>people hear about how Korra has a progressive lesbian character ending
>they come to watch the show expecting a well-built relationship between Korra and Asami
>they realise that it's shoe-horned in by Bryke at the end to get relevancy
>people expecting full blown lesbian ending
>realize they're still friends and that the lesbian feelings set in after the show is over
>they proceed to make cute and sexy pics of it
Makorra has Ikki and Jinora ask Korra if she likes Mako after only mostly arguing with each other and then they sleep leaning on each other in one episode, Korra doesn't look so approving of Asami/Mako in the next episode, and then we are told Korra's feelings for Mako and that apparently they seemed mutual at the beginning of the next episode by the narrator.
I just think Bryke have no middle ground at this point and that it could've been even shitter than what we got ... At least they showed a decent friendship despite only four scenes, one at the end of Book 3 and three in 4, other than the final scene having any romance intentions behind it.
>End up making a decent show but it won't be as remembered as much as it should
>"Shit man we're kinda sunk right here should we go to the back up?"
>"You know it man!"
>Cue Byran and Mike breaking open a glass display case with titled 'The Gay Gambit'
>Ends up getting their show a shitton more relevancy than when it's series premiered.
>Emmies fall into place as they confirm it.
>TV Networks are going to eat out their fucking hands because Progessive.
And I'm just sitting here, smiling as the porn rolls in.
I think you're giving people who watch a show just because they heard it has a progressive lesbian couple far too much credit for being able to critique things objectively. They'll just love it BECAUSE it had a progressive lesbian couple and ignore all the other glaring flaws.
Just as planned.
Not everything is a fucking agenda, Anon. It's fine if you want to see things that way, but not everyone is that money-grabbing. Bryke are clearly sincere about Korrasami, for better or worse. I think they should have gone with it more strongly, but even they have admitted now they pussied out on being explicit with it right til the end.
The problem people had with the ending wasn't resolved, it was still poorly developed and unbelievable. But because of the response from creators half of the fanbase just doesn't care enough to argue anymore and bounced out.
There were at least 3 or 4 active threads arguing about the finale a day ago, and now there are three Avatar threads total. 1 is an AU thread, 1 is a Kataang babies thread, and you have this one. It's sad to see the arguments go, because it was people embroiled in a debate over something they loved. Now it's just people saying "fuck this show, and fuck Bryan for being a smarmy cunt". It's not exclusive to here either, people on tumblr are leaving left and right.
We all know they had a love for the relationship, clearly as it seems like that had it in their shows fucking Bible before hand. Even speaking with the network heads and such they saw that it would be harder to actually implement so they settled on a means to an end. Over time they say how much the fanbase loved the pairing and due ever changing times they decided to develop their relationship into something more. But it's hard not to argue since they had this planned from the near beginning shows that's fucking brilliant with how you seen gay rights evolve over the past few years since the shows inception.
Asami seems like she is in love with Korra from the end of book 3 if you look closely. Korra's side is less well developed but still there.
Korrasami would have really benefited from a single additional scene right before the big battle where Asami hugs Korra or something and Korra has a sudden revelation.
To think even tumblr whales can clearly and concisely explain why Korrasami was badly handled.
Maybe if people read this they'd understand why Bryke didn't "do everything possible to spell it out" or that they could absolutely "make it more clear without pissing off censors".
Especially since Bryke admitted they were going for a Korra alone end until the last minute.
>Bryke had to come out and confirm the relationship
>People are still praising them for their writing and the finale
If they had to come out and confirm it, they didn't do a very good fucking job with showing that these two characters were romantically linked in the first place.
I like to imagine Korra is just really naive
>Asami is such a nice friend :3
>My hands are getting a bit sweaty
>The spirit world is pretty cool I suppose
>Why is she leaning in?
>I started re-watching Legend of Korra from the beginning just yesterday, so that I could see how much foreshadowing there was for Korrasami. So far all it's done is make me grin at every interaction between Korra and Asami and roll my eyes at Mako.
After Korra and Mako break up in the second season, Mako is pretty much never again characterized as a romantic option for anyone (although I think Wu had a teensy crush on him). It really is just Korra and Asami from there.
Asami is the one that Korra wrote to during her recovery. Asami tells Korra that she likes her new haircut and that she could not have borne the loss of both her father and Korra.
I know that people will deny it until Word of Lion Turtle is received, but it really doesn't get any clearer to me - everything else is just confirming what is already known.
And it seems like the government faked the moon landing if you look closely.
It's either there or it's not, and it wasn't. Bryke says they have feelings for each other, great, happy for everybody who's happy about that. But let's not pretend this was some grand master plan or that it was "subtle" or they any intention of including anything more significant toward it.
It was a last minute, end of the line bit of fanservice, and nothing more.
>Especially since Bryke admitted they were going for a Korra alone end until the last minute.
But that's wrong. They said that they decided to push it farther at the last minute, but everything else was still done. They were still going alone in the spirit world.
>Korra showed not a damn iota of attraction to Asami
Take your hetero lenses off.
You mean season two when Mako was pretty much on the verge of having them both at once? Yeah, really hinting hard at it when they're both taking advantage of the other to try and get back with him.
They said they weren't pushing for it at all because they thought they'd be censored, and only asked for the final scene, which is why it's so jarringly blatant.
But that shows some real lack of imagination on their part because there's a FUCKTON of shit they could have done to imply Korrasami without it being offensive.
She had a better reaction when Bolin complimented her, sport. And she made damn clear she wasn't attracted to him.
>the best looking girl, who Mako and Bolin's grandma thought was the avatar and everybody thinks is damn gorgeous calls you pretty
>you, who's known more for your fighting and bro-ness
Wouldn't you blush in Korra's shoes?
Don't complain or critique. Bryke, Vanity Fair, and IGN WANT you to complain and critique. Because they gather all your complaints and critiques, and will call it homophobia.
It won't be a mere deflection, either. Odds are good that one person complaining about the finale will genuinely be homophobic and bigoted.
That one person will make EVERYONE ELSE homophobic by proxy - by virtue of sharing the opinion that the finale was bad.
But it does NOT end at deflection. I repeat they do NOT just get rid of criticism by calling what you do homophobia. They ALSO get to write clickbait articles and bolster the show's reputation
If Bryke set up a kickstarter for a Korrasami comic, for example, they'd make hundreds of thousands of dollars in a day, from the Redditors who want to combat homophobia
The ONLY way to not give them what they want is to NOT react
But you ARE reacting, because how could you not?
I'm just saying there's no point in it.
I'm sorry guys. I really am.
From this point on, I think it's best to ignore everybody who uses the terms "heteronormative" or "hetero lens" in their arguments.
This is a debate about writing and storytelling, not social issues or political agendas like some (including Bryke) are trying to make it.
they wanted to pander to a specific group of fans and get a pat on the back for being progressive ended up creating an even bigger ship war than the end of the last show.
they also called their fanbase homophobic and hetero lens viewers like they were some amazing writers of lesbian fiction for years
The fact that Bryan actually used the phrase "hetero lens" proves to me he's a pathetic little revisionist loser desperate for attention. He had the power and every opportunity to show it and he didn't, because they had no intention of doing it. Even when they did do it, they did it in the most tame, lame, vague way possible. And then he goes on tumblr to lap up the praise for confirming fangirls' greatest fantasies with nothing more than his own say so.
I guess when everybody thought Book 2 was shit, including Nick themselves, we were all just looking at it through our "good taste" lens.
He's a fucking coward and a liar and a hack. Fuck him and fuck anybody dumb enough to believe or hire him ever again.
>85% of /co/ thinks the show is a 6/10 or better
>the remaining 15% who call it shit are still convinced they're being objective
> two girls hold hands
> fucking shoehorned lesbian dyke shit this is not what the bible preaches fucking sjw liberals and their dogs they're married to ruining everything like always! Next you know they'll show full on beastiality those unnatural shits.
Ouch my /pol/-itis!
