultron? Kang? Metron? The pose does look familiar, and I'm sure its "supposed" to be an homage to something.
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>>69411805
Jesus fucking Christ, Greg.
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>>69411292
Using references as bones is good but you have to hang your own flesh. Greg just grabs the whole carcass.
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>>69412304
Black Bolt.
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>>69412381
Usually I'd associate that pose with Magneto, though not sure if that is the original source
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>>69412304
Skyrim
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>>69411805
that little table thats supposed to be a tray has a really cool center of mass
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>>69410501
accidental cringe thread
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>>69412381
>>69412528
Check Game of Thrones pictures, looks like the iron throne to me
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>>69412799
>woman coughing in google
>nothing
well this is weird.
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>>69411292
>clearly not an artist

He's literally tracing.
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>>69412867
Anon, that bulge in her mouth is supposed to be a wee wee
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>>69412192
I doubt he can grow facial hair.
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>>69411292
Yeah, people here would probably bitch about landscape paintings because the artist "traced it".
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How do you swipes like this?

Just have a photo reference ? Or somehow put the photo under the paper you're drawing on and have a light project from the underneath?
Or project the photo onto a paper and trace it that way?

Comic book paper is pretty thick. Would be hard to trace through it.

Or is it all computers with no pencil and ink on real paper ?
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>>69412949
Landscape paintings and sequential comic book art are in now way the same thing. Are you fucking dense?
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>>69410501

Razorfist is a contrarian with a superiority complex.

>you like this thing? You're just a dumb, fanboy nerd! *image of a fat nerd on screen*

So who uses google images more: him or Land?
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>>69412976
Finishing "Drawing on the right side of the brain" is enough for anyone to copy any picture by eye.
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>>69412949
Landscape artists don't "trace". They can't. Or, well, couldn't before the age of cameras. They used their own sketches, imagination, and knowledge because Earth doesn't like artists enough to stop moving for a few hours for them.

But many landscape artists absolutely do trace nowadays.
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>>69412976
>Comic book paper is pretty thick. Would be hard to trace through it.

Are you joking?
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>>69412949
>Non-artists trying to out retard each other.
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>>69413089
>Guy stares at something
>Draws everything exactly as it is
Same fucking shit.
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In this thread non artists confused about how artists draw and their ignorance leads to false arrogance.
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>people defend greg land saying he has to trace to meet deadlines
>meanwhile moebius and eisner could draw perfectly off the cuff
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>>69412304
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>>69413259
Oh so you DON'T know what tracing is.
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>>69413259
But it isn't, you fucking idiot. A landscape artist doesn't just draws what he sees, he adds to it and removes, plays with color balance and so on. A landscape painting is not just a substitute for a photograph.
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>>69413338
Not even close
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>>69413259
Holy shit are you Greg Land?
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Even Michelangelo used models for all of his art you stupid, stupid fucks.
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>>69413067
I hear he can draw pretty decently though
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>>69413279
>Literally having to either trace or make a carbon copy reference drawing to draw people in your comics.
Wow fucking non-artists don't get it.
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>>69413378
There's a pretty big difference between modelling and tracing, just sayin'.
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>>69413359
Except for the part where it is.
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>>69413378
>not knowing the difference between reference and tracing

Holy fuck you're stupid.
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>>69413259
So what you're saying is drawing = tracing? So you're retarded and need a dictionary.
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>>69413378
Do you honestly not see the difference between drawing from life and tracing someone's work? Are you for real?
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>>69413378
It's not about using models you stupid, stupid fuck. And I don't know why you insist on equating commercial comic art to life-model art and landscape paintings.

But I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point so whatever.
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>>69413378
Yes but he turned his reference sketches into something more than a copy/paste collage
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>>69413426
MTG was my first hunch too, but I don't think that's it.
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>>69413378
I bet you're one of those people who thinks there's a literal 'animation' button on your computer to make cartoons.
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>>69413501
...There isn't?
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>>69411292
If you're trying to say fans should accept it when people trace as lazily as Land does then I'd go so far as to say you're one of his relatives.
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>>69412186
>He always takes the first image almost every time.
This is probably what I hate the most too.
Anyone got that evidence for the "punk girl" that Bum Tickley drew in CAD a few years ago?
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>>69413499
>>69413426
>>69413338
Well, he made some changes to the pose (which all happen to look unnatural)
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>>69413501
There isn't?

EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE
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>>69413259
You're pretty fucking stupid if you think it's the same thing. Land doesn't just trace like a few artists have done. He somehow manages to trace BADLY. Character faces don't match up with dialogue, he recycles the same shit to meet deadlines, he pulls images off of the easiest results on google.

