>Eggs are not meat
>Fish is not meat
I want this meme to die.
The flesh of plants is their meat.
Nuts and seeds are the unborn children of plants.
Fruits are the ovaries of plants, dripping with reproductive organ juices.
Bread is full of the dead bodies of tiny unicellular creatures that swim around happily before you kill and eat them in huge airy cakes .
Every time you breathe pollen, you're inhaling the sperm of trees who are cumblasting everything in sight with jizz.
Your body is teeming with living bacteria, inside and out. You are constantly eating, drinking and shitting these small little creatures while they seethe all over you.
All of the dust in your house is the dead skin and shit of dust mites. These little animals eat pieces of you every day, and you eat them and their shit which was formerly of pieces of you.
None of these creatures want to die. They have evolved every tactic they can to try to live, despite the fact that you kill and eat them.
You are not above or separate from this intricate and disgusting web of life. You are squarley in the middle of it, and always will be. And this is totally fine and natural.
And might I add, if you do figure out a way to completely opt out of this big, dirty, slithering mess of being alive, all the other living things inside you, upon you and around you will not care. They will eat you, turn you into shit, and plants will eat the shitty, rotted essence of you. Business as usual. Toughen up, Buttercup.
Fish is definitely meat, you eat the muscle of an animal.
Egg is just baby batter not yet formed into an animal.
>it does kinda bug me that fish is not considered meat
Good thing that's basically the equivalent of saying "it does kinda bug me that Earth is not considered round" because a retarded rapper on Twitter believes it.
The only people who "don't consider fish meat" are retards who want to eat fish but pretend they're vegetarian for some reason.
for me, fish is not meat because that would change the distinct meaning of the word. fish is clearly an intelligent animal, no discussion there, but if you are keep fucking with words, you also make yourself dumber and less able to talk and think about stuff. intelligence is all about learning new words with distinct meanings and use them correctly.
you are eating muscular tissue that gets cooked. its meat AND seafood, just like beef, crab, clams and lobster. if you lie to yourself because of religion then... well i guess thats not surprising huh
No, it's a religious thing. Specifically, in the ancient/medieval mediterranean, fish was cheap and land meat was expensive, so fish was for poor people and land meat was a luxury you had to give up for lent.
If you define meat as a product that comes from an animal, then eggs (and milk, for that matter) are meat. If you define meat as something that was once living, eggs don't count unless fertilized and sufficiently developed (like balut).
Fish is always meat, the only reason to distinguish it as "not meat" is that it's a different consistency and from a different source. It's like distinguishing between meat from mammals and meat from birds.
>The only people who "don't consider fish meat" are retards who want to eat fish but pretend they're vegetarian for some reason.
Nah the chefs at culinary school would all specifically say either, "meat" "fish" or "poultry". But nice unprovoked autistic rant.
Meat is not defined as living things. Bacteria and yeast aren't meat. Sprouted seeds aren't meat. Eggs were never alive and are not meat. They're a kind of excretion from chickens, kind of like milk from a cow. I agree with you about fish but this is a losing battle because the culinary world makes a lot of arbitrary distinctions: like how we call tomatoes and eggplants vegetables even though they are fruits.
> I agree with you about fish but this is a losing battle because the culinary world makes a lot of arbitrary distinctions: like how we call tomatoes and eggplants vegetables even though they are fruits.
More irritating, in my view, is poultry. "Meat and poultry" - no, fuck off, poultry is a type of meat by any sane standards, it's not a whole separate classification and you can't make me pretend otherwise.
Beef, pork, poultry and seafood are all distinct things but they're all meat.
Eggs are poultry but they're not meat unless they're fertalized.
Things are /only/ dairy if they started off as milk or contain high levels of milk products.
Poultry has a different texture, different cooking methods, different cooking times, and a different "danger zone" from beef. These distinctions are purely culinary, and are made for culinary purposes, and you'd know that if you've ever worked in literally any kind of a kitchen, even a fast food joint.
I'll bite. If you think eggs are meat, is abortion wrong? What about wasting human eggs and birth control? As eggs are basically chicken periods, is it wrong if a woman menstruates instead of having a child? Is it murder?
