Husbando Creator Thread 3

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>>3059140
reposting mine and bumping, do you like his scarf?

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same husbando, new iteration

>>3059175
This is literally me, except for the purple planet part

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TFW a cute boy in the thread doesn't respond to your praise

>>3059228
i need proof that you're a qt

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>>3059197
>>3059175
Both delicious~

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oh no, this is addicting

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It is remarkably difficult to make Data in this creator. I tried.

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Just a slight alteration to my black-haired, blue-eyed beauty

>>3059374
I suppose I should mention other's too...

>>3059140
Cute, but why hide that face?
>>3059175
Ah, green eyes are gorgeous
>>3059197
Meh
>>3059278
girl/10
>>3059299
Evil....eeeeevil...

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>>3059380
Why you gotta make it sound bad?

besides, this isn't the best creator in the world. kisekae is far superior.

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Decided to put a husbando I made with my animu self, it was pretty hard trying to make us not look like grills.

>>3059390
I'll play with his hair

>>3059374
qt

>>3059360
Isn't there a facial hair option?

>>3059299
I love black haired edgelords

>>3059197
Cute, very pettable

>>3059175
I like his scarf, pretty qt

>>3059140
Adorable boyish type

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"niichan"

>>3059434
You're pretty yum yourself ~

>>3059434
I meant to make his hair brown, not red, oops, red heads are super cute though.

>>3059453
qt trap

>>3059462
He looks like he smells good.

>>3059476
Aww thanks anon

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Cry-baby elf captive pls dun punish~

>>3059493
>please don't punish
you're asking for too much anon

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so i might have a weakness for shy/spineless protags

>>3059299
hot topic lol
>>3059278
jean-jacket get out
>>3059197
end his suffering

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all mah guys shop at the same place

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look at this awkward nerd


>>3059140
qt! He looks like someone that gets in trouble often.

>>3059175
Adorable scarf!

>>3059197
Looks uncomfortable, but still qt

>>3059278
Very girly. Very cute, though

>>3059299
3edgy5me

>>3059360
qt

>>3059374
Very cute!

>>3059434
Both are qt

>>3059453
Cute! Am I the only one feeling the yandere vibe?

>>3059462
qt with cool hair

>>3059493
qt

>>3059511
qt/10

>>3059514
qt

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Bow down before the long hair husbando superiority!
>>3059299
you've got the right idea edgelord!
>>3059493
ok, not long hair but qt elf makes up for it

too hard to make these doods look like doods, life is hard

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>>3059517
I made myself as well because why not
>>3059519
Long live the long hair doods!

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>>3059140
I dont know how to colours

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pretty simple, but I love him

>>3059140
looks confident and rebellious, cute

>>3059175
i do like his scarf

>>3059197
I love the dark skin/ pink combo

>>3059278
She looks nice, clothes fit well

>>3059299
edgy.

>>3059374
blue eyes are a win for me

>>3059434
both look like guys to me

>>3059462
Love the hair, two thumbs up from me

>>3059493
>pls dun punish~
dont act like you'd mind

>>3059511
shy guys are cute

>>3059514
I have such a weakness for dark skinned guys

>>3059516
less edgy

>>3059517
adorable

>>3059511
Adorable

>>3059514
Okay, this dude is pretty hot

>>3059516
Edgy dudes are pretty cute, like Dark Pit, Yuu, and Judau

>>3059517
Qt, would play vidya with, also thanks

>>3059519
Adorable trap

>>3059521
Both are cute, which one are you?

>>3059522
Just reminded me that Halloween is soon, he seems like a good cosplay for cute dudes

>>3059523
you're right, simple yet lovely.

>>3059526
sassy

>>3059531
does not seem amused

>>3059374
oooh freckles and a beauty mark, my weakness~
>>3059434
Both are yum, but leaning on the brown cutie
>>3059453
Girly but cutie <3
>>3059462
very cute too
>>3059493
Bulliable [spoiler] my favorite kind of boy <3[/spoiler]
>>3059511
A lovely color of hair and skin, so pleasing to look at~
>>3059514
yeees we need more brown boys.
>>3059516
slightly edgy but its all good
>>3059519
ahh more long hair boys please!
>>3059521
Reminds me of chocolate, wouldn't mind taking a bite of.
>>3059526
hooo yesss

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Feelin nostalgic for old anime tonight.

