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>people hear about how Korra has a progressive lesbian character

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>people hear about how Korra has a progressive lesbian character ending
>they come to watch the show expecting a well-built relationship between Korra and Asami
>they realise that it's shoe-horned in by Bryke at the end to get relevancy
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>>68196857
>people expecting full blown lesbian ending
>realize they're still friends and that the lesbian feelings set in after the show is over
>they proceed to make cute and sexy pics of it
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>>68196910
pic related
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>>68196857
>people hear about Korra being good
>people are being lied to
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>>68196857
You can't say that unless you're a bigot, didn't you hear?
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>>68196953

th-thanks
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>people make threads about korrasami
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Makorra has Ikki and Jinora ask Korra if she likes Mako after only mostly arguing with each other and then they sleep leaning on each other in one episode, Korra doesn't look so approving of Asami/Mako in the next episode, and then we are told Korra's feelings for Mako and that apparently they seemed mutual at the beginning of the next episode by the narrator.

I just think Bryke have no middle ground at this point and that it could've been even shitter than what we got ... At least they showed a decent friendship despite only four scenes, one at the end of Book 3 and three in 4, other than the final scene having any romance intentions behind it.
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>End up making a decent show but it won't be as remembered as much as it should
>"Shit man we're kinda sunk right here should we go to the back up?"
>"You know it man!"
>Cue Byran and Mike breaking open a glass display case with titled 'The Gay Gambit'
>Ends up getting their show a shitton more relevancy than when it's series premiered.
>Emmies fall into place as they confirm it.
>TV Networks are going to eat out their fucking hands because Progessive.
And I'm just sitting here, smiling as the porn rolls in.
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>>68196961
Wait but I'm South American, I'm not 100% white so it's okay right? I thought that was how it worked
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>>68196857
I think you're giving people who watch a show just because they heard it has a progressive lesbian couple far too much credit for being able to critique things objectively. They'll just love it BECAUSE it had a progressive lesbian couple and ignore all the other glaring flaws.

Just as planned.
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>>68197025
Not everything is a fucking agenda, Anon. It's fine if you want to see things that way, but not everyone is that money-grabbing. Bryke are clearly sincere about Korrasami, for better or worse. I think they should have gone with it more strongly, but even they have admitted now they pussied out on being explicit with it right til the end.
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is TLA still worth watching
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The problem people had with the ending wasn't resolved, it was still poorly developed and unbelievable. But because of the response from creators half of the fanbase just doesn't care enough to argue anymore and bounced out.

There were at least 3 or 4 active threads arguing about the finale a day ago, and now there are three Avatar threads total. 1 is an AU thread, 1 is a Kataang babies thread, and you have this one. It's sad to see the arguments go, because it was people embroiled in a debate over something they loved. Now it's just people saying "fuck this show, and fuck Bryan for being a smarmy cunt". It's not exclusive to here either, people on tumblr are leaving left and right.
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Just stop posting please
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>>68197086

First season is okay but it picks up a lot in the second season.
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>>68197086
always.
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>>68197007
>people make threads about korrasami being pointless and a gimmick
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Fix'd for you.
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>>68197086
TLA is awesome
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No man, didn't you know? Bryke are like the masters of foreshadowing!

Remember the lion turtle
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>>68197079
We all know they had a love for the relationship, clearly as it seems like that had it in their shows fucking Bible before hand. Even speaking with the network heads and such they saw that it would be harder to actually implement so they settled on a means to an end. Over time they say how much the fanbase loved the pairing and due ever changing times they decided to develop their relationship into something more. But it's hard not to argue since they had this planned from the near beginning shows that's fucking brilliant with how you seen gay rights evolve over the past few years since the shows inception.
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>>68197020
Asami seems like she is in love with Korra from the end of book 3 if you look closely. Korra's side is less well developed but still there.

Korrasami would have really benefited from a single additional scene right before the big battle where Asami hugs Korra or something and Korra has a sudden revelation.
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>"Yeah by the way, when they held hands in the very last second of this four season program, that was meant to be romance."

There's nothing progressive about that.
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http://xrhiax.tumblr.com/post/105920444264/sorry-guys-this-is-a-really-long-post-basically
http://xrhiax.tumblr.com/post/105920444264/sorry-guys-this-is-a-really-long-post-basically
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To think even tumblr whales can clearly and concisely explain why Korrasami was badly handled.
Maybe if people read this they'd understand why Bryke didn't "do everything possible to spell it out" or that they could absolutely "make it more clear without pissing off censors".

Especially since Bryke admitted they were going for a Korra alone end until the last minute.
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>>68197092
>But because of the response from creators half of the fanbase just doesn't care enough to argue anymore and bounced out.

Yeah, the half that was wrong.
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>>68197197

Asami you can kind of argue for. Korra showed not a damn iota of attraction to Asami. She didn't even seem to care when Asami almost died.
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>>68196857
you could see them hinting at it from season two
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>Bryke had to come out and confirm the relationship
>People are still praising them for their writing and the finale
If they had to come out and confirm it, they didn't do a very good fucking job with showing that these two characters were romantically linked in the first place.
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>>68197225
>>68197205
I like to imagine Korra is just really naive

>Asami is such a nice friend :3
>My hands are getting a bit sweaty
>The spirit world is pretty cool I suppose
>Why is she leaning in?
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>I started re-watching Legend of Korra from the beginning just yesterday, so that I could see how much foreshadowing there was for Korrasami. So far all it's done is make me grin at every interaction between Korra and Asami and roll my eyes at Mako.

After Korra and Mako break up in the second season, Mako is pretty much never again characterized as a romantic option for anyone (although I think Wu had a teensy crush on him). It really is just Korra and Asami from there.

Asami is the one that Korra wrote to during her recovery. Asami tells Korra that she likes her new haircut and that she could not have borne the loss of both her father and Korra.

I know that people will deny it until Word of Lion Turtle is received, but it really doesn't get any clearer to me - everything else is just confirming what is already known.
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>>68197207
They definitely could've had a few more episodes were Korra and Asami did more things together.
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>>68197197
And it seems like the government faked the moon landing if you look closely.

It's either there or it's not, and it wasn't. Bryke says they have feelings for each other, great, happy for everybody who's happy about that. But let's not pretend this was some grand master plan or that it was "subtle" or they any intention of including anything more significant toward it.

It was a last minute, end of the line bit of fanservice, and nothing more.
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>>68197207
>Especially since Bryke admitted they were going for a Korra alone end until the last minute.
But that's wrong. They said that they decided to push it farther at the last minute, but everything else was still done. They were still going alone in the spirit world.
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>>68197225
>Korra showed not a damn iota of attraction to Asami

Take your hetero lenses off.
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>>68197236
You mean season two when Mako was pretty much on the verge of having them both at once? Yeah, really hinting hard at it when they're both taking advantage of the other to try and get back with him.
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>>68197269

They said they weren't pushing for it at all because they thought they'd be censored, and only asked for the final scene, which is why it's so jarringly blatant.

But that shows some real lack of imagination on their part because there's a FUCKTON of shit they could have done to imply Korrasami without it being offensive.

>>68197282
She had a better reaction when Bolin complimented her, sport. And she made damn clear she wasn't attracted to him.
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>>68197282
>the best looking girl, who Mako and Bolin's grandma thought was the avatar and everybody thinks is damn gorgeous calls you pretty
>you, who's known more for your fighting and bro-ness

Wouldn't you blush in Korra's shoes?
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>>68197207
Just a bitter Makorra shipper.
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>>68197248
Still better than AT's hack writers
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/pol/ here.

Don't complain or critique. Bryke, Vanity Fair, and IGN WANT you to complain and critique. Because they gather all your complaints and critiques, and will call it homophobia.

It won't be a mere deflection, either. Odds are good that one person complaining about the finale will genuinely be homophobic and bigoted.

That one person will make EVERYONE ELSE homophobic by proxy - by virtue of sharing the opinion that the finale was bad.

But it does NOT end at deflection. I repeat they do NOT just get rid of criticism by calling what you do homophobia. They ALSO get to write clickbait articles and bolster the show's reputation

If Bryke set up a kickstarter for a Korrasami comic, for example, they'd make hundreds of thousands of dollars in a day, from the Redditors who want to combat homophobia

The ONLY way to not give them what they want is to NOT react

But you ARE reacting, because how could you not?

I'm just saying there's no point in it.

I'm sorry guys. I really am.
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>>68197325

Can't wait for dozens more replies attacking the poster instead of the argument.
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>>68197282
From this point on, I think it's best to ignore everybody who uses the terms "heteronormative" or "hetero lens" in their arguments.

This is a debate about writing and storytelling, not social issues or political agendas like some (including Bryke) are trying to make it.
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>>68197325

too short, didn't validate
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>>68197207
they wanted to pander to a specific group of fans and get a pat on the back for being progressive ended up creating an even bigger ship war than the end of the last show.

they also called their fanbase homophobic and hetero lens viewers like they were some amazing writers of lesbian fiction for years
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>>68197086
TLA is very good, but be careful as bryke might decide that random characters are gays and trans later.
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>>68197269
>But that's wrong. They said
And you believe them?
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>>68197339
>/pol/

dont lie nigger. /pol/'s fucking dead. Theres no /pol/ anymore.
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>>68197339
>/pol/ here.

stopped reading here
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The fact that Bryan actually used the phrase "hetero lens" proves to me he's a pathetic little revisionist loser desperate for attention. He had the power and every opportunity to show it and he didn't, because they had no intention of doing it. Even when they did do it, they did it in the most tame, lame, vague way possible. And then he goes on tumblr to lap up the praise for confirming fangirls' greatest fantasies with nothing more than his own say so.

I guess when everybody thought Book 2 was shit, including Nick themselves, we were all just looking at it through our "good taste" lens.

He's a fucking coward and a liar and a hack. Fuck him and fuck anybody dumb enough to believe or hire him ever again.
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>ITT: People so blind that they can only wear hetero lenses
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>>68196960
>85% of /co/ thinks the show is a 6/10 or better
>the remaining 15% who call it shit are still convinced they're being objective
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>>68197382

Not that guy, but I believe them. They say they had it in mind earlier, but they ADMIT that they basically didn't put it in at all until the last second.
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>>68196857
Lmao seriously
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>>68197332
Such a high bar.
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You know what's missing from that post from Bryan?

"Shitlord".

Fucking hack.
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>>68197339
>/pol/ here.
Why would you start your post with a phrase that immediately invalidate everything you say?
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>>68197405
>tfw forgot to put in my homo contacts today
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> two girls hold hands
> fucking shoehorned lesbian dyke shit this is not what the bible preaches fucking sjw liberals and their dogs they're married to ruining everything like always! Next you know they'll show full on beastiality those unnatural shits.
Ouch my /pol/-itis!
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>>68197282
You really lack experience, SJW retard. Girls blush all the time.
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>>68197393
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>>68197429
Because /pol/ is the fire nation in AtlA. They believe they are the best, they believe they are respected and that everyone should be like them. Really, everyone hates them.
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>>68196857
>Bryke does such s shit job with showing this supposed relationship that they actually have to go online to their blog and confirm it
>People praise them for their amazing writing prowess and their representation of homosexuality and bisexuality in mainstream media
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>>68197325
And yet smarter than any Korrasami shipper has been until this week.
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>>68197384
If only, it shits up /v/ constantly
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>>68197440
I thought if they had kissed I would have been among those who are raging right now.
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>>68197451
Ozai did nothing wrong.
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>>68197440
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>>68197343
Sadly people overlook all of that because of the asspull last minutde change by Bryke. Now that Bryke mentioned Korrasami on their websites, it's really getting out of hand. People are just full of themselves. There's nothing at all to support bisexual nor lesbian in LOK, other than the finale ending (which, again, was changed).
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>>68197393

Agreed, he went down in my estimation quite considerably. His wording was vitriolic gloating nonsense that basically insulted anyone who didn't absolutely buy his version of events.