You seem to think that "meat" means "flesh". It's more specific than that. It means the flesh of land animals.
It makes perfect sense (from a culinary perspective) to use different terms for poultry and fish as they are very different from the standpoint of flavor, cooking details, and allergies.
How could abortion be murder when life doesn't start at conception, but only a couple weeks later when the fucking thing learns a brain? and then, you even have no memories before a year or so. You can have late term post-birth abortions and it shouldn't qualify as murder except in very specific cases, not a blanket law type thing
Alright time to clear this for the kids that didn't do biology
Eggs are literally organ cells (specifically the reproductive apparatus) of a chicken. It has virtually the same similar nutritional profile to flesh.
If you went gnawing an animal bone and eating the marrow you wouldn't say "I'm a vegetarian cause it ain't flesh". It's still animal cells.
To all intents and purposes eggs are meat, it doesn't fucking matter if the chicken can survive without it.
Now go enjoy your meaty meaty eggs
My point is not that eating eggs is bad, I'm not one of those bleeding heart vegetarians who are afraid to hurt animals. I just think refusing to call eggs meat is stupid. Eggs serve the purpose of being eaten by humans to provide high levels of protein and they come from an animal. Anything other than that is just overthinking things.
Are you so dense you can't see that eating eggs, flesh and bones is as superficial as eating lab-grown meat vs grass fed meat.
From a dietary point of view it's the same shit, animal cells in different forms.
Nobody is talking about saving the fucking animals, you can easily tear a chickens wing off and fry it up without killing it the animal. Do veggies eat that?
>Eggs are not meat
They aren't. You're eating protein, but it never actually made a living thing, ergo not meat.
>Fish is not meat
Only for pescetarians, it makes them feel better that they're eating something with a face because it's less like us.
More or less that it's okay to eat an animal if it's not a mammal.
In some fairness, there is a fairly strong intelligence correlation there, so if you feel like fish are sufficiently inferior to be acceptable to eat it makes sense,.
No it doesn't. There is a huge disparity between the food you choose to eat and the reasons you do it. Caring about animals is incidental to some vegetarians, it isn't the definition of it.
The oldest traditions of vegetarianism come from wanting to get rid of "carnal desire" (which literally means flesh) and minimising what yoy eat.
I can assure you there's no shortage of meat there, it is purely by choice
They aren't exactly developed enough. Meat usually implies muscle. There's just a fetus that'd rot otherwise in an egg. I isn't capable of living.
Milk is completely different. I didn't eat my mother's meat when I drank her breastmilk, I drank her milk. This is just the definitions we have for things. You may have a deep philosophical reason for why we should categorize them differently but we just don't and that is not going to change anytime soon. This has been the standard ever since we started eating meat, drinking milk and eating eggs, it's as simple as that.
I'd eat a chicken's egg but not a human woman's menstruated tissue because eggs are delicious and clean whereas menstrual blood
is just chunkier blood and doesn't taste good.
They are relatively comparable in my opinion. Also, whereas chicken periods come out neat in a packet, women have them much messier
and all over and it's just not nice at all.
I also have a particular dislike towards anything to do with gynecololgy , especially when it comes to humans, and thus the thought of it
puts me off as well. I wouldn't mind eating human flesh but human periods - nah.
Did you just call an embryo an excretion? Try telling that to the anti abortion people. You people just make shit up because you're too lazy to be real vegans. Not that I think its a good idea either way.
the two aren't comparable
a chicken egg is an egg
menstrual blood is the shed lining of the uterus where the egg *was* going to attach itself but since it didn't, the uterus is like "fine fuck it" and tears the carpet out of the room and flushes it down the toilet
if you really wanted to find a human equivalent of a chicken egg, you should consider it a portable womb. so would you eat a woman's uterus? full or empty, doesn't matter, since most eggs that humans consume are either infertile (because hens will lay regardless of whether or not a rooster is present, no sperm = no babies obv) or dead because they were never incubated after being fertilized
there are exceptions of course, you do find developed chicks accidentally (also shit like balut)
and at that point i'd consider them meat
anyway you guys are dumb