>>7304351 Most people in california actually think chianti and chablis are cheap sweet wines.
It's amazing how out of touch with reality they are out there just because truthful labeling is considered anti-competitive by certain crazy people, whether it's cheese, wine, or GMO food. I think a state that starts with "W" has a lot to do with it.
americans and australians actually attempt to make wine that tastes decent or is so cheap it will sell in volume.
europeans will make wine that is objectively terrible and justify its continued existence because of "tradition" and "heritage". their godforsaken family has been manufacturing paint thinner exactly this way for hundreds of years, and so it will continue to do so, and they will charge a premium because of this amazing heritage.
>>7306576 >>7306714 >butthurt Amerilard wondering why nobody outside of their shithole wants their shitty "wine"
Sorry Burt, nobody wants your sewage with food colouring, nobody ever says "I want a glass of American wine tonight". The same way you'll never hear someone go "honey, I want to eat American tonight!".
>>7306714 We make wine that appeals to the lowest common denominator so it will sell in volume. You don't sell anything in volume by producing a quality product. This is true of every facet of the economy.
As an Australian, I can also say we make red wine that is designed to be served too damn hot because "room temperature" here is frequently well above room temperature in Europe.
>>7305438 Your average walmart shopping lardistani would pick a janitor bucket full of coca cola syrup from a broken vending machine that ran out of carbonated water over a bottle of gaja, I'm not sure what your point is. In fucktardistan, vegetables are "icky" and anything with a trace of tannin is "bitter and gross, and where's my ice?"
>>7306831 Lowest common denominator pretty much rules new world wine though.
People who don't drink much wine but who feel they need to have "the best" turn to numeric scores. In a numbers-based tasting competition the most overblown boozy oaky fruit bombs are the only ones that are going to stand out and win the highest scores.
This phenomenon explains why American """food""" is based on hot sauce made of vinegar and chemically extracted capsicum extract to gain the highest scoville units, beer that tastes like garbage piss but has the highest IBU within reach of modern science (science is so KEWL!!~~!~one holds up spork) and why people slavishly buy shitwine based on parker points because, since their mouths are broken from eating shitfood such as """pizza""" made of wisconsin cheese and ranch and tater tots and Dave's Insanity sauce
Remember kids, wine all tastes the same when someone else has something nicer, but MURRIKA #1 when reading about the judgment of paris on wikipedia for the 1000th time.
>>7306988 I don't know why you used the word "though" in your first line. That's basically what I said.
Most Australians do understand this. The locally produced wines that we consider classy have overpowering tannins and very little else, which is another problem altogether. We probably do have some wine that really is world class, but I lack the funds to discover them.
>>7307002 >>7306991 Also just a little rant, I was at a party this weekend with an open bar and the only wine options were california. I should have just gotten liquor but it was too early in the evening and I was in the mood for wine. I got some """"pinot noir"""" from california that basically tasted like syrah soaked in wood ships.
Basically the entire state of california needs to be uprooted and replaced with almonds, at least they're good at that.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/how-the-great-french-wine-blight-changed-grapes-forever-1691598233 Interesting read. I coulda sworn I read somewhere that Euro wines got wiped out and needed American grape strains to survive, but I can't seem to find any sources that support it.
I like sangria. I accidentally made some from sparkling grape juice two years ago.
>>7306576 I don't like the acidity I find in most Italian wines for casual sipping, but I think they go great with heavy foods and cheeses.
>>7304923 Most Californians wouldn't know they were from different countries or what either were made up of. Nor would they actually buy those wines since European wines are more expensive (shipping costs vs East Coast) than a Californian wine would be. I'd argue too that most Americans base their wine purchases price first and varietal second.
>>7306719 Then spend more money for better wine or stop drinking mass produced wines made with Mega Purple. There are hundreds to pick from, find a wine specialty store and ask them for cool a climate California Syrah or a Carneros Pinot Noir. Try shopping in specific AVA's and you should have better luck.
>>7306918 They aren't? Not even a bit? The French's biggest concern is making sure their vintage survives with enough juice to produce a quality enough wine and unless the vintage is fantastic (rare occurrence) the wines are good but not amazing. Don't get me wrong, I think Burgandy is a bit more interesting than Russian River for the most part, but they also have vastly different values/methods than American winemakers when it comes to climate, soil, viticulture, harvesting, and winemaking practices. French wines are far more expressive of their terroir and produce a more unique wine, but its quality is heavily dependent on the quality of the overall vintage whereas Californians usually have fantastic vintages but the wines lack character because their vines never have to struggle resulting in one dimensional fruit bombs like >>7306988 said but sell well to a large populace.
