Their love affair was one of the ultra-few bright spots of the Scully era and wanted to see them live happily ever after. But NOOOOOO! They got broken up and in the worst possible way in one if not THE worst episodes ever.......
That was the episode that broke me from being a lifelong, obsessive fan
After turtle-boy in congress filibustered his own bill I'm not sure even republicans know what they stand for.
>we're... >small government >big state >localist >state rightist >anti-immigrant >pro-cuban-exile >anti-drug >anti-abortion >anti-pregnancy >pro-viagra >populist >voter disenfranchising >freedom loving >mass surveilling >pro-law&order >pro-gun >anti-tax >anti-deficit >pro-prison >anti-crime >pro-death penalty >pro-lifers >and we WILL filibuster bills that we ourselves introduce if we don't give ourselves whatever it is we finally decide we want in that bill.
>>64511641 Between that horrible cartoon dry spell era of 2003-2010 i would consume mounds of Family Guy and The Simpsons and having little access to the internet didn't help much, i had to watch what was on TV so i tolerated the show for a long time. The moment i said nope was when they started having actual brands from real life and going as far as zooming in on the logos.
I love all these "this is stupid", and "Simpsons is dead" comments, cause most of them aren't complete sentences. If you want to say why it is dumb, and or dead ok but you have to explain, otherwise you aren't expressing an opinion you are just giving a 5 year old's reason for not wanting to do something. -_-
I can't pinpoint where exactly I started to dislike them, but I remember a lot of people being "upset" on S16-19, where the VA's for the dub where changed, and everyone but Bart sounded like shit (especially Homer and Lisa). I was around 12 when that happened so it wasn't a complete deal breaker back then, but I now I just can't stand those episodes, and pretty all other stuff people have said (because Apple being cancer irl just wasn't enough).
>>64521408 you know, I watched it for the first time on a rerun, and just before it there was an episode about Lisa protesting against the use of genetically modified foods, I died a little inside. the only not-retarded thing I can remember of that episode is that Edna was removed from the show
>>64512761 Speaking of Tress, my disgust for the Simpsons is almost parallel with her level of involvement in the show. Lindsay Naegle is one of the worst, most grating characters I've ever seen on primetime TV and there was a stretch where she appeared like every other week to get some sort of shitty plot rolling. That one with the cell phone towers was brutal.
Maude's death was when I knew the golden age was over for good. I stopped catching new episodes around S13, stopped watching entirely around S15. Have seen exactly one episode in the last four seasons.
>>64511641 The episode after they get that dog for Christmas. Seriously, adding a show stealing pet to the family dynamic degrades the interpersonal relationships between the main characters. But, no ratings are down. Must add fresh life to the our primary cash cow says Grand Overlord FOX.
>>64511641 I don't know when I first sensed something was off, but I gave up when "Frank Grimes" came back, except it was his son. It was perfect as a stand alone episode. It should never have happened.
Season 9 is when I cannot watch any longer. Which is ironic because this is when I began working for snpp.com. But Seasons 1-3 are the only ones I really respond to. I was the same age as Bart when the show debuted and his impact on kids back then was significant.
>>64532656 I dunno. I mean, for a while there I was managing to get them done weekly, but I've gotten crazier with all the FX and editing so now it's a little longer.
Obviously it doesn't take a full week anyway. In terms of actual TIME allotted to working on them... ummm... I don't really know. Hours?! A number of hours. I imagine anywhere from 5 to 12 hours, which isn't very specific. I obviously don't keep track. Maybe I'll try keeping track one time and see...
But I can just generally say that the writing takes barely any time, I basically do it simultaneously while watching the episode. And the audio recording also only takes 15 minutes at most. It's just the audio and video editing and drawing bad art. That's just oodles of time spaced out over the evenings of a week or so.
OH the Simpsons became dead to me (even though I keep watching it :( ) at multiple times. The panda rape was one because it was a panda rape. And then, oddly, two of the others were with Marge.
One was It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge where she tries to kill a woman with a giant broken glass ice cream cone. I think it just stuck out as Marge's character being completely destroyed. Before she was a lame, overly moralistic mother and now she was an insane person trying to murder somebody in an ice cream shop.