>Bryke does such s shit job with showing this supposed relationship that they actually have to go online to their blog and confirm it
>People praise them for their amazing writing prowess and their representation of homosexuality and bisexuality in mainstream media
Sadly people overlook all of that because of the asspull last minutde change by Bryke. Now that Bryke mentioned Korrasami on their websites, it's really getting out of hand. People are just full of themselves. There's nothing at all to support bisexual nor lesbian in LOK, other than the finale ending (which, again, was changed).
Agreed, he went down in my estimation quite considerably. His wording was vitriolic gloating nonsense that basically insulted anyone who didn't absolutely buy his version of events.
It's one thing to come out and confirm, explain and justify. It's another to start throwin about terms that are intended to be derogatory to people you are looking to give you money. You arent "shaming" them, you're just sounding very petty and insular, cosy within your own echo chamber.
>other than the finale ending (which, again, was changed)
Bryke literally spelled out that nothing but the spirit world arc was planned out from the beginning. They decided on Korrasami from season 3 and onwards. So really, the ending wasn't ''changed'' since Bryke already favored this pairing.
The sad thing about it is that they're so desperate for their fantasies to come true that literally the least someone could do to validate them is celebrated like a universal gay marriage bill.
It's not even about gays in media, there's ton of that now. It's about their own personal want.
>The next Avatar has nobody to call on for advice except Korra
>Korra and Asami heterosexual throughout the series
>Whoops, nevermind, they're bisexual!
Bryke confirmed to be terrible writers. Even George Lucas didn't make last minute changes to their characters. I'm sure Obi-Wan would've held hands with Anakin if Bryke were at the helm.
KOrra is fucking awesome. Pity her show was bad and the writing never let her show her shit properly.
But they weren't planning on showing it until they asked for permission near the end, and it SHOWS, because the pairing's romance is absent until the ending shot.
So, how long will those two faggots go out of the closet themselves?
You can complain and critique the 99.99% of the show that isn't about Korrasami without ANYONE being in position to call you homophobic.
The finale wasn't bad by any means, it was one of the best finales the Avatar series has had. There's still a lot you can criticize in the writing of the finale, the season or the show without having spooky SJW getting out of the woods to get ya.
Of course that's only if you aren't completely fixated on "MUH LESBIAN PANDERING" and can actually formulate your criticism of the actual show well enough.
>they gather all your complaints and critiques
>being this paranoid about cartoons
Jesus /pol/, how thick is your tinfoil hat?
Buy the Blu-Rays people, the ending will be changed, once again, with Korra kissing Asami
> yfw the next Avatar is going to have the worst avatar ever as guide
It's an important distinction to say "It doesn't mean anything because it's rushed" and "The series in general has a weakness in this department."
Many things in Korra got rushed from the character angle (and since the budget was slashed an episode, presumably lots of character moments took the hit. You can't just skip the scene where the kids stumble on the mecha-maid).
But there were conscious decisions. Korra's "home" in S3's finale being with Asami (not her folks, who WERE in town), the use of the word "girlfriend" in S3 were deliberate. With CN holding Adventure Time's leash and Disney taking the envelope from Kim Possible and burning it, it was not unreasonable to assume Nick would be no more supportive of it.
Much of the character stuff was pedaled pretty hard. The Bei Fong drama (especially the Lin-Toph argument, which came from nowhere and went almost nowhere), Bo Lin/Opal were really not given any follow through, hell even Zhu Li/Varrick pairing felt a little obligatory. In general the series has always handled romance poorly. I'd almost interpret it as a white flag of surrender "We know, we suck at shipping, we leave it to you, fanficers"
>my friend's having a rough time with school, things aren't going so good, he's feeling stressed.
>Compliment him to make him feel better
>He smiles embarrassed and says thanks
Guess I better go start sucking dick cause I clearly lust for cock now.
They'd be better off with just going at it alone.
Fucking Korra be tellin' a nigga to take a vacation when the world on fire.
this is a good point outside the rage
He basically insulted his own fanbase because they are critiquing by his own admission his shoehorned narrative breaking ending for the series because he wanted to pander to people.
Its like how much more pathetic can you get. His words don't change the reality of how little sense the ending makes when you consider they were going for a korra alone end
>it was well written and completely obvious!
>creators have to confirm online that a relationship was there because the show failed in portraying that to the audience
I guess liking good writing makes me a homophobe.
>It's not even about gays in media, there's ton of that now.
Not in kids show. Not that I'm saying it's particularly appropriate a setting to discuss alternative sexuality, but that's the "barrier" people pat them on the back for "breaking": having a gay MC in a supposed kids' show.
I agree it's a stretch, but it's not like LoK is a sitcom.
>moderates the city into rubble
>leaves for a vacation
>Hey Korra, I just wanted to ask you about something. So there's this guy I like but I don't know, my best friend seems really into him as well. Should I date him or what?
>Date him, break up with him, wait until he dates your friend and breaks up with her, then date your friend
>Hey, worked for me
>Korra was only a shit avatar because she knew she was the avatar when she was 4. All other avatars besides Aang knew when they were 16. Korra was too immature to be avatar and ending up being a haughty dumbass.
>the use of the word "girlfriend" in S3 were deliberate
If you truly believe that this was intentional, then you really must interact with girls irl, anon. I see tons of girls who say "girlfriend," meaning friends who are girls. Not lovers, you autist.
You realize this kneejerk dismissal of an opinion based on the first sentence is precisely what Bryke are taking advantage of to succeed?
People don't care about context anymore. They hear a word they don't like and they shut things out entirely.
Well, fuck it. Just know that Bryke will win this.
Kuvira was the one who turned the city to rubble. Korra talked her into turning herself in so she could properly pay for her crimes.
Also, the city is expanding rather than rebuilding. I don't think there's much Korra can do there. It's not like she can earthbend rocks into houses.
So many things I want to do to Kuvira. When she gets sent to prison I want her bending taken away by Korra. Then I would break her out and keep her in my home shackled up. I would proceed to mind break slowly. First promising her to see her family, then her freedom, then her health. I would shove my dick into her mouth and fuck her throat wildly while she's handcuffed to the floor. I would throat fuck her so hard her saliva stays on my now hard and well lubricated penis when I take it out. I would take my dick out before I cum and walk out.
For a time she will be angry. But she will be broken. Then after a couple of weeks, assuming she's "lost" by then, I would turn her into my personal whore. I would make her beg for my dick for food or water. I would make her tell me how much she wants it inside her. I would cum in her throat and ask her if she wants to go to the movies. I would fuck her ass like she was a peasant whore and make her the dinner she always wanted. I would travel to air temple island with her and fuck her in Tenzins home when his family isn't there; leaving the stank behind.
We will make wonderful children and she will finally be happy.
>Hey Korra I need some advi-
>"I'm a bisexual you know?"
>That's... fantastic, now can you tell me who Koh is and how i'm supposed to com-
>"Asami, my love, and I grew as people and eventually fell in love. People didn't agree with it, but we knew it was right."
>I- I'm going to die here could you stop telling me about useless shit and help?
>"Useless?! What's the matter, can't handle a proud couple of two beautiful, strong women?!"
>I hate you Korra
Ya'll know Korra be that bitch in Anthro 1 talking about herself and how she finds some other girl attractive as fuck.
>You realize this kneejerk dismissal of an opinion based on the first sentence
The fuck are you even talking about.
I just happened to have called you "/pol/" instead of "anon". When you say paranoid stuff I'm going to call you paranoid, /pol/ or not.
Now actually respond to the points I make in my post
He can't lose, he's already got his progressive kudos from a bunch of chucklefucks, the point people still want to get across, at least in /co/, is that he's a hack for doing it.
>85% of /co/ likes it
>implying I give half a shit about lesbians
Now respond to the actual points.
>Hey Korra, I'm just feeling down you know? I feel like my progress is halting, I can't get this bending technique right when everything else came so naturally, I just feel like I've hit a bit of a wall
>Yeah I know it's rough, reminds me of the time when I was alone in the SWT and I just wasn't getting any better. Katara did her best but it just wasn't working out. Thankfully I had Asami to write to or it would've been awful. I told you about Asami, my girlfriend, right?