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>>3059140
Danger, dragon-blooded husband gets hungry! That glass may just be to wash you down.

me and my husbando, he's the green eyed one.

>>3059462
kawaii as fuck
>>3059493
will not bully
>>3059511
a cute!
>>3059514
hott
>>3059516
edgy but hot
>>3059517
would fuck
>>3059519
would fuck even more
>>3059521
both cute, i prefer the brown haired one
>>3059522
very spoopy
>>3059523
he looks like someone who would teach you how to love
>>3059526
a fun dude
>>3059531
relatable, also pretty hot
>>3059563
top-tier
>>3059564
he doesn't want you to buy him girl's clothes, leave him alone.

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>>3059579
FUCK, dropped image

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Hats come out really awkward in the maker. I didn't want the hat to be this poofy, but the other cap option only covers the front of the head. Weird...

>>3059581
Edible, Both of you~

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What can I say I like 'em crazy.

I blame Ciel's affect on my younger years.

>>3059531
Looks like somebody is about to get a scolding

>>3059563
10/10 would feed him nuts

>>3059564
awkwardness is cute

>>3059573
>leaning on the brown cutie
t-thanks

>>3059577
I watched every episode this and don't remember alot of the characters for some reason

>>3059578
Scary, but adorbs

>>3059581
You are both super spoonable

>>3059583
This is one of my favorites. So cheeky

>>3059585
Black hair is so good
>>3059587
The crazy ones are usually pretty good

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"There's no one around for miles. We...We could swim without these on if you want..."

>>3059588
I mean, if the both of you want to get played with at once, I'm not biased <3
>>3059597
takeitalloff

>>3059598
I was saying I'm the brown one, but that'll be nice too~

>>3059600
my my. Then I'll have some nice brown steak for dinner it seems. A nice thick, juicy, well coated brown on the outside with that tender pink meat on the inside

>>3059610
kinda really would bang his bum

>>3059616
Heeeeyyy there~

>>3059622
Also quite edible

>>3059611
L-lewd...

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I don't have a specific type of guy in mind so I made a random one of the left.

>>3059667
Can't help myself~
>>3059674
Oh goodness those lips

>>3059670
>>3059669
Oh, so when I post a 3D pic it gets taken down but when this 7/10 does the same it is allowed to stay?

Really though, is it because I am so ugly that it's cringe worthy? Does the mod think they are doing me a favor? I suppose pictures are easy to edit, and perhaps I should be grateful? I just wanna know if I'm a 3/10 or a 5/10, but I suppose 4chan may not be the ideal place to seek that sort of feedback.

>>3059715
I think mods just aren't paying attention. There shouldn't be any 3D on /cm/.

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idk man i just really dont know

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ALSO i made myself cause im kawaii and totally husbando material

>>3059726
>red hair and green eyes
So are you a nice little christmas present waiting to get opened up?

>>3059669
Adorable, but 3d shouldn't be allowed here.

>>3059715
I'm sure you're fine anon.

>>3059668
I would frot with you two :3

>>3059729
ye just tear me open bby

>>3059743
Careful, I might want to.

>>3059748
i dont see that as a problem

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I decided to do me. Nuff' said.

>>3059758
heya Hisao.
>>3059752
So, with the hands or with some teeth? One is more savage than the other. But I'm sure a soft looking boy like you prefers to get romanced a little first.

>>3059758
[spoiler]damn boy, you single?[/spoiler]

>>3059760
buddy pal friendo i am kinky as hell so whatever pleases you

>>3059762
My my. . . I suppose if I had my way, I'd rather go a nice slow route in I take my time working on you. What fun is it to just take and skip to the end?

>>3059764
a good point. youre a wise person, but your taste in people you wanna tear open is awful

>>3059766
You don't think he's cute?

>>3059761
Yep. I a, a bit cynical, though, not many people like me because of that.

>>3059767
who is?

>>3059769
this boy>>3059726

>>3059770
ah, yeah, thats me. and im not very cute at all desu. maybe ironically kawaii in that pic

>>3059771
More handsome than cute. Cute is bubbly and fruity looking, you have a bit more of a rugged look that's attractive~

>>3059768
I am too anon, maybe we should talk

>>3059772
HAH no most of the time i look like an angry lesbian, its not very handsome or rugged either

>>3059774
Oh I doubt that. At least you aren't called a straight up girl or outright faggot. But I still think you're quite attractive in your own right~

>>3059775
well thank you, i guess

>>3059773
I'm not so sure. I'm just too shy for anything on the internet beyond text based conversations.

