In the X series, Mavericks die, but not in the Classic series
He never irreparably destroys them
It gets mention in official Capcom stuff that Rock takes special care to never destroy the I.C. Chip so's the Robot Master isn't "killed" and can be rebuilt".
>Q. I have a question for you, Doctor. What happens to the boss characters after they are defeated by Rockman? Are they just scrapped…? Or, do they get rebuilt?
>A. Ha ha ha… Not to worry! The robots’ parts are normally recovered and recycled.
>Especially boss-class robots, as long as their IC (Integrated Circuit) Chip’s “cognitive circuit” is not completely destroyed, it’s possible to rebuild them any number of times.
>Of course, Rockman takes great care never to damage the “cognitive circuit” of his enemies even while he’s battling them!
>no Misadventures of Tron Bonne or Mega Man ZX
I doubt they'll ever do that, to be honest
Once they finish retelling all the Classic games, it'll just be original stories with the characters until cancellation, much like the Sonic comics.
We might get an X spinoff, but I'd be willing to bet that it'll be the exact same thing as the Classic comic, only with X characters
Just in case, it was a virus Willy planted on him.
Honestly, I'm surprised that Mega Man being corrupted in that particular arc wasn't passed as him being the infamous Quint and avoid the whole time-traveling elephant in the living room.
Maybe I just need to read that full arc, but the one issue I did read, Wily's plan made like no logical sense
"I will build 8 Robot Masters for the purpose of....Mega Man killing them"
And didn't Quick Man himself actually kill one of his own brothers to stop him from actually finishing Mega Man off? All so that Quick himself could be killed to complete Wily's plan?
What kind of plan is that?
the plan was putting parts of a virus in their weapon data
Either the robot masters beat Megaman, or they lose and Wily still wins from the virus. Then he can just rebuild the robot masters afterward.
Quick Man was a retard doing his own thing and messing everything up.
Robot Masters are on the level where they aren't entirely aware of their cognitive functions in every aspect. They're literally just a touch away from having "human" minds in every sense, just with metal bodies and reprogrammable brains.
Yeah, but from a technical point of view, communication in machine speak, whatever that is in that case, would be more efficient, faster and less ambigious.
Imagine two characters with Spanish as their native language in a movie talking English to each other just so the viewer knows what's going on - in reality, they would talk Spanish because they're more familiar with it. It's kinda like that.
Yet these machines are made to replicate humans. They can even eat and drink, fall in love, etc. Their communicative capabilities are limited to speech. Hell, X has a fucking laptop in this same comic.
I don't think they're actually able to consciously do that. That's how "human" their conscious minds are.
Like, if you try reprogramming them their brains will accept the data you input, but they wouldn't understand it just LOOKING at it. It's like assuming humans can just understand electrical impulses as words from a distance.
>"He's okay with them being destroyed."
Also the entire arc was a huge oversight on the writer's part because he actually wasn't well enough versed on the lore. There's a few oddities in terms of characterization and a couple of plotholes in there.
>Hell, X has a fucking laptop in this same comic.
...that's actually cheesy as fuck in its own right.
I have no clue about the Megaman universe, it's just something I generally noticed just now. This happens quite often in other media as well, if you think about it, and considering where we are right now in terms of technology, it seems to be quite outdated.
C3PO and R2D2 from Star Wars come to mind, for example. Considering they could just share 0s and 1s via wireless transmissions nowadays, it seems a bit silly to me right now that they communicate with beeps and actual language.
The thing with Mega Man is that it's canon that, in the Classic timeline, the Robot Masters are ABSURDLY close to human mentality. They feel everything, but their one limitation is that they can not truly self-determine. They're unable to choose to disregard things that are programmed into them. That's literally the only thing separating them from human thought.
X series onwards has robots who are mentally exactly the same as humans.
In Mega Man Powered Up, you can unlock robot masters to be playable if you defeat them without the weapon they are weak to.
So if you ever exploited a weakness, you are a Mega Man of Murder. Congrats.
If you want a robot to think and act like a human, it makes sense that you design them to think and act like humans. If efficiency were the goal, there would be no reason to allow quirks like sarcasm and personality traits like laziness.
It was okay. The Classic parts were pointless.
And if they never make more X stories, the X parts were ultimately pointless as well.
Yeah, but from a programming point of view, talking in beeps or English is like someone with Spanish talking in English. It's one step more needed. Think of machine language as the native language of a robot.
Though you can easily handwave this with different kinds of machine language being in place or no common interface.
>Play Mega Man X Command Mission
>The word maverick no longer has any meaning
People complain about how Resident Evil lore got tangled and retarded, but Mega Man X's lore is the most convoluted and retarded thing ever.