>Yes Korra, I remem-
>Ah, Asami. I tell you kid, she was the most gorgeous thing I'd ever seen. She was everything I wasn't - delicate, smart, emotionally strong... you know what they say about opposites? They attract my friend, like magnets. Asami and I then fought together to save Republic Ci- hey are you still here? Hello?
his show will be remembered as terrible
saying your characters are gay or lesbians at the end of a show does nothing for the quality
it has to actually be good on its own merits and not scrape for the lowest common denominator like legend of korra consistently did.
ask greg weisman
Oh for fuck's sake- Look at IGN, AVclub, and Vanity Fair
They're focusing on MUH LESBIAN PANDERING.
They're not focusing on the fights, on Mako taking out the generator, they're focusing on the lesbians.
And that's my main issue, idiot. I never called the finale bad, fuck I don't even think the ending Korrasami shot is bad.
What I DO think is bad is that the critical reception of the finale, and perhaps even the fucking series will be due to lesbians.
Worse STILL, critics of the ending will be dismissed as homophobes
If the critique is bad, then dismiss it because it's bad, don't label them as homophobes.
That's ad hominem and it's the worst form of arguing
Man, I was so pumped when I saw the headline about it being canon. And then I read Bryan's desperate diatribe trying to convince everybody that's what they wanted all along and it completely ruined it. "Hetero lens" like how fucking how old are you dipshit? You're like the kid who got shot during cops and robbers and whines he's got a forcefield up.
>You're like the kid who got shot during cops and robbers and whines he's got a forcefield up.
I find it a little pathetic that they're pushing their agenda in front of our faces. As if that would mean anything, they also are trying to convince the masses that they had this all figured out and it's a-ok.,,
>tfw there will be no LoK comics, and the AtlA ones suck anyway
>it is truly the end of the Avatarverse
Why couldn't they just do it as Team Avatar going on a vacation together instead of Asami and Korra?
A financially sound show wont have to leave TV.
But it is mostly due to Nick's incompetence at business and quality control.
Korra wont appeal to their demographic in the long run. And Bryke gone wild make the series suffer a lot.
>only talking about the lesbians instead of the show
>claiming the only thing people will answer to any of your criticism is "homophobe" while failing to realize you're doing the exact same shit they're "doing" by claiming that all of the critiques who now say they like Korra will say that because of the lesbian ending
You're part of the cancer you're claiming to rebel against, anon.
Get some fucking perspective.
The Krew didnt have that good of a chemistry. After season 2 they mostly do their own shit.
And Korra didnt give a shit about Mako or Bolin during her recovering year so it's just natural she go alone with asami.
Still not enough to justify Korrasami though.
Because was culminating a relationship that was built up since the very first episode that had a bond that went deeper than getting stuck in a desert once and being fucked by the same guy.
Wakfu if you haven't seen it, comparable to AtlA in quality
Really good character building, same world building style (workign towards an overarching goal like in AtlA rather than everything having to happen quickly like in Korra due to short seasons), really good fights, overall one of my favourite animated shows
I dropped korra after season 2, I though this lesbian ending bullshit was a joke I saw on facebook.
thank you for killing the avatarverse bryke.
> date one girl (it was going alright)
> then date another (a fucking disaster)
> both ended in break-ups
> they decide to start fucking each other afterwards
I wonder why Bryke didn't include Aang kissing Zuko at the end. Why not Bryan? I mean, weren't you looking at Aang through hetero lenses then? And Mike, didn't you want to contribute to society a little back then as well?
Oh wait, ATLA was a great show and LOK is a turd. No wonder you need to make up shit just to drive people to the series.
>>Cue Byran and Mike breaking open a glass display case with titled 'The Gay Gambit'
Most people here aren't arguing that KorraSami was inherently bad.
We all just wished that it was handled a little better.
>check out that avatar subreddit
>filled with korrasamifags
>reasonable posts like this is getting downvoted
Christ sake I think this is headed towards Harry Potter levels of shit
I didn't feel that any of the animals had actual meaning in Korra. Naga was just there, I didn't get any special insight because there was nothing to see between her and Korra.
Aang on the other hand went into a rage when Appa went missing.
Ehh they wanted to have it being able to be shown on kids TV so nothing overly explicit but it has its very suggestive moments
I'd say aimed at older people but kids could still enjoy it
Aang was a better Avatar, nothing new there
We all wish it was actually handled in some sort of way, not just dropped on us for the sake of desperately seeking some sort of praise. When I saw the ending it was still incredibly vague and pretty much just them being close friends. But after that bullshit where apparently I'm some kind of anti-progressive person for not liking shit writing? Oh hell no. I was always cheering for Korrasami but when I realized you could barely even imply it was a legit thing in the show, I just stuck to fanart and accepted it. We get a fucking Mako clip show but we couldn't get an Asami one that actually built up this ending? Fuck.
Well tbf the "fans" they have made with this decision are very fickle, how many of them actively watched the show or will pay money for it. It's tough to justify pissing off one section of fans to try and buy another section, its a gamble. It's working for now with articles but talk is cheap.
>>they come to watch the show expecting a well-built relationship between Korra and Asami
>>they realise that it's shoe-horned in by Bryke at the end to get relevancy
The fact that they came in expecting Bryke to pull off a well-built relationship of any kind is what set them up for failure.
And heap on that the fact that Nick wouldn't really clear more explicit "they're hot for one another" hints until very late in production when the show was pretty much already finished...
And you get the rushed ending. Similar to how they decide halfway through the last season that after spending the entire series treating her like his foot scrubbing, chore working, and underappreciated assistant, that Varrick was madly in love with Zhu Li, propposed to her, and married her all in the span of 30 minutes.
Bryan needs to apologize for his "you are looking through your hetero lens xD!" but both Mike and Bryan are full of shit if they believe what they did meant something. The only thing to take out of LOK's ending is that they're bad writers. That's it.
I'm seeing a lot of people confused as to why Korra wrote to Asami. They seem to forget that Asami exclusively took care of Korra for several weeks while she was at her lowest point.
I have my issues with how the relationship was handled, but Korra writing to Asami is not one of them.
>mfw Bryan fucking admitted the romance in ATLA was forced
>he admits that Korra was going to be alone
>he admits he was following Miyazaki's advice
>then he admits that Miyazaki was wrong, and instead of not having the guy and girl get together, the girl could get together with the girl
>deliberately makes older Hiroshi look identical to his sensai
>kills him in the finale to show how wrong he was
Bryan thinks he is a god. This is the biggest ego trip he'll ever get.
>Don't be a fag now.
You missed this bit...
Or go start a Supes vs thread or something.
I'm really surprised that "hetero-lens" thing is acceptable, it really does nothing but widen the divide between different sexualities.
>they also called their fanbase homophobic and hetero lens viewers like they were some amazing writers of lesbian fiction for years
Oh I'm sure they have plenty of their own fanfiction about lesbians since honestly that's what Bryke are... fanfiction writes. They're not professionals as evident by the complete trainwreck the season became when they were pretty much responsible for everything.
>If they wanted to pander to the fans Lin would've hooked up with Tenzin again and Appa and Momo would be banging
Yea, pandering to some fans is pandering to all fans amirite? Your point is dumb.
Yeah, they definitely could've used that recap episode for Asami and Korra. I enjoyed the episode, but if they really had an idea of KorraSami, they should've had at least one completely homo scene.
Just one line might've made the ending less asspull
What the fuck is supposed to be wrong with strawpoll?
Are you paranoid enough to think someone would stuff the ballot for a fucking meaningless internet poll?
Well nobody ever implied that when the poll was taken, so maybe you should have actually been in those threads.
>>People are still praising them for their writing and the finale
Nobody's praising the quality of the writing.
They're praising the fact that usually, networks are pretty adverse to implying that the protagonists of their childrens' cartoons are anything other than heterosexual.
Even a small scene, which looks at first glance like a bit of fan service, usually takes quite a bit of arguing, pleading, and trickery to actually pull off because kid's Networks are just so adverse to this kind of stuff.