And then the other one is the one where she decides to work out and get all musclely because the inciting incident is Snake mugs her and takes her pearls. That scene is so fucking weird and handled in a completely serious and dramatic fashion that just made me think the people making the show no longer had any idea what the tone of the show they were making was supposed to be.
Also, although it wasn't DEAD to me yet, before all that I just remember the Sherry Bobbins episode being disappointing. It was just the first episode I was like "Weird... that wasn't very funny..."
>>64533255 haha I can't draw either. That's the most nightmarish part by far. Every time I have to draw a new character I avoid it for as long as I can and try to think of ways to get out of it, like I just made Luann out of Marge and Milhouse combined and I was so happy when I thought of doing that.
Editing I like! But it does get a bit fucking old after a while.
>>64533302 Is it? I can't find anything about it. It definitely went over my head if it was. It just made Marge look absolutely batshit to me.
Not really the stopping point but I saw this scene when flipping through cable > Bart and homer are in counselling to be better to each other > counselor makes homer FUCKING TRY TO KILL HIMSELF so Bart can save him, so they can appreciate each other I don't know > Bart sits there and texts while homer is literally struggling for his life in the background I mean, fuck.
>>64533939 >>64533974 The previous Sideshow Bob episode had a gross Face/Off-ish plot where Bob cut his face off and put on someone else's. This is just a callback to that episode, that his face is still on all loose, I guess...
>>64533994 Yes, this was another really horrible moment that stuck out to me. Awful.
>>64533825 I'd known that was his trip before, but forgot until I reopened the thread a few minutes ago. >>64533916 Thank you for sitting through the visual and aural rape of one of the greatest cartoons ever just to provide us with entertainment.
What's worse, watching zombie SpongeBob or zombie Simpsons?
>>64534301 I have seen all of them but I have so much trouble recalling specific episodes because they just blur together.
It seems to be one called "Simpsons Christmas Stories" from the 17th season. It's one of those ones where they just tell three stories and have some stuff vaguely connecting them. Grandpa's story is one of the three.
Reading the synopsis of it on Wikipedia I remember NOTHING.
>>64534676 I saw the movie in theaters actually. I remember it was... fine??
I should watch older Spongebob. The few things I saw had jokes that still stick with me. Like when Spongebob is ugly and Patrick keeps shouting "LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT IT! YOUUU LOOK AT IT!" Also, "Can't see my forehead."
I remember a really dark joke that made fun of the day-to-day grind. Some fish guy 's boring life shown in a quick montage. I hadn't seen much of the show and it was a bit mindblowing. I was like OH I didn't realize the humor went to THESE kinds of places.
fuck if I even remember, I haven't seen the show since before people figured out eggs are edible. I know one of the last episodes I watched had bart joining a boyband and recording subliminal brainwashing songs for the government, but i was only watching very intermittently by that point so I couldn't give you a hard cut-off date or anything.
>>64511641 The season 10 or so episode where Lisa uses a bus to go to a museum alone and Homer has to go find her or something like that. There were still some good episodes later on, but that was the first episode where I knew things were just wrong.
The episode when they kill Mona. You'd expect something overly emotional, sad and yet happy when Homer tries to climb a mountain so he could free her ashes to the wind and what do I receive? A fucking James Bond parody where it's implied she was only using Homer to stop one of Mr. Burns' hidden factories. Everything and everyone felt so out of character it made me feel there would never be a good Simpson episode anymore. And how right I was.
>The 4/20 medical weed episode >Homer driving high >Homer basically abusing it and becoming a stoner hippy >Marge and Lisa don't even scold him for it >It was just stupid propaganda done very poorly >The message literally was "It'd be legal if you were sober" >2002
The show was declining very hardcore around this time
>>64536838 It's kinda boring, has few good jokes and no real memorable lines. The russians joke I remember. The one other thing I remember is Homer getting his head trapped in the bridge, which was too much for me. It was cartoon humor but dunno, even then I expected a little more from The Simpsons.
>>64529930 Season 10 is an interesting season. Some episodes, like Lisa Gets an "A", feel very much at home with the classic era, but others, like Kidney Trouble and When You Dish Upon a Star, were a harbinger of the show's destruction.