It barely qualifies as work.
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>pay Greg money to make covers
>get these in return
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>ITT: Greg Land tries to prove he doesn't trace
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>>69413390
He has his own deviantart.
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>Take art class
>Draw what you see
>Draw what you see
>DRAW WHAT YOU SEE
Being an artist is in no way special, the difference is that an experienced artist combines shit they've seen and knowledge of how shit works to make new works.

I would get it if people were just complaining that this asshole's art is shit, uninspired, non-creative or anything. But calling it a "trace" is just stupid. Any artist who spent any amount of time drawing doesn't need to trace, they can just copy it by eye (Much faster than it would take to trace over the lines with thin paper or on a program). Which is not the same as tracing, despite similar results.
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>>69413645
>But calling it a "trace" is just stupid

But Land literally DOES trace.
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>>69413678
[citation needed]
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>>69412304
Conan?
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>>69413645
The thing about Greg Land is that you can put his drawing and the picture he traced over each other on Photoshop and see that the lines match. It's different to look at a photo and take a pose from it and copying it line to line.
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>>69413645
My little anon can't be this retarded. When you draw from life, you pick the right pose, angle, lighting, composition. Being able to draw well will not make you a good artist without the skills to combine these into something coherent. If you google a photo, or stop a movie, it doesn't matter whether you actually trace or not, other's have already done the hard part of the work for you. You are stealing their art.
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>>69413761
Also Greg Land's artwork looks stiff as shit because he can't do gestures. He just traces pictures and by doing so his drawings lose the motion.
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>>69412304
It's from a promo standee for game of thrones. I can't find the picture on google, but i used to see it when going to pay my cable bills at the company's office.
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>>69412186
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>Retards who aren't artists try to tell people that Land's tracing is just "using references"
No. Observational drawing is fine and working from a model is fine for professional work--and hell, yes, even tracing can be fine IF IT'S FOR PRACTICE AND STUDIES. It is not okay for work you intend to sell, or professional work. There is a huge difference between copy+pasting an image and drawing over it and using a photo to reference from; just as an example, you usually want more than one reference to work with, not just one.

>>69413733
>Citation needed
You stupid motherfucker.

>http://pastebin.com/TXfuZkaQ
You click this link, you click it right now. In fact, everyone in this thread should.
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>>69413783
>Being able to draw well will not make you a good artist without the skills to combine these into something coherent.
>Agreeing with the post while acting like you don't.
Truly, the best of bait.
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>>69413279
Responding to non-artists is arrogance in itself.
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>>69412304
This is pretty close, though not the same/
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>>69410501
fuck, i gave your shitty video a view. youre welcome. ya cunt.
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>>69413378
Can I be a comic book artist now?
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>>69414308
Your lines are too shit, get cleaner lines with varying weights first.

>Anon is so shit at art, he can't even trace.
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>>69413645
His traces are literally line for line, you can superimpose his work over the original and it completely fits, that's not "drawing from the eye"
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>>69414308
Welcome on board.

>>69414344
He doesn't have to, that's the inker's job. Switching to pencil or something lighter is enough.
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>>69413901
But look! SOMEONE had to draw that hand and brick!
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>>69414308
Nice new meme
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>>69414405
It just looks like a lego
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>>69413901
>old lady
>has all her teeth

wut?

>>69413633
>>69413390

Yeah, that's the worst thing, it's not like Leifeld who somehow manages to trace images in a way that's even worse than his free hand stuff, Land CAN draw, he just chooses not to.

And STILL everything takes longer for him to finish than would be really professionally acceptable in any industry other than comic books.
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>>69412304
this looks so familiar but I can't remember
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>>69414722
Same. I'm sure I've seen this exact same pose before, but I just can't put my finger on it.
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>>69412304
looks like vin diesel.
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>>69410417
Jesus christ. He didn't even change the kid's fringe...
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>>69412304
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>>69412304
That's a fairly decent blend of Conan and Arthas, I think. Definitely still borrowed, but I doubt directly traced. Lemme see if I can find the pictures I'm thinking of.
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>>69412867
You need to imagine her hand a bit more open. Almost as if she is holding something. Something that goes into her mouth.
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my favourite
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>>69414937
not even close. A sculpture again, in this case. But I still think mixed with something else. Either Arthas or a Frazetta piece.
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>>69413107
I've seen the paper they use for original Art and it's pretty sturdy. I guess if you had a light source underneath you could get a photo to go through underneath ye page
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>>69413901
>>69414405
>>69414440
guys...
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>>69415036
...t-there's no way that he even traced the...
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>>69415036
you gotta be kidding me...
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>>69415036
>>69415071
ahahahahaha. Okay, now THAT is 'I recognize that bulge!' impressive.
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>>69415036
I really don't know what to say.
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>>69414937
>he's not wearing pants
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>>69415009
>>69412304