It always felt like there was a cartoon I never watched that accompanied the games.
After the Maverick virus is finally destroyed, 'Maverick' is just a blanket term for any Reploid who starts causing trouble.
>It's Mega Man, he's always been a bit psychotic.
By making them think like humans they're already not speaking in "machine language". They don't think about programming, they think in concepts and concepts alone, like humans.
How hard is this to grasp?
Not really. A maverick, before the virus outbreak, meant any reploid that did criminal activities. Robbery, violence against a human or other reploids etc. Maverick hunters existed before the virus outbreak, that's how they could respond to Zero losing his shit and spreading the virus in the first place.
>The word maverick no longer has any meaning
You...beat the game right?
That's literally the point. They openly address this in dialogue. You're saying you think it's weird they addressed this, not complaining about a major theme of the game before beating it, right?
Then take some protocol that's common for communication, or an external API. You know what I mean.
Technically the communication between robots, assuming they both use common standards, should be no different than the communication between your notebook and your internet router.
Dude, I explicitly excluded Megaman in my previous post.
Even though on a very basic level, they have to use some kind of programming or machine language, unless magic is involved.
>Robot going "maverick" just means they are independent and selfish at the same time.
>No humans in any Megaman X games
>Robots might as well be the entire population
>Meaning these sentient robots are just dealing with being human in the absence of humans and the fact they compare themselves to humans is stupid in the first place.
I was paying attention to the story more than the theme. You could remove the term maverick from the entirety hat game and not a thing would change.
I'm hoping it goes the Sonic X route: despite the show being popular it doesn't get more than a few seasons and the comic is eventually cancelled to make way for a new comic series.
>Even though on a very basic level, they have to use some kind of programming or machine language
That's kind of what I was trying to get at with the sodium ion analogy. On a basic level, all our thought processes are based on the movement of ions. But you and I couldn't understand what those movements actually mean, and it wouldn't be great for communication. Likewise, if one of the primary purposes of a given robot is to emulate a human, it wouldn't make much sense for them to communicate in the equivalent of ions. You can't make friends with a router, but theoretically you do want to make friends with the robot.
The game blatantly points out that what is and isn't "Maverick" is entirely subjective and it's just a label passed around to demonize enemies.
The heroes' comeback is essentially "yo that doesn't matter you're still fuckin crazy".
It is seriously part of the story that the word "Maverick" is meaningless bullshit. It changes the story significantly to remove that: the rationale of both major villains crumbles entirely without it.
>Ian still pretends Ice Man and Roll isn't a familial relation.
>Presents Wily's robots as "brothers"
>Ignores the far-more-prominent Rock x Roll shipping in the series.
He ended up pulling his own version of "Knuckles and Julie-Su are 'cousins'" by mistake.
If we go the "creator determines family" route, any romance between Reploids is incest by way of X/Light (except for Zero, obviously.) There are no actual families, just what each individual considers their family.
This can all be avoided if we ship Roll.....with a Wily or Cossack Number
>not shipping the house keeper with the vacuum cleaner
>mfw a fucking Mega man comic prominently features a character who wants to fuck his own sister
Seriously, Ice Man. What the fuck?
>Implying you wouldn't.
Pretty sure there's a difference between model/framework and literal creator, and Reploids started creating reploids and such.
But you're right, it's mostly what the robot considers family. Which is what makes the logic weird since the robots apparently consider Light dad but only certain Light robots consider each other siblings (and Rock considers the robot he has the worst relationship with his "brother", but only him).
And don't the Wily Numbers do the same thing, but only with the guys of their own series?
Like Magnet Man would consider Top Man his brother (both Third Numbers), but not Flash Man (a second number)?
No little girl of mine is being in any dirty hillbilly incest relationship!
The comics seem to indicate they consider each other brothers regardless of series.
If we're talking about the games, there's so few actual Wily Numbers created by Wily that it'd be iffy to say either way anyway.
Fuck off Boco
Literally the only time I see you pop up is when Roll is mentioned. You're obviously a fucking waifufag in denial, trying to cover it with some white-knighting "protect her honor" bullshit
>The rationale of both villains crumbles entirely
>A counter government group and government group
>Both striving for a source of infinite power
Maverick has nothing to do with it. It was a power struggle between armies
I think the difference is that Rock, Blues and Roll were all created (in Light's mind, at least) to be family first, whereas the other Light RMs were created to be workers first. It's why those three have personal names while the rest are all Something Man.
>there's so few actual Wily Numbers created by Wily
I dunno, man.