>Naga was Korra's best friend
Sure but she wasn't her only close person. I mean she had parents and shit, and as soon as b1 she makes other friends.
I don't know, it never really felt to me that Korra was as close to Naga as Aang was to Appa.
>Random faggot who shares my opinion means I'm right!
No, fuck off.
Secondly, that tumbletard is wrong within the first few sentences so I stopped reading. She's using an out of context picture from a scene to argue her shit point. That scene wasn't romantic, korra was just holding a waking kuvira to be nice, and the wheel chair scenes between korrasami shit all over the tumblrtards point.
You should be flayed for linking that garbage.
Man we are never gonna have a decent Avatar thread again are we?
Anyway as for Korrasami, In retrospect I think the build up in Book 3 is good enough, but they needed more scenes in Book 4 though the ones they had were more shippy then the ones in 3, probably should of had Asami go off to visit Zaheer with Korra instead of Mako or something.
Seems like a bit of a stretch but I do agree that Bryan has some pretty severe ego problems, he somehow thinks he's a progressive god now because he smashed two female characters together so he could get off on it like any hetro guy would.
>they touched hands
>they lesbians nao
The worst part of it all is now people are lauding the series for that last minute asspull alone instead of paying attention to the many mistakes and successes the show had during its run and having a meaningful conversation.
>Because was culminating a relationship that was built up since the very first episode that had a bond that went deeper than getting stuck in a desert once and being fucked by the same guy.
He was 12 and she was 15 or 16. They got married and had kids.
That's retarded. What if your 12 year old son came home with a high schooler and told you, "This is the woman I'm going to marry."
>Just one line might've made the ending less asspull
That's what the "I brought you tea." "Thanks, you're so sweet!" exchange was for. And Bryan used a screenshot of the two of them as his header in the clipshow explanation/apology post.
But the problem with that is Asami literally had nothing else to do. Imagine Asami didn't exist, it just would have been Jinora, Kataara, or Pema. They lost track of what to do with Asami after Book 2, so they made her become Korra's emotional support.
The whole Korrasami relationship was a moment of convenience where "Hey, these two seem to be good friends, what if they go full blown bi in the finale??"
They basically admit as much that it was done for their progressive friends, and the biggest problem is, that view is not consistent to the entire show. It was a last minute decision that will forever seem out of place narratively.
I just think it's pretty dishonest.
Let's look at all the crowning moments of all canon pairings we had:
Aang refusing to let go of Katara because of how much he loves her and showing how his love for the air nomads got reborn into his love for Katara
"I love Zuko more than I fear you"
Sokka going apeshit and jeopardizing their mission to interrogate Azula on Suki's whereabouts
Saving each other from Amon
What is korrasami's big moment? The "I'm here for you"? We already got one of those for makorra back in book 1
>Man we are never gonna have a decent Avatar thread again are we?
There have been several in the last few days. Now if you thought *this* thread wasn't going to be about the shitstorm...
She disappeared for 6 months, lied to her parents and didn't even bother to visit her supposed lover when she was in the same city.
The whole start of S4 is a bit murky about how close they actually were. We know they wrote a bit, but thats about it.
Honestly, Bryke has no one to blame other than themselves. Sure, you can blame Nick, but Nick had their reasons to throw Bryke under a bus. They are poor writers and Nick realized they made a mistake in letting two guys (who had Avatar on their belts) take total control of a new series. The poor writing crippled the series and the show's ending only reinforced this imo. Bryke's hilarious tumblr posts later to confirm Korrasami showed that they're both morons. Really, I'm done following these two. I'm off to find the next Bryke and hopefully they won't take a shit on their creation.
>Are you paranoid enough to think someone would stuff the ballot for a fucking meaningless internet poll?
People do all the time, at least on /a/. Suddenly single options will get thousands of votes in mere minutes.
Completely besides the point.
The guy is complaining about a show he doesn't even watch. Shippers, whether theyre a good thing or not, watch the show.
He doesn't get to complain about somethinjg he doesn't even watch.
>That's retarded. What if your 12 year old son came home with a high schooler and told you, "This is the woman I'm going to marry."
>Sokka going apeshit and jeopardizing their mission to interrogate Azula on Suki's whereabouts
Oh shit, I forgot about that. Anybody know what episode?
Sokka was character development embodied, would of loved to see him still act a spastic as an old man.
How long is it until tumblr complains about Korrasami being fap fodder for dudes? I already see it on places like IGN.
No, it comes naturally out of Book 3's finale and Korra and Asami's interactions in Book 4. It feels like they skipped a couple of steps, but look at how Mai and Zuko got together entirely offscreen.
Not only the first few weeks, but the worst of her depression too. When Korra left for the south pole, she didn't have circles around her eyes anymore. I kind of wish we saw some of that healing though.
>Aang refusing to let go of Katara because of how much he loves her and showing how his love for the air nomads got reborn into his love for Katara
Then he does let go of her, then Azula kills him, then a rock saves him so he never had to let go of her in the first place?
Different anon, but I saw nothing but close friends. Asami, after hating Korra (and vice versa), started to take care of her out of caring. You don't have to be gay in order to take care of someone. Friends do this shit all the time.
It's almost mind boggling how much emphasis some people are putting on the supposed greatness of Korasami. They act like they're the new Romeo and Juliet of bisexuality rather than a hamfisted attempt to prop up a ignominious ending with shoddy pandering.
>The poor writing crippled the series and the show's ending only reinforced this imo.
I don't think good writing would have increased the show's viewership among kids 10-13, which is where Nick makes its money via advertising.
Once it failed with them, even Emmy worthy writing wasn't going to save it.
The poor writing was just incidental.
>Different anon, but I saw nothing but close friends. Asami, after hating Korra (and vice versa), started to take care of her out of caring. You don't have to be gay in order to take care of someone. Friends do this shit all the time.
Thank you, that's exactly the crux of the issue. Friends could do that shit all the time and there needs to be an effort made to show that they're doing things for each other as more than friends.
I don't remember ATLA's demographics and stats, but the show had consistent writing for the most part, whereas LOK drove along a plot-filled bumpy as fuck road. Books 1 and 2 were just painful to sit through. Book 3 had its share of problems, but the writing and the character interactions improved, book 4 regressed and it ended fairly weak (Korrasami included).
The biggest problem I have with Korrasami is that it's not consistent with the show we got. You shouldn't watch Books 1-2 then Books 3-4 and come to a completely different conclusion about Korra and Asami after about 1.5 episodes of shitty hints.
>tfw Korra x Kuvira seemed more intimate
And that's the last goddamn shot we get of an entire series, that Korrasami is some romantic power couple that will last forever when really it should be a vague exploration point.
But no, good ol' Bryke gotta go on a tumblr rant because people didn't get how perfect their pairing was. It's not our fault they're shitty ass writers.
Lin's last fucking moment is spent staring at a kebab. Let that sink in.
>They had like 30 years offscreen tho...
Korra and Asami had many months offscreen as well, where it was pretty clearly shown that they were bodning to the point where Asami has become Korra's sole emotional confidant.
Day of Black Sun.
I'd say "that's nice honey come talk to me again about it when you're 18" and see if she could stick with her new "wife" for 6 years. If they can manage that maybe they should get married.
I come from the same thing. I'm not against the idea of of having a bi/gay protagonist in family shows. We see people more people open about it so we shouldn't act like it's taboo still.
But as writing ploy it's just by hearing about I can tell it's something pulled out of thier ass to get lots of attention to "finish strong" and be unique.
I mean I could imagine as close friends, like "sister from another mister, female bros kind. But seeing them getting a long well and being tight and being a couple can be two very different thing
Simmer, thread. Simmer. We're getting dangerously close to this.
Let's just stay focused on the fact that romance has never been interesting in Korra.
People seem to forget that when season of Korra ended that was suppose to be it, but in mid-july they got two additional seasons. No shit writing would be bad for the next season because they absolutely had no game plan and needed to improvise.
>Bryke's hilarious tumblr posts later to confirm Korrasami showed that they're both morons.
