It is food - a means to fuel and nourish your body, Putting plants at the base of your diet is almost always good for you. And eating an excess of anything is usually bad.
Assuming an ideal human diet is based on vegetables with supplemented with moderate protein and fat and plenty of carbs when needed, vegan and omnivore diets should hardly vary. Either you eat meat and eggs and yogurt or you eat grains and legumes etc. Eating shittons of meat will shorten your life anyway.
Vegans are more like religious fanatics who blindly follow something that they for whatever reason believe will make their lives better, and often feel the need to shout it at everyone they come in contact with.
>>7261211 >>7261215 yeah, it's not the same thing >>7261216 > 20% that "they do not believe there is a spirit, God, nor life force" >20% is the norm >>7261219 >The amount of people who don't follow a specific religion but "consider themselves spiritual" is insignificant. >26% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" if you consider this as not following a religion but considering themselves spiritual, it's still 6% more than people who completely deny it all
20% is the average across all of the EU & EEC, which includes Eastern Europe. In most of the Western European countries, the number of people who do not believe there is larger than the number of people who believe in God. In some countries it's almost twice as many.
>>7260704 Its inane because it limits your choices. Go ahead and eat vegan foods. Hell, primarily eat vegan friendly foods if you want, but you're a dumbass to turn down free pizza because it has pepperoni
>>7261259 >In most of the Western European countries, the number of people who do not believe there is larger than the number of people who believe in God. france has the highest number of atheists but there are still more people who believe in god or believe in something
>>7261261 >not just picking the pepperoni off and blotting away the grease
Eh picky vegetarians are the problem mostly
I'm a vegetarian in the Army. When we go to the field in May I'm going to try to stay veggie, because we're just a hospital unit. But if I'm actually out doing shit I need calories I'll just suspend it for that two weeks.
>Exposure, plain and simple. Scientists tell us that aversions fade away when we eat moderate doses of the hated foods at moderate intervals, especially if the food is complex and new to us. (Don't try this with allergies, but don't cheat either: few of us have genuine food allergies.) Exposure works by overcoming our innate neophobia, the omnivore's fear of new foods that balances the biological urge to explore for them. Did you know that babies who are breast-fed will later have less trouble with novel foods than those who are given formula? The variety of flavors that make their way into breast milk from the mother's diet prepares the infant for the culinary surprises that lie ahead. Most parents give up trying novel foods on their weanlings after two or three attempts and then complain to the pediatrician; this may be the most common cause of fussy eaters and finicky adults--of omnivores manqués. Most babies will accept nearly anything after eight or ten tries.
>>7261289 Thank you for not being the cancer. I mostly keep vegetarian myself, but if I'm at a restaurant with a bad meatless menu, or eating over at a friend's place, I'm having their steak and fries. Its fucking rude to refuse the meal they slaved over, and I don't want them to change their main course just because I'm there.
>The more I contemplated food phobias, the more I became convinced that people who habitually avoid certifiably delicious foods are at least as troubled as people who avoid sex, or take no pleasure from it, except that the latter will probably seek psychiatric help, while food phobics rationalize their problem in the name of genetic inheritance, allergy, vegetarianism, matters of taste, nutrition, food safety, obesity, or a sensitive nature.
>>7261495 >Cooking for a group of 6 people >One is a special snowflake >It's rude not to tailor the menu for all six people to suit the special snowflake, or to cook an extra meal just for the special snowflake
You're the one who's hiding from reality. Calling veganism a phobia ignores what it really is- an ideology And if not eating meat is an ideology, then choosing to do so is one as well. Carnism is easy to do when you don't think about it, which you normally never have to in modern society, but it is the belief that it's perfectly OK to rape, torture and murder billions of animals for the sake of convenience and pleasure.
Anyways, on the topic of the thread, one of the downsides of veganism is that you become a stuck up cunt, apparently.
The upside of veganism is that your food holds a lot longer in storage.
If you broke like me and have to buy your meat from the supermarket, it usually is already like a week past its prime when you take it home, let alone if you don't feel like cooking it the day you buy it.
On the other hand, you can have beans in the cupboard as long as you want.