It's one thing to come out and confirm, explain and justify. It's another to start throwin about terms that are intended to be derogatory to people you are looking to give you money. You arent "shaming" them, you're just sounding very petty and insular, cosy within your own echo chamber.
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>>68197339
> /pol/
Stopped reading right the fuck there. Get back to your mudhut of a board.
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>>68197474
>that text
LEWD
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>>68197469
>muh 6 gorillion air benders
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>>68197363
If they wanted to pander to the fans Lin would've hooked up with Tenzin again and Appa and Momo would be banging
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>>68197450
If he was a fan of TLA he have every right to be mad.
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>Aang died and we got Korra as the next Avatar
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>>68197485
>other than the finale ending (which, again, was changed)
Bryke literally spelled out that nothing but the spirit world arc was planned out from the beginning. They decided on Korrasami from season 3 and onwards. So really, the ending wasn't ''changed'' since Bryke already favored this pairing.
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>>68197454
The sad thing about it is that they're so desperate for their fantasies to come true that literally the least someone could do to validate them is celebrated like a universal gay marriage bill.

It's not even about gays in media, there's ton of that now. It's about their own personal want.
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>>68197508
>The next Avatar has nobody to call on for advice except Korra
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The future's so gay I gotta wear hetero lenses.
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>>68196857
>Korra and Asami heterosexual throughout the series
>Whoops, nevermind, they're bisexual!
Bryke confirmed to be terrible writers. Even George Lucas didn't make last minute changes to their characters. I'm sure Obi-Wan would've held hands with Anakin if Bryke were at the helm.
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>>68197508

KOrra is fucking awesome. Pity her show was bad and the writing never let her show her shit properly.

>>68197516
But they weren't planning on showing it until they asked for permission near the end, and it SHOWS, because the pairing's romance is absent until the ending shot.
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>>68197454
you have to understand how far in denial some fans can be, theres still people who believe zuko and katara happened
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So, how long will those two faggots go out of the closet themselves?
Fucking hypocrites
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>>68197207
tumblr puttin' in work
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>>68197339
You can complain and critique the 99.99% of the show that isn't about Korrasami without ANYONE being in position to call you homophobic.

The finale wasn't bad by any means, it was one of the best finales the Avatar series has had. There's still a lot you can criticize in the writing of the finale, the season or the show without having spooky SJW getting out of the woods to get ya.

Of course that's only if you aren't completely fixated on "MUH LESBIAN PANDERING" and can actually formulate your criticism of the actual show well enough.

>they gather all your complaints and critiques
>being this paranoid about cartoons
Jesus /pol/, how thick is your tinfoil hat?
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Buy the Blu-Rays people, the ending will be changed, once again, with Korra kissing Asami
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>>68197508

> yfw the next Avatar is going to have the worst avatar ever as guide
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>>68197535
>to their characters
to his characters*
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>>68197537
But they were building up to it, they just weren't sure how far they were allowed to go so they just showed hand holding and looking into each other's eyes.
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It's an important distinction to say "It doesn't mean anything because it's rushed" and "The series in general has a weakness in this department."

Many things in Korra got rushed from the character angle (and since the budget was slashed an episode, presumably lots of character moments took the hit. You can't just skip the scene where the kids stumble on the mecha-maid).

But there were conscious decisions. Korra's "home" in S3's finale being with Asami (not her folks, who WERE in town), the use of the word "girlfriend" in S3 were deliberate. With CN holding Adventure Time's leash and Disney taking the envelope from Kim Possible and burning it, it was not unreasonable to assume Nick would be no more supportive of it.

Much of the character stuff was pedaled pretty hard. The Bei Fong drama (especially the Lin-Toph argument, which came from nowhere and went almost nowhere), Bo Lin/Opal were really not given any follow through, hell even Zhu Li/Varrick pairing felt a little obligatory. In general the series has always handled romance poorly. I'd almost interpret it as a white flag of surrender "We know, we suck at shipping, we leave it to you, fanficers"
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>>68197282
>my friend's having a rough time with school, things aren't going so good, he's feeling stressed.
>Compliment him to make him feel better
>He smiles embarrassed and says thanks

Guess I better go start sucking dick cause I clearly lust for cock now.
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>>68197526
They'd be better off with just going at it alone.

Fucking Korra be tellin' a nigga to take a vacation when the world on fire.
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>>68197535
mako genderbent them, simple to understand
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>>68197454
People are delusional.
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>>68197508
I liked her. We didn't see too much of her matured self until the end of S4 but she definitely grew as a character from a brat of some sort to a real mediator.
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>>68197393
this is a good point outside the rage
He basically insulted his own fanbase because they are critiquing by his own admission his shoehorned narrative breaking ending for the series because he wanted to pander to people.

Its like how much more pathetic can you get. His words don't change the reality of how little sense the ending makes when you consider they were going for a korra alone end
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>>68197576
No anon. You just compliment him. He is the faggot.
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>>68196857
Progressive doesn't mean good on the quality of the story. It just means they are trying to make something different than the old obsolete way.
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>it was well written and completely obvious!

>creators have to confirm online that a relationship was there because the show failed in portraying that to the audience

I guess liking good writing makes me a homophobe.
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>>68197521
>It's not even about gays in media, there's ton of that now.
Not in kids show. Not that I'm saying it's particularly appropriate a setting to discuss alternative sexuality, but that's the "barrier" people pat them on the back for "breaking": having a gay MC in a supposed kids' show.
I agree it's a stretch, but it's not like LoK is a sitcom.
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>>68197592
>moderates the city into rubble
>leaves for a vacation
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>>68197582
>Hey Korra, I just wanted to ask you about something. So there's this guy I like but I don't know, my best friend seems really into him as well. Should I date him or what?

>Date him, break up with him, wait until he dates your friend and breaks up with her, then date your friend

>...?

>Hey, worked for me
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>>68197555
>Korra was only a shit avatar because she knew she was the avatar when she was 4. All other avatars besides Aang knew when they were 16. Korra was too immature to be avatar and ending up being a haughty dumbass.
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If he wanted to tell a dyke story so bad then why didn't he just make a whole show about it? why shoehorn that in the end of an unrelated show that wasn't very good to begin with
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>>68197575
>the use of the word "girlfriend" in S3 were deliberate
If you truly believe that this was intentional, then you really must interact with girls irl, anon. I see tons of girls who say "girlfriend," meaning friends who are girls. Not lovers, you autist.
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It's official, niggers
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>>68197575
>Disney taking the envelope from Kim Possible and burning it
There was nothing planned in Kim Possible though, Kim and Shego was all fan pairing stuff.
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>>68197542
>We were kidding! Korra and Asami are totally platonic friends.
>Just like us.

then they make out
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>>68197384
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>>68197429
>>68197488
>>68197552
You realize this kneejerk dismissal of an opinion based on the first sentence is precisely what Bryke are taking advantage of to succeed?

People don't care about context anymore. They hear a word they don't like and they shut things out entirely.

Well, fuck it. Just know that Bryke will win this.
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>>68197610
Kuvira was the one who turned the city to rubble. Korra talked her into turning herself in so she could properly pay for her crimes.

Also, the city is expanding rather than rebuilding. I don't think there's much Korra can do there. It's not like she can earthbend rocks into houses.
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>>68197627
By two hacks who are full of themselves. Okay, anon, you win!
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>>68197552
>SJW still trying to defend this train wreck just because it have a lesbian ending
All acording to keikaku for bryne, he is really good at using gay people as shields.
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>>68197393
>>68197487
Those are good points. At least Mike is less shitty about it. Although the whole "we contributed to the progress of society a little" (paraphrase) is poor form.
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>>68197646
To be honest, get Toph and Bumi in and give them a bunch of rocks to work with and I bet you could at least get the shell for houses
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>>68197644
win what exactly
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>>68197207
So many things I want to do to Kuvira. When she gets sent to prison I want her bending taken away by Korra. Then I would break her out and keep her in my home shackled up. I would proceed to mind break slowly. First promising her to see her family, then her freedom, then her health. I would shove my dick into her mouth and fuck her throat wildly while she's handcuffed to the floor. I would throat fuck her so hard her saliva stays on my now hard and well lubricated penis when I take it out. I would take my dick out before I cum and walk out.

For a time she will be angry. But she will be broken. Then after a couple of weeks, assuming she's "lost" by then, I would turn her into my personal whore. I would make her beg for my dick for food or water. I would make her tell me how much she wants it inside her. I would cum in her throat and ask her if she wants to go to the movies. I would fuck her ass like she was a peasant whore and make her the dinner she always wanted. I would travel to air temple island with her and fuck her in Tenzins home when his family isn't there; leaving the stank behind.

We will make wonderful children and she will finally be happy.
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>>68197615
What the fuck was the White Lotus thinking? The last time an avatar was told he was an avatar to early we had 100 years of war. Freaking dumb asses
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>>68197612
>Hey Korra I need some advi-
>"I'm a bisexual you know?"
>That's... fantastic, now can you tell me who Koh is and how i'm supposed to com-
>"Asami, my love, and I grew as people and eventually fell in love. People didn't agree with it, but we knew it was right."
>I- I'm going to die here could you stop telling me about useless shit and help?
>"Useless?! What's the matter, can't handle a proud couple of two beautiful, strong women?!"
>I hate you Korra
Ya'll know Korra be that bitch in Anthro 1 talking about herself and how she finds some other girl attractive as fuck.
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>>68197668
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>>68197663
Critical acclaim, prestige, job security.
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>>68197644
>You realize this kneejerk dismissal of an opinion based on the first sentence
The fuck are you even talking about.
I'm >>68197552
I just happened to have called you "/pol/" instead of "anon". When you say paranoid stuff I'm going to call you paranoid, /pol/ or not.

Now actually respond to the points I make in my post
>>68197552
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>>68197393
FUCKING THIS! Screen'd
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>>68197644
He can't lose, he's already got his progressive kudos from a bunch of chucklefucks, the point people still want to get across, at least in /co/, is that he's a hack for doing it.
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>>68197658
>trainwreck
>85% of /co/ likes it
>implying I give half a shit about lesbians
Now respond to the actual points.
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>>68197668
>see her family

kek.
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>>68197381
i thought TLA had a different head writer (aaron Ehasz) so he wouldnt have to worry about that
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>>68197644
>You realize this kneejerk dismissal of an opinion based on the first sentence is precisely what Bryke are taking advantage of to succeed?

This is true.
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>>68197659
>we contributed to the progress of society a little
Oh my god. I'm 100% through with these two clowns. They're so full of shit.
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>>68197681
>Hey Korra, I'm just feeling down you know? I feel like my progress is halting, I can't get this bending technique right when everything else came so naturally, I just feel like I've hit a bit of a wall

>Yeah I know it's rough, reminds me of the time when I was alone in the SWT and I just wasn't getting any better. Katara did her best but it just wasn't working out. Thankfully I had Asami to write to or it would've been awful. I told you about Asami, my girlfriend, right?

>Yes Korra, I remem-

>Ah, Asami. I tell you kid, she was the most gorgeous thing I'd ever seen. She was everything I wasn't - delicate, smart, emotionally strong... you know what they say about opposites? They attract my friend, like magnets. Asami and I then fought together to save Republic Ci- hey are you still here? Hello?
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>>68197721
his show will be remembered as terrible
saying your characters are gay or lesbians at the end of a show does nothing for the quality
it has to actually be good on its own merits and not scrape for the lowest common denominator like legend of korra consistently did.
ask greg weisman
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>>68197725
Financially it is. A BIG FUCKING FINANCIAL TRAINWRECK.
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>>68197734
?
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>>68197725
>made up statistics
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>>68197552
Oh for fuck's sake- Look at IGN, AVclub, and Vanity Fair

They're focusing on MUH LESBIAN PANDERING.

They're not focusing on the fights, on Mako taking out the generator, they're focusing on the lesbians.

And that's my main issue, idiot. I never called the finale bad, fuck I don't even think the ending Korrasami shot is bad.

What I DO think is bad is that the critical reception of the finale, and perhaps even the fucking series will be due to lesbians.

Worse STILL, critics of the ending will be dismissed as homophobes

If the critique is bad, then dismiss it because it's bad, don't label them as homophobes.