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>>3059777
Take up his offer before I take it.

>>3059778
Go ahead, its not like I'll stop you.

>>3059779
I'm not sure if you're the one offering or the one rejecting.

>>3059777
>>3059778
I need a qt bf or atleast a yaoi friend. Please don't be shy! What would you prefer I add you on?

>>3059781
I've got a steam, skype, telegram, or the dreaded facebook. take your pick.

>>3059782
post steam

>>3059784
>>3059784
http://steamcommunity.com/id/revolveroshawott/

>>3059785
I'm contemplating it.

>>3059786
Hey, go for it~

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>>3059786
>>3059786
http://steamcommunity.com/id/qolony/

I guess I'll post mine too. Add me cute boys from New England

In order to get the thread back on track I decided to make a husbando as well

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>>3059781
>>3059782
>>3059796
Player 4 has joined!
Yaoi Friends could be fun, so I'll add my steam if anyone wants to add me as well!
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198005879963/

I wish a mod could delete this pathetic crap

that escalated quickly

>>3059816
I wish a mod could delete you.

>>3059140
How can you guys still be fucking around with this

>>3059828
Hpw can you not?

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>>3059828
I'm easily amused

>>3059835
We're all really easily amused.

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The guy I like...

>>3059837
if he somehow sees it
"a-anon... is this supposed to be me?"

>>3059838
I actually sent it to him, hehe, he knows I like him but distance is a bitch

>>3059837
Does he know that you like him?

>>3059840
See
>>3059839

>>3059841
I didn't see that post sorry. Your more ballsy than me, I could never do that.

>>3059842
It's not so scary when life likes to get in the way despite it all. That sounds kind of depressing but, in a way it gives me confidence sometimes? If that makes sense.

>>3059837
Kinda looks like me

>>3059850
Stylin

>>3059839
aww that sucks :( how far?

>>3059869
Roughly 3000 miles or so. At least it's the same continent?

>>3059932
at least! perhaps someday! the heart wants what the heart wants, if it's meant to be it will be and all that stuff!

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In case anyone wants to make a younger looking husbando/sonfu, here's another one of these sorts of makers. It can get pretty lewd, so try to keep that under control before posting anything.
http://rinrin.saiin.net/~shonenmaker/shonenmaker/index_app.html

>>3060069
coool new character maker

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>>3060069

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Silver sassy sweater elf.

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>>3060069
That was... way more lewd than I was expecting. I made myself a sonfu, I want to make him a bowl of froot loops and watch cartoons with him and care for him in a completely non-lewd way.

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Tired boy
>>3059278
Would hug/10
>>3059526
qt/10
>>3059577
Whats this from?

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husbando of a lifetime

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Husbando edgelord
and a mock up of me, although Im not kawaii
>>3059835
green eyes/10
>>3059850
I feel like this is someone I would hang out with
>>3060089
love!

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>>3060188
pretty huggable and kissable yourself~

>>3060086
I could imagen a VERY nice afternoon with him at a vineyard

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"ah~ anon, what if somebody catches us? you're not supposed to be in here~"

>>3060086
omg cute

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look at this sultry fellow i you know you want his boihole

>>3060284
absolutely fabulous

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I just made ani-me.

Well, couldn't decide between good and bad hair day me.

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I've always had a thing for soft looking boys, I hope I made him cute enough

>>3060397
Why does he look like me?

>>3060501
I don't believe you. You need to be in my bedroom so i can compare you both side by side

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white haired anime boys give me life

>>3060526
hubba hubba

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>>3059197
>>3059511
>>3059610
>>3059724
>>3060080
>>3060425
>>3060526
>Shit-skins and niggers

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>>3060553
>not enjoying the company of a cute black dude
shiggy

>>3060553
>he's a total faggot
What's wrong, did a black guy steal your bitch from you or something~?

>>3060425
Delicious Bunny boys <3
>>3060526
Dark skin and red hair...hnngg
>>3060528
but cutie white boys are also yum.

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>>3060520
A-anon...

>>3060553
Leave my /cm/bandos alone

>>3060576
We must go lewder

>>3060586
Whew~ Helloooo nurse.