The Seconds, Fifth, Seventh and Eighth are all Wily Numbers, and I think the Stardroids were too? and the Thirds are half Wily's...That's still half the games right there
>Ignore content of post
>Claim it has nothing to do with anything.
Their entire means of justification hinged on the Maverick buzzword. Removing that from the plot would, in fact, alter it.
But then the comic kinda goes backwards on that, with Blues originally being created as the proto-Sniper Joe that Light tooled into a son because why not.
And then Light replaced that son with a new son and daughter and...suddenly lost that sentimentality and just started making worker bots who are worker bots and not actually attached to him...and you factor in the Lalinde situation.
No mater how you slice there's something off, either with the internal consistency or Light's logic and morality.
No, the "maverick" army attacked first against the government. The government riposted.
The maverick designation was not necessary to create sides, but was a buzzword to distinguish the sides and could have been changed or left out of the game entirely.
>And you could argue Sword Man since he stole the sword and built a robot around it.
Well, that argument would be grasping at straws.
That would be like saying that he didn't build Wood Man, because he took a tree and just built a robot inside it
Blues wasn't created as a proto-Joe, so much as Light stole funding from the government so he could realize his dream of having a robot son, and at the last minute had to actually deliver on what the military actually asked for.
The experience was painful, so later on he made a much more definite separation between immediate family and worker.
meanwhile X and Zero murder the fuck out of robots who were wrongly accused of being mavericks and created an independent nation in order to avoid persecutions and then zero in the zero series pretty much defends reploids who were pulling the same shit those reploids they killed were doing
What you don't seem to understand about Megaman is that "networks" and wireless communication are an alternate universe development. The focus on robotic analog beings stunted their communications technologies. And vice-versa in Lan's world.
The one thing it did rightest was that no one character seemed completely useless.
I mean, X was slightly overpowered compared to the rest, but each character had their own strengths and I actually used each one of them throughout the game for about the same amount of time.
Unlike other RPGs where you have the haves and have nots.
>tfw Cleverbot was programmed by anons talking to it
>tfw unicorns and accusations of robot-hood
>tfw that God discussion
>tfw I have no face
We really fucked up that robot, didn't we?
To be fair, the Repliforce goons had gone full retard and didn't disarm when they were asked when they were under investigation for the Sky Lagoon incident because "MUH PRIDE".
If the Repliforce had complied, the events of X4 could have largely been avoided. It's their own damn fault; they were being prideful dickbags and they paid the price for it. X tried to reason with their stupid asses, but they pretty much slammed the door in his face, pretty much eliminating any chances of actual negotiations ever happening.
Even then, Axl felt like he was more or less a replacement for Spider, albeit a better replacement, because his Giga Attack wasn't a game of chance.
I want to believe that the actual Spider is still alive somewhere.
It was both. The Robot Masters were supposed to destroy Mega Man. Since they'd already been through this kind of thing already, Wily set up the back-up plan that the weapon data would corrupt MM every time he copied it. So either the Robot Masters win, or Mega Man wins but corrupts himself.
There was a lot of females operators in BN. But since most Navis are based on Robot Masters, most of them were male, except for Ring.
>BN ended too early
>We will never get SplashWoman.EXE
Why is she so perfect?
And why did Dr. Light design her with no means of moving on land where she could be around other people? Now she's all by her lonesome. Fuck you, Tom.
Of course I can.
J-just let me get into my Ride Armor first.
Why don't you get back to riding Sigma's coattails, you lazy ripoff of an already shitty bounty hunter.
>>We will never get SplashWoman.EXE
It's just not fair.
I know, and it sucks. Damn my inability to draw.
>There was a lot of females operators in BN.
My favorite is Shuko. The adorable little fuck up.
Can't blame them. A mer-butt would be pretty muscular. Even a robotic simulation.
I don't. I just like that panel as a reaction image.
>implying I don't tear up a little every time because I'll never be able to keep her company
>implying Ian doesn't relish in making ridiculous plot concepts work
>implying he'll ever balk at time travel
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Time SKimmer was introduced in the X crosover
>how about that crossover
looking forward to the follow up
I don't understand why. MM2 cast were supposed to return for Super Adventure Rockman. It's no worse than typical comic book revivals.
Wow, that is kinda sad, actually. She needs that to cut open ship hulls so she can rescue people.
It's gotta be traditional hand-holding love. I sincerely doubt Dr. Light outfitted his children with genetalia.
In the most recent arc, he tried going back into the past to stop robot Masters from happening, but messed up and wound up seeing all the events of MMclassic, Worlds Collide, and wound up in Mega Man X's time. The trip made him go nuts and now he's a psychopath scrawling notes on the walls of a prison.