That's ad hominem and it's the worst form of arguing
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>>68197763
AND I CARE WHY?
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>>68197668
I dream to one day high five you as i do the same to that semen demon Azula
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>>68197769
Kuvira has no family, thus a fatal flaw in the plan.
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>>68197339
>/pol/ here
Fuck off back to your containment board, faggot.
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>>68197769
>Kuvira
>family

talk about her "family" and the bitch will bite your cock.
Remember to use platinum though.
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>>68197776
There was a poll dickface.
Actually it's still here.
http://strawpoll.me/3223037
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Man, I was so pumped when I saw the headline about it being canon. And then I read Bryan's desperate diatribe trying to convince everybody that's what they wanted all along and it completely ruined it. "Hetero lens" like how fucking how old are you dipshit? You're like the kid who got shot during cops and robbers and whines he's got a forcefield up.
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>>68197835
where's 0/10?
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>>68197855
kek'd. Good point.
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>>68197855
>You're like the kid who got shot during cops and robbers and whines he's got a forcefield up.
truer words
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>>68197702
Good for them. They earned it if it means that /pol/ faggots are getting BTFO.
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>>68197855
I find it a little pathetic that they're pushing their agenda in front of our faces. As if that would mean anything, they also are trying to convince the masses that they had this all figured out and it's a-ok.,,
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>tfw there will be no LoK comics, and the AtlA ones suck anyway
>it is truly the end of the Avatarverse
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Why couldn't they just do it as Team Avatar going on a vacation together instead of Asami and Korra?
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>>68197934
>From the ass of Bryke: Korrasami
>Yeah, we had this all planned out, guys!
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>>68197793
A financially sound show wont have to leave TV.
But it is mostly due to Nick's incompetence at business and quality control.
Korra wont appeal to their demographic in the long run. And Bryke gone wild make the series suffer a lot.
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>>68197778
>reading clickbait
>only talking about the lesbians instead of the show
>claiming the only thing people will answer to any of your criticism is "homophobe" while failing to realize you're doing the exact same shit they're "doing" by claiming that all of the critiques who now say they like Korra will say that because of the lesbian ending
You're part of the cancer you're claiming to rebel against, anon.

Get some fucking perspective.
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>>68197197
rewatch the scene in book four where they reunite, they're totally gay for each other
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>>68197934
Do you think threads like this would exist if they hadn't done an ambiguous lesbian ending? It's so that people talk about the show
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>>68197934
"Special Edition Release: Mako Kissed First"
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>>68197934
Because then no one would be talking about Bryke and they would fall back into obscurity.
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>>68197931
Them feels man.

Any recommendations on what to watch next?

Animu included.
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>>68197934
Why didn't they end ATLA with a group hug instead of a twelve-year-old making out with a teenager?
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>>68197934
The Krew didnt have that good of a chemistry. After season 2 they mostly do their own shit.
And Korra didnt give a shit about Mako or Bolin during her recovering year so it's just natural she go alone with asami.
Still not enough to justify Korrasami though.
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>>68197986
Because was culminating a relationship that was built up since the very first episode that had a bond that went deeper than getting stuck in a desert once and being fucked by the same guy.
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>>68197981
Wakfu if you haven't seen it, comparable to AtlA in quality

Really good character building, same world building style (workign towards an overarching goal like in AtlA rather than everything having to happen quickly like in Korra due to short seasons), really good fights, overall one of my favourite animated shows
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>>68196857
holy
fucking
shit

I dropped korra after season 2, I though this lesbian ending bullshit was a joke I saw on facebook.

thank you for killing the avatarverse bryke.
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>>68196857
> date one girl (it was going alright)
> then date another (a fucking disaster)
> both ended in break-ups
> they decide to start fucking each other afterwards
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>>68197986
I wonder why Bryke didn't include Aang kissing Zuko at the end. Why not Bryan? I mean, weren't you looking at Aang through hetero lenses then? And Mike, didn't you want to contribute to society a little back then as well?

Oh wait, ATLA was a great show and LOK is a turd. No wonder you need to make up shit just to drive people to the series.
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>>68198037
Also QTs
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>>68198037
Thanks, I hear good things so I will actually give it a go.

What ages is it mainly aimed at? I've seen questionable content so i'm guessing not too Saturday morning cartoon?
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So Korra ditch Naga for a hoe.

Meanwhile, Aang..
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>>68197025
>>Cue Byran and Mike breaking open a glass display case with titled 'The Gay Gambit'
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>>68197778
Most people here aren't arguing that KorraSami was inherently bad.
We all just wished that it was handled a little better.
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>>68198039

You should read their tumblr posts confirming it, make sure to take off your hetero lenses off first less you be mistaken for a homophobe.
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>>68198098
Korra and Naga went unresolved. She was crucial to Korra's character, but Bryke are bad writers so it all makes sense why she went missing and Korra couldn't have cared less.
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>check out that avatar subreddit
>filled with korrasamifags
>reasonable posts like this is getting downvoted

Christ sake I think this is headed towards Harry Potter levels of shit
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>>68198098
Yup and Pabu disintegrated between season 3 and 4
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>>68198098

I didn't feel that any of the animals had actual meaning in Korra. Naga was just there, I didn't get any special insight because there was nothing to see between her and Korra.

Aang on the other hand went into a rage when Appa went missing.
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>>68198082
Ehh they wanted to have it being able to be shown on kids TV so nothing overly explicit but it has its very suggestive moments

I'd say aimed at older people but kids could still enjoy it
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>>68198143
Even the good faith comment was downvoted. Lmao.
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>>68198098

Aang was a better Avatar, nothing new there
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>>68198102
We all wish it was actually handled in some sort of way, not just dropped on us for the sake of desperately seeking some sort of praise. When I saw the ending it was still incredibly vague and pretty much just them being close friends. But after that bullshit where apparently I'm some kind of anti-progressive person for not liking shit writing? Oh hell no. I was always cheering for Korrasami but when I realized you could barely even imply it was a legit thing in the show, I just stuck to fanart and accepted it. We get a fucking Mako clip show but we couldn't get an Asami one that actually built up this ending? Fuck.
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So how long will it take for Bryke to come out and say that they fucked up, like Rowling?
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>>68198151
Sweet, thanks again for the recommendation.

Literally everything I watch ended at the same time.
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>>68198186
No worries, if you need a place to download it from check out nyaa.se
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>>68198181
Guy seems like an absolute ego maniac and he's using this so he still has work after making such a financial failure. So probably never.
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>>68198155

There can be no evidence of dissent, the echo chamber must be maintained.
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>>68198181
Rowling only did it because she had to endure nearly a decade of harmonians whining.

Bryke are going to go full korrasamifaggots thanks to all the praise they are getting.
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>>68198218
Just for future reference, Bryke are two guys.
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>>68198218
>Doesn't understand the Bryke joke
>Bandwagon detected
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>>68198224
I saved the image so at least I'll remember their logical thinking.
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>>68198237
No, they are one singular asshole.

But Brian more so.

>>68198241
Don't be a fag now. This thread is going surprisingly smoothly
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>>68198039
>thank you for destroying a show I don't watch by pandering to people who actually watch the show, you shitlords
Literally tumblr.
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>>68198230

Well tbf the "fans" they have made with this decision are very fickle, how many of them actively watched the show or will pay money for it. It's tough to justify pissing off one section of fans to try and buy another section, its a gamble. It's working for now with articles but talk is cheap.
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>>68198261
Nice damage control.
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Which one is Bryan, the bald one or the Liam Gallagher looking fellow?
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>>68196857
>>they come to watch the show expecting a well-built relationship between Korra and Asami
>>they realise that it's shoe-horned in by Bryke at the end to get relevancy

The fact that they came in expecting Bryke to pull off a well-built relationship of any kind is what set them up for failure.

And heap on that the fact that Nick wouldn't really clear more explicit "they're hot for one another" hints until very late in production when the show was pretty much already finished...

And you get the rushed ending. Similar to how they decide halfway through the last season that after spending the entire series treating her like his foot scrubbing, chore working, and underappreciated assistant, that Varrick was madly in love with Zhu Li, propposed to her, and married her all in the span of 30 minutes.
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>>68198218
>>68198230
Bryan needs to apologize for his "you are looking through your hetero lens xD!" but both Mike and Bryan are full of shit if they believe what they did meant something. The only thing to take out of LOK's ending is that they're bad writers. That's it.
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>>68197835
>strawpoll
Hahahaha
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>>68198143
I'm seeing a lot of people confused as to why Korra wrote to Asami. They seem to forget that Asami exclusively took care of Korra for several weeks while she was at her lowest point.

I have my issues with how the relationship was handled, but Korra writing to Asami is not one of them.
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>>68198119
>She was crucial to Korra's character,
Jesus Christ, no she wasn't. She was basically a panting car.
Appa was crucial to Aang because he was the only remains of his past.
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http://youtu.be/Zjo_WdDV1gE

Don't worry, Bryke are going to rework the series next go around.
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>>68197934
>1
>>68197986
>>68198033
>>68198043

>mfw Bryan fucking admitted the romance in ATLA was forced
>he admits that Korra was going to be alone
>he admits he was following Miyazaki's advice
>then he admits that Miyazaki was wrong, and instead of not having the guy and girl get together, the girl could get together with the girl
>deliberately makes older Hiroshi look identical to his sensai
>kills him in the finale to show how wrong he was

Bryan thinks he is a god. This is the biggest ego trip he'll ever get.
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I don't care about the shipping but the show was not that great the entire time through.
Shit, nigga. Makes me feel like writing my own comic.
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>>68198303
>Jesus Christ, no she wasn't.
Considering that Naga was Korra's best friend and the two had grown up together, I say it's fair game.

If you want a car driver, that's Asami.
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>>68198275
>Don't be a fag now.
You missed this bit...

Or go start a Supes vs thread or something.

>>68198287
I'm really surprised that "hetero-lens" thing is acceptable, it really does nothing but widen the divide between different sexualities.
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>>68197363
>they also called their fanbase homophobic and hetero lens viewers like they were some amazing writers of lesbian fiction for years

Oh I'm sure they have plenty of their own fanfiction about lesbians since honestly that's what Bryke are... fanfiction writes. They're not professionals as evident by the complete trainwreck the season became when they were pretty much responsible for everything.

>>68197496
>If they wanted to pander to the fans Lin would've hooked up with Tenzin again and Appa and Momo would be banging

Yea, pandering to some fans is pandering to all fans amirite? Your point is dumb.
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>>68198177
Yeah, they definitely could've used that recap episode for Asami and Korra. I enjoyed the episode, but if they really had an idea of KorraSami, they should've had at least one completely homo scene.
Just one line might've made the ending less asspull
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>>68198288
What the fuck is supposed to be wrong with strawpoll?
Are you paranoid enough to think someone would stuff the ballot for a fucking meaningless internet poll?
>inb4 yes
Well nobody ever implied that when the poll was taken, so maybe you should have actually been in those threads.
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>>68197248
>>People are still praising them for their writing and the finale

Nobody's praising the quality of the writing.

They're praising the fact that usually, networks are pretty adverse to implying that the protagonists of their childrens' cartoons are anything other than heterosexual.

Even a small scene, which looks at first glance like a bit of fan service, usually takes quite a bit of arguing, pleading, and trickery to actually pull off because kid's Networks are just so adverse to this kind of stuff.
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>>68197725
Lol. 85%.

56% of /co/ likes tacos. 23% of /co/ is /fit/. 74% of homestuck threads are made by one poster.
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>Kataang
>forced
Sure
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>>68198290
huh, I never really thought of Asami taking care of Korra in her first couple weeks of being a cripple.
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>>68198330
>Naga was Korra's best friend
Sure but she wasn't her only close person. I mean she had parents and shit, and as soon as b1 she makes other friends.
I don't know, it never really felt to me that Korra was as close to Naga as Aang was to Appa.
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>>68198378
Before she felt so close to her, she ran away for years.

Asami must be a shitty nurse.
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>>68198397
Fair enough. I took it as Korra's only friend outside of her family was Naga. That all changed once she met Mako and Bolin.
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>>68197793
Avatar is dead forever. Your ships are all sunk.
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>>68198361
>being this delusional
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>>68197207
>http://xrhiax.tumblr.com/post/105920444264/sorry-guys-this-is-a-really

First off

>Random faggot who shares my opinion means I'm right!

No, fuck off.