>>64524228 >That one with the cell phone towers was brutal. I like that one.
>You don't know Fonzie? He freed the squares! >Get out of Archie Bunker's chair! NOW! >the pen clicking race There are plenty more good jokes in that episode. It's not the best the Simpsons ever was, but it was still good.
I think really, after the movie was when it became Zombie Simpsons. You can see as late as Seasons 17-18, there were still some ok episodes in there and they still put it at least a smidgen of effort, but I think after the movie, everyone just completely phoned it in.
>>64533152 Marge was always the least interesting of the family and you notice in the classic seasons she gets the fewest episodes centered around here. Even Julie Kavner has said Patty and Selma are her favorite characters.
>>64511641 I've always seen Seasons 10-16 as more hit and miss rather than mostly bad. It wasnt until season 17 (specifically, when it went into the HABF run) that I felt the show became mostly bad from that point onwards.
For me, it was when Lisa went vegetarian. Really, if you decide to change your eating habits for your own personal reasons, that's fine. If you don't like it when people make fun of your lifestyle choices, that's perfectly understandable.
What's NOT okay is forcing your lifestyle choices on others, or going so far as to ruin your father's barbecue by throwing the goddamn pig into the freeway, then try and cast blame on him for your bullshit.
>>64541378 But that was the entire point of the episode. That you can do things for your own reasons but don't be a cunt about it to other people. The fact that Lisa fucked up Homers BBQ was a bad thing and a fault of the character that she had to work through.
For me it was when the german voice actor of Marge died and she was replaced by some mediocre comedy parvenu who tried way too hard to immitate the english voice, even though the german voice of Marge was completely different until that point, and extremely well done and iconic at that.
It was somewhere around the 19th or 20th season I think, and that was when I realized how downhill the quality went. I know most people think Simpsons was only good until season 14 or 15, I think, but I grew up with most of the episodes after that and consider them good. Though I haven't seen most of them in a long time.
I'm 20 and soon there will be more bad Simpsons episodes than good that premiered in my lifetime.
>>64541559 But she didn't. She was the one that drove the damn lawnmower through the barbecue, jacked the pig, and got it tossed into traffic. Whether she learned her lesson or not is irrelevant, because she verbally slaps her father in the face by backpedaling and saying what had happened was his fault as well.
>>64511641 When Lisa said that she was a Wiccan, in addition to being a Buddhist.
I could put up with her being a Buddhist for superficial reasons (vegetarianism isn't one of the Buddha's actual fucking teachings, it's not a precept or anything close to that) but throwing neo-paganism on top of that was too much.
Also, she was tipping her fedora pretty hard in that episode with the angel fossil. Isn't Lisa supposed to be "spiritual?" Then why was she being such a condescending bitch towards her own mother for believing in angels?
So like, is Lisa a real Buddhist? Is she a neo-pagan? Is she a trendy new-ager who takes bits and pieces of whatever religion is coolest at the time? Or is she an atheist who treats people with disdain for their belief in spirits? She can't be all of that at the same time.
>>64542012 What irks me the most is the art style of new characters completely clashing with the simplistic art style of the Simpsons. Lisa, Bart, Marge, they all have one solid colour as their clothing without any details, but in episodes like the one where Homer is a helicopter parent and Lisa has new "popular" friends they all look so absolutely terrible, since they are drawn as "hip" and "up to date" and "cool", and are just overloaded with shitty details. This "modern" crap, and yes, smartphones are a part of that, just doesn't fit the simplistic timelessness of the old Simpsons.
But remember when Burns was a veteran of the Krim war? (Which took place in the 19th century.) Or maybe that was just a comic, since it makes no sense anyway.
Also, in the earlier seasons Burns was only like 88 or something, wasn't he? Now he's 106. I can't wait for an episode about the Nahasapemapetilan-octuplets in their late teens when Bart is still stuck in 4th grade.
>>64542064 >>64542012 Yeah, the problem is that the Simpsons tried to be always up to date, in a time like the 2000s where a lot of shit was changing very quickly. Remember that episode where Homer gets a cellphone, and it's something special because not everyone had a cellphone at the time that episode aired? It was completely ridiculous and unbelievable only about 3 or 4 years later. Simpsons episodes started to age a lot faster than the older ones, which still remain, well, timeless.