COMMENT BREAK Parker did a real number on the wine industry. There's no way you can taste 100+ wines in a sitting and still score accurately because by that point all you can taste are the biggest and most alcoholic fruit bombs. For anyone who doesn't really know, people started following Parker scores pretty heavily and took it it as an indication of quality rather than preference resulting in large sales for whatever wine he rated highly. I agree following Parker scores exclusively are dumb unless those are the kinds of wines you enjoy, it's a shame that most people don't have fun discovering new wines. However, I don't think it's because their palettes are wrecked, it's that they have no frame of reference for what their drinking and haven't bothered to try any other region more than a couple of times, or maybe they just don't like blends.
>>7307002 >>7307012 I never understand why people compare the entire state of California and the continent of Australia to one French AOC and think that's an accurate comparison unless they are specifically comparing it to a New World style Rhone blend. In your scenario I'd absolutely go with the CDR but in mine I'd have to consider the quality of the producer.
I am sorry the Pinot Noir was terrible, it probably did have Syrah in it, brands under Constellation, Kendall-Jackson, Gallo, Foley, Winegroup, Jean-Charles Boisset, (aka most of what you probably drink) have been pretty bastardized as pretty much anyone in the wine industry will tell you. Nor is it actually representative of California's winemaking ability.
>>7307018 I agree most don't, but it isn't terribly difficult to learn either.
>>7308054 It was Texan rootstock and the French had the idea to do it. I think Spain is really the only country that doesn't use grafted rootstocks.
>>7308113 >Most Californians wouldn't know they were from different countries or what either were made up of. Nor would they actually buy those wines since European wines are more expensive (shipping costs vs East Coast) than a Californian wine would be. I'd argue too that most Americans base their wine purchases price first and varietal second.
I know an older person in california who habitually drinks $50-80 bottles from napa as his "everyday wines", and he won't flinch at $100+ wines for special occasions. To me that doesn't count as a price-sensitive consumer. To be fair he got started drinking napa wines in the 70s and 80s when I imagine they were quite a bit cheaper, he's just stuck with the same brands all this time when they went up in price. I suggested chablis to him once and he said something derisive to the effect that he wouldn't ever drink "that kind of wine" and that I shouldn't either.
I agree that someone who reads the price tag and ignores the label isn't going to be picky, but people who do read labels and pay attention to their drinking experience vs what the label said are rightfully very confused due to lack of laws controlling what companies are allowed to put on the outside of the bottle vs. what's actually on the inside.
>>7308490 >a guy in a band I like had the money to hire a professional winemaker Fixed that for you, it's not that uncommon and it's not always such a bad thing if the winemaker isn't completely shitty
>>7308510 From the website >In the early years at Keenan, he honed his winemaking skills “on the job,” under the leadership of his father Robert Keenan, and renowned winemaker Joe Cafaro. Today, he works in concert with the team to make the best vineyard and winemaking decisions, as well as helping to explore opportunities to engage with visitors in the Keenan tasting room. While Michael accepts the responsibility for making the final decisions for each aspect of the winery, he believes Keenan’s success can be attributed to the efforts of the winery’s talented staff. No doubt he could make wine on his own, but "accepts responsibility for" means no more than that.
>>7310339 That flick is mostly fantasy with a few parts based on things that actually happened
It's entertaining but a lot of people who know nothing about wine get really weird ideas because this and that other movie with the troll looking guy are their only exposure to what they mistake for "wine people culture"
Hence why napa wine is massively overpriced and why the california wine market is flooded with shit-tier pinot noir. People buy because of some shit they saw in a fictional movie, instead of using their mouths
>>7308563 wine 'pallet' also you europoors better get used to the superior American wine and beer because before too long your whole dang continent will be under sharia law and there will be no breweries allowed
>>7312145 Let me guess, craft beer arrived in your podunk meth town in the last decade, and it's the first time your people have ever had access to a food or drink that wasn't completely devoid of enjoyable flavors?
There is room in the world for more than one drink, why don't you post your picture of that liquor store with aisle after aisle of cheap garbage.
>>7312144 but u were commenting on the photo like it actually pertained to the discussion even tho the type of wine in the photo was obviously irelivant... :^\ y r u so upset over such a simple meaningless thing on a laotion lithography website?
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