Secondly, that tumbletard is wrong within the first few sentences so I stopped reading. She's using an out of context picture from a scene to argue her shit point. That scene wasn't romantic, korra was just holding a waking kuvira to be nice, and the wheel chair scenes between korrasami shit all over the tumblrtards point.

You should be flayed for linking that garbage.
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>>68198043

Because the mean old bigoted Orange Splat wouldn't let them (with the move to online, they probably didn't care what they did)
>>
Man we are never gonna have a decent Avatar thread again are we?

Anyway as for Korrasami, In retrospect I think the build up in Book 3 is good enough, but they needed more scenes in Book 4 though the ones they had were more shippy then the ones in 3, probably should of had Asami go off to visit Zaheer with Korra instead of Mako or something.
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>>68198412
Yeah, for a long time Aang felt closer to Appa than the rest of team Avatar.
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>>68198323
Seems like a bit of a stretch but I do agree that Bryan has some pretty severe ego problems, he somehow thinks he's a progressive god now because he smashed two female characters together so he could get off on it like any hetro guy would.

>pant
>pant
>they touched hands
>pant
>they lesbians nao

The worst part of it all is now people are lauding the series for that last minute asspull alone instead of paying attention to the many mistakes and successes the show had during its run and having a meaningful conversation.
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>>68198270
>pandering to retarded shipperfags will make the show good and attract viewers
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>>68198033
>Because was culminating a relationship that was built up since the very first episode that had a bond that went deeper than getting stuck in a desert once and being fucked by the same guy.

He was 12 and she was 15 or 16. They got married and had kids.

That's retarded. What if your 12 year old son came home with a high schooler and told you, "This is the woman I'm going to marry."
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>>68198351
>Just one line might've made the ending less asspull

That's what the "I brought you tea." "Thanks, you're so sweet!" exchange was for. And Bryan used a screenshot of the two of them as his header in the clipshow explanation/apology post.
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>>68198290

But the problem with that is Asami literally had nothing else to do. Imagine Asami didn't exist, it just would have been Jinora, Kataara, or Pema. They lost track of what to do with Asami after Book 2, so they made her become Korra's emotional support.

The whole Korrasami relationship was a moment of convenience where "Hey, these two seem to be good friends, what if they go full blown bi in the finale??"

They basically admit as much that it was done for their progressive friends, and the biggest problem is, that view is not consistent to the entire show. It was a last minute decision that will forever seem out of place narratively.

I just think it's pretty dishonest.
>>
Let's look at all the crowning moments of all canon pairings we had:

>Kataang
Aang refusing to let go of Katara because of how much he loves her and showing how his love for the air nomads got reborn into his love for Katara

>maiko
"I love Zuko more than I fear you"

>sukka
Sokka going apeshit and jeopardizing their mission to interrogate Azula on Suki's whereabouts

>makorra
Saving each other from Amon

What is korrasami's big moment? The "I'm here for you"? We already got one of those for makorra back in book 1
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>>68198440
>Man we are never gonna have a decent Avatar thread again are we?
There have been several in the last few days. Now if you thought *this* thread wasn't going to be about the shitstorm...
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>>68198410

She disappeared for 6 months, lied to her parents and didn't even bother to visit her supposed lover when she was in the same city.

The whole start of S4 is a bit murky about how close they actually were. We know they wrote a bit, but thats about it.
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>>68198413
Honestly, Bryke has no one to blame other than themselves. Sure, you can blame Nick, but Nick had their reasons to throw Bryke under a bus. They are poor writers and Nick realized they made a mistake in letting two guys (who had Avatar on their belts) take total control of a new series. The poor writing crippled the series and the show's ending only reinforced this imo. Bryke's hilarious tumblr posts later to confirm Korrasami showed that they're both morons. Really, I'm done following these two. I'm off to find the next Bryke and hopefully they won't take a shit on their creation.
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>>68198357
>Are you paranoid enough to think someone would stuff the ballot for a fucking meaningless internet poll?

People do all the time, at least on /a/. Suddenly single options will get thousands of votes in mere minutes.
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>>68198455

Bryan is such a moron. The whole clip show could have been Korrasami.
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>>68198442
Meelo checking dem avatar ballistics
The boys have a bright future
Tenzin must give him a tatoo after he saved his life.
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>>68198417
I don't get it.
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>>68198444
Completely besides the point.
The guy is complaining about a show he doesn't even watch. Shippers, whether theyre a good thing or not, watch the show.
He doesn't get to complain about somethinjg he doesn't even watch.
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>That's retarded. What if your 12 year old son came home with a high schooler and told you, "This is the woman I'm going to marry."
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>>68197745
that would actually explain how TLA could be so good where TLOK is just decent.
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>>68198458
>makorra
That's not a crowning ship moment
That's just two characters on the same team.
Literally nothing special
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>>68198458
>Sokka going apeshit and jeopardizing their mission to interrogate Azula on Suki's whereabouts

Oh shit, I forgot about that. Anybody know what episode?

Sokka was character development embodied, would of loved to see him still act a spastic as an old man.
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>>68198442

How long is it until tumblr complains about Korrasami being fap fodder for dudes? I already see it on places like IGN.
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>>68198455
That doesn't add anything nor contribute to their asspull ending. "Thanks, you're so sweet" is a common complement among girls, you basement dweller.
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>lesbian end
>bad writing
>pandering to lgbt crowd
>muh forever_alone.jpg end
I mean I know you guys are mad about it but it's still funny.
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>>68198457
No, it comes naturally out of Book 3's finale and Korra and Asami's interactions in Book 4. It feels like they skipped a couple of steps, but look at how Mai and Zuko got together entirely offscreen.
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>>68198454
>That's retarded. What if your 12 year old son came home with a high schooler and told you, "This is the woman I'm going to marry."
Son i am proud
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>>68198486
It's from a poll.
I doubt there was a poll about how much of /co/ likes tacos.
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>>68198378
Not only the first few weeks, but the worst of her depression too. When Korra left for the south pole, she didn't have circles around her eyes anymore. I kind of wish we saw some of that healing though.
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>>68198458
>Aang refusing to let go of Katara because of how much he loves her and showing how his love for the air nomads got reborn into his love for Katara

Then he does let go of her, then Azula kills him, then a rock saves him so he never had to let go of her in the first place?
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>>68198530
It's only kind of funny.
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>>68198517
We got our yuri ending. We'll masturbate, but we won't be happy about it.
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>>68198536
>Mai and Zuko got together entirely offscreen
They had like 30 years offscreen tho...
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>>68198545

Yeah I wish Korra Alone could of been a two parter , the first part could of been mostly about that.
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>>68198536
Different anon, but I saw nothing but close friends. Asami, after hating Korra (and vice versa), started to take care of her out of caring. You don't have to be gay in order to take care of someone. Friends do this shit all the time.
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>>68198517
3,2,1... now.

It's almost mind boggling how much emphasis some people are putting on the supposed greatness of Korasami. They act like they're the new Romeo and Juliet of bisexuality rather than a hamfisted attempt to prop up a ignominious ending with shoddy pandering.
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>>68198468
>The poor writing crippled the series and the show's ending only reinforced this imo.

I don't think good writing would have increased the show's viewership among kids 10-13, which is where Nick makes its money via advertising.

Once it failed with them, even Emmy worthy writing wasn't going to save it.

The poor writing was just incidental.
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>>68198542
Oh a poll? Well never mind than.
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>>68198580
>Different anon, but I saw nothing but close friends. Asami, after hating Korra (and vice versa), started to take care of her out of caring. You don't have to be gay in order to take care of someone. Friends do this shit all the time.

Thank you, that's exactly the crux of the issue. Friends could do that shit all the time and there needs to be an effort made to show that they're doing things for each other as more than friends.
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>>68198454
Katara was 14, son, as was Azula. Mai and Ty Lee were 15, Zuko, Sokka, and Suki were 16. Aang and Toph were 12.
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>>68198493
>He doesn't get to complain about somethinjg he doesn't even watch

well now he probbaly won't thanks to this forced lesbian bullshit. praised be our progressive overlords bryke
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>>68198580
of course they can, but in retrospect it's pretty damn obvious what they meant it to be read as, there was set up it's just really subtle and understated.
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>>68198586
I don't remember ATLA's demographics and stats, but the show had consistent writing for the most part, whereas LOK drove along a plot-filled bumpy as fuck road. Books 1 and 2 were just painful to sit through. Book 3 had its share of problems, but the writing and the character interactions improved, book 4 regressed and it ended fairly weak (Korrasami included).
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The biggest problem I have with Korrasami is that it's not consistent with the show we got. You shouldn't watch Books 1-2 then Books 3-4 and come to a completely different conclusion about Korra and Asami after about 1.5 episodes of shitty hints.
>tfw Korra x Kuvira seemed more intimate

And that's the last goddamn shot we get of an entire series, that Korrasami is some romantic power couple that will last forever when really it should be a vague exploration point.

But no, good ol' Bryke gotta go on a tumblr rant because people didn't get how perfect their pairing was. It's not our fault they're shitty ass writers.

Lin's last fucking moment is spent staring at a kebab. Let that sink in.
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>>68198569
>They had like 30 years offscreen tho...

Korra and Asami had many months offscreen as well, where it was pretty clearly shown that they were bodning to the point where Asami has become Korra's sole emotional confidant.
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>>68198613
Lmao, there's nothing subtle about it, anon. Friends do that all of the time.
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Lesbians are but a myth, they will grow out of that gay phase and turn back to men.
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>>68198515
Day of Black Sun.

>>68198501
I'd say "that's nice honey come talk to me again about it when you're 18" and see if she could stick with her new "wife" for 6 years. If they can manage that maybe they should get married.
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>>68198559
It's very funny. People are mad but in an eloquent way.
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>>68198632

>offscreen

That's a classic Bryke play from their playbook, why bother developing something when you can just pretend stuff happened in a narrative void?
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>>68198632
>See! Off screen means it wasn't asspulling at all!
I sometimes question the stupidity of people.
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>>68198632
>Korra and Asami had many months offscreen as well, where it was pretty clearly shown
No, it wasn't shown at all.

Only referenced later. Very conveniently.
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>>68198632
>>68198536

Can we just agree that both shows do romance badly and be done with it?

I still think Korrasami was done better than any of the freaking S1 relationships.
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>>68198613
Yo. I heard there was a lesbian ending and I seriously thought it was gonna be kuvira x Korra from the way there fight went. Asami wasn't even on my radar.
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>>68198039
I come from the same thing. I'm not against the idea of of having a bi/gay protagonist in family shows. We see people more people open about it so we shouldn't act like it's taboo still.

But as writing ploy it's just by hearing about I can tell it's something pulled out of thier ass to get lots of attention to "finish strong" and be unique.

I mean I could imagine as close friends, like "sister from another mister, female bros kind. But seeing them getting a long well and being tight and being a couple can be two very different thing
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>>68198678

That's why I wish they would have just gave up on them. Korra alone was the best ending, and we almost fucking got it.
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>>68198678
Korrasami is just as worse than book 1's, if not the worst since it was a last second reveal.
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Simmer, thread. Simmer. We're getting dangerously close to this.

Let's just stay focused on the fact that romance has never been interesting in Korra.
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Christ, this is just like the ending of ATLA again, endless fucking shipping arguments. Fucking Avatar fandom.
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>>68198680
Did you only watch the finale?

If you only watch ATLA's finale, you'll think that it's leading to Zutara.
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>>68198702
Fuck off Bryke
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>>68198698
>forced drama that is Makkora
>better than out of the blue Korrasami
I don't think so.
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>>68198620
People seem to forget that when season of Korra ended that was suppose to be it, but in mid-july they got two additional seasons. No shit writing would be bad for the next season because they absolutely had no game plan and needed to improvise.
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>>68198678
I don't know man, masami was pretty well done.
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>>68198631
>Lin staring at a kebab

it implied Lin is hungry for cock and would end up like Toph
Bravo Bryke
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>>68198720
And forced Korrasami is better? Double standards much, anon?
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>>68198631
Kyvira korra did NOT seem more intimate you fucking mongoloid. Quit taking that picture out if fucking context faggot. There was zero romance in the actual scene, asshole.
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>>68198468
>Bryke's hilarious tumblr posts later to confirm Korrasami showed that they're both morons.