The voice actors and producers of Simpsons sicken me since they know that Simpsons needs to stop and say great things about new seasons. They won't stop because it's easy millions. Any one of them could just stop and retire and live the rest of their lives with the money they have or get another voice job on a show that isn't shit.
>>64542012 Pisses me off. Looks super wrong. Also, I know this was never THAT locked down and fell away even during the show's better years,but at one point the Simpsons were supposed to be sort of lower-middle class, occasionally dealing with money issues and now they just have shit all the time. They have loads of tablets and a flatscreen and just whatever the shit the writers want them to have at any given point and it bugs me.
>>64542346 This also brings me to another issue, wasn't The Simpsons originally just something like "hey life sucks but at least we can laugh at it"? I don't remember seeing a lot of that in the newer episodes.
>>64542432 Yeah, I'd say it was about rising above poverty and mundanity and dysfunctionality to laugh at and appreciate the glimmers of goodness in life. Now it's about... gay horses...? And stuff...?
>>64542572 Hey, when you're right, you're right, pal.
>>64542649 There was that one episode where the subplot was that Homer had some Baby Safety company that worked extremely well, but when babies didn't get hurt anymore many other people lost their jobs, so Homer ran down Evergreen Terrace, screaming that babies should hurt themselves again, ending the subplot. Even when I watched that as a kid, I found it weird and I thought the channel just didn't broadcast the full episode and some scenes were cut out, so I got angry at the channel for showing to many commercials or something.
>>64542641 To be fair, it says he's 104 in Who Shot Mr. Burns. And if we're debating the continuity of the "good seasons," I'd say WSMB wins out because it seems more widely regarded as a better episode.
Also a 104-year-old guy having the entire town in a stranglehold just sounds funnier than him being in his early 80s.
the change was too gradual to pinpoint an specific moment, but I think it was in season 15, it still had a lot of good episodes but some of them were terrible, then season 16 had a lot of terrible episodes and a few good ones, it all went downhill from there
If i remember it correctly, the one where Bart shows talent for drumming and gets into a jazz band and Lisa gets jealous so she starts hoarding animals and then one of the animals attacks Bart stopping his promising career in jazz because Bart, instead of using the money for his surgery he gives it to Lisa because ??????
>>64533152 >Also, although it wasn't DEAD to me yet, before all that I just remember the Sherry Bobbins episode being disappointing. It was just the first episode I was like "Weird... that wasn't very funny..."
Was it the conclusion? Sherry Bobbins being killed in the airplane engine, just as an unknowing Homer smiles that he's sure she'll come back, was one of the first examples of no-holds-barred, Family Guy-style jerkass humor—pre-Family Guy, but the point still holds. We were asked to laugh at the painful (in this case, deadly) mistreatment of a sympathetic character simply because it was in some way funny/ironic.
Too much of this, and you've got a totally mean mood—like, well, less successful MacFarlane, or more recent Simpsons. Someone has to be sympathetic enough to actually like.
>>64543104 >>64543121 Did they actually say that at the time it aired, or is that the excuse they're using now to cover their asses after the fact?
Like, Principal and the Pauper still sucks, but it was made clear from the beginning that it was mocking similar sitcom plots. But I've literally never heard anyone say "you just don't GET it!" about Saddlesore Galactica until just now.
>>64511641 When the 90s were over. For me The Simpsons are the 90s and the 90s the Simpsons. I, somehow, was aware once that decade was over they will not survive or just become a mockery of their former glory, like a Byzantine emperor in the 13th century trying to be Marcus Aurelius.
>>64543654 Ah yeah, I'll always remember this episode because I was 14 when it aired and afterwards, I masturbated to the idea of Luke raping the shit out of Lisa. Goddamn, that was one of the best faps I ever had.
>>64543720 Thought it went too far with changing the "backstories" of everybody and everything so that every other episode was some big dramatic plot twist that ultimately meant nothing because things still went back to status quo by the end.
It was also less funny than the Mirkin seasons and less adept at handling emotion than the first 3 or so. Overall I just felt like I was watching something subpar in pretty much every way.