They honestly, and I'm not saying this to be sarcastic or over generalize or anything like that, are fanfiction authors. The way they write, their single minded enthusiasm for a single idea or thought blown far out of proportion, their constant belief that their work has far more gravitas than it actually does. If these stupid fucks (by that I mean animators with no formal writing training) didn't have Korra as a podium to vomit onto the world they'd be online furiously fapping away writing about their own characters.
id much rather have a pairing that's just too understated than one that's fucking annoying every time it gets a scene and that has so much drama around that it that it consumes half the season.
>>I don't remember ATLA's demographics and stats
Very popular with its target demographic. It had a large tertiary following that skeweed older, but Nick wasn't really after them.
>>but the show had consistent writing for the most part
Totally incidental to it's popularity among its target audience. Little kids didn't get into ATLA because of it's "wit" and "mature topics". That's why older audiences enjoyed it.
Every Witch Way, Spongebob Squarepants, Sanjay and Craig, and the Ninja Turtles are Nick's 3 most popula shows with their target demographic at the moment.
Why is it that every single problem with this show can be traced back to Nick only giving them ~12 episodes a season?
Imagine a world where we got ~20 episodes a season with the same amount of plot per season. Imagine all of the good character development we could have gotten.
Fuck, I mad now.
How can it be forced when it was added at the last moment? You don't have time to react to it and hate it. Meanwhile, you had Makorra ruin S1 with their boyfriend/girlfriend bullshit.
>now he probbaly won't thanks to this forced lesbian bullshit
I care. Look how much I care. The guy dropped it 2 seasons ago and didn't see fit to pick it back up. I don't see what gives you the idea he would have if it wasn't for lesbians (which are like 15 seconds of screentime in 19+ hours of show).
>Mike and Bryan realize most of the Korrasami supporters are dudes fapping to the porn
>realize what they've done
>try to fix it in the comics and downplay the romance
>tumblr boycotts them
>porn stops production and dudes boycott them
>Bryke run out of money and turn to a life of crime
It's like poetry.
to be fair animals had a very special meaning to Aang. Not so much Korra, but still just average person usually very close to their pet. But I haven't watched Korra in awhile, did she really just ditch Naga? I hope they have special just for my inner dog person to fix that
An yet ,they wrote Avatar, a highly succesgull kids show, you did not.
If you want something with depth and real character development, read War and Peace and stop watching cartoons.
>Very popular with its target demographic. It had a large tertiary following that skeweed older, but Nick wasn't really after them.
I don't think anything action orientated could garner the same response anymore. Kids want short easy access randomness and no commitment to making a timeslot.
It's better than beat Kuvira up or kill her, even aang's solution to all problem, energy bend would not scratch Kuvira's ambition.
And honestly, would anybody surrender with a giant robot and thousands of small mechs at their side?
EVERY FANDOM IS AFFECTED BY POINTLESS SHIPPING. GO TO NURUTO THREAD? SHIPPING. GO TO EVA THREAD? SHIPPING. GO TO SNK THREAD? SHIPPING. GO TO BLEACH THREAD? SHIPPING. GO TO [INSERT SHOW HERE] THREAD? SHIPPING.
And Korrasami is KORRA IS JEALOUS OVER ASAMI BECAUSE SHE TOOK HER BONER AWAY FROM HER AND THEN MAGICALLY THEY SET ASIDE THEIR HATE AND BECAME FRIENDS AND THEN INEXPLICABLY BECAME LOVERS!
I know, Wuko had an intimate romance as well. Some people just can't see the subtext.
>That's a classic Bryke play from their playbook, why bother developing something when you can just pretend stuff happened in a narrative void?
Yes it is. They did it with Mako and Asami. They did it with Zhu Li and Varrick. They did it with Bataar Jr and Kuvira.
People who had professional/friendly relationships just hook up between the time skips and go, "Hey, we're an item now".
>>>See! Off screen means it wasn't asspulling at all!
Just aying that it's not any more/less asspulling than Bryke NORMALLY does.
>>No, it wasn't shown at all.
You didn't the scene where Korra and Asami talk about being each others' first real female friends, where Asami dresses Korra weeks after she was poisoned, or how Korra wrote only to Asami because she explictly said that she didn't feel she could talk to anyone else about what she was going through.
I'm not saying it's obvious they were lesbians, but it WAS obvious that they had a relationship that was rapidly approching "Best Friends 4Life".
That they had to come right out and say "yes, it's canon," after days of intense debate is probably the most obvious sign that they did a poor job of establishing it in the show itself.
few are mad that Korrasami is canon. Most are mad that the "development" of it is completely non-existant as there's no actual romantic interaction between them until the very last scene of the series, just a bunch of things that can very easily be read as platonic interactions between two people who are best friends/as close as family while Bryke and most people like scream that it can only be interpreted in the way that matched up with your headcanon so anyone who disagrees is wrong.
There's no fucking indication at all that any of their interactions are strictly romantic and because of it people criticized Bryke and rightly so. Bryke, instead of just admitting they could've done a better job go
>Nope, it was just too subtle. Maybe take off the heteronormative glasses. :)
for me it's that smug condescision that's irritating the fuck out of me. Bryke can't do anything wrong and their legion of praise the writers for this gift fans will tell you the same.
Someone a few days back said it best: people are going to ignore all of LoK's faults because their preferred ship was confirmed at the end and that's exactly what's happening. They're using things that happened in the show as retroactive evidence when before most people just used it as headcanon justification since there was nothing in the show to indicate that they were actually going down that route because none of their interactions were overlty, unambiguously romantic with no room for seeing as platonic. This does not make Bryke masters of subtle storytelling, it makes them shitty writers and hacks.
>he admits he was following Miyazaki's advice
>then he admits that Miyazaki was wrong, and instead of not having the guy and girl get together, the girl could get together with the girl
That part was so fucking nonsensical as well. Miyazaki's point in the exact paragraph Bryan quoted is that when you have male and female protagonists who care for each other, they shouldn't have to enter into or be in a romantic relationship (as was common in the time Miyazaki began film-making, certainly in say, Disney films). Declining to have them enter a romance shows how men and women can be friends, equals and allies and that everything doesn't just happen for the sake of getting / rescuing the girl.
In what way is having girls fall in love any sort of "counterpoint" (to quote Bryan) to that? Then he starts rambling about queer representation as though somehow Miyazaki's position was against any and all romance between characters, specifically gay ones. If Miyazaki cared enough to give the shit the time of day I'd like to see his response.
I get it. This show wasn't made for me. I watched Avatar cause I like adventure, the eastern aesthetic and spirituality, the fight choreography, and the story.
I didn't care about shipping. I liked AtLa and I wanted AtLA. I'm not the audience they chose to pursue. And that makes me sad.
I'm starting to think that it's the same shitposters in every thread.
We need more love.
I know your trolling, but I wouldn't care if kovirra happened, I just want people to stop using that shitty out of context screen shot to fuel some shitty arguement that there was more romance between those two than korrasami.
Not him but Ehsatz or however you write it was head writer on TLA, and there was a team of 27 total writers to LoK's 5.
>If you want something with depth and real character development, read War and Peace and stop watching cartoons.
I agree with this point tho.
I want comics. Enough Spirit Hand Holding, I want humor and heart-warming shit.
See I have no problem with shipping, It's fun to do but people take it so fucking seriously. I remember after ATLA's finale you had hundreds of fucking Zutara shippers crying about how BRYKE FUCKING BROKE THEIR HEARTS.
Yeah, he is, he's just using a different meaning of "forced". It's literally 15 seconds of screentime of 2 chicks holding hands, nothing compared to the shitty romantic plots of B1.
I'm glad I gave up at season 2. This such an attention whore of a move to finish strong it seems. I would felt cheated easy.
But man look at that at the attention bi Korra is getting from an ass pull.
Probably one of the worst thing about the series ending is that fact we will never get a soundtrack for it. I've gotten emotional over a few soundtracks and songs here and there but Jesus fuck ATLA and Korra's soundtrack are great.