So he'll probably be a much different character the next time we see him because seeing that he was right and that robots took over the world is causing him to become a very desperate man.
>You know where his lab is, don't you?
>there will never be a 3DS or vita battle network game with online play
fuck you anon
I was just expressing my hate for the character, actually.
was serenade.EXE a guy or a girl?
i remember it being called "queen of the undernet" in one game but it's always referred as a "HE"
otherwise it's just roll, ring, meddy & iris are the only named female navis
So it seems Xander Payne is turning into the stand-in for this guy.
>you will never happen across a sad Splash Woman and become her friend
>you will never cure this hero who has saved countless lives of her loneliness
Why must she suffer?
This is going to sound ridiculously edgy, but I really hope Splash Woman is the lead Robot Master of the 9 arc and there are a lot more moments like that. Well-meaning suffering robots make for such good stories.
Not edgy at all, in fact it makes perfectly good sense. She is the one Rock faced during the time jumping incident and she did make that little speech, so it seem s like that where it's going anyway.
Soon, Splash shall rise up and lead her brothers in rebellion against the oppressive humans who treat them like disposable junk!
She and Tornado Man were the leaders in Rockman Megamix.
Fitting, as they are the two most popular of the MM9 Robot Masters.
yeah, but redips and axl need a target to transform into.
That means Spider actually existed at some point.
Might be dead now, but at one point there was a real Spider walking around somewhere
It's a classic case of the higher ups taking something that worked and overdoing it. Worlds Collide was great, but we don't need to do that all the damn time. Hell, the Classic/X story might've been better received if they had just launched X's book first and let himself get established before doing a crossover.
For some reason I always liked these pages a lot.
Weil is a great bad guy because he's just such a douche. It all comes down to his ego. He wants everyone to suffer but him, just because he's angry that he was sentenced to a living hell for causing a war that nearly destroyed all life. What an asshole.
More fitting than that. Their designs were directly based on Leviathan and Harpuia.
Have you played the games? Roll wants "The Rockman" from Megaman.
I only skimmed the thread, so maybe someone else mentioned it, but Mega trues to legit murder Wily at the end of Megaman 7.
The translation is rough, but I still love that scene.
>I never watched LOTGH
>I dont understand how laying down their arms every time some asshole thinks they should leaves them exposed and vulneralbe
>I dont understand that this is basically one country demanding another to disarm
I don't know anything about Megaman as I never grew up with games, but in hype of When Worlds Collide I started reading them and they're pretty good. I still read them. The strong point of series is that it never had point when you want to ask what is this bullshit, but it never had golden age of sorts like Sonic had. Mega man is kinda stale, but if you like Ian Flynn's writing and, well, work that Sonic's creative team does as a whole, then you'll like this too.
Technically the Robot Masters do wirelessly speak with the robots they master. They speak in english to each other and to humans. Because that was the whole point of their design, to put a "human" face on robots so that they wouldn't be treated as simple tools or machines.
In retrospect, that was probably MM9's biggest failing....all the bosses just being rehashes (moreso than usual, I mean)
Like, yeah, Magnet Man and Ring Man look alike, but they're still different in terms of powers and what not.
But like you said, Splash and Tornado were just Leviathan and Harpuia
Concrete Man was just Guts Man
Galaxy Man was just Astro Man
Plug Man was just Dynamo Man
Hornet Man gets sort of a pass...his power was like that one wasp reploid, but at least he had a pretty unique design.
Magma Man and Jewel Man were probably the two most original. I mean, we've had fire and shield robots before, but not ones that have those particular body types
Well, to be absolutely fair, Repliforce was being tricked by Sigma, and Repliforce was willing to KILL ALL HUMANS in response to being accused of Mavericks
Fucking Iris says that she wanted to live in a world where only Reploids exist and Magma Dragoon fucking dropped Sky Lagoon just to get a chance to fight X and Zero.
It cculdn't be helped.
On another note, Roll is adorable
>Weil is a great bad guy because he's just such a douche. It all comes down to his ego. He wants everyone to suffer but him, just because he's angry that he was sentenced to a living hell for causing a war that nearly destroyed all life. What an asshole.
Maybe they should have just killed him.
I do like that the last enemy in the series is a human though
Mega Man is basically an assassin. He infiltrates a highly defended compound, takes out only what guards he needs to, ignores the rest of the infrastructure. His only goal is the termination of the commander at the center of it all. Mega Man is hardcore.
But I hardly have to tell you that, do I, /co/? You're well aware of this.
>Mega Man is basically an assassin.