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I'm not very fond of Rinmaru's avatar maker, mainly because of rare updates and limitations. Is there a reason why Kisekae isn't used for this type of thread? But this is the closest I could get ;_;

>>3060610
Lovely

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>>3060612
If you want to do Kisekae, I say go for it. I assume most people don't do it because it's not designed to make guys and takes a long time to make characters that look any good.

>>3060616
Do you have a link, I was able to find one character creator but I don't think its right, as I dont think I can make a guy out of it. i.e. i cant get rid of their tiddy

>>3060626
http://pochi.lix.jp/k_kisekae2.html
Keep in mind that it is very much intended to make girl, so making guys requires a bit of creativity. Also, most of the options are locked by default, so go into the grey wrench tab and change the option from 'Easy' to 'Expert'.

Most of the important options for making male characters are in the body shape options, which are the three red tabs. Everything else is a matter of playing with hair, eyes, and clothing until it looks right.
It takes a lot of experimenting, but Kisekae is a lot more powerful than people give it credit for.

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>>3060616
I just thought there was a reason that people don't use Kisekae. I found a pretty helpful tutorial on making male characters, I'd have to find it again.

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>>3060626
Yeah, there aren't default male models so you're gonna have to start from scratch using a female one. Here's one of the tutorials, it covers the correct proportions. And I just found the one on how to make a male character from scratch.

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>>3060612
Cute color combination on hair and eyes!

>>3060610
Very nice catbell!

>>3060609
>>3060607
These two look ready to buy your soul!

>>3060586
Wavy hair is a weakness of mine, too, Anon

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>>3060612
>kisekae
Did somebody call? Also Kisekae requires too much skill to make something good, it's not very user friendly.

>>3060693
Huh...it didn't take me too long to make my male character. Then again it didn't take me too long to learn PMD either. You just have to dedicate time to learn it.
>>3060666
Thank you! Blue and purple are two of my favorite colors so I have it include it when I'm making characters. And I love how yours looks too!

>>3060704
Making a well crafted kisekae vs picking some options in a Rinmaru creator is very long. You need a pretty good artistic eye to make a decent kisekae, but with Rinmaru it's pretty much cut and pasted stuff.

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Ah, I feel young again, learning how to computers.

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>>3060708
I know Rinmaru has been busy adding other creators to the site, but I wish they would try and update the avatar maker more. Like adding two-tone hair colors so you don't have to choose just one color for this portion of hair and another color for a different portions. And maybe some more eye shapes too.

>>3060718
To be perfectly honest I prefer kisekae over Rinmaru because of the customization options and how much you can make with it. I even make comics with it quite often.

>>3060765
I agree, I find it easier to make characters with Kisekae than Rinmaru's creator. Because Rinmaru's is so limited with rare updates and the last update was almost a year ago. I also heard that Missangest is making an avatar maker similar to Rinmaru's but "has no plans on adding male characters".

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Is there an easier way to make characters together? I found a few tutorials but they were saying to use image editors.

>>3060840
Kisekae is all about gitgud. You can do everything in-engine.

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>>3060852
>>3060852
Oh, I mean, stuff like hugging. Is it possible? This is the closest to close together I've been able to achieve so far in-engine, and google tells me nothing.

>>3060854
You can do stuff involving hugging from behind. On the third row of tabs is a selection of Extra-hands, that's how you create the illusion of having them hug.

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>>3060872
Oh, I'm so dumb. I was completely overlooking that because I didn't notice the layering option.
Thank you so much for the help.

>>3060875
Funny enough I was actually in the middle of making a tutorial comic. I'm still going to finish it so this way others can learn too.

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>>3060875
Did it anyways. Here you go for anyone who wants to learn how to do it.

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Tried to make Komaeda, turned out ok.

>>3060880
Haha, this is awesome!

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s-sorry! You had an umbrella so I thought I could drop in...'

>>3060950
Yeah sure...long as you keep yourself nice and close~

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I'm on the left, husbando I made is on the right. For me I wanted a sweater on top but the vest was the best I could do.

>>3059140
qt, nice clothes

>>3059175
very cuddly looking, I do like his scarf

>>3059493
qt elf, love everything about him

>>3059519
love the hair and headphones

>>3059522
sp00ked

>>3059563
>you will never go to a festival with a qt like this
why even live?