>>Just as soon as you admit that Bryke are hacks.
They're hacks. Not for giving us delicious Korrasami, but just in general. They attempt to inject adult material into kids' cartoons, but are hamstrung by the fact that you cant really show that kind of stuff in a kid's cartoon, and they aren't good enough writers to get it across under the radar.
ATLA was more bearable because it was, at heart, light hearted fare with only the occasional foray into darkness, but would always immediately go back to light hearted idealism.
Korra tried to be more serious and stumbled all over itself.
I really don't know why Nick doesn't just release on Itunes, Zukerman WANTS too. I understand they don't want to do phyiscal since the cost of production might not be worth it but putting it up on Itunes really shouldn't cost much at all should it?
Every single author of fiction is a "hack" according to someone, just accept that people like different things and that your expectations were too high for this show.
>An yet ,they wrote Avatar, a highly succesgull kids show.
No they actually did not write it, they brainstormed the generalities of the setting but Aaron Ehasz and his team of actual writers brought it to life and apparently kept Brykes dumb ideas in check.
>you did not.
I'm assuming you didn't either yet here we are having this little discussion.
>If you want something with depth and real character development, read War and Peace and stop watching cartoons.
You took the time to come to a subforum of a site devoted to comics and cartoons to tell us all that animation can't have "depth and real character development" and we need to look elsewhere for that? Well why don't you politely go fuck yourself.
>I can't imagine he has much love for the NWT after being banished because they all loved Unalaq, and she was raised solely in the SWT
The thing about people who are banished is that they are FORCED to leave. They don't leave because they hate the culture of the place they live. They leave because some other people in power say they can't live there anymore.
Just like if your president/prime minister/governener/whatever said you couldn't live in your home country, would you stop speaking the language, eating of its food, celebrating holidays, or any of the other traditions you grew up with?
Why are people pissed that fans unsatisfied of the ending? It's the bad writing and attention seeking of making them Lesbains/Bi. Not the damn fact the they are Lesbains/Bi. Don't new statistics show that most people in the 1st world are rather accepting of the gay community now?
Tumblr chill fuck out and look at the real shit fest. Can a badly written relationship happen from any gender match? can't seeing that is really baised
He was literally there so they could reincarnate Aang (didn't work)
At first it seemed like they were gonna develop that character a lot more. The longer this show ran, the more it seemed like they were writing it on the fly and then out of nowhere (more so than korrasami)
Kuvira Ikari and he Platinum Evangeliion!
the problem with Kai is that he had no real meaningful connection to anyone BUT Jinora, they seemed like they were gonna do something with him and Mako and Bolin but then he left for the Air Temple so it was moot.
Opal on the other hand has connections to Bolin, Su, Lin and Kuvira, so she got quite a bit of time in Book 4 while Kai got pretty much none. Opal was a decent side character but Kai was a pointless one.
>You took the time to come to a subforum of a site devoted to comics and cartoons to tell us all that animation can't have "depth and real character development" and we need to look elsewhere for that?
I think he's saying they factually *don't* (not can't) have "depth and real character development", and that you should look somewhere else for that if you actually want to find it
Because you're trying to mask your hate for the gay ending by saying that the whole series is badly written. Can't you just come out and say that you hate the lesbian ending? It would be easier that way.
>Can a badly written relationship happen from any gender match?
>implying human relationship is simple
>implying you know how relationship works between two people
Thank you. Despite tumblrs neigh constant need to feel oppressed no one really has any problems with Korra and Asami getting together we have a problem with fact that they're bi/lesbians propping up the whole show with unwarranted attention. Love the show or hate it but don't do either for a last minute asspull.
I just came back to 4chan after awhile and check out a few boards. /co/ shitty as it is not as bad some. I forgot how /tv/ was so pretentious, holy fuck, I was considered a "normalfag" for agreeing with the masses and defending why it's okay too. Don't forget shit like /r9k/ or /pol/
>If banished unjustly I'd be like yeah fuck them guys, they didn't listen to me and cast me out
It matters who cast you out.
"I don't eat hamburgers, listen to Rock and Roll, or drive FORD cars."
"I don't like President Obama. He had me forcibly deported."
Do you know how retarded that sounds?
Most people who are banished/exiled from their home country actually end up moving to another community with the same culutral values in another country. They tend to stay in contact with one another and their homeland.
Very rarely does one totally turn their back on their entire way of life due to the political machinations of a handful of asshats. They usually have lived in their home country long enough to know that not everyone is like that.
Now people who WILLINGLY leave because they hate the conditions at home are a whole different story.
No. I watched the whole thing. I totally wanted Korra and Asami to bang too. I just felt like Bryke had completely forgotten that Asami existed. She felt mostly irrelevant to me. And when Kuvira and Korra's fight started to get weirdly intimate I thought they were gonna make out.
Asami is the dom: chairwoman of future industry, the 2nd brightest engineering mind of the rc and experienced lover.
Korra is the avatar, but that's it. And she also have large pain tolerance.
They were being ambiguous about it on purpose because christian censors. But now that the show is over, they could confirm it without fear or backlash from Nick. They're never going back to Nick anyway so fuck Nick.
>Because you're trying to mask your hate for the gay ending by saying that the whole series is badly written. Can't you just come out and say that you hate the lesbian ending? It would be easier that way.
That's not what he's saying at all, holy fuck. Your persecution complex is overwhelming so let me spell this out...
NO ONE CARES THAT KORRA AND ASAMI ARE BI/LESBIANS
Okay now that we've gotten that out of the way you might be able to understand that the reason people are upset is because it was a very poorly fleshed out and implemented relationship REGARDLESS of the gender of the two parties. People are propping it up just because they're "LEZBIANS" rather than looking at how hamfistedly the whole thing was handled (once again) REGARDLESS of their sexes.
>>Can a badly written relationship happen from any gender match?
>>implying human relationship is simple
No but they do tend to follow general trends.
>>implying you know how relationship works between two people
Most of us have a pretty good idea.
Take off the /nostalgia goggles bro, ATLA had just as much shipping speculation and pandering as Korra. The fact that it ended in clear cut vanilla romance is an entirely different point.
But I love the lesbian ending. Literally the best decision they've ever made.
Bryke are still smarmy ass holes who made a mediocre action cartoon.
No actually it's a valid argument for those who claim Bryke couldn't go any further in the subtle hints because Nick wouldn't allow it.
Korra and Asami literally had a handful of minutes this entire season with any kind of reaction. You're telling me they couldn't add
>Asami accompanying Korra on the trip to face Zaheer for emotional support
>Have Korra bat an eyelash when Asami gets ejected from the hummingmech and her father gets squashed
>have maybe a close-up of Asami's worried face when looking for Korra instead of Mako's in the last 10 minutes of the show.
There's proof as much in that blog. Bryke liked both ideas of Korra with Asami or Korra alone. They chose on the latter and wrote the entire season as such. Then decided last minute to tack on their original idea as if it would still hold strong and fit organically with the rest of the season. It was shit writing. Plain and true.
>Don't new statistics show that most people in the 1st world are rather accepting of the gay community now?
Not US parents with kids between the ages of 10 and 13. Those parents are usually between their late twenties and early forties, and while they're more open to the idea of same sex couples, they don't necessarilly want their kids watching shows where the main character is openly flirting and making out with people of the same gender.
That and networks tend to be run by older folks, and they aren't particularly keen on it either.
So you have a strange gray area. Which is why the lead up was so vague. If you don't like the idea of same sex couples, you could easily write it off. If you think people should actively campaign for same sex couples' equality, it's obvious. If you just really don't give a fuck, then it's there, but just poor writing. And there's a million variances in between those options.
Suffice it to say, depictions of homosexual relationships in the US is not a cut and dry topic.
I didn't even freaking say the WHOLE thing was badly. I liked a lot in the begining at thats why found this disappointing.
And got I have to be honest, it's disgusting you think I hate gay people just I think an ending of a fictional show wasn't well written.