The truth was out, the hired gun was on his way, and we were both as good as dead. But I looked to the stars and I swore, if we were both taking the big sleep, I’d take the rat out myself!
>but it's always referred as a "HE"
That might just be an English fuck up though. Japanese has genderless pronouns so it doesn't have to commit and can leave characters ambiguous.
OT: actually lead to a plothole that only existed in English Metal Gear where the one who made Gray Fox into the Cyborg Ninja was always referred to in English as 'he', but then turned out to be Para-Medic from MGS3. So the MGS database had to add a side not in English that Naomi had never known who Dr. Clark was and just assumed it was a dude in error.
>Implying I implied either of these things.
Read the post again.
I'm pointing at the hypocrisy of acknowledging the far less subtle implicit maybe-incest but not the blatant case and trying to sugar coat it with sketchy justifications.
It's never mentioned in Powered Up. It's from Battle & Chase.
In Powered Up Roll's crush on Rock is played up heavily, though.
Go play X4 again.
X and/or Zero tell Colonel that Repliforce will be branded as Mavericks, not that they will be Mavericks. The game doesn't beat around the bush; Repliforce was treated as a bunch of Mavericks due to political shenanigans.
>Now there's never any new art of her
There's always Fupoo.
It will never be enough.
>fall into obscurity
His entire involvement in the arc was to hype him up since fans generally either don't like him or are completely apathetic towards him.
His involvement in the arc, sadly, was the worst part of a really mediocre arc and took away screen time from X and Classic when the quality/sales of the arc determine whether or not we get an X book.
>He ends up being a villain because he tries to kill the good robots, too.
>Sonic fans hate him anyway because he brings back the HUMAN VS FURRY HATE WAR thing again.
Being Xander is suffering, why can't Archie fans like him?
The problem wasn't that Ra Moon brought their shells back, it's that Ra Moon somehow brought their personalities back using Wily's "data".
In the SAR game, Ra Moon gives them new shells and Wily individually reinstalled their IC chips. In the comics, Mega Man destroyed their chips in the MM2 arc. It was a bit of a goof.
Smoke weed erry day.
>Knowing most of the robots are actually okay guys
>Throughout eleven games, Wily has only filled the roster by himself TWICE
My compatriot of african descent.
As much as fans would have bitched, giving X the book for four months would have been a better option.
Or, fuck, just a four month long backup, ala Ken's really obvious pitches for the Knuckles series in the early days.
>Galaxy Man is Astro Man
He's the game's Cut Man, he just has a space theme. In terms of personality at least.
They wobble from really strong to flaccid.
The writer doesn't know how to play on his strengths and is too rigid with the formula. A lot of the new details added to the universe are also not exactly well thought out, too, and overall it feels like there's just less attention to detail and more pandering "hey guys here's a reference to those things you/we like" jokes and nods.
7/10 bretty gud.
Three times if we count RnB...and we should, because Astro Man is a fucking double dipper. May as well be Wily's.
I'd kill for a Mario series that was like the one in the Nintendo Power magazine.
My guess would be Ninty tightly handles the reigns for its IPs. I mean, Miyamoto didn't even like the Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door or Mario Galaxy story elements, what are the chances he'd like what story elements a comic book would bring?
I guess I didn't phrase it right.
What I'm saying is that the comic was basically just a tiny booklet that came with the arranged OST and served as a Megamix style/canon prologue to the game. It only goes over how the 9bots wrecked the original Light bots and declared war on the world. It doesn't get into the actual game.
Think of those promotional tie ins the Sonic comics do for Sonic games, where they only ever do the intro cutscene or first level of a game. It's like one of those. You can find scans online, but it'll probably never get an "official" release.
Yardley pitched an Archie Mario, Kirby, and Metroid comic at Nintendo.
Nintendo didn't wanna do it.
You got your facts mixed son.
Yeah, s'pose it's four times really. 2, 5, Rn'B, and V for the ol' Game Boy. Ah well.
WOw anon I posted that last night and I just came on to see this thread was still up. You're quite lucky
Go to the point where she is fighting Copy Robot 5:16
Did somebody mention
Also, kinda surprised there wasn't a storytiming in this thread. Oh well, maybe next time.
I would like a comic with Kirby's lore.
Serenade was supposed to be beyond gender, but his official title is King, so yeah. The NT Warrior manga had a few hilarious pronoun screw ups. One chapter they say SHE and HER and then the rest of the manga they use male pronouns.
The Robot Masters were built to be families and friends for other people. Rock, Roll and Blues were the only ones who he made for himself (and Blues was a mistake in that regard as he was using military funding to do it.)
magma dragoon worked only for Sigma who told him to pretend to be a part of repliforce, notice how half the X4 bosses had Maverick logos while the other half had repliforce logo. Sigma had several reploids working to escalate the situation.