Not at all comparing it to how the show currently is, but the end of season 6's production run is about my cutoff point for when it stopped being consistently good.
My relationship with the Simpsons is kind of like a dad's relationship with his disappointing son. You watch your promising, straight-A, varsity athlete son grow up, get hooked on drugs, fall in with bad company, work the same dead-end job etc. Every time you talk you think "this is it, he's finally going to turn his life around" and even though he never does and even though in your heart you know he never will you still love him and cling to a shred of quiet, desperate hope.
>>64543835 >>64543855 No, the Mirkin seasons are hilarious. Not saying 7 didn't have its moments (steamed hams), but 5 and 6 had shit like that practically all the time.
Also I love Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming and the Apu episode was good (Team Homer was done by Mirkin). I just don't think every episode in 7 was up to that standard, which is why I don't like it as much.
I don't even touch Dead Homer Society. Haven't seen a new episode in years; don't care to read some guy's walls of text bitching about them.
Who Shot Mr. Burns? (Part 2): B Radioactive Man: B Home Sweet Homediddly-Dum-Doodily: C Bart Sells His Soul: A Lisa the Vegetarian: A King-Size Homer: B Mother Simpson: A Sideshow Bob's Last Gleaming: A The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular: B Marge Be Not Proud: A Team Homer: B Two Bad Neighbors: C Scenes from the Class Struggle in Springfield: B Bart the Fink: C Lisa the Iconoclast: B Homer the Smithers: B The Day the Violence Died: A A Fish Called Selma: C 22 Short Films About Springfield: A Raging Abe Simpson and His Grumbling Grandson in The Curse of the Flying Hellfish: B Much Apu About Nothing: A Homerpalooza: A Summer of 4 Ft. 2: C
>>64543146 Actually that was the only moment that made me laugh hard at the time because it was so unexpected and over the top and cruel. But in retrospect, yes, it's pretty un-Simpsons and much more Family Guy.
>>64543166 What does this mean?! I am not in the know!
>>64543228 This is exactly right. The only "canon" worth getting angry over is one of tone and characterization. They can more or less do whatever they want with logic and time so long as the heart and charm of the setting and characters remain.
That's why the episode with the whole town wanting Bart to commit suicide is understandably one of the most despised.
>>64544136 >What does this mean?! I am not in the know! 3G was a run of "extra" episodes produced during the Season 7 period by Al Jean & Mike Reiss with Critic writers instead of the regular Simpsons staff.
>>64525895 Regarding this, I remember absolutely loathing Homer in the movie but I'm surprised at how early the seeds of that attitude began to show up. I watched the Tomacco episode recently. Homer is already basically an insane jerk who does whatever he wants and the family just goes along with it for no reason.
I'd given up a long time ago but when I watched the Lady Gaga episode for the sake of watching it I was appalled at how fucking godawful it was and realised there's no saving this show. That was undoubtedly the end for me
>>64543617 So is kind of like how once Pearl Jam and Nirvana rose up, it was lights out for Motley Crue since they were so inseparable from the 80s that there's no way they could survive the transition into the new decade.
>>64543801 perhaps you just didn't catch most of the subtle humor they throw in
it's way better than the shit on tv today and never resorted to bad gore and poop jokes, if they did they were done tastefully. The show itself was made to make fun of the typical white conservative american family and did it better than most of the stupid shit it was competing with and the only character to really change that much was luanne unlike, say, the simpsons which has just become political propaganda bullshit to push the liberal agenda like the rest of the fox lineup
That one funny episode where Bart thought his psychologist fancied him.....but in the end it turns out the psychologist was only attached to Bart because he reminded her of her dead son. How funny XD XD XD
>>64511641 The moment they switched their rabbit-ears TV with an HDTV with the same look as the old one. I'm not one to drop shows on the drop of a hat like this but this pretty much told me that the old Simpsons is gone and that the show is gonna continue to try its hardest to stay relevant and with the times. Doesn't help that hardly any of the old writing staff isn't working on it anymore but that still doesn't guarantee it would have stayed as good. I do love that it was so good for such a long time, but all things must come to and end.