Now that I'm back in the thread and found the original again, I'm even more sure I'm right. He got rid of the staff, added more skulls/helmets, changed the degree of slouch slightly, but the overall distance between the characters head and the skull/helmet at the top of the throne remains about the same. About 70% sure the helmets/skulls surrounding the skull throne are borrowed from somewhere at least in terms of position and size, though.
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>>69415036
>>69415127
Actually, it's not even that impressive, it's just sad
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>Come into thread thinking someone is bitching about someone using a model
>Nope, legit tracing
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I'm trying to learn to draw, and I think I'm going to avoid tracing completely if possible. I'll look at a photo to get an idea of how to pose, but I will attempt to put it together myself. Land's route is cheating, in my opinion, and wouldn't truly teach me anything.
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>>69415272
I'm a newbie, shitty 'artist', I've been using Clip Studio Paint. It has a built in model/poser thing that's useful to help get your proportions correct.
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Why is nobody sued Marvel yet for Land's trace work?
You'd think at some point, somebody would start making waves and Marvel would reconsider giving Land so much work based solely on him meeting deadlines.
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The biggest problem for me with Land isn't that he traces. I mean, it's lazy and morally questionable, but at least he's pretty good at it.

The problem is that what he traces almost NEVER fits what the script needs. It's just random poses that he found on Google images or in porn or wherever else.

Also, he reuses the same ones over and over, which is pretty annoying once youve seen enough of his art.
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>be an "artist"
>basically trace everything from in-game screenshots/porn pictures/other peoples work
>change few things like narrowing shoulders/make hips wider/legs shorter/etc.
>no one notices a thing and tells me I am a great artist

pic unrelated
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>>69414308
Looks too much like Frank.
frank/10
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>>69415272
Well, that's nice, but don't be that worried about "cheating". You know, there are many things that some might consider cheating. Some like to montage in photos to help with texture, maybe they paint over it. Some use special brushes for the same thing. And others do it all with a basic brush by hand and a lot of work. Is the first two sort of cheating? Yeah. But it's also perfectly reasonable to do it, because at the end of the day, especially for hobby artists, results are the most important. As long as you are satisfied with the end result, it's okay. Same thing goes for reference photos. If you absolutely can't figure something out on your own, use them. You will improve from the other practice stuff you. But when you are doing a picture, use whatever you have to to get the results you want.
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>>69414560
Land, at his best, was mediocre. Now, what little skill he had has slipped and, without tracing, he can't draw for shit.
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I thought this thread would consist of porn stills.
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>>69415036
screened
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>>69415403
Because, once you change an image by more than 25% it becomes yours. And the coloring in comic tones covers that.
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>>69415848
saved as 'bricks were shat'. Someday I will try to use it in a thread thinking it will be appropriate and be amused at the memory of this day.
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>>69415036
No. Fucking. Way.
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>>69414198
Love Broken Empire series.
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>>69415528
Don't worry. There will be punishment for you in the afterlife.
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>>69415848
Now, the question is - can we find the hands and jaw from the 'Avengers Assemble' pic, because that's traced too.

It might be from porn, because I can't find shit. Or it might be easy and I'm shit.
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>>69416173
He actually used this lady's left hand for both of the hands, just mirrored it. And drew like one finger by himself.
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>>69416173
post the picture I love doing this
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>>69415848
This is good shit I tell you what.
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>>69414798
I think It's a Loki image
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>>69415848
Damn, man. Damn.
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>>69415029
most tables used for hand-drawn animation have a backlight so you can see through to previous frames easier
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>>69416206
you've got to be kidding me
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>>69416206
Oh good. For a second I was starting to worry we might have to watch a decade's worth of NFL games to find it.
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>>69416260
I still say >>69415009
It's almost a perfect match right down to the abs, other than a few tweaks, additions, and changes.
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>>69416330
it could very well be a combination of the ones we've had here. i mean, he does the head point thing that the mtg card does, but the lack of a lowerbody in the mtg reference would mean land has to trace from somewhere else to complete the image.
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>>69410501
This guy makes me mad. I have no words.
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Seriously?
What's next? did he even trace the speachbubbles?
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>>69415036
wow
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>>69412976
Mostly everything is done in computers, some old school guys still do inks on paper. But 99% of colorist work digital.
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>>69416383
speech bubbles are usually done by the letterer or just a computer program
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>>69416383
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>>69416375
Well at least he likes Bendis Daredevil
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>>69415036
He even traced the fucking jacket.
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>>69416383
>>69416485
Now the screencap will be complete.
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>>69416485
>He didn't even mirror the picture himself.
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>>69415848
>>69416206
And still there will be people who defend this.
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Whos the guy who draws the same face on every person?
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>>69416485
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>>69416624
Dillon?
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>>69414980
kek
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>>69412304
kind of like it. Maybe in one of the earlier games?
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>>69416624
Dodson.
Dillon.
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New Spider-woman is out.