In the comics, they were brought back with backups Wily installed on his laptop wirelessly. People thought it was a big tension killer if 99% of the cast never even had a remote chance of actually dying.
When you say "by himself" are we counting repurposed Robot Masters as Wily's, or only if he built from scratch?
Because the ones from 2 and 5 he made from scratch, and 7-8 are filled with some robots he'd taken or had been thrown away along with his own
Magma Dragoon was a Maverick Hunter, and he turned Maverick so he could fight X and/or Zero.
Cyber Peacock is actually an AI program, corrupted by Sigma, Split Mushroom is one of Sigma's agents. All the other 5 are members of Repliforce, even Jet Stingray
You should be glad, most megman threads on /v/ turn into protomen vs the megas /mu/ wanks
I never said that it was a unique body type overall, but it was unique compared to the other fire robots.
Like Jewel Man...he's just Top Man with a diamond in his head, but we've never seen that body type on a shield robot before.
Compare those with Concrete Man...he's a stone robot, and he has the same body type as both Guts Man and Stone Man.
It's a relativity thing...out of all the MM9 Masters, I'd say Jewel and Magma are the most unique compared to all the others
Nigga ya can't read.
Compared to previous masters, Jewel and Magma look like existing masters more than Splash does, and even Splash has more distinguishing features compared to Lev than Jewel does compared to Top.
I kind of agree with you. But I'll go one step further. MM9's biggest failing was also its biggest strength, that it was trying to be retro.
>Story is very similar to the one in MM1 with some elements from 5
>Robot Masters are all designed to look familiar
>Mega Man only has his most basic abilities like in MM1&2
>Proto Man only appears at the end to mirror the scene at the end of MM3
It's for that reason I like MM10 more. Sure, it was 8-bit, but it didn't feel as backwards as MM9. At least that had Proto Man playable from the start, so I can use abilities from games post MM2. I also liked the high-risk-high-reward playstyle of Proto Man a lot. It felt like a necessary addition.
Shadowman. Best or greatest robot master of all time?
You can't wadow the shadow.
What I didn't like about 10 was that, for me, the level designs just didn't seem as fun for most of the levels.
But those Robot Masters though...and bringing back the Rockman Killers for those downloadable levels.
Dr. Wily was motivated by greed, vanity and jealousy. Sigma wanted to unlock the full potential of "worthy" reploids and purge the world of humans and "inferior" reploids.
Dr. Weil is just driven by hate and non-specific revenge.
>even being anywhere close to as good as any of the MM2 Robot masters
What I like of him is not really his motivations (I'll admit they weren't the best) but his ruthlessness. He's so willing to punish everyone in return of his imprisonment that he will go all the way to make it happen.
Plus he's the "pure evil" kind of guy, which I find a nice way to make a villain. Like Ozai was in ATLA, dude just was evil and it was cool; it was menacing, because you'd know that he wouldn't stop just by talking and the only way to put a halt on him was nutting up.
>ANY of the MM2 Robot Masters
And Bubble Man is only good in an "lol, he's so goofy" way, not even a "he's so cool!" way
the other six guys are still cooler than Shadow Man
You're right. I think "irrational" is a better term for his desire for revenge. He wants revenge on people who don't even know who he is. And his solution to people escaping his tyranny? BLOW THEM UP!
The virus merged with his programing and allowed him to infect others and return from death. But was Sigma really crazy? Or did the virus simply remove his inhibitions?
Yeah, but it felt kind of incomplete in 9. In 10 it felt like the game was designed around multiple playable characters.
>Dad tells me I have a magnetic personality
>The girl I like never wants to stay with me
>Now her brother is coming to kill me
Without 3, we would not have Shadowman, Magnetman, and Protoman. MM2 is overrated anyway.
I understand your pain man, I always push away the people I love
>has the power to attract others
>thinks he has any right to complian
Unfortunately 10's level design was balls compared to 9's and the character designs even less interesting.
10 had Nitro Man. And I guess Sheep Man. Otherwise it may very well have the worst collection of robot masters ever.
At least your dad loves you.
Oh, cut it out you blowhard!
Always with the whining! How about you sharpen your social skills? Blow the girls away!
>10 had Nitro Man. And I guess Sheep Man. Otherwise it may very well have the worst collection of robot masters ever.
I dunno...I thought Blade Man and Pump Man were pretty neat. I loved Chill Man, but that might have been more because of his theme music. I could listen to it all day
That wasn't the virus. He really was that fucking crazy at first. The virus was partially made as a way of controlling him. In the bad ending path of X5, he's very calm and focused once infected with the virus.