>>3059585
would be bullied by / 10

>>3059672
love his hair

>>3060299
very cute, reminds me of kaworu a bit

>>3060612
not normally my type, but very cute

>>3060909
he's cute but the fact that he's holding that knife is terrifying

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Gonna leave my OC's (fraternal) twin brother here for shits and giggles.

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Made myself as best as possible on the right, husbando on the left. I'm kinda annoyed that there are no long front hair pieces, it's hard to really show what mine looks like without that.

>>3059278
very cute

>>3059462
goggles and vests are wonderful things

>>3059526
looks really nice and confident

>>3059805
looks like he's wonderful for cuddling

>>3060188
freckles give me life

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>dark curly hair
>freckles
>glasses
>a little stubble
>fashion sense

cutie mcfucking cute, I really made a husbando here

>>3061035
love this one

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I can't help but to create my video game dream husbando desu!

>>3061035
best one in thread

>>3061030
>that blonde.
unf~
>>3061035
>>3061061
>>3061068
>>3061084
Also delicious boys that need attention.

>>3061084
>>3060576
>>3060586
slut

>>3061068
boring

>>3061061
image quality wtf

>>3061035
neckbeard

>>3060950
c-c-cute

>>3060909
would stab with my short sword

>>3060612
>>3060610
>>3060611
trash

>>3060609
>>3060607
star crossed lovers

>>3061151
Could your taste be any more garbage?

All of them are slutty. I must purify them with my dick!

>>3061151
Meh, I don't really care if you think mine's trash. I hate the Rinmaru creator anways so I pretty much just half-assed it. I wa actually surprised that someone else liked it. Not to mention you pretty much just bashed on all of them except one.

>>3061151
neckbeard?? how

>>3061166
Purify me with your cock anon.

>>3061203
2 lewd 4 me.

>>3059140
>>3060069
Does anyone know of a creator for older/more built dudes? I want to make some buff husbandos

>>3061283
Seconding. I also would like to know.

>>3061283
You could always try Honey Select or Artificial Academy 2.
>>3061282
Ahhh, gonna play hard to get~?

>>3061296
Apparently 3D models can't be posted to /cm/. And both games look like they focus more on /h/ than /cm/. Hopefully someone, somewhere will make a bara-themed character creator.

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mine

>>3061203
If you say so

This thread has so many cuties~

>>3061299
sssssshit
>>3061310
cute cute cute!
>>3061360
oh my...also so very yum

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will i ever be done with rinmaru creator

>>3060569
>Projecting your cuck fantasies

>>3061366
Yeah, I spent some time looking for one and had no luck. And 3D models belong on a different board, which sucks because I've been learning PMD editor and I've been working on a male character. I guess a couple people had 3D characters posted but had to take them down.
>>3061386
Cute but I give him a 9/10 only because the Star Wars jacket.

>>3061383
Not a fantasy if I'm getting off to your bitch tears~

>>3061383
http://www.pornmd.com/resources/infograph/

The Ukrainians constantly complain about the Russians. "Russians" shows up in their top 10 porn searches.

The Chinese constantly complain about the Japanese. "Japanese" shows up in their top 10 porn searches.

The Israelis constantly complain about the Palestinians. "Palestinian" shows up in their top 10 porn searches.

The American South and Near-East constantly complain about gays "Gay" shows up in their top 10 porn searches.

If this pattern shows anything, its that people who are obsessed with the word cuck most likely have some sort of cuck fetish. Forbidden fruit I guess. Also "BBC", "cuck", "muslim, "arab", and more do not show up in Sweden's top 10. Shows how grounded in reality you are huh anon?

>>3061383
>>3061423
Get a room

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unf
>>3059140
>>3059514
>>3060526
>>3060576
hotties
>>3059175
>>3059374
>>3059594
>>3060950
cuties

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>>3059140
Tell me what you think.

>>3059197
He looks like he wants to kill himself.

>>3059278
girl

>>3059299
E D G E M A S T E R

>>3060137
Looks like a skyrim character.

>>3061381
Thats looks pretty cool.

>>3061472
Nigga look like a GREEN BEAN

I get the reference, though.

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>>3060425 Anon this qt kills me
Im in need of more sweet looking boys and bunny boys.

>>3061475
I want to pet him.

Which one of these boys do you think is the hungest?

>>3061480
It's always the extra girly ones who surprise you with their thick cocks.