First page
>>69415789
>>69406565
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>>69416383
God damn. The way he Frankensteined a single character out of several different pictures creates such an enormous dissonance of body language that everything looks so fucking unreal. If it had been done intentionally, you could argue that it was some sort of pretentious avant-garde piece.
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>>69414980
Hahaha oh wow.
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>>69413901
Holy fuck it's literally the same face 4 times in the span of 2 pages.
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>ITT: artists bitch they don't draw on easy mode
haha you can't even make mad dosh
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>>69414980
Tony's into some kinky shit.
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>>69415683
>Cyclops down at the bottom
call 911 and the police my sides are fleeing the scene
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>>69416697
I could bet that he traced that cover image from some WWE diva picture.
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>>69416783
>ITT: non-artists try to give drawing lessons

And you definitely won't.
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>>69416383
Greg should send half his paycheck to Google, or at least list them as the artist.
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>>69411805
the stock butler looks like jon stewart
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>>69416861
lel go make some mad dosh then, it seems tracing works considering he works for a massive comic book company

git gud scrub
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>mfw this thread
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>>69417034
artists are woefully underpaid unless their name is Alex Ross or John Romita, Jr.
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Thanks for the opportunity to post this again, /co/
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>>69417034
>le funny may may reply u jelly

So do you work the graveyard shift or part time?
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>>69410417
Can someone post some of his porn traces?
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>>69410417
It never ends.
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>>69417088
Ha
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>>69416697
I wrote "waking up woman"
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>>69417088
So does this line up with the actual page or is it just parody?
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It's really fucked up how artists in Japan have had their entire careers completely RUINED just because they dared to copy a simple pose from a photo in a magazine, while Land fills entire comicbooks with the most blatant tracing ever and nobody in the industry gives a single shit.
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>>69417177
The manga industry is much more serious and bigger than the Western comic book industry.
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>>69417177

Yeah Japan's pretty awful
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>>69417177
I like to think it's because they feel bad for him since he has no marketable skills so they just keep putting him on backwater books and pay him a salary so he doesn't end up on the street
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>>69417151
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>>69417151
How did he think picking the one with double-jointed elbows was a good idea? Like if you hadn't found the original I'd have mocked it for being bad anatomy.
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>>69417177
Seriously. We should take a few thousand pictures of attractive women doing stuff, and sue the shit out of them when he traces one.
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>>69417200

It really isn't.

It's bigger than the American one, but when you say "western comic book industry" you're talking about all of it. And that's a lot of shit.

Remember to always use precise language in conversation, because you might rustle autists like myself.
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>>69415379
Yeah, I use a 3D model program to help me out, mostly with proportions/scale/perspective. It's not a substitute for drawing from life and whatnot (and I'd like to get to some non-college life drawing sessions eventually), but it helps. If nothing else, it's a good way to lay groundwork for a picture, and then build off/on top of that with my own style and stuff. Especially since I draw aliens and shit like that, instead of humans. I still have to figure out proportions for things like inhuman arms/legs/etc..

Even then, using 3D models for references (in the proportions/perspective sense) isn't perfect and doesn't replicate life exactly, but since I consider myself a hobby artist, it works for me. (I still always aim to git gud, though)

People like Greg Land make me ashamed to admit this openly, though.
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>>69415976

Me too. How is Prince of Fools?
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>>69414980

Is this real?
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>>69417153
Considering the fact that the people in the picture don't look remotely like each other, I'm pretty sure it's just taking the piss out of Land by taking his habit to its logical extreme.
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>>69417088
i don't get it.
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>>69413901
I tweeted this pic at him
think it'll get a reply?
Think he'll take the hint?
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So the guy "traces" a bunch of meaningless background events, but otherwise seems to have really good art and he's a talentless hack?

Don't you think that's a tad extreme?
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>>69414980
I don't get it
Is this supposed to be a trace from that famous asshole-stretching pic?
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>>69414980
I'm confused, what's this supposed to be? Some bondage shit?
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>>69417374
>otherwise seems to have really good art

No, the art is bad as well as being unoriginal.

>Don't you think that's a tad extreme?

If he wants to be respected as an artist he should learn how to draw.
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>>69417177
Well Japan has higher standards except for maybe their leniency with people using a lot of assistants so it makes sense. In America comics are unfortunately seen as bottom of the barrel entertainment and no one gives a fuck if someone as shitty as Land is getting work
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>>69417374
>meaningless background events
Did you miss every post in this thread? He traces main characters all the time.