They honestly, and I'm not saying this to be sarcastic or over generalize or anything like that, are fanfiction authors. The way they write, their single minded enthusiasm for a single idea or thought blown far out of proportion, their constant belief that their work has far more gravitas than it actually does. If these stupid fucks (by that I mean animators with no formal writing training) didn't have Korra as a podium to vomit onto the world they'd be online furiously fapping away writing about their own characters.
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>>68198698

id much rather have a pairing that's just too understated than one that's fucking annoying every time it gets a scene and that has so much drama around that it that it consumes half the season.
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>>68198620
>>I don't remember ATLA's demographics and stats

Very popular with its target demographic. It had a large tertiary following that skeweed older, but Nick wasn't really after them.

>>but the show had consistent writing for the most part

Totally incidental to it's popularity among its target audience. Little kids didn't get into ATLA because of it's "wit" and "mature topics". That's why older audiences enjoyed it.

Every Witch Way, Spongebob Squarepants, Sanjay and Craig, and the Ninja Turtles are Nick's 3 most popula shows with their target demographic at the moment.
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>>68198577
God fucking...

Why is it that every single problem with this show can be traced back to Nick only giving them ~12 episodes a season?

Imagine a world where we got ~20 episodes a season with the same amount of plot per season. Imagine all of the good character development we could have gotten.

Fuck, I mad now.
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>>68198738

Just like Korrasami. How convenient.
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>>68198735
Of course, because lesbians duh!
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>>68198738
There was definitely a romantic connection. You are delusional, wait until Bryke confirms it.
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>>68198730

Masami is literally MAKO GETS HIT BY MOTORCYCLE, FINDS ASAMI HOT, ASAMI LIKES PRO BENDING THEY DECIDE IT'D BE GREAT TO FUCK!
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>>68197646
She talked her into turning herself in only after she had defeated her giant mecharobot and army
I'm not sure Korra succeeded solving any conflict peacefully
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>>68198722
They panicked and rushed out garbage. It further shows how incompetent they are.
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>>68198735
>forced
How can it be forced when it was added at the last moment? You don't have time to react to it and hate it. Meanwhile, you had Makorra ruin S1 with their boyfriend/girlfriend bullshit.
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>>68198783
Sounds pretty real to me.
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>>68198738
Wow you fucking shitlord way to oppress the LGBTBBQ+2 community, just because you can't see through your heteronormative privilege doesn't mean it doesn't exist!
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>>68198610
>now he probbaly won't thanks to this forced lesbian bullshit
I care. Look how much I care. The guy dropped it 2 seasons ago and didn't see fit to pick it back up. I don't see what gives you the idea he would have if it wasn't for lesbians (which are like 15 seconds of screentime in 19+ hours of show).
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>>68198768
Except for the evidence in this very thread, you lazy shitposter.
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>>68198517
>Mike and Bryan realize most of the Korrasami supporters are dudes fapping to the porn
>realize what they've done
>try to fix it in the comics and downplay the romance
>tumblr boycotts them
>porn stops production and dudes boycott them
>Bryke run out of money and turn to a life of crime

It's like poetry.
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>>68198098
to be fair animals had a very special meaning to Aang. Not so much Korra, but still just average person usually very close to their pet. But I haven't watched Korra in awhile, did she really just ditch Naga? I hope they have special just for my inner dog person to fix that
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>>68198747

An yet ,they wrote Avatar, a highly succesgull kids show, you did not.

If you want something with depth and real character development, read War and Peace and stop watching cartoons.
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>>68198760
>Very popular with its target demographic. It had a large tertiary following that skeweed older, but Nick wasn't really after them.

I don't think anything action orientated could garner the same response anymore. Kids want short easy access randomness and no commitment to making a timeslot.
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>>68198804
Fucking slash shipper logic. "With their girlfriend and boyfriend shit", please.
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>>68198738
You gotta take off that hetero lens, homophobe
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>>68198784
It's better than beat Kuvira up or kill her, even aang's solution to all problem, energy bend would not scratch Kuvira's ambition.
And honestly, would anybody surrender with a giant robot and thousands of small mechs at their side?
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>>68198711
EVERY FANDOM IS AFFECTED BY POINTLESS SHIPPING. GO TO NURUTO THREAD? SHIPPING. GO TO EVA THREAD? SHIPPING. GO TO SNK THREAD? SHIPPING. GO TO BLEACH THREAD? SHIPPING. GO TO [INSERT SHOW HERE] THREAD? SHIPPING.

FUCKING SHIPPERS
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>>68198783
And Korrasami is KORRA IS JEALOUS OVER ASAMI BECAUSE SHE TOOK HER BONER AWAY FROM HER AND THEN MAGICALLY THEY SET ASIDE THEIR HATE AND BECAME FRIENDS AND THEN INEXPLICABLY BECAME LOVERS!
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>>68198832
You need to pull your ass out of that hetero lens.
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>>68198735

Nobody liked Makkora, Korrasami was the most liked pairing and at least it made sense.
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>>68198836
No but it isnt that much of a victory when she's already defeated
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>ITT: hetero lenses
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>>68198819

I know, Wuko had an intimate romance as well. Some people just can't see the subtext.
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>>68198847
Byran, you need to pull your ass out of the writing room.
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>>68198735
It being tacked on at the end means that it didn't intrude on the rest of the plot like Makorra did.
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>>68198851
Korrasami was the most liked pairing
[citation needed]
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>>68198837
This is why you are single.
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>>68198658
>That's a classic Bryke play from their playbook, why bother developing something when you can just pretend stuff happened in a narrative void?

Yes it is. They did it with Mako and Asami. They did it with Zhu Li and Varrick. They did it with Bataar Jr and Kuvira.

People who had professional/friendly relationships just hook up between the time skips and go, "Hey, we're an item now".


>>68198663
>>>See! Off screen means it wasn't asspulling at all!


Just aying that it's not any more/less asspulling than Bryke NORMALLY does.

>>No, it wasn't shown at all.

You didn't the scene where Korra and Asami talk about being each others' first real female friends, where Asami dresses Korra weeks after she was poisoned, or how Korra wrote only to Asami because she explictly said that she didn't feel she could talk to anyone else about what she was going through.

I'm not saying it's obvious they were lesbians, but it WAS obvious that they had a relationship that was rapidly approching "Best Friends 4Life".
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>>68198761
They'd probably still have fucked it up. Not enough actual pro writers.
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>>68198869

>Korrasami was the most masturbated to pairing

Fixed.
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>>68198804
>How can it be forced when it was added at the last moment?
>You don't have time to react to it and hate it.
Are...are you serious?
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That they had to come right out and say "yes, it's canon," after days of intense debate is probably the most obvious sign that they did a poor job of establishing it in the show itself.
few are mad that Korrasami is canon. Most are mad that the "development" of it is completely non-existant as there's no actual romantic interaction between them until the very last scene of the series, just a bunch of things that can very easily be read as platonic interactions between two people who are best friends/as close as family while Bryke and most people like scream that it can only be interpreted in the way that matched up with your headcanon so anyone who disagrees is wrong.

There's no fucking indication at all that any of their interactions are strictly romantic and because of it people criticized Bryke and rightly so. Bryke, instead of just admitting they could've done a better job go

>Nope, it was just too subtle. Maybe take off the heteronormative glasses. :)

for me it's that smug condescision that's irritating the fuck out of me. Bryke can't do anything wrong and their legion of praise the writers for this gift fans will tell you the same.

Someone a few days back said it best: people are going to ignore all of LoK's faults because their preferred ship was confirmed at the end and that's exactly what's happening. They're using things that happened in the show as retroactive evidence when before most people just used it as headcanon justification since there was nothing in the show to indicate that they were actually going down that route because none of their interactions were overlty, unambiguously romantic with no room for seeing as platonic. This does not make Bryke masters of subtle storytelling, it makes them shitty writers and hacks.
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>>68198323
>he admits he was following Miyazaki's advice
>then he admits that Miyazaki was wrong, and instead of not having the guy and girl get together, the girl could get together with the girl
That part was so fucking nonsensical as well. Miyazaki's point in the exact paragraph Bryan quoted is that when you have male and female protagonists who care for each other, they shouldn't have to enter into or be in a romantic relationship (as was common in the time Miyazaki began film-making, certainly in say, Disney films). Declining to have them enter a romance shows how men and women can be friends, equals and allies and that everything doesn't just happen for the sake of getting / rescuing the girl.

In what way is having girls fall in love any sort of "counterpoint" (to quote Bryan) to that? Then he starts rambling about queer representation as though somehow Miyazaki's position was against any and all romance between characters, specifically gay ones. If Miyazaki cared enough to give the shit the time of day I'd like to see his response.
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I get it. This show wasn't made for me. I watched Avatar cause I like adventure, the eastern aesthetic and spirituality, the fight choreography, and the story.

I didn't care about shipping. I liked AtLa and I wanted AtLA. I'm not the audience they chose to pursue. And that makes me sad.
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>>68198862
>yfw there are people that actually believe in wuko
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>>68198857
Fuck off, you dipshit. Go back to tumblr and pander to the masses. It's the only thing you're good at.
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I'm starting to think that it's the same shitposters in every thread.

We need more love.
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>>68198818
>19+ hours of your life will never have back because you watched this shit

I regret everything.

i regret everything
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>>68198842
So you're saying enemies can't become friends and later can't become lovers? Isn't two people who initially hate each other then end up together a common plot?
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>>68198807
I know your trolling, but I wouldn't care if kovirra happened, I just want people to stop using that shitty out of context screen shot to fuel some shitty arguement that there was more romance between those two than korrasami.
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>>68198783
>Masami is literally MAKO GETS HIT BY MOTORCYCLE, FINDS ASAMI HOT, ASAMI LIKES PRO BENDING THEY DECIDE IT'D BE GREAT TO FUCK!

Total asspull.
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>>68198862
Anon, lets push Wuko, hope Bryke-senpai will notice this ship.
Then we will have Tenzin go out of the closet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWKIpOuj9o
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>>68198827
Not him but Ehsatz or however you write it was head writer on TLA, and there was a team of 27 total writers to LoK's 5.
>If you want something with depth and real character development, read War and Peace and stop watching cartoons.
I agree with this point tho.
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>>68198901

Man I can't remember the last time Iv seen SO MUCH FANART of a single scene. It's honestly pretty crazy, I forget how huge the Avatar fandom is sometimes.
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>>68198901
>omg the shitlords criticizing the way my ship went canon

Back to tumblr
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>>68198887
Agreed
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>>68198910
I suppose the intended message we're supposed to get from those kind of posts is that Korrasami had no romantic buildup, only friendly
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>>68198869
This is true after how hated the romance with Mako in season 1 was, and after Bolin went full retard, Korrasami was the most logical choice other than not doing romance at all.
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>>68198888
Miyazaki doesn't have time to respond to fan fiction writers.
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>>68198883
Cleverly placed in and no one suspected it. You have to give credit where credit is due.
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>>68198910
No, you just can't pick up on it.

You are now realizing how retarded the argument you've been using is.
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>>68198901
I want comics. Enough Spirit Hand Holding, I want humor and heart-warming shit.

Like this
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>>68198903
I feel your pain bro
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>>68198910
>>68198898

There was more Wuko romance than Korrasami romance. I know this for a fact because a shipper confirmed it to me.
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>>68198898
The subtext is there. At least on Wu's side.
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>>68198931

no need to be mad, embrace the love.
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>>68198837

See I have no problem with shipping, It's fun to do but people take it so fucking seriously. I remember after ATLA's finale you had hundreds of fucking Zutara shippers crying about how BRYKE FUCKING BROKE THEIR HEARTS.
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>>68198883
Yeah, he is, he's just using a different meaning of "forced". It's literally 15 seconds of screentime of 2 chicks holding hands, nothing compared to the shitty romantic plots of B1.
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>>68198903
I'm glad I gave up at season 2. This such an attention whore of a move to finish strong it seems. I would felt cheated easy.
But man look at that at the attention bi Korra is getting from an ass pull.
Jesus
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>>68198947
Necklaces are NWT tradition, Korra is SWT. R U I N E D
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>>68197025
>End up making a decent show but it won't be as remembered as much as it should
It was shit. It should be remembered as being shit.
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>>68198947
Why did Asami win? She's not even hot and she looks like a cheap slut with all that makeup. Korra deserves better.
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>>68198954
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>>68198903
Then stop being a fag.
Go do something else instead of adding to that number by shitposting for hours about how terrible the show is.
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>>68198957
Just as soon as you admit that Bryke are hacks.
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>>68198969
>Necklaces are NWT tradition, Korra is SWT. R U I N E D

Korra's father is Northern Water Tribe.
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>>68198960
>Zutara shippers crying
Still salty to this day.
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>>68198946
Actually, I just realized how retarded the people who post on 4chan are.

