Does anybody else find the idea of Joker and Harley having a sexual relationship, really fucking creepy?
Lately I've been reading more about how Joker and Harley have either had sex in the past, potentially raped her, or Joker just actually comments on her looks. I don't know why, but the idea that Joker even cares about sexuality kinda weirds me out.
Then again, maybe that's the point. But I've always preferred the the idea that he only cares about his plans, the big joke or just whatever happens to fancy him at the time, while Harley just does whatever she thinks will please him.
Hence why I've actually been enjoying her and Deadshot shacking up because it feels like she's moving on a little as a character.
at least until she inevitably goes back to Joker
I always saw it like the real life version of it.
Women getting interested and starting to date imprisoned serial killers.
Joker seems like the kind of character wholly uninterested in sex though.
which is exactly why it bugs me so much.
I mean I get that DC's running out of ideas and they have to edgelord their way through pop culture to stay relevant, but the way he's written lately makes me uncomfortable.
I like how Harley's been solo on the other hand. I like the idea that she still has some skills as a psychiatrist and whips out some knowledge every now and again.
I always thought the Joker deliberately witheld sex from Harley to keep her desperate and obediant. He certainly has no physical interest in her, at least in B:TAS, but he knows how to play her emotions like a fiddle. She'll do anything for the merest hint of affection from him, and he can exploit that to the fullest.
Well Mr J seemed uninterested in her that way for the most part, especially the whole 'Rev up your Harley' and pie scenes.
Harley hated the idea of pregnancy in Return of the Joker.
suddenly, when it gets put like that, I imagine that would legitimately drive him insane(er) enough to just start banging her to make her shut up, and then start getting a little addicted to it. Or at least continually use it as a convenient,
>make harley shut up
DCAU created Harley so... yeah, of course.
And yes, it was a sexual relationship, the Joker is still a man after all and Harley doesn't act sexy all the time for nothing. Why would she tease him all the time if it never works ?
Harley also had relations with Poison Ivy.
>Does anybody else find the idea of Joker and Harley having a sexual relationship, really fucking creepy?
Joker and Harley have always had a creepy abusive relationship, dude. From the very beginning of the character, she was basically the Joker's battered wife. Did you not get that? Harley's not really supposed to be a character in her own right. She's a side character to the Joker, and never works outside of that role.
>clingy and super devoted
>not just manning up and telling her she's your toy
>slap her around when she misbehaves
>discipline her she she doesn't do what you say
if she's crazy devoted all you need to do is press her devotion to the point where everything you say is word of god to her.
Hell use hypnosis to train her if you have to
I can speak from experience on that one, I'm working on training my GF to trance out like an air headed bimbo when I want to make her docile and obedient. If she's willing to let you do it to her you can easily turn a girl into an empty headed ditz on command and Harley is crazy loyal enough to agree to it.
I wish I had a harley myself
>the Joker is still a man after
Implying that just because he's male, he absolutely must have a sex drive
>Harley doesn't act sexy all the time for nothing.
she desperately wants his attention, so she's willing to go to that try and get attention
>Why would she tease him all the time if it never works ?
Because she suffers the same flawed logic as you that having a penis automatically means you want to fuck everything
>Yes, because so many people in the world are not interested in sex and The Joker happens to be one of them for no fucking reason.
are you trying to make a point? Because makes complete sense. Why does he have to be? Why DOESN'T he have to be? Hell, if you really want an answer, it's because his obsessions lie elsewhere and he gets his rocks off in way more elaborate ways than just dumping clown jizz in Harley for 5 minutes.
Consider the real-life example of Andrei Chikatilo. He was impotent and incapable of orgasm unless he was cutting people apart. Murder was the only thing that gave him sexual pleasure. Joker could be basically the same way, considering he's just a wanna-be Zsasz these days.
does it actually upset you when you find out other anons have relationships?
drop the nice guy fedora routine and be a man, make a girl feel weak compared to you.
You gotta make them feel inferior without calling attention to it. Play up the romance while showing off dominance.
At the end of the day girls just want to be a play thing for someone they love.
that feeling when you want to headcannon your OC fucking Harley, but you can't make it work because
A: Joker's dick as been in there, or
B: you end up in some love love triangle where you inevitably end up betrayed and dead
I can see it being uncomfortable but that's the point.
Joker and Harley have always been implied to have had sex at least once or twice since DCAU. Though he probably isn't nearly as interested in it as she is, so he likely uses it as a manipulation tactic.
To be fair, that actually does make sense. That logic has been skirting around my mind lately as being pretty reasonable.
I mean, if they want Joker and Harley to be this way, I 'm not complaining THAT hard. It's only my opinion. But I'm willing to go along with the idea so long as it makes some modicum of sense
This topic gives me a reason to post one of my favorite pages. Everybody has their vulnerable moments.
In TAS, I found it about as creepy as any clown sex. At least Joker was still a human in that one. If it's the edgier "holy shit, gais, he's such a monster you don't even know" versions, yes, it's way creepier. I can imagine TAS Joker eventually occasionally being interested in sex, but not irredeemable-killing-machine-Joker.
i doubt you're alone given how often fan conversation talks about joker being asexual and only really fixating on batman, stringing along harley because it's funny.
but if you mean creepy as in abusive, that's kind of poor perspective isn't it? they're murderers.
all living creatures have a sex drive. sometimes all you do is release spores, but if you have no sex drive whatsoever and you're an adult of your species, you are broken and need fixing
I'd say that at the very least the DCAU/Arkham-verse Joker would enjoy sex every now and again. He was completely
batshit insane, sure, but he was still a gangster through and through. Just because he likes to rustle Batman's jimmies doesn't mean he can't enjoy things people in similar positions of power would. Does no one remember Joker's Millions? He probably makes room for pleasure outside his next big joke or caper, crazy only goes so far after all.
I don't think they're similar at all. DCAU Joker acts like a human. Most of his crimes make sense. He'll occasionally do one just to fuck with Batman, but he'd usually rob banks or things like that. He's a halfway point between the early Joker and the modern one. Arkham is modern Joker through and through. He's basically a terrorist, not a gangster.
I recently read the entirety of the Harley Quinn stand alone series from 2001 or there about, and it was better than I expected it to be.
From what I could gather is the Joker and Harley definitely had a sexual relationship, but it was definitely more one-sided and seemed to be something Harley was more interested. Later on when she becomes increasingly involved with Detective Bishop, the Joker does display jealousy. In his own twisted way he does care about her, but in that run, he actually seemed to care about her very little until that point.
>heath ledger joker crying on a prostitute with the door open