I'm not saying he's talentless; he's good at tracing. But it's still a shitty thing to do.
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>>69417425
nobody can be this new
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>>69410417
Can Mike Deodato play too?
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>>69417177
Hell I think some of this is illegal, the pictures he uses seem to be professionally shot pictures, I'm pretty sure some of them are protected as intellectual property, not that it really matters.

To all you anons that read comics is this the standards you guys have for comics? You should boycott anything with this kind of shit, just as a matter of principle it's embarrassing, it tends to have an uncanny valley feel to it and it makes comics look like a joke.
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>>69417416
>that famous asshole-stretching pic
>not knowing its name
>or having it saved

4chan has really gone to the dogs.
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>>69417491
At least it gives me the name "Hopeless Land".
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>>69417491

They do, though. Tom Brevoort, king of Marvel, has publicly defended Land's bullshit.
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>>69417491
>To all you anons that read comics is this the standards you guys have for comics?
CAPE comic readers. They don't care about quality, they just want their fix.
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>>69417483
Oh WOW, you would've thought he'd at least get rid of the top bumps instead of making them blazing orange.

I digress though, if he had actually built a unique model from legos and just used it as a reference, that would at least be pretty novel.
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>>69410501
Too edgy for me.
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>>69417495
idk man i looked up goatse to compare and i dont see it either
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>>69417491
>You should boycott anything with this kind of shit

/co/ doesn't buy many comics in the first place.
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>>69417361
No and no, and his coworkers would defend him
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>>69417374
Dude, just stop. The deliberately obtuse card has been played a gorillion times already. There's no reason to continue this charade.
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>>69417534
Is he really king? Seems more like Vice President of marketing or something. If anything Joe Quesada might qualify wouldn't he?
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>>69417483
OH MY GOD
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>>69417455
I don't really think it's because they have higher standards. But any scandal brings shame to the company, and that's a big no-no. So it's better to force the artist to admit to this shamefur disprey and commit professional sudoku than pretend it's not a big deal. Even if it really isn't.
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>>69417471
Hey I've been here for more years than I care to admit but I didn't get it at first either.
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>>69417374
>but otherwise seems to have really good art
>Greg Land
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>>69417594

Joe Q's position is roughly analogous to Geoff Johns' and Jeph Loeb's. None of them wield direct power over comics.
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>>69417594
It's a triumvirate with those two and Axel Alonso
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>>69417483
WOW
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>>69414308
are those the frank eyes
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>>69417483
Are you fucking shitting me...
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>>69417633
After a quick google image search, I think I agree.
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>>69417632
I've been visiting 4chan on a regular basis since 2004 and I still don't get it...
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I just remember reading The Incal and seeing something traced by Land
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>>69417734
goatse
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I don't have any larocca stuff.

>>69417734
Safesearch off.
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>>69413089
Well, there were some who traced with the help of camera obscuras
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>>69417534
So has anyone checked whether any of the images he's traced are at all copyrighted? Like, for some of these it's well past anything that could be weaseled away as 'parody' or just inspiration or some shit. If you could find and notify a large enough group of photographers or other copyright holders to create a legal shitstorm you might actually be able to do something about Land.
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>>69412304
Black Adam
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>>69417483
This is the type of stuff you just won't accept being actually real, it's so strange

It's on par with a guy i knew that licked peanutbutter straight out of the tin can and cut his tongue
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>>69417483
The worst part is the end of the cannon
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>>69417751
Oh, so it IS goatse after all? That was actually my first thought, but it didn't seem like an outright trace, so I was focusing more on Tony's face.
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>>69417634
I don't think brevoort has much control either though, wouldn't the blame rest on the editors and writers who do bad stories? Maybe the EIC?
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>>69417808
>implying the worst part isn't the lego camera on the back that he didn't change at all
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>>69417779
First off, all pictures - by the very definition of the concept - are copyrighted.

Now, whether or not anyone who owns said copyright has cared enough to pursue it (or has even noticed it) is a different story entirely.
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>>69417483
>all that blatant clipping between the traced model and the added bits

dude's got balls, you gotta give him that
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You fucks are just jelly he manages to stay employed with this tracing.