>Complain about daddy issues.
>tfw no family.
You...YOU! You have very good taste. My list of top 5 robot masters.
He was talking about the weapon when he said "shittiest shield power"
And Skull Barrier is hardly the worst. I'd say it's average. Not as good as Jewel Satellite or Star Crush, but better than Leaf Shield and Water Shield
That's wrong. The only difference is he doesn't speak. We don't really know what's going through his head at that point.
After 9 previous games, it's hard to not re-tread some ground, design AND power wise. Ultimately, I think 9's biggest failing is the constant 1-hit deaths. Only Fake Man's stage really relied on endurance of constant enemies to kill you.
I think the problem is his motives. He's developed as this mentally stunted "I hate technology!" guy with a shallow motive of having lost his eye, so that makes robots bad. If he was more tragic, more relatable, or wasn't just a stupid stubborn kid, maybe he'd work as an antagonist.
Or if he had anything else going on in his life that creates tension or a conflict of interest...like his brother, who has a lover tied up in the mess who he doesn't want to get hurt. Or said lover, who has a nasty vendetta against an existing character.
Really, anyone in the Emerald Spears could take Xander's place and the story would just be more interesting.
I'd like to see that guy come back in some other capacity, but Ian was pretty adamant about the fact that the audience wasn't supposed to like him and he was a one note character.
The series ended, and nicely if I remember well. It has been awhile since I've played it. Some series don't get the luxury to end when they're on top and they become stagnant and forgotten, like X. And on the flipside, some series just end to early and leave a feeling of incompleteness, like Legends sadly.
>some series just end to early and leave a feeling of incompleteness
What is ZX?
We will never get nothing. NEVER EVER ;-;
It got a sequel with a hook ending, no toys what so ever and little to no good fanart. ;-;
>tfw Star Force 4 was supposed to happen, but the low sales of Star Force 2 stopped it from happening.
Star Force 3 is generally seen as fucking amazing and following Battle Network tradition of being a drastic improvement on its predecessor. However, unlike with the Battle Network series, Star Force 2 was so bad that it made 3 the last one.
Oh shit. Fuck that's sad and slightly funny. How's the story in Starforce? Is it a direct sequel to BN, or is it just in the same universe with no direct references to past characters.
And how is it gameplay-wise?
I think Star Force 3 had the most customization of all of the BN/SF series.
>All of them Noise Changes
>Battle Cards from the last two games
>Building up Noise and Finalize
Star Force 1 is like 100 years in the future of Battle Network and pretty much ruins the potential to make it a lasting series using the elements of the first game because the writers were retarded.
2 is a tedious slog with a nonsense story.
3's bretty good.
They're all about aliens.
>We will never have Archie Mario.
>We will never have a mix of more funny and action than the sonic and Megaman comics (The nature of the games wouldn't work if they took themselves as seriously.)
>We will never have re-iamginings of stuff like Sunshine, galaxy or the RPG games.
>We will never have a Worlds Collide with the big three
And are the stories in each game independent of each other, or is there an overarching story. Reading other people's posts, it seems like my best best is playing 3.
Most manga sites won't post it because it's officially licensed, and the audience isn't broad enough to warrant piracy. It's available in most stores that sell manga. 10 bucks per volume.
You couldn't find it before it was licensed either. It's always been kind of a rare manga online. I wish someone would get the licensing rights for Mega Man X soon. It has some really interesting deviations from the games
You won't be missing much if you skip 2. Only Solo/Rogue, Phantom and Apollo make an appearance, and even then, in 3 there's an in-game dictionary that recaps terms, characters and themes from past games
That's really a fuck-up for Ian. I guess he tried to make a relatable villain with Xander, with the whole vengeance crap, but it just falls flat because he didn't really lost much compared to others bystanders who probably have lost a lot more. MAYBE he was limited because of the rating or the comic, but still. I mean seriously, I would kinda give him a pass if he had to be reconstructed like almost entirely (leaving only important parts fleshy), if not he just feels like a big baby.
The only flaw of the previous leader was that he was too much of a hippie and was accustomed to preach to the choir. Which in my opinion was ten times better.
Now I'll admit though I haven't read the latest issues, so I'm just judging from Spirit Ex Machina and the new year thing.
I just want more Nintendo Power style Mario comics. Those were the greatest.
Anyone that thinks robots should be able to communicate through anything but speech is exactly the kind of idiot that would let a humanity-eliminating virus spread through our robot allies via data streaming, and we need to kill these fuckers before their stupidity infects the roboticists of the future.