Co and v are cancer incarnate.
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>>68198988
I can't imagine he has much love for the NWT after being banished because they all loved Unalaq, and she was raised solely in the SWT
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Probably one of the worst thing about the series ending is that fact we will never get a soundtrack for it. I've gotten emotional over a few soundtracks and songs here and there but Jesus fuck ATLA and Korra's soundtrack are great.
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>>68198975
Opal seemed kinda pointless, I think Bolin should of hooked up with Korra.

But then Bolin deserves better.

>>68198997
>And yet he remains, still posting
Think about it
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>>68198997
Stay assmad and stupid.
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>>68198997
Korra threads are the worst of /co/ when it comes to shitposting.
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>>68198898

Dude, Wu is pretty obviously into Mako. And his mannerisms are really typical gay.
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>>68199022
BORRICK BEST SHIP AND YOU ALL KNOW IT
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>>68198985
>>Just as soon as you admit that Bryke are hacks.

They're hacks. Not for giving us delicious Korrasami, but just in general. They attempt to inject adult material into kids' cartoons, but are hamstrung by the fact that you cant really show that kind of stuff in a kid's cartoon, and they aren't good enough writers to get it across under the radar.

ATLA was more bearable because it was, at heart, light hearted fare with only the occasional foray into darkness, but would always immediately go back to light hearted idealism.

Korra tried to be more serious and stumbled all over itself.
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>>68199022

Opal honestly should of taken most of Kai's role in Book 3, now THAT'S a pointless character.
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>>68199037
But Wu talks about how into girls he is all the time!
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>>68198997
Still posting and reading.
Fag
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>>68199014

I really don't know why Nick doesn't just release on Itunes, Zukerman WANTS too. I understand they don't want to do phyiscal since the cost of production might not be worth it but putting it up on Itunes really shouldn't cost much at all should it?
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>>68199057
That's Jinorah's husband.
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>>68198985

Every single author of fiction is a "hack" according to someone, just accept that people like different things and that your expectations were too high for this show.
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>>68198827
>An yet ,they wrote Avatar, a highly succesgull kids show.

No they actually did not write it, they brainstormed the generalities of the setting but Aaron Ehasz and his team of actual writers brought it to life and apparently kept Brykes dumb ideas in check.

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Aaron_Ehasz

>you did not.

I'm assuming you didn't either yet here we are having this little discussion.

>If you want something with depth and real character development, read War and Peace and stop watching cartoons.

You took the time to come to a subforum of a site devoted to comics and cartoons to tell us all that animation can't have "depth and real character development" and we need to look elsewhere for that? Well why don't you politely go fuck yourself.
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>>68199002
>I can't imagine he has much love for the NWT after being banished because they all loved Unalaq, and she was raised solely in the SWT

The thing about people who are banished is that they are FORCED to leave. They don't leave because they hate the culture of the place they live. They leave because some other people in power say they can't live there anymore.

Just like if your president/prime minister/governener/whatever said you couldn't live in your home country, would you stop speaking the language, eating of its food, celebrating holidays, or any of the other traditions you grew up with?
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>>68196857
Why are people pissed that fans unsatisfied of the ending? It's the bad writing and attention seeking of making them Lesbains/Bi. Not the damn fact the they are Lesbains/Bi. Don't new statistics show that most people in the 1st world are rather accepting of the gay community now?

Tumblr chill fuck out and look at the real shit fest. Can a badly written relationship happen from any gender match? can't seeing that is really baised
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>>68199056
Full on avatar state water tentacles with metal chain, rock dildo, suffocating and fire bdsm porn.
Just wait till some horny guys commision it.
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>>68199068

Deflection obviously, unlike Korra he's ashamed of his gay.

actually come to think about it how the fuck DOES the Avatar world feel about the gay?
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>>68199057
He was literally there so they could reincarnate Aang (didn't work)

At first it seemed like they were gonna develop that character a lot more. The longer this show ran, the more it seemed like they were writing it on the fly and then out of nowhere (more so than korrasami)

Kuvira Ikari and he Platinum Evangeliion!
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>>68199086
I don't consider an author to be good if they say "lel you interpreted the 'subtle' hints the wrong way, take those hetero glasses off shitlord ;-)"
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>>68199101
If banished unjustly I'd be like yeah fuck them guys, they didn't listen to me and cast me out
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>>68199081

the problem with Kai is that he had no real meaningful connection to anyone BUT Jinora, they seemed like they were gonna do something with him and Mako and Bolin but then he left for the Air Temple so it was moot.

Opal on the other hand has connections to Bolin, Su, Lin and Kuvira, so she got quite a bit of time in Book 4 while Kai got pretty much none. Opal was a decent side character but Kai was a pointless one.
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>>68198940
>not doing romance at all
Now there's an idea. Too bad any cartoon trying to be taken seriously will always try to fulfill some romance quota.
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>>68196857
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgeldBSHdBM
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>>68199116
Well I read somewhere the spirit world is mainly republican so those two are in for a surprise.
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>>68199095
>You took the time to come to a subforum of a site devoted to comics and cartoons to tell us all that animation can't have "depth and real character development" and we need to look elsewhere for that?
I think he's saying they factually *don't* (not can't) have "depth and real character development", and that you should look somewhere else for that if you actually want to find it
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>>68199107
Because you're trying to mask your hate for the gay ending by saying that the whole series is badly written. Can't you just come out and say that you hate the lesbian ending? It would be easier that way.

>Can a badly written relationship happen from any gender match?
>implying human relationship is simple
>implying you know how relationship works between two people
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>>68199107
Thank you. Despite tumblrs neigh constant need to feel oppressed no one really has any problems with Korra and Asami getting together we have a problem with fact that they're bi/lesbians propping up the whole show with unwarranted attention. Love the show or hate it but don't do either for a last minute asspull.
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I think we are missing the REAL important question here, who is the Dom and who is the Sub in the relationship?
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>>68199182
>Because you're trying to mask your hate for the gay ending
Not him but fuck off and please do take your victim complex with you.
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>>68198997
I just came back to 4chan after awhile and check out a few boards. /co/ shitty as it is not as bad some. I forgot how /tv/ was so pretentious, holy fuck, I was considered a "normalfag" for agreeing with the masses and defending why it's okay too. Don't forget shit like /r9k/ or /pol/
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>>68199130
>If banished unjustly I'd be like yeah fuck them guys, they didn't listen to me and cast me out

It matters who cast you out.

"I don't eat hamburgers, listen to Rock and Roll, or drive FORD cars."

"Why?"

"I don't like President Obama. He had me forcibly deported."

Do you know how retarded that sounds?

Most people who are banished/exiled from their home country actually end up moving to another community with the same culutral values in another country. They tend to stay in contact with one another and their homeland.

Very rarely does one totally turn their back on their entire way of life due to the political machinations of a handful of asshats. They usually have lived in their home country long enough to know that not everyone is like that.

Now people who WILLINGLY leave because they hate the conditions at home are a whole different story.
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>>68198712
No. I watched the whole thing. I totally wanted Korra and Asami to bang too. I just felt like Bryke had completely forgotten that Asami existed. She felt mostly irrelevant to me. And when Kuvira and Korra's fight started to get weirdly intimate I thought they were gonna make out.
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>>68199182
>this false flagging
Fuck off, /v/.
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>>68199201
Asami is the dom: chairwoman of future industry, the 2nd brightest engineering mind of the rc and experienced lover.
Korra is the avatar, but that's it. And she also have large pain tolerance.
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This is Dumbledore is gay 2.0, awful

Shipping is truly cancer
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>>68198881
EHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
I want to believe~
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>>68197248
They were being ambiguous about it on purpose because christian censors. But now that the show is over, they could confirm it without fear or backlash from Nick. They're never going back to Nick anyway so fuck Nick.
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>>68199182
>Because you're trying to mask your hate for the gay ending by saying that the whole series is badly written. Can't you just come out and say that you hate the lesbian ending? It would be easier that way.

That's not what he's saying at all, holy fuck. Your persecution complex is overwhelming so let me spell this out...

NO ONE CARES THAT KORRA AND ASAMI ARE BI/LESBIANS

Okay now that we've gotten that out of the way you might be able to understand that the reason people are upset is because it was a very poorly fleshed out and implemented relationship REGARDLESS of the gender of the two parties. People are propping it up just because they're "LEZBIANS" rather than looking at how hamfistedly the whole thing was handled (once again) REGARDLESS of their sexes.

>>Can a badly written relationship happen from any gender match?

Yes

>>implying human relationship is simple

No but they do tend to follow general trends.

>>implying you know how relationship works between two people

Most of us have a pretty good idea.
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>>68199182
>30 seconds of an asspull relationship should determine 48 episodes of a series

Fuck.
You.

You're the reason why female characters are written badly.
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>>68199050

Take off the /nostalgia goggles bro, ATLA had just as much shipping speculation and pandering as Korra. The fact that it ended in clear cut vanilla romance is an entirely different point.
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>>68199182
But I love the lesbian ending. Literally the best decision they've ever made.

Bryke are still smarmy ass holes who made a mediocre action cartoon.
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>>68198910
No actually it's a valid argument for those who claim Bryke couldn't go any further in the subtle hints because Nick wouldn't allow it.

Korra and Asami literally had a handful of minutes this entire season with any kind of reaction. You're telling me they couldn't add

>Asami accompanying Korra on the trip to face Zaheer for emotional support

>Have Korra bat an eyelash when Asami gets ejected from the hummingmech and her father gets squashed

>have maybe a close-up of Asami's worried face when looking for Korra instead of Mako's in the last 10 minutes of the show.

There's proof as much in that blog. Bryke liked both ideas of Korra with Asami or Korra alone. They chose on the latter and wrote the entire season as such. Then decided last minute to tack on their original idea as if it would still hold strong and fit organically with the rest of the season. It was shit writing. Plain and true.
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>>68199107
>Don't new statistics show that most people in the 1st world are rather accepting of the gay community now?

Not US parents with kids between the ages of 10 and 13. Those parents are usually between their late twenties and early forties, and while they're more open to the idea of same sex couples, they don't necessarilly want their kids watching shows where the main character is openly flirting and making out with people of the same gender.

That and networks tend to be run by older folks, and they aren't particularly keen on it either.

So you have a strange gray area. Which is why the lead up was so vague. If you don't like the idea of same sex couples, you could easily write it off. If you think people should actively campaign for same sex couples' equality, it's obvious. If you just really don't give a fuck, then it's there, but just poor writing. And there's a million variances in between those options.

Suffice it to say, depictions of homosexual relationships in the US is not a cut and dry topic.
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>muh tokenism
>muh shoehorned

Let me translate: "I'm a whiny dick, possibly a troll, who wants to get buttmad anytime LGBTBBQ shows up in anything or is alluded to in anything"
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>>68199182
I didn't even freaking say the WHOLE thing was badly. I liked a lot in the begining at thats why found this disappointing.
And got I have to be honest, it's disgusting you think I hate gay people just I think an ending of a fictional show wasn't well written.

I gave no implications of hating any sexuality, not even what my sexuality is even. I have close friends that mean a lot to me that are gay then suddenly I have a different opinion something trivial I'm a homophobe

Fuck you
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>>68199325
Rewrite that but more obviously. I double dare you.
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>>68198361
All those happen to be true, though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgeldBSHdBM
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>>68199325
This tactic isn't working any more, you're starting to look desperate.