Stop bitching and get good at tracing yourself, comic artist glory awaits!
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>>69417483
>Doesn't even try to make it not look like lego

Haha, oh wow
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>>69417843
It could be argued that it's just part of the design. I'm not defending it or anything, but the cannons are blatantly clipping through the rest of the ship. It looks like the guy just mashed a couple of 3D models together with no regard for visual consistency, which, all things considered, is probably exactly what he did.
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Anyone have the interview or whatever where some guy from Marvel defends Land and says shit like "Would you take food off of his table?" and shit like that?
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>>69417483
that is a Google Sketchup (or something similar) model. In fact, I think he had a partial 3D model of the Lego fighter, directly imported it, then drew around it.
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>>69416783
>mad dosh
>in the comics industry
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>>69417866
Land i swear to god i know its you dude
or did you forget when you slipped up in this very same kinda thread like two years ago
its ok you're a hack
its just 4chan what the fuck do we matter
go buy an eisner
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>>69414980
It's missing the ring.
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>>69417866
Even a monkey can draw manga does make it a point to tell artists how being a profesional has nothing to do with skill.
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>>69417483
It's the fucking camera on the back and fucking cannons horribly melding into the front part that really sell the piece.
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Wow I trace just that blatantly, by combining two pics and tracing the result.

Does that mean I could actually get PAID for it and you'd buy my shit? On Patreon perhaps?

Pleease.
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>>69417693
Yeah, he's a fantastic artist, isn't he? Look at that anatomy. So good.
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>>69417961
>"Would you take food off of his table?"

I hate how people never have the balls to answer "you what i fucking would".
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>>69418083
And a good person, too. Look at this touching tribute to a breast cancer survivor. Beautiful, in every way.
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>>69417760
what books are those?
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>>69415232
yeah. Comparing Land to Hughes, or lets say someone like Rockwell is a joke.
Lightboxing IS centuries old.

Hell, watch Tim's Vermeer to get a hint of just how much the "masters" of old might have actually used camera obscura and lightboxing.

But land's work is beyond lazy.
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>>69412304
This picture pisses me off, because it's a pose that everyone does but knowing Land he fucking traced it. And I can't find what he traced.
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"Never draw anything you can copy, never copy anything you can trace, never trace anything you can cut out and paste up."

-Wally Wood
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>>69412304
It kills me, I'm pretty sure I already saw the exact same pose, but I can't remember where .
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>>69417483
I don't know if I hate this. or love this.

hiding legos into my art, may be a thing now.
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>>69411292
You clearly don't draw even a bit, do you?
Reference is not drawing exactly what you see in a photo.
Look up "Shrimp method" to understand referencing.
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>>69418196
Wood actually had talent though
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>>69418196
Sage advice.
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>>69418210
It's killing me too.

I googled the cover and found Guru posted it on his DeviantArt. He was replying to every single comment, except for a very specific one...

http://guru-efx.deviantart.com/art/Iron-Man-15-cover-398189946
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>>69418270
Referencing os the art of copying the bits you can't figure out on your own in a way people won't notice you're a hack.
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>>69418278
>Wood actually had talent though
This is true.
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>>69417140
Holy hell.
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>>69417151
I love Land.
He's like a game,
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>>69414560
>>old lady
>>has all her teeth
>wut?

You've never heard of dentures I take it?
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>>69418083
Hey, kids! Check out the new Super Hero Popsicles, designed by Greg Land! Now you can suck on Felicia Hardy's boobs! And...her head too, I guess. Also available: Ben Grimm's gaping jaw, Generic Porn Face and Grumpy Grandma.
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>>69417151
A minute ago I was thinking "how lazy to trace the middle panel like that, but at least the top panel shows he can still draw if he tries"

I love how the narrative is completely warped around the need to trace these stock images. The middle panel makes no sense.
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>>69418515
>And...her head too, I guess.
I know a few superheroes whose heads I'd suck!
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>>69412304
This is the closest I have found.
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>>69413378
Using models is not tracing, you Nimrod. Tracing is literally TRACING the lines of a photo or drawing, copying without making any substantial changes. You can't trace live models, you can't put your paper over them and trace their lines, and even more so if they're living beings, they fucking move!
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>>69412304
Fuck, it's driving me crazy how familiar this seems. I thought it might've been a picture of Mephisto, but google revealed no relevant results.
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>>69417779

A lot of them are stock photos with some kind of free license.
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We should compile ALL the Land swipesin some Landpedia. Maybe compile all the comics swipes in one Swipepedia.
>Land
>Deodato
>Liefeld
>Roger Cruz

Let's do it!
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>>69418686
It's one of the most common poses in comics. I could probably come up with a half dozen Conan the Barbarian covers exactly like this.
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>>69418768
Liefeld and Cruz at least draw freehand sometimes.