The X crossover is Xander's worst story yet. He just devolves into an even bigger fanatic, screeching about the evils of robots and how he was right all along. He's actually lost depth as a character, presumably in an attempt to make him "more of a threat" so fans will like him.
Greenleaf makes for an interesting antagonist because he's strictly antagonistic, not evil or crude/cruel or wholly misguided. You could easily stick him in a lot of other positions (politician, police, non-violent activist group, competing industry, etc) and still make him an obstacle to Mega Man being able to effectively do his job. A character in that position serves a different purpose than the other Archie originals introduced so far and can easily be drawn as a parallel to some classic robot stories (particularly Astro Boy).
I can deal with him not coming back into the story, and I'd rather not see him com back as part of the Emerald Spears, but it's a real shame that Ian responded to the feedback the way he did when people started moaning about it.
They don't want him to be right, so his position is shaky. But they also have him making a good point as his main selling point, as his personality is revolved entirely around that and nothing else. He's got no unique ability or flair, so he's just some dick who keeps showing up because they can't figure out why a character with no substance isn't being received better.
Villains like Xander are really tricky and the problem is that, unlike other comics, you can't just make him kill a bunch of people to make him a threat to the protagonist. That's cheap and betrays the idea of a Classic Mega Man comic series.
The same reason they didn't include Captain N Megaman, I suppose. And I think the reasoning there is mega-obvious.
I don't feel killing characters is needed. Making him villainous isn't the real challenge. It's making him believable and not 1-dimensional. Which for some reason, they think is the point of the character, when it clearly benefits no one.
It's a little slow and has rough patches, but if you're any kind of fan of the series,yeah sure. Their take on Wily is actually pretty good. And the stitching together of the various game plots are pretty good. The filler has been largely miss though.
By "by himself" I was counting only robots Wily built by himself. Stolen or repurposed robots don't quite count.
My secret dream is that everyone who wasn't his gets to go home. ;_;
The mood of the games is innocent enough that you're probably right. We see in MM9 that the robots get new jobs and extended lifespans. So maybe all of them survive ultimately.
Y'know, even though I've played and am still playing the classic games, I'd never quite thought of that.
I'd argue the opposite.
Stuff like the Protoman backstory, Shadow of the Moon, and the issue about Wily considering backing down on launching his revenge were all really good. It's the adaptations that are lacking.
...although, we do see, in Megaman 7, a robotic museum filled with former robot masters. It's unclear if these are decommissioned, or merely replicas. One could make a pretty
strongargument that Wily wouldn't go through that much trouble to steal a mere replica of Guts Man.
The 9 and 10 bots definitely got to go back to their normal lives, and the ones from games like 4 and 6 most likely did as well.
The questionable ones are games like 7, where some of the bots may or may not have stuck around afterwards.
The actual game adaptations are certainly... abrupt. I'd consider that a failing, yeah. But the virus in 2, and the team-up of 1 were pretty strong plot points. Is 3 still going on? Are we even there yet?
>but then 8's cutscenes pronouncing his name like the fish.
That's easily explainable as hilariously bad voice acting, though.
>On tonight's episode of Mega Man, the character of Dr. Light will be played by Elmer Fudd
Question. In the mega man games, one of the wily castles had a puzzle where there were lightning bolts/lasers that needed a certain weapon to slow down time so you could make the jumps without dying. Some people didn't figure it out, so they learned to do it without the weapon thanks to insane reflexes/memorizing patterns. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
The Guts-dozer is a little TOO big. Guts man was always supposed to be big. Early NES games just weren't clever enough to get around the sprite size limitations.
Quickman's stage on MM2?
I don't remember the castle but maybe the castle has them too.
And yeah to be sincere doing it fast isn't that hard really (in MM2 case). I mean yeah you die a couple of times before getting it, but that's Megaman being Megaman.
He seems like a good character when it isn't 1v1, as people won't always focus on closing the gap with him when other people are running around.
How does everyone feel that Banjo-Kazooie are finally in Smash Brothers?
It sucks, but it's 100% necessary. Anything melee-centric would be pretty unfaithful to his core principles.
Have we seen any footage of DHD in action? I'm really looking forward to him. This fan-made movelist was a pretty good sell, made me want him before the leak.
An off-panel. I'm sorry, not canon.
He has to be standing motionless though, right? Or does he even do that while running around?
I'm shocked, but Bowser Jr. seem to have one of the most fun movesets, at least just from watching. Those drills. Those mecha koopas. Those alt costumes.
Hard to say. They probably aren't going to overrepresent a third party, but like you said, it's such a rich topic.