>>64541559 It's a dumb message for a vegan. It's the kind of moral principle that you do want to apply to everyone. You believe that what other people are doing is wrong, universally, so you can't just tolerate it.
Anyway, that episode is still good even with the lame celebrity cameos. In the end it's about Homer and Lisa's relationship. And the jokes are funny.
The Simpsons desperately trying to present itself as relevant is pathetic, but I see no problem in having the show always be set in the current year if it's still written well. Of course it's not, and it'd be impossible for any show to maintain that kind of quality, but it's a satire on current American culture; it should try to comment on it.
No one seems to have a problem with Bart and Lisa being children of the 80's in the first season, and then growing up in the 90's by the time of Lisa's Sax (even with a godawful parody song about it).
Not adhering to "continuity" really isn't the problem here.
>>64554423 Sam Simon was asked what he would do to fix the Simpsons and he said "I would make it focused on the family again. Just a regular, middle America family having regular middle America problems, but updated for the present day because much has changed since 1990."
>>64554574 For these characters, I feel like all the timeless poverty-struggle and family-struggle issues have been covered. Updating the time period merely provides shallow ideas relating to trends and celebrities.
>>64554510 I agree with this, though seeing them with a flat screen TV and stuff still stands out as weird and shitty. But it's probably the overall effect of the computery art and all the new stuff making it all look sterile and boring.
Also you hit on the massive problem that it's no longer a satire at all. It's completely lost sight of that. That's why there's a goddamned life-size Springfield you can walk around in. The Simpsons of the past would never have understood the idea of a theme park version of itself. Why would anyone actually want to go to Moe's? It's tragic in there.
>>64556704 The original designs are still 90's inspired. You can't give them new technology without updating everything. And you can't give them NICE technology without upgrading what class they're supposed to be.
>>64511641 There's no specific point for me. Just years ago, when I realized that the writing staff would rather focus on shoehorning in a plot for the guest star(s) of the week into every episode rather than write a plot that focuses on any of its rich, extensive cast.
Oh wait, when they tried that, Ned and Edna got married. Fuck me...
>>64543111 I liked that episode though, it did lampoon celebrity culture a bit and also had some really memorable jokes. >"It's about a killer robot driving instructor that travels back in time for some reason!"
All pop culture is a product of its time. To me, Simpsons exists in two eras. The "radical" era of the late 80's/early 90's where Bart is the main character and Bart plushies are selling like gangbusters, and the "zany" era of the later 90's where Homer is the main character and the show has pretty much become a vehicle for (admittedly hilarious) jokes without much in the way of characterization or consequence.
The Simpsons that exists now tries desperately to be that same "zany" show, but it's not. The writers seem to think that the Simpsons formula is eternal, but it's not. Consider the crank calling Moe gag. Cell phones and caller ID fucking ruin it. Or the recurring joke of nuclear power being dangerously unstable. It was funny at the time, but it's a relic of the late 80's.
Hell, just look at the premise of the show. A dysfunctional family being played for laughs was still considered subversive when The Simpsons was new. Such concepts would be considered quaint nowadays, as evidenced by utterly vanilla sitcoms like The Middle.
>>64570679 This is absolutely true. It's ridiculous when people insist that the characters were portrayed consistently throughout the "golden age" (whenever the hell that may be).
I think the key difference, though, is that season 4 was still very entertaining, and while the quality of writing/characterization may have slipped slightly, it was arguably funnier than anything before. It still had something to offer so it doesn't get much flak now, and the characterization changes are pretty negligible compared to how badly they're portrayed now.
>>64554574 Age the characters and do a reboot. A lot of people seem to like the future episodes and they have become more frequent recently, telling me that the writers would also like to explore the characters when they're older.
You'd really only lose Bart as the 10 year-old hellraiser. He hasn't been useful in that role for a long time since it only worked in the early 90s. There would still be Maggie as a little school girl and you could make proper use of the Chinese girl and Apu's kids for a change.
Even if it would bomb, it would at least be worth a try. Anything is better than this stagnant piece of shit. I guess FOX still doesn't like that idea though.