>>3061483
Brown boys is the correct answer

>>3059140
Bumperino

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This is hella addicting.

>>3061598
I like the file name.

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>>3061464
I made another one!

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>>3059140
Why doesn't anyone respond to this thread anymore?

>>3061754
We do! Also there may be some Steam trading going on too.

>>3061480

here I found the blackerest
v
>>3059724

I want to draw lewd of your husbandos ._.

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>>3061785

>>3061785
Make it so!

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spoopy boy

>>3061785
DO ET!

mine are
>>3061611
>>3061464

>>3061754
You can only have one husbando and anons don't want to repost the same husbando every thread.

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>>3061310
his boyfriend

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>>3059622
so cuuuute

>>3061874
Sheeeeiiiiiitttt

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A...Anon, I don't know anybody here. Will you please be my friend?

>>3061916
emo/10

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i made a custom otp instead, because that's what i love

>>3059175
>>3061381
>>3059587
>>3060666
favourite boys itt

>>3061910
>This will never be real

There is absolutely no reason to live, awoooo

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>>3061910
I will never meet a person like this in real life.

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>>3061910
>that good feel when you've experienced this

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Oh...I guess you don't. S...sorry to be annoying.

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I know I can make this better, but I'm not sure how.

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>>3062072
How about some ice cream? I only got one so we'll have to share.

>>3062050
How do you wanna be friends~?

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>>3062075
>dat pink hair.
Hey, I'm blue, you're pink...wanna make some cotton candy together <3~

>>3062050
I never said I din't want to be friends!

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This lad right here
>>3062082
>>3061910
>>3061916
>>3061598
god-tier
>>3060569
>>3061423
>>3061424
>Giving /pol/ trolls attentions
You guys new around here?

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>>3062118
I have to give this one a 10/10, only because I adore Saitama. However, we do have a thread for husbandos like him. :P

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im crazy into this for no good reason

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I couldn't decide on a husbando so I just made myself because I'm an asshole and I still wanted to contribute. Really enjoying this thread, y'all are very creative and have some excellent taste.

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i fell in love

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tried to make a yandere boy. failed

>>3062227
Looks polite and cute
>>3062224
Pretty handsome, anon
>>3062228
CAN'T WAKE UP

>>3062227
God damn I wanna eat that boy up

>>3062227
me too goddamn

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<3

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>>3062227
Top notch.

>>3062243
What a dork, I wanna bully him~

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let's get traptastic

>>3062453
unnnfff

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Kisekae is kinda interesting. Tried to do the yandere looking guy I posted earlier in this format but somehow ended up with a Christmas elf from hell.

Afterwards, I certainly didn't make a self-insert and have them cuddle, and most certainly did not start making it progressively racier until it became X-rated.

>>3062453
We are supposed to post boys, not women.

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r8 my husbando

>>3062577
Little plain but he looks bulliable~
>>3062534
kisekae has the potential to do a shitload of stuff, it's a matter of do you have the patience to learn it.

>>3062577
>heterochromia
dropped

>>3059261
Agreed

>>3059228
Date me if you're a qt

>>3062599
shit taste desu

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>>3062607
Indeed. I came in my pants.

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I love this website~

>>3062649
What does that hand gesture even mean?

>>3062677
victory
peace
two
anon's a faggot

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Thought I'd try using all three makers in the thread.

>>3062686
thanks

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>>3062228
ow the edge
>>3061916
qt pie
>>3061035
>>3059526
10/10 would go to the library with
>>3060607
nothing like a good demon boy
>>3060586
exactly my type lmao

>>3062693
nice

>>3062693
Veerrryy cute <3

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>>3059563
Cat boys are the best

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Is he cute, /cm/?

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>>3062849
Dressing up for Halloween!

>>3062453
>wooo nice trap!
>b-but I just have long hair...
>pic related mfw
>>3062850
n-nyaa~

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>>3062859
ok now pic related

>>3062849
He is cute...wouldn't mind sliding a couple of fingers in some vulnerable spots~
>>3062860
adorable

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sometimes, plain is best

>>3062860
cutie
>>3062862
imma fuck that eyehole
>>3062865
the fuck is that creature
>>3062866
plain is best, mmm
>>3062914
sad.jpg
>>3062917
qt

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sunshine

>>3062923
yeah but how's big the dick?

TFW no more cute boys posting

>>3063539
We're image capped, m8