This isn't a tumblr vs. /pol/ morality fight. It's a debate about writing and storytelling, and whether Korrasami (and LoK as a whole) was well written.
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>>68198555
>Then he does let go of her, then Azula kills him, then a rock saves him so he never had to let go of her in the first place?
No, he does. But then he's killed, and brought back. All the energy associated with the Avatar State was blocked around his scar, physically. When Katara aggravated it it almost loosened it, but once it was struck it released it all, into a proper, danger-prone Avatar State. Once Aang calmed down and stopped himself from killing Ozai, the full control finally asserted itself, shown when he uses it to put out the fires.

Yeah, it was contrived, but at least it was set up.
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>>68199266
It's impossible not to attract shipping. Just look at Gravity Falls.
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>>68199302

People were kept on their toes and kept guessing. Some people like surprises and the fact that this ending pleased most of the fanbase, I don't see that as a failure.

Could they have put more interaction, how can we know if this is possible as outsiders of the production of the show? We can only speculate and by judging by Nickelodeons budget cuts they did not have that much freedom.

I think those who judge the whole show over a ship, judge this show way more strictly than it deserves.
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>>68199341
>I am very upset at the fact that they decided to put in "poorly written lesbians" at the end when they should have just put the already "established hetero couple" in the beginning of the series.
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>>68199188
>Love the show or hate it but don't do either for a last minute asspull.

If you don't do it as a "last minute asspull", you don't really get to do it all- when it comes to kids shows.

If they're revealed to be gay, you had absolutely zero evidence of anything. Even then, you never saw that character on the show again after they were confirmed gay- which was easy to do because the series was usually over by then.

And you only really do incidental characters. The lead(s) are never allowed to be anything but straight.

Really, if Korra didn't do it this way, they really wouldn't have been able to do it all. But again, that's pretty much how all of Korra's "adult" themes worked. They could never really show the actual horrors or real world consequences.

Because at the end of the day, it's a kid's show, and the Netowrk is only going to let you get away with so much.

Really clever writers can get stuff under the radar of less attentive execs. Bryke wasn't that clever and I'm thinking that execs were watching Korra fairly closely since it was going into some unexplored territory and was bombing among its intended demographic.
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>>68199324
I guess, but shouldn't be treated as taboo thing in media forever because it is a part of life. It shouldn't an as pull like this or be centered around it. But like
"oh yeah I like chicks rather than dudes"
"oh ok neat"
and the only difference would likely be they would go for women. A little bit struggles with bigot but they shouldn't do much more than that. All it is a sex interest and it should be seen as such.
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>>68197262
>Asami tells Korra that she likes her new haircut
HOLYSHIT IT WAS WRITEN IN THE FUCKING STARS! ALL ALONG.
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>>68199325
Please stop shoehorning green text into your projections.
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>>68199424
>The fail troll actually did it as well
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>>68199266
>Take off the /nostalgia goggles bro, ATLA had just as much shipping speculation and pandering as Korra. The fact that it ended in clear cut vanilla romance is an entirely different point.

Yeah, but ATLA stuck with the safer male/female romance. The idea of portraying a same sex relationship in ATLA is pretty much unthinkable because from the outset, the series wasn't setting out to be "more mature" like Korra.

I'm saying that ATLA had it easier because they took a kid's show and added some content that appealed to teenagers and adults.

Meanwhile Korra was trying to take what was essentially a show about teenagers/adults and dial it down to kiddy levels.

The former is much easier to pull off than the latter.
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Bryke defended their Makorra choice and whined about people not liking it after s1 ended. "Oh I guess people don't like seeing people hook up on screen!" "Those kids were meant for each other!" "This is teenage love!"

Going back and claiming they never meant for Mako and Korra to get together and it was always a story about lesbians is just painfully a lie. That whole plot about Korra having to take Mako away from Asami because "Asami wasn't the right woman for him, Korra was" (Thanks Pemma) Kissing him behind Asami's back, making fun of Asami when she was alone, flirting with Mako before the Amon fight. There was no lesbian undertones here, it was as blatantly heterosexual as you can get. That Bryan wants to pretend otherwise just shows how much of a shit writer he truly is.

They also gave way too much time with Mako/Korra alone doing things together if they meant for Korrasami to be 'hinted' at. You can say "Wahh, Nick wouldn't allow lesbians" all you want, but there was no reason they couldn't have built up their friendship first. They didn't. They wasted time with Mako and Korra, and then said Asami being gone for seven episodes meant she was secretly masturbating to Korra furiously offscreen.
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>>68199496
>implying it's not true
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>>68199410
>People were kept on their toes and kept guessing
No most of us weren't. Even most who shipped it as a crackship never believed there was enough evidence or build up to lead to a fluid progression of the pairing

Those that actually believed it might happen were the type of people who over analyze every little miniscule interaction between two characters in hopes of getting the possibility of their dream ship coming true. It could have been done with Tenzin/Korra and Mako/Wu and it would have actually had a stronger case for support than Korrasami did. Admit the writing was shit-tier and we can go home.
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>>68199544
>Still being re-trolled
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>>68199471
>I guess, but shouldn't be treated as taboo thing in media forever because it is a part of life. It shouldn't an as pull like this or be centered around it. But like

You may not think it does. Other people think it does. The Network isn't just thinking about TUMBLR, it also has to worry about all the soccer moms and enavgelists out there. They influence non-insignificant percentages of their market as well.

Which is why you can't just up and out have an openly gay protagonist galavanting about hooking up with members of the same sex in the same way heterosexual characters do.
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>>68199410

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People were kept on their toes and kept guessing. Some people like surprises and the fact that this ending pleased most of the fanbase, I don't see that as a failure.

There's a difference between people being kept on their toes and having no idea at all. We were all kept on our toes to find out if Toph and Sokka would work out or how Azula and Mai would would end but Korrasami, I'd say outside the most dedicated of shippers who saw meaning in everything no one had any fucking clue this was coming until the last second. That's not being kept on your toes that's just not having enough development.

>I think those who judge the whole show over a ship, judge this show way more strictly than it deserves.

When that's the last thing you see as the series ends it's going to be what you remember. That was Brykes choice, he chose to go out on this particular note so it's understandable that it's going to get judged on that especially considering the undue attention tumblr is putting on that particular facet of the show alone.
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>>68199582
So ignore the fact they already said they were destined to be together.
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>>68199565
Enjoy your narrow hetero lens.
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>>68199606
Your welcome.
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>>68199564
>No most of us weren't. Even most who shipped it as a crackship never believed there was enough evidence or build up to lead to a fluid progression of the pairing

This.

I was making jokes, sure. "Oh look. Asami is distracting Tenzin so she can have lesbian times with Korra!"

But the more they interacted in that last scene, the more I came to realize that shit was going down.

Even then, I felt like it was Bryke having a laugh at our expense.

Up until the moment where they're staring into each other's eyes while holding both hands and disappearing into the light.

To be honest, I'm still a little surprised.
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>>68199264
>>68199338
>falling for bait
Guys, he's literally just repeating the things that people ITT said annoyed them (namely saying that "criticizing the show is homophobic").
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>>68199351
Daily reminder of the spirit conspiracy.
>Korra was all over a fireboy's dick
>Hate Asami
>Got shot by spirit laser, consume Iroh's addicting "health" potion to fight CHAOS ATTACK, SON! Dump bf, became bff with asami
>Assami stayed in the rc all the time, exposed to spirits, start acting weird around her bff.
>Korra get shot by laser again
>They full gay nao.
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>>68199606
>Enjoy your narrow hetero lens.

Come on, trolling that obvious is a bit of a insult around here. Do better next time.
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>>68199530

No one has mentioned this yet but remember when they said they wouldn't do teen romance anymore after the outrage of season 2? Then they added that shit back in in season 4.

As if they're intelligent enough to know what goes by "muh progressive"'s
>Mako and Asami were put in too early and we felt that people wanted Korra and Mako
>Mako and Korra was unlikeable by many others and we thought it was cute. Guess no one likes teen romance in stories
>We thought Korra x Asami was great because it shows we're moving forward!

IT'S LITERALLY THE SAME THING. They just switched out a guy for a girl!
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>>68199582

>I was the original Korrasami shipper!
>I always wanted Korrasami to happen but I never thought I would!
>So I took what I thought to be a one season miniseries and made the two girls I totally wanted to be gay treat each other like shit over a guy!
>I'm so pro-gay!
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>>68199564

My point was, that having a surprising end to Korras relationship problems is not necessarily shit writing.

Could it have been better developed? Perhaps. But we can never know, with what Bryke were working on
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>>68199302
>>Asami accompanying Korra on the trip to face Zaheer for emotional support
>>Have Korra bat an eyelash when Asami gets ejected from the hummingmech and her father gets squashed
>>have maybe a close-up of Asami's worried face when looking for Korra instead of Mako's in the last 10 minutes of the show.

>b-but that's something that friends do
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>>68199116
>actually come to think about it how the fuck DOES the Avatar world feel about the gay?

I don't think it was ever addressed. The gender and sexuality attitudes in the Avatar world are much more modern than one would expect based on their technology level. Katara acted like a modern teenager from the start.
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>>68199638
It's almost like someone should make a spirit conspiracy comic with screen shots and text overlaid
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>>68199530
They responded way too much to the fan base. And you can really tell that popular online opinions really effected their decision making as the series went along.
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>>68199647
>Plans change retard.
What a solid rebuttal.
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>>68198982
>bryke cocksuker detected
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>>68199403
Shit, look at South Park!
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>>68199638

Such a bizarre series of events when you look at it like that. Had seen that posted before but never bothered reading it.
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>>68199683
>>They responded way too much to the fan base. And you can really tell that popular online opinions really effected their decision making as the series went along.


If they REALLY wanted to please the fanbase, they would have gone with Bolin/Korra or Bolin/Asami.

Korrasami was a crackship that nobody legitmately thought Bryke was going to entertain.
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>>68199440
They didn't HAVE do that way. They could of just made strong implication confirmed it later.
Look at jet

>Jet died right?
>it was off screen and there was a lot of implying but...
>OH yeah so dead

couldn't they something of the sort without losing the quality of the writing?
Infact shouldn't the quality come freaking first verses just "hey character is bi everyone!!!".

Yeah sure thats ballsy on Nick, go for you. But what about having a good quality animated show? I thought that mattered a lot to you guys
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>>68199712
>They totally weren't making it up as they went
Please explain mecha-kuvira then

>thisgonbgood.jpg
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>>68199683
So true, especially when compared to much of TLA which seemed far more like "oh were aware of what fans want and we might tease them about it but we'll give them what we give them in the end". Korra felt like Bryke would sit in his office in the dark for hours at a time googling each episode reading reviews laughing and crying about what fans thought of him. This of course eventually led him to tumblr which was the beginning of the end.
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>>68199471
Eh. Having them literally announce their sexuality feels a bit stunted. I only know one gay guy and I was the only one who deemed necessary to ask him confirmation that he was gay, everybody could apparently plainly see it.
I understand that Korrasami was certainly not lesbianism in plain sight, but it would still feel incomfortable having that announced as dialogue. You know, show don't tell and all that.
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WHAT WILL WE SHOEHORN INTO IKKI HERE?!?!?!?

SHES HUNGRY!!!!
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>>68199729

Ha. HAhAHA, Oh, you're serious. No, Korrasami was the number one ship on tumblr. And that's where Bryan took all his ideas from, tumblr.

>Mako and Korra broken up
>Korra and Asami munching carpet
>More Tahno
>Pemma and Tenzin kissing onscreen
>Toph showing up
>Asami's final speech was pulled word for word for tumblr posts over a year ago.
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>>68199737
They planned this back in season one when they introduced metalbending, according to Bryke they secretly built a time machine and went back to convince Toph to teach metalbending to everyone so they could one day build a giant mechasuit which of course paves the way for mecha dildos which confirmed KORRASAMI

>fuck you if you don't believe me.
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>>68199576
I well I know that but I'm just noticing how media is changing. Like when I was watch a live-action family show with my little sister, I shit you not, the the main parents were hanging out with mom's the were partners and the episode was featuring them.

It's people being gay in family is becoming more like "yeah thats a thing people come across" and less odd.
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>>68199366
>This isn't a tumblr vs. /pol/ morality fight. It's a debate about writing and storytelling

yeah yeah and you-know-what is about ethics in you-know-what-else.
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>>68199688
>retard wasting his time whining about something he doesn't like detected
>>>/tumblr/
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>>68199734
>They didn't HAVE do that way. They could of just made strong implication confirmed it later.