>>7261504 Exactly this. Even if its just me and them, I'd rather them making food they're comfortable with preparing. When I started cutting meat out of my diet, I found it difficult to make vegetarian recipes that actually tasted good. unless its a medical requirement, it's a choice of personal opinion. When I prepare food for others, I cook vegetarian, and likewise it'd be rude for them to complain about the fact that it doesn't have meat. That being said, I haven't received any complaints about anything I've made since I've stopped telling them beforehand that it doesn't have meat.
>>7261668 >>7261548 I was pointing out that there's a double standard between veganism/vegetarianism and other dietary restrictions, but I guess the point was lost on you two edgelords. Regular decent people would consider the host in those examples rude as fuck, but if it was a matter of vegetarianism, the vegetarian would have to be the one who is accommodating and polite.
>>7261754 Why are you so buttblasted? Meat & fish are both excellent anchor proteins for any dish that are massively versatile. Chicken stock is a basic ingredient in most savoury sauces. Why would I artificially restrict my ingredients just to please one special snowflake who'll cry if I use chicken stock in the risotto?
>>7261764 You. You are why vegans become holier-than-thou fucktards. Hearing lame ass excuses to not do something good for the world every single day makes us cynical to the majority of the population and treat them like children.
Bad: Requires special attention to nutrient intake or subtle health problems occur. Part of a deceptive plan to sour public opinion on capitalism and western values. Full of non-science and divisive politics. Pushed by shitty, arrogant assholes.
>>7261958 Environmentalism isn't all Gaia worshipers and sun eaters. Vegans aren't all militaristic faggots, either. Why is /ck/ more full of shitheads than the rest of 4chan, to the point where this is considered board culture by some? Cancer
Vegans are pretty much brony-tier shitposters when given free reign post anonymously online, and are almost as defensive and "persecuted" as the fake religious trolls who pretend atheism is nothing but fedora 13 year old's being edgy.
>>7261261 >Its inane because it limits your choices. I don't like eating living beings, and I think it's more insane to think we have the right to be superior to any other life form, treat it like shit, and eat it. It seems normal but it's not.
>>7261980 >Why is /ck/ more full of shitheads than the rest of 4chan, Because it isn't, unless you just hang out on those classy boards that get like 3 posts a month and are only visited by middle aged men. Basically everyone under the age of 25 thinks it's cool to foam at the mouth with rage over veganism.
>>7262017 The number of shrill preachy atheists I encounter and the number of shrill preachy vegans I encounter went down sharply when I left the college campus environment.
Just relax, and enjoy the ocean of easy casual sex with attractive young women who don't ask a bunch of thinly veiled questions about your income and net worth as a prerequisite for sex. Don't worry too much about the annoying people, it's a small price to pay.
>>7261741 I blame them for the fact that they can't cook without meat? I cook veggie myself. I can do it well, but I don't expect others to have the same skill set because I'm not an asshole. I know my Chinese friends would rather me serve them a mushroom pasta dish than shitty dim sum, and I'd rather eat their murder-filled jiaozi than whatever vegetarian-friendly abomination they fumble together
>>7261750 Yes, a complete set of philosophical ideals and beliefs, shaped by culture for many generations, is on the same level of depth and complexity as "animals have feelings too!".
>>7261727 >but if it was a matter of vegetarianism, the vegetarian would have to be the one who is accommodating and polite Lmao, I am accommodating and polite because I make my decision based on my subjective ideas about morality, rather than on a complex set of beliefs. I don't believe in hell, but I could understand if you believe consuming the holiest of all foods, the chickpea, would give you a one way ticket down, I'm not gonna make you eat my world class 5 star falafel; religion is a little bit more involved. Besides, you may always politely decline the dinner invitation.
>>7261761 What am I supposed to do when one guest is a jew, and one of my best friends, who was raised in a speciest cult, teaching both that being digested is the ultimate shame, and that of all lifeforms on this earth, pigs are the most degenerate beings and it is a religious duty to avoid disgracing other, more worthy beings whenever possible? Its simple, I'll cook them my tofu stirfry for lunch, I'll eat Ezra's brisket for dinner, and sunday bacon brunch with Gary.
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