Grew up with Simpsons but never really activily watched > am 19 now > work alot > borrow shows ,comics from my uncle > watch all he has >"here Anon I have simpsons" > 11 seasons > flip through episode guides > included is the neds wife dying one > last episode of 11 is vh1 behind the scenes parody so basically my plan is to watch just up to eleven so I have some drastic happen before I finish (neds wife dying) and then I end on a weird meta high note (vh1 parody) and treat that as the series final. Good plan?
>>64572936 >You'd really only lose Bart as the 10 year-old hellraiser. He hasn't been useful in that role for a long time since it only worked in the early 90s
Excerpt from a 2004 interview with Nancy Cartwright:
Q: So it does seem as the show evolved, its focus shifted from Bart to Homer. What are your thoughts on that? A: Well you know, it goes without saying that Homer, being an adult, offers more storylines than is possible with a 10 year old.
I never watched the Simpsons growing up. I've seen a grand total of maybe 4 whole episodes and a Treehouse of Horror special in my entire life, and a few friends dragged me to the movie.
The art style and characters never really appealed to me. There were funny bits in what I watched, sure, but I just never got invested enough to watch whole seasons. For me it was the show I watched when absolutely nothing else was on.
This episode was knee-deep in the "Lisa is the mouthpiece for the writer's views and is never ever wrong" era of the Simpsons, and I think what made this episode particularly infuriating was that they were trying to make it a "No, see, Lisa can have flaws too!" episode, and they ended up making her flaw basically "She's just TOO GOOD FOR HER OWN GOOD A HURR DURR"
What they SHOULD have done is have the family age with time. It would be interesting to see what Grandpa Homer is like, or see who Bart marries or what their kids are like. Yeah it would be a risk, and would never have really been done before, but it would keep a long-running show fresh.
>>64577338 I agree, but they did give Lisa her comeuppance a couple of times like how she got shut-down when she bitched about joining the football team or how that cowhand called her out for being a superficial bitch.
You know what amazes me about Lisa? She's against animal cruelty and consuming animal products yet she's perfectly content in watching a cartoon that glorifies violence against animals.
My friends say that the new episodes are no diffirent than the old ones, actually they're better because refreshed animation. I never watched Simpsons, how true is it? I'm taking from this thread that they're in the wrong?
>>64573743 That's pretty much the point. They already told every story possible with those characters and even went beyond that, turning into weird and creepy shit like Bart getting teenage girlfriends one after another and highly unbelievable schlock like Lisa being an activist. Age the characters like 7-8 years and you could tell all those stories properly, while still having a little girl (Maggie) in your cast.
>>64581089 >looking through his career >only thing I ever saw him on was that one episode of voyager >that terrible terrible episode of voyager
Either this guy is a terrible comedian or he's got a terrible agent.
>On July 16, 2008, Dick was arrested in Murrieta, California, on suspicion of drug possession and sexual battery. He exposed the breasts of a 17-year-old female after he allegedly grabbed and pulled down her tank top and brassiere. During a search of his person, police reported finding a small quantity of cannabis and one alprazolam tablet (for which Dick did not have a prescription) in his front pants pocket. He was released from jail after posting $5,000 bail. Dick eventually pleaded guilty to misdemeanor battery and marijuana possession, he was sentenced to three years probation, pay about $700 in fines, and was ordered to wear an alcohol-monitoring bracelet for one year.
so gropes and exposes himself to a high schooler, court focuses on the drinking.
Now onto the controversies...
>On January 11, 2011, Dick was thrown out of the AVN Awards
... Thrown out of an award ceremony for pornography. ... For a alchy pissant he's still somehow able to get a disturbing amount of work.
>>64515995 Republicans are, in theory, high economic freedom (low taxes, fewer benefits etc), low social freedom (anti-drug, anti-immigrant, pro-life), with some big exceptions, like military spending, or guns.
>>64550762 I don't get it. Why didn't they only trace over the old opening? They would have gotten the same look without having to spend any effort/money on actual animation. Is it because the whole show is shittily animated now and they didn't want the opening to look too good in comparison?
>>64581899 >Age the characters like 7-8 years and you could tell all those stories properly, while still having a little girl (Maggie) in your cast. Bart and Lisa can then be teenagers and Maggie can be in grade school and be female Bart.
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