Land and Deodato trace literally everything.
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>>69418802
Yeah...but that propped up foot especially...
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>>69418144
Punisher ongoing. Frank moprhed into Parlov punisher all of a suuden.
The art sort of dropped since we found out it was ending.
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>>69412304
maybe the reason we cant find it is because he traced over more than one pose
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>>69410501
he's not fat enough or old enough to do this, i have no respect for this guy
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>>69418863
I hope there is a 'shop of this where they all hold salad bowls.
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Wow you guys didn't even mention david mack in this thread?
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>>69417798
Who puts peanut butter in a tin can?
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>>69412304
this is the only thing I could find
im not sure if theyre the same, though
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>>69416831
>>69415683
>that angle
>that mouth open
>only one eye

I love it
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>>69419118
Probably the same guy who licked it out of there afterwards.
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>>69415036
God.
Dammit.
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>>69415683
>one eye beam
Top fucking kek
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>>69412304

I can see this, too. Foot on a pile of skulls.
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>>69415683
he seriously could take 30 seconds to modify that trace? is this some kind of joke
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>>69417483
Did he clip the plane on poser and just drew over it? what

>>69418083
Oh god it's like a hand puppet
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>>69417483
>>69417483
FUCKING WOW
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>this thread
I love threads like this, these comic book artists are hacks.
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hack bump
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>>69418324
They can't really answer that question because:

1) They probably don't know the answer
2) Acknowledging that Land traces could be career suicide as it would make a huge controversy.
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>>69410501
>likes Crossgen Comics
I could almost agree if Route 666 hadn't taken such a nosedive after its first arc
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>>69417374
you've gone from IT'S NOT TRACING to OK HE TRACES A LITTLE IS THAT SO BAD?
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The majority of Broo in Wolverine & The X-Men were just traces of the Glasses Gremlin from Gremlins 2.
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>>69423992
Really now?
>>69423351
Marvel admitted Land traces and they don't care. They just like that he gets it done and are willing to pretend his shit is gold and the nuts are diamonds.
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>>69413422
>>69413430
reference and tracing are literally the same thing
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>>69424089
Referencing is to tracing what a cover-song is to lip-syncing.
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>>69417483
Holy shit that beats everyone out of the water. I prefer to think that was a sly homage to lego just to keep my faith in the art industry
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>>69424142
referencing and tracing are both drawing from life
only non-artists would think tracing is a bad thing
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>>69424210
artist here. tracing is fucking retarded and for children. put time and effort into your drawings kids, don't take the easy road like this chump.
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>>69424210
man if you actually want to see the difference between tracing and referencing just compare Greg Land to Alex Ross
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>>69424210
Nah, go to /ic/, they also complain about using references and not just tracing.

Amateur artists are the worst.
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>>69424210
this has to be bait, I'm an artist and only deviant art tier autists and greg land think it's a good thing
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>>69416866
Now I want any anons who do solicit threads to replace Land's name with "Google" anytime a book he's working on is posted.
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>>69417151
>I deserve this
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>>69417212
>so they just keep putting him on backwater books and pay him a salary so he doesn't end up on the street

Meanwhile, Howard Porter injures his hand, and still manages to re-learn how to draw. And he was driving a fucking bus during that period.
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>>69412304
looks like a cross between this: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111128815/3557812-black+adam+.jpg and this: https://jeffreyklyles.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/iron-man-3-the-mandarin-poster.jpg
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>>69424295
Not a fair comparison since Ross is more of an illustrator. But! you do have a bit of a point.

These trace guys back themselves into a corner because theyre expected to reach this level of quality all the time. It's like, no dude, simplify your shit, and you don't have to draw every strand of fucking hair.
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>>69418338
Reference is when you look up photos of bodybuilders to get some idea of how Superman's muscles should look. Tracing is when you take a picture of a bodybuilder, lightbox it, and put him in a cape.
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>>69418083
Well /co/ DOES like snake ladies.
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>>69418083
holy shit lmao, no wonder he traces he seems to only have a vague grasp of anatomy
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>>69417483
This is amazing. It really is like a game. I want to find more hidden images in comics now.
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>>69424142
then how about this, laymen do not think hey i can just reference a pose and change EVERYTHING and have a completely new and ORIGINAL picture.
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>>69418117
This guy really does hate hips.
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>>69425041
Referencing a pose TOTALLY isn't copying! Or maybe it is, and you can't draw anything in a pose you have already seen!
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>>69424210
It's bad to sell tracings as your own original works. It can be good for novice artists to help them get proportions of things down and learn how things work but passing it off as your own work and making money off it is pretty bad. It's not like we live in the age before photography, were that kind of stuff was actually necessary.
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>>69413378
Yes, but Michelangelo didn't take pictures of his models and trace them in Photoshop.