So holding both hands and staring into each other's eyes isn't a strong enough implication?

>>Look at jet

Character's dying is a way less touchy subject than same sex relationships in kid's shows. Seriously.

>>couldn't they something of the sort without losing the quality of the writing?


The quality of the writing was already lost. These are the same people who handled Korra/Mako trying to handle the delicate bomb that is the depcition of a homosexual relationship between the main characters of a show on NICKELODEON.

>>Yeah sure thats ballsy on Nick, go for you. But what about having a good quality animated show? I thought that mattered a lot to you guys


Having a good quality show is not what matters to Nick. They care about making money.

I understand what Bryke wanted to do, but between their writing and the fact that they had to deal with a kid's network, I'm not surprised that their handling of a homosexual relationship was not a work of art.

But I appreciate the effort, because I realize that with the way networks and kids animation work, that it still required a great deal of effort.
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>>68199790
Nah. Just nah.

>>68199797
Lol'd, I mean there was a train at the beginning of the series but if they had a giant robot why even put it on the train?
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>>68199790

Except they only thought they were getting one season. Korra was originally supposed to be a miniseries. Nick didn't greenlight more seasons until the end Which means whatever you saw in s1 was their original series ending.

That Bryan is trying to say now that he was totally up for some lesbians with that story just shows he wants tumblr praise over actually sticking to his own writing. I mean, god, Korra treated Asami like garbage in s1.
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>>68199737
I think they wanted to have a surprise effect. I also think that was dumb.
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>>68199783
>Ha. HAhAHA, Oh, you're serious. No, Korrasami was the number one ship on tumblr.

In the sense that it had the most porn.
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>>68199633
well can't me blame too much, it's not people aren't actually like that
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>>68199849

>Except they only thought they were getting one season. Korra was originally supposed to be a miniseries. Nick didn't greenlight more seasons until the end Which means whatever you saw in s1 was their original series ending.

>That Bryan is trying to say now that he was totally up for some lesbians with that story just shows he wants tumblr praise over actually sticking to his own writing. I mean, god, Korra treated Asami like garbage in s1.
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I'm just glad we'll get more art of a dark-skinned musclegirl and her lesbian partner. I don't care if it's Korra or not.
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>>68199818
Whether you're serious or trolling, fuck you and all that you stand for. You play into the hands of idiots and lower all fucking discourse to the level of the loudest, most obnoxious partisan idiots and then make EVERYONE out to be an obnoxious partisan idiot.

You are the reason the internet has gone to shit and reasonable people can no longer make their voices heard.
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>>68199729
I supported it, but it never crossed my mind that it had a hair's breadth of a chance.

Asami as a character felt totally irrelevant to me. Often it seemed like they gave her way more shit than they realized, so I chalked it up to bad writing.
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>>68199866
On /co/? It kind of is.
Pretty much any obviously SJW post on /co/ is confirmed for false flag/bait within minutes when the guy doesn't respond to anything.
Have you seen the threads about sexism in comics? They get pruned within minutes because it's obviously just some retard trying to stir shit up.
Get a better trolldar, anon.
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>>68198901
This is the only piece of art I have saved of them. The majority of their art is literally tumblr tier.
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>>68199286
I know that face. It's the same expression of unsuccesfully stifled envy that flashes across my own face every time I see my best friend and his girlfriend being cute. Lemme tell ya, anons -- both gay and straight. It's fuckin' weird being good friends with a couple and then finding yourself lusting after the guy and the girl.
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>>68199865
>Watch this thread die very shortly after I post this image from one of the artists.
>this image that was already posted in every other thread even before the episode was actually shown
That red pill doesn't look very red to me.
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>>68199918
usually it is but I thought tumblr was flooding in the thread, my bad...
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>>68199749
Remember when Bryke poked fun at all the Zutara fanart?

What happened?
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>>68199813
>Like when I was watch a live-action family show with my little sister, I shit you not, the the main parents were hanging out with mom's the were partners and the episode was featuring them.

As I said, it's cut and past. It's a complicated issues with multiple sides, and all of them are changing.

And yes, live action family shows- which also typically have viewers much older than Nick's 10 to 13 demographic- can go further with such themes.

And yes, things change with time. One day we'll all consider what happened on LoK rather tame because we'll have a kid's show that features a homosexual relationship as a critical part of the ongoing narrative- and it'll just be part of the show and not a statement about anything.
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Fucking lesbos
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>>68199934
Prove it. Go to the archive and prove it faggot.
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>>68197810
Why don't you fuck off, /co/ was love and he has some damn good advice.
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>>68199865
shes a story boarder not an animator, im sure theres been a lot of shit changed throughout the series
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>>68199586
>Korrasami, I'd say outside the most dedicated of shippers who saw meaning in everything no one had any fucking clue this was coming until the last second.

I dunno, I took note of Asami's "or anything" and so I kept a close watch on Korra and Asami's interactions in Book 4. And there was a lot supporting it: Asami offering to go with Korra to the South Pole, Korra only able to write to Asami, and the entire "Reunion" episode. By then, I was sure that Bryke were at least deliberately teasing the fandom with it, and might even be headed to an ambiguous "Korra is alone but there are hints that she's really with/going to be with Asami".
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>>68199963
>As I said, it's cut and past

Cut and dry. Cut and dry.
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>>68199286
Was Asami jealous of Korra.. or of Mako?
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>>68199933
This is why the whole group felt off to me. I get that they are supposed to have gotten over it, but we never really see them interacting as friends outside of the season finales, and most of the time they are just fighting together.

I found my self asking "why are they friends" over and over again as the seasons went along.

And where the fuck was my hotspring episode?
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>>68199987
Only fuel for the fire that it was forced.

You can't say that it doesn't look like it was forced.
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>>68199783
>Pemma and Tenzin kissing onscreen

This is pandering?
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>>68200023
you've never worked on a large animation project have you?
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>>68199992
>I dunno, I took note of Asami's "or anything" and so I kept a close watch on Korra and Asami's interactions in Book 4. And there was a lot supporting it: Asami offering to go with Korra to the South Pole, Korra only able to write to Asami, and the entire "Reunion" episode. By then, I was sure that Bryke were at least deliberately teasing the fandom with it

I made the same jokes as well, but I made them in the context of... "Oh Pema's totally has a cuckqueen/pregnancy fetish" or "Desna and Eska sleep in the same bed so they must be creepy incestuous twins" kind of way.

I *could* see where they could develop any of that, but since we're watching a Y-7 cartoon on Nickelodeon, there was no reason to ASSUME they would.
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>>68200010

Both, Asami is clearly a massive sex hound.
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>>68200073
And neither have you.
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>>68199899
I'd be proud if I could take personal credit for destroying all reasonable debate on the Internet.
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>>68200023
>You can't say that it doesn't look like it was forced.

As in someone had to argue for the idea because it's not one that just comes up and gets executed organically in the current enviroment of childrens' animation?

Yes. It was forced. All of Korra was forced, really.
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>>68200138
>Even though Bryke had been talking to Nick about this for a while apparently
Sure thing bro, the back pedalling is strong in here.
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http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=47662938

There is a new Noin doujin in 2014.
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>>68199987
>shes
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>>68200095
And that's why you're a terrible person. Because for all its flaws, 4chan threads at least used to read better than YouTube comments. Now there's very little difference.
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>Have to come out and confirm that two characters are in fact bisexual
>Proceed to take credit for writing a bisexual romance
I don't think you can take credit for writing something well if you have to come out and tell people that you wrote it.
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>>68200092
I was a sound designer for a large animation in school, im fairly familiar with how an animation storyboard works, she probably drew that scene with three frames one with them in front of the portal, another in it and the final with the end title, the animators only use it as a general guide with input from the directors
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>>68200157
>>Even though Bryke had been talking to Nick about this for a while apparently

Yeah, they had been. Just because you talked to someone for a while doesn't mean they immediately acquiesce to your requests and let you do whatever/whenever/however you want.

They said that it wasn't until later that Nick even let them put in a fricken hand holding scene.
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>>68200224
Pretty much, even some of my friends who weren't infested in the shipping saw it for what it was; a romantic ending.
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>>68199977
>SPOOONFEEEED ME!
Go fuck yourself. I'm just saying nobody cares about your pic because it's already been discussed.
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>>68200189
It was obvious to everyone not in total denial what that ending meant. They wanted to explain how they came to write it, since having a queer romance for the main character in a children's cartoon is a pretty historic thing.
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>>68200197
>large animation
>large animation in school
Well that's a fair comparison. And no.

>>68200201
Bryke stated Nick made it clear early on what the could and couldn't do.

Try again bitches.

>>68200275
Apparently some do. So you are incorrect, on two counts.
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>>68199979
>he has some damn good advice.
No he doesn't. He's literally just here because of the lesbian ending doing exactly what he tells others not to do.
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>>68200293
same concept, a storyboard for a low action scene like that isnt very big
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>>68200157
>reading comprehension
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>>68200293
>But as we got close to finishing the finale

>We approached the network and while they were supportive there was a limit to how far we could go with it, as just about every article I read accurately deduced.
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>>68200293
>Apparently some do.
Yeah, you do.
The other guy is just telling you that you don't even understand what you posted.

>on two counts.
kek, you can't count, can you?
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>>68199868
>tfw you can't write gay shit without having to be labeled as catering to tumblrinas/sjw/legbutt agenda
Damn shame don't you think?
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>>68200323
>Same concept
No, it isn't at all. And you were sound design anyway. So thanks for the insider knowledge of how a huge studio works.

>>68200352
>Those two lines
>Even being in the same paragraph

>>68200379
Now who's asspained

One image just blew you guys the fuck out and the best rebuttal you have is "I did a cartoon at school once". Tasty.
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>>68200424
you can look up storyboards, you dont have to be in a fucking studio to know this stuff
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>>68200424
>Now who's asspained
YOU ARE!

>One image just blew you guys the fuck out
Forty keks. And that's delectable.
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>>68200481
>NO U
That's it, you saved it right there anon lol
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>>68200504
I'm sorry, did you expect an actual response to
>U MAD
>#rekt
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>>68200424
Bryan said it himself that the storyboards changed.
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>>68200529
It's fine dude, you'll get over it. Don't worry.

>>68200551
Did he tell you this at school?
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>>68200586
It's on his tumblr in the korrasami post.
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>>68200586
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>mfw hearing the creators talk about LGTB "progress"
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>>68198899
rage moar fegit c:
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>>68200948

Progressives are delusional.

And no, it isn't that they wrote it. It's that they politicized it and they have a social agenda. I don't think those things belong in fiction. Then again, I'm not a very political person. I hate politics. All of it.

Like, let's say there are two writers and one is pro-gun ownership and the other is pro-gun control. And they write a similar story. But then the pro-gun presents only scenarios that present all guns in a positive light, and the other guy presents all guns in a negative light.

When that's not how it works because they're adding a new scientific law to their story. They add the law of 'The author of this work is always right'. Then you get a good author, an author who treats their work apolitically, and no matter what their views they'll represent guns for what they are. Sometimes they can be good. Sometimes they can be bad. It's not a political issue, it's about representing how reality works.

And similarly, we have people who want more LGBT representation and people who don't. And one side pretends the LGBT community does not exist...and the other will only allow positive portrayals of it.

It's shallow and immature. It's an amateur way of writing. With almost anything like that, there will be good and bad for it.

Writers need to be taught to portray, never to promote. It's obvious that guys like Byrke are here to promote, and overall that weakens the value of their artistic work because it detracts from suspension of disbelief and trust in the viewer's intelligence.
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>>68197694
>korraeatsass.jpg
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>>68197086
fact: TLA is much better than Korra
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>>68197128
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
fixed
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>>68201523
Korra threads in a nutshell.
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Reddit is busy praising the almighty Korrasami.
Tumblr is busy bashing the Makorra.
4Chan.. is bashing everything EXCEPT the animation. I think I will just stay here.
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>>68201614

A lot of us enjoyed LoK to some degree.

There's also a lot of shitters who are literally are just trying to hate the show and openly admit because they think it's cool and want to fit in~
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