I gave no implications of hating any sexuality, not even what my sexuality is even. I have close friends that mean a lot to me that are gay then suddenly I have a different opinion something trivial I'm a homophobe
This tactic isn't working any more, you're starting to look desperate.
This isn't a tumblr vs. /pol/ morality fight. It's a debate about writing and storytelling, and whether Korrasami (and LoK as a whole) was well written.
>Then he does let go of her, then Azula kills him, then a rock saves him so he never had to let go of her in the first place?
No, he does. But then he's killed, and brought back. All the energy associated with the Avatar State was blocked around his scar, physically. When Katara aggravated it it almost loosened it, but once it was struck it released it all, into a proper, danger-prone Avatar State. Once Aang calmed down and stopped himself from killing Ozai, the full control finally asserted itself, shown when he uses it to put out the fires.
Yeah, it was contrived, but at least it was set up.
People were kept on their toes and kept guessing. Some people like surprises and the fact that this ending pleased most of the fanbase, I don't see that as a failure.
Could they have put more interaction, how can we know if this is possible as outsiders of the production of the show? We can only speculate and by judging by Nickelodeons budget cuts they did not have that much freedom.
I think those who judge the whole show over a ship, judge this show way more strictly than it deserves.
>I am very upset at the fact that they decided to put in "poorly written lesbians" at the end when they should have just put the already "established hetero couple" in the beginning of the series.
>Love the show or hate it but don't do either for a last minute asspull.
If you don't do it as a "last minute asspull", you don't really get to do it all- when it comes to kids shows.
If they're revealed to be gay, you had absolutely zero evidence of anything. Even then, you never saw that character on the show again after they were confirmed gay- which was easy to do because the series was usually over by then.
And you only really do incidental characters. The lead(s) are never allowed to be anything but straight.
Really, if Korra didn't do it this way, they really wouldn't have been able to do it all. But again, that's pretty much how all of Korra's "adult" themes worked. They could never really show the actual horrors or real world consequences.
Because at the end of the day, it's a kid's show, and the Netowrk is only going to let you get away with so much.
Really clever writers can get stuff under the radar of less attentive execs. Bryke wasn't that clever and I'm thinking that execs were watching Korra fairly closely since it was going into some unexplored territory and was bombing among its intended demographic.
I guess, but shouldn't be treated as taboo thing in media forever because it is a part of life. It shouldn't an as pull like this or be centered around it. But like
"oh yeah I like chicks rather than dudes"
"oh ok neat"
and the only difference would likely be they would go for women. A little bit struggles with bigot but they shouldn't do much more than that. All it is a sex interest and it should be seen as such.
>Take off the /nostalgia goggles bro, ATLA had just as much shipping speculation and pandering as Korra. The fact that it ended in clear cut vanilla romance is an entirely different point.
Yeah, but ATLA stuck with the safer male/female romance. The idea of portraying a same sex relationship in ATLA is pretty much unthinkable because from the outset, the series wasn't setting out to be "more mature" like Korra.
I'm saying that ATLA had it easier because they took a kid's show and added some content that appealed to teenagers and adults.
Meanwhile Korra was trying to take what was essentially a show about teenagers/adults and dial it down to kiddy levels.
The former is much easier to pull off than the latter.
Bryke defended their Makorra choice and whined about people not liking it after s1 ended. "Oh I guess people don't like seeing people hook up on screen!" "Those kids were meant for each other!" "This is teenage love!"
Going back and claiming they never meant for Mako and Korra to get together and it was always a story about lesbians is just painfully a lie. That whole plot about Korra having to take Mako away from Asami because "Asami wasn't the right woman for him, Korra was" (Thanks Pemma) Kissing him behind Asami's back, making fun of Asami when she was alone, flirting with Mako before the Amon fight. There was no lesbian undertones here, it was as blatantly heterosexual as you can get. That Bryan wants to pretend otherwise just shows how much of a shit writer he truly is.
They also gave way too much time with Mako/Korra alone doing things together if they meant for Korrasami to be 'hinted' at. You can say "Wahh, Nick wouldn't allow lesbians" all you want, but there was no reason they couldn't have built up their friendship first. They didn't. They wasted time with Mako and Korra, and then said Asami being gone for seven episodes meant she was secretly masturbating to Korra furiously offscreen.
>People were kept on their toes and kept guessing
No most of us weren't. Even most who shipped it as a crackship never believed there was enough evidence or build up to lead to a fluid progression of the pairing
Those that actually believed it might happen were the type of people who over analyze every little miniscule interaction between two characters in hopes of getting the possibility of their dream ship coming true. It could have been done with Tenzin/Korra and Mako/Wu and it would have actually had a stronger case for support than Korrasami did. Admit the writing was shit-tier and we can go home.
>I guess, but shouldn't be treated as taboo thing in media forever because it is a part of life. It shouldn't an as pull like this or be centered around it. But like
You may not think it does. Other people think it does. The Network isn't just thinking about TUMBLR, it also has to worry about all the soccer moms and enavgelists out there. They influence non-insignificant percentages of their market as well.
Which is why you can't just up and out have an openly gay protagonist galavanting about hooking up with members of the same sex in the same way heterosexual characters do.
People were kept on their toes and kept guessing. Some people like surprises and the fact that this ending pleased most of the fanbase, I don't see that as a failure.
There's a difference between people being kept on their toes and having no idea at all. We were all kept on our toes to find out if Toph and Sokka would work out or how Azula and Mai would would end but Korrasami, I'd say outside the most dedicated of shippers who saw meaning in everything no one had any fucking clue this was coming until the last second. That's not being kept on your toes that's just not having enough development.
>I think those who judge the whole show over a ship, judge this show way more strictly than it deserves.
When that's the last thing you see as the series ends it's going to be what you remember. That was Brykes choice, he chose to go out on this particular note so it's understandable that it's going to get judged on that especially considering the undue attention tumblr is putting on that particular facet of the show alone.
>No most of us weren't. Even most who shipped it as a crackship never believed there was enough evidence or build up to lead to a fluid progression of the pairing
I was making jokes, sure. "Oh look. Asami is distracting Tenzin so she can have lesbian times with Korra!"
But the more they interacted in that last scene, the more I came to realize that shit was going down.
Even then, I felt like it was Bryke having a laugh at our expense.
Up until the moment where they're staring into each other's eyes while holding both hands and disappearing into the light.
To be honest, I'm still a little surprised.
>falling for bait
Guys, he's literally just repeating the things that people ITT said annoyed them (namely saying that "criticizing the show is homophobic").
Daily reminder of the spirit conspiracy.
>Korra was all over a fireboy's dick
>Got shot by spirit laser, consume Iroh's addicting "health" potion to fight CHAOS ATTACK, SON! Dump bf, became bff with asami
>Assami stayed in the rc all the time, exposed to spirits, start acting weird around her bff.
>Korra get shot by laser again
>They full gay nao.
>Enjoy your narrow hetero lens.
Come on, trolling that obvious is a bit of a insult around here. Do better next time.
No one has mentioned this yet but remember when they said they wouldn't do teen romance anymore after the outrage of season 2? Then they added that shit back in in season 4.
As if they're intelligent enough to know what goes by "muh progressive"'s
>Mako and Asami were put in too early and we felt that people wanted Korra and Mako
>Mako and Korra was unlikeable by many others and we thought it was cute. Guess no one likes teen romance in stories
>We thought Korra x Asami was great because it shows we're moving forward!
IT'S LITERALLY THE SAME THING. They just switched out a guy for a girl!
>I was the original Korrasami shipper!
>I always wanted Korrasami to happen but I never thought I would!
>So I took what I thought to be a one season miniseries and made the two girls I totally wanted to be gay treat each other like shit over a guy!
>I'm so pro-gay!
My point was, that having a surprising end to Korras relationship problems is not necessarily shit writing.
Could it have been better developed? Perhaps. But we can never know, with what Bryke were working on
>>Asami accompanying Korra on the trip to face Zaheer for emotional support
>>Have Korra bat an eyelash when Asami gets ejected from the hummingmech and her father gets squashed
>>have maybe a close-up of Asami's worried face when looking for Korra instead of Mako's in the last 10 minutes of the show.