Fuck, even that'd be more work than Land ever does.
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>>69423992

Kek
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Someone post the Tony 'HHHNNNNNNGGGGG' Stark image
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>>69425389
Maybe.
Tracing isn't as new as you think.
They had to get pretty creative with it though.
But yeah Tracing and using Models aren't the same thing.
I'm not sure if it's bait or if they genuinely think people are referring to people who use reference when they say tracing.
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This is the right way to use photo reference's http://youtu.be/KX4W4iXYJBk?t=1m16s
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>>69425740
Pupils of the renaissance most likely traced their master's sketches which is fine. That helps you learn proportion, but after a while you need to learn to transition to actual life drawing.
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>>69413901
is the original in spanish? because if that's so, they couldn't even afford someone to proofread and tell them there's a typo
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>>69425828
nope, that is an American comic originally published in English

the lady is just speaking Spanish
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there is literally nothing wrong with tracing from real life, just don't be a shitty artist in the first place. would be even more ideal to get your own models, be it yourself even
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awkward anatomy and faces or tracing?
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One I made for Land way back as the previews for Iron Man #1 came out.
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>>69425944
>traced a cosplayer
LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND
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>>69425920
Are you proposing an either or because Land somehow manages to have his cake and eat it too in that respect/
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>>69425886
>there is literally nothing wrong with tracing from real life

What is your definition of "tracing" in this instance?
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>>69425828
I hate how they forget the opening exclamation mark.
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>>69413426
this came out this month while the land comic came out like last year i thought
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Anyone have the one where Iron Man is having a heart attack? I don't know if it's the same artist, but it's still hilarious, especially since it makes his suit look like skin.
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>>69416206
I don't think this one is accurate. The fingers don't match up at all.
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>>69417483
That's really something.
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>>69426586
best I could do/find
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>>69427366
no
no
stop it
I refuse to believe this is real
NO ONE CAN BE THIS STUPID
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>>69426586
>>69427366
I sort of thought this was the worst one I'd see, if only because it's not only a stock image, but a fairly memetic one.

Some the things in this thread really give it a run for its money.
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>>69427465
That doesn't communicate the same meaning at all. He looks kind of happy. At least trace it right, jeezus
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>>69427366
>wrinkles on iron mask
Is there something within the comic that makes this make sense? Because this doesn't make sense, on top of being a trace.
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>tfw artist
>tfw practice for years, trying to git gud
>this faggot spits in the face of the profession and calls himself an artist
>actual GOOD artists get paid shit compared to him

How the fuck does he still have a job? Like somebody there at Marvel MUST'VE noticed or something, right? And they didn't do anything?

Is he good on deadlines or something?

Do they even give a shit about tracing or any form of copyright?

yes i mad.
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>>69427523
Fucking hell. When they're side by side, it sort of looks like he didn't entirely trace it, because things like the position of the hand and the head seem different.

But if you open an image editor and rotate it just so...
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>>69427637
people at marvel defend him, actually
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>>69427637
no they don't you know why cause nobody fucking cares about the art in comic books as long as he meets his deadlines he will have a job because story>art always.
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>>69427696
Do you have any examples? Because if it's other artists, I'd like to boycott their work too.
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>>69426586
>>69427366
>>69427465
>>69427653
I remember seeing a gif of this but never saved it.
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>>69427696
The thing about Land, mind, is that Land's artwork has two characteristics: it looks pretty cool at a glance, and it's mostly on time. In the comics industry, you can pretty much draw with a pencil made of dried cat shit and you'll still get steady work if you can get it in on time.
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>>69427637
>Is he good on deadlines or something?
Duh.

Good art takes time.
Same with writing.

Only a few stories are planned ahead of time especially weekly or bi-weekly series.

Also since when do comic book artists get paid a lot? I am stuck with the impression ever since reading how it was drawing in the old days.
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>>69427637
>Is he good on deadlines or something?
This is all you need, unfortunately. Poor quality work that won't really be noticed by most of the audience makes no difference. Consistency and reliability is why Questionable Content makes so much money, regardless of its laziness and general hackiness.
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Remember when Land was at DC and he tried to make his traces less obvious at least?
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>>69427765
In contrast webcomic artist have a lot of time in their hands and their drawing are really not any better.

Not defending Land at all, but I hate pompous art students as well.
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>>69427765
Hell, the quality of the art in QC has even gone DOWN over the last few years, and it still makes Jeff Jacques about 10K a month.
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>>69427749
>it looks pretty cool at a glance,

THIS. I remember just getting into comics, and reading Ultimate FF, thinking "damn this art looks slick. and the chicks are hot". Then as time went on, I noticed characters had an uncanny valley tinge to them, a lot of stiff composition, and overall just a very rushed look glossed over with come colors.
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>>69427763
>Also since when do comic book artists get paid a lot?

idk Doesn't J.Romita Jr get paid a lot? Or Jim Lee?

Also web comic artists?
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>>69427763
>Also since when do comic book artists get paid a lot?

Supposedly artists get paid good rates.
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