>b-but that's something that friends do
>actually come to think about it how the fuck DOES the Avatar world feel about the gay?
I don't think it was ever addressed. The gender and sexuality attitudes in the Avatar world are much more modern than one would expect based on their technology level. Katara acted like a modern teenager from the start.
>>They responded way too much to the fan base. And you can really tell that popular online opinions really effected their decision making as the series went along.
If they REALLY wanted to please the fanbase, they would have gone with Bolin/Korra or Bolin/Asami.
Korrasami was a crackship that nobody legitmately thought Bryke was going to entertain.
They didn't HAVE do that way. They could of just made strong implication confirmed it later.
Look at jet
>Jet died right?
>it was off screen and there was a lot of implying but...
>OH yeah so dead
couldn't they something of the sort without losing the quality of the writing?
Infact shouldn't the quality come freaking first verses just "hey character is bi everyone!!!".
Yeah sure thats ballsy on Nick, go for you. But what about having a good quality animated show? I thought that mattered a lot to you guys
So true, especially when compared to much of TLA which seemed far more like "oh were aware of what fans want and we might tease them about it but we'll give them what we give them in the end". Korra felt like Bryke would sit in his office in the dark for hours at a time googling each episode reading reviews laughing and crying about what fans thought of him. This of course eventually led him to tumblr which was the beginning of the end.
Eh. Having them literally announce their sexuality feels a bit stunted. I only know one gay guy and I was the only one who deemed necessary to ask him confirmation that he was gay, everybody could apparently plainly see it.
I understand that Korrasami was certainly not lesbianism in plain sight, but it would still feel incomfortable having that announced as dialogue. You know, show don't tell and all that.
WHAT WILL WE SHOEHORN INTO IKKI HERE?!?!?!?
Ha. HAhAHA, Oh, you're serious. No, Korrasami was the number one ship on tumblr. And that's where Bryan took all his ideas from, tumblr.
>Mako and Korra broken up
>Korra and Asami munching carpet
>Pemma and Tenzin kissing onscreen
>Toph showing up
>Asami's final speech was pulled word for word for tumblr posts over a year ago.
They planned this back in season one when they introduced metalbending, according to Bryke they secretly built a time machine and went back to convince Toph to teach metalbending to everyone so they could one day build a giant mechasuit which of course paves the way for mecha dildos which confirmed KORRASAMI
>fuck you if you don't believe me.
I well I know that but I'm just noticing how media is changing. Like when I was watch a live-action family show with my little sister, I shit you not, the the main parents were hanging out with mom's the were partners and the episode was featuring them.
It's people being gay in family is becoming more like "yeah thats a thing people come across" and less odd.
>They didn't HAVE do that way. They could of just made strong implication confirmed it later.
So holding both hands and staring into each other's eyes isn't a strong enough implication?
>>Look at jet
Character's dying is a way less touchy subject than same sex relationships in kid's shows. Seriously.
>>couldn't they something of the sort without losing the quality of the writing?
The quality of the writing was already lost. These are the same people who handled Korra/Mako trying to handle the delicate bomb that is the depcition of a homosexual relationship between the main characters of a show on NICKELODEON.
>>Yeah sure thats ballsy on Nick, go for you. But what about having a good quality animated show? I thought that mattered a lot to you guys
Having a good quality show is not what matters to Nick. They care about making money.
I understand what Bryke wanted to do, but between their writing and the fact that they had to deal with a kid's network, I'm not surprised that their handling of a homosexual relationship was not a work of art.
But I appreciate the effort, because I realize that with the way networks and kids animation work, that it still required a great deal of effort.
Except they only thought they were getting one season. Korra was originally supposed to be a miniseries. Nick didn't greenlight more seasons until the end Which means whatever you saw in s1 was their original series ending.
That Bryan is trying to say now that he was totally up for some lesbians with that story just shows he wants tumblr praise over actually sticking to his own writing. I mean, god, Korra treated Asami like garbage in s1.
>Watch this thread die very shortly after I post this image from one of the artists.
>Except they only thought they were getting one season. Korra was originally supposed to be a miniseries. Nick didn't greenlight more seasons until the end Which means whatever you saw in s1 was their original series ending.
>That Bryan is trying to say now that he was totally up for some lesbians with that story just shows he wants tumblr praise over actually sticking to his own writing. I mean, god, Korra treated Asami like garbage in s1.
Whether you're serious or trolling, fuck you and all that you stand for. You play into the hands of idiots and lower all fucking discourse to the level of the loudest, most obnoxious partisan idiots and then make EVERYONE out to be an obnoxious partisan idiot.
You are the reason the internet has gone to shit and reasonable people can no longer make their voices heard.
I supported it, but it never crossed my mind that it had a hair's breadth of a chance.
Asami as a character felt totally irrelevant to me. Often it seemed like they gave her way more shit than they realized, so I chalked it up to bad writing.
On /co/? It kind of is.
Pretty much any obviously SJW post on /co/ is confirmed for false flag/bait within minutes when the guy doesn't respond to anything.
Have you seen the threads about sexism in comics? They get pruned within minutes because it's obviously just some retard trying to stir shit up.
Get a better trolldar, anon.
This is the only piece of art I have saved of them. The majority of their art is literally tumblr tier.
I know that face. It's the same expression of unsuccesfully stifled envy that flashes across my own face every time I see my best friend and his girlfriend being cute. Lemme tell ya, anons -- both gay and straight. It's fuckin' weird being good friends with a couple and then finding yourself lusting after the guy and the girl.
>Watch this thread die very shortly after I post this image from one of the artists.
>this image that was already posted in every other thread even before the episode was actually shown
That red pill doesn't look very red to me.
>Like when I was watch a live-action family show with my little sister, I shit you not, the the main parents were hanging out with mom's the were partners and the episode was featuring them.
As I said, it's cut and past. It's a complicated issues with multiple sides, and all of them are changing.
And yes, live action family shows- which also typically have viewers much older than Nick's 10 to 13 demographic- can go further with such themes.
And yes, things change with time. One day we'll all consider what happened on LoK rather tame because we'll have a kid's show that features a homosexual relationship as a critical part of the ongoing narrative- and it'll just be part of the show and not a statement about anything.
>Korrasami, I'd say outside the most dedicated of shippers who saw meaning in everything no one had any fucking clue this was coming until the last second.
I dunno, I took note of Asami's "or anything" and so I kept a close watch on Korra and Asami's interactions in Book 4. And there was a lot supporting it: Asami offering to go with Korra to the South Pole, Korra only able to write to Asami, and the entire "Reunion" episode. By then, I was sure that Bryke were at least deliberately teasing the fandom with it, and might even be headed to an ambiguous "Korra is alone but there are hints that she's really with/going to be with Asami".
Was Asami jealous of Korra.. or of Mako?
This is why the whole group felt off to me. I get that they are supposed to have gotten over it, but we never really see them interacting as friends outside of the season finales, and most of the time they are just fighting together.
I found my self asking "why are they friends" over and over again as the seasons went along.
And where the fuck was my hotspring episode?
>I dunno, I took note of Asami's "or anything" and so I kept a close watch on Korra and Asami's interactions in Book 4. And there was a lot supporting it: Asami offering to go with Korra to the South Pole, Korra only able to write to Asami, and the entire "Reunion" episode. By then, I was sure that Bryke were at least deliberately teasing the fandom with it
I made the same jokes as well, but I made them in the context of... "Oh Pema's totally has a cuckqueen/pregnancy fetish" or "Desna and Eska sleep in the same bed so they must be creepy incestuous twins" kind of way.
I *could* see where they could develop any of that, but since we're watching a Y-7 cartoon on Nickelodeon, there was no reason to ASSUME they would.
I'd be proud if I could take personal credit for destroying all reasonable debate on the Internet.
>You can't say that it doesn't look like it was forced.
As in someone had to argue for the idea because it's not one that just comes up and gets executed organically in the current enviroment of childrens' animation?
Yes. It was forced. All of Korra was forced, really.