>>7257149 >paying an extra fifth because they did a good job Tipping is bullshit. It happens in no other profession. Woo you brought the food to me and made sure I had a full drink cup/delivered my food in a timely fashion. You didn't MAKE the food.
>>7257149 I don't believe in tipping because I don't live in America.
But I certainly wouldn't be swayed by this guilt trip suggestions bullshit. If in America I guess I'd give however much I feel like giving, probably not much unless I found the prices to be very cheap.
>>7257180 >make the food Then you're not getting paid below minimum wage requiring tips to augment your wage making it livable. >>7257206 Uh huh, as if the cost of the food per the cost of the meal doesn't have a ridiculous mark up already. Employers rely on a culture indoctrinated into tipping to cut corners on paying their employees a proper wage.
It isn't the job of the consumer to pay the distributor for their service, that's the role of the manufacturer. If you don't get make enough then clearly you aren't worth much. It isn't my job to pay you for your time, that role falls upon your employer. I'm paying for the product and only the product. I pay for the food and only the food. If you make a shit wage, talk to your boss, not to your customer.
>>7257228 It isnt meat faggot. Its all bulk buy cheap shit. Thats how its so cheap. Does anyone on /ck/ even /ck/? You guys are food network retards. YOU TIP THEM BECAUSE YOU ARENT AN ASS, AND THEY MAKE $3 AN HOUR YOU AUTISTS.
>>7257265 >already paid for the service and meal per the marked up cost of the food
How much do you think a 4 dollar steak 3 dollar veggies marked up to 20+ for the privilege of outsourcing the labor not including the cost of a drink. Where's the logic in paying a gratuity for bringing me the food as a courtesy.
>>7257273 >>7257273 Dude, i dont think you understand, if you go back to that restaurant and the server sees you that you failed to tip, your glasses will remain empty and i can garuntee you a 30 minute ticket time and cold food just because you tipped.
God forbid the server has it in good with BOH cause if so your food will come out fucked. Ive done it plenty of times for good friends in FOH.
>>7257280 You don't think that the salary of the workers should be paid via the meal itself? In any other line of work the cost of employing staff for all facets is computed as a part of service provided. You don't tip the gas station attendant for remembering which pack of smokes you like. You don't tip the stocking worker at the dept store for making sure your favorite product is on the shelf and presentable. you don't tip the bus driver for getting you to work on time.
Why am I paying extra for a glorified delivery vector?
>>7257290 Yeah, nah. So you're saying you have to tip or you deserve to get shitty service? That's their fucking job in the first place. You don't tip your UPS driver do you? No, because their job is to bring the items to you.
it is always paid by the customers, assuming the business if not failing.
you are paying "extra" by paying less for your food. you want the same priced food and no tips (because you are poor). the second tips are abolished and the prices increase is the second you suddenly stop going for that food (because you are poor).
the real reason ameriturd waiters are against removing tipping is that most of them would actually make less money even if they had slightly above above minimum wage paid for their job it's all just pure greed, they want their minimum wage AND the tips.. for fucking waiting tables lmao
>>7257323 I'm not a waiter. The reason I'm for a tipping structure is that I've been to England and Australia frequently, and the service is almost always fucking awful. Incentivizing service leads to better service. If there was a measurable way to prove a server was providing good service, and the employer was willing to offer a bonus structure like in most professions, It would be fine. As is, the burden lies on the diner, because only the diner can really quantify their experience.
>>7257149 This makes me never want to tip again. These entitled pieces of shit need to get a different entry level job, one that will let them really make only $7 an hour and not $10+ but $8+ of it isn't ever mentioned because then they'd lose their sympathy pity party crybaby tantrums.
>>7257344 They should get with the times and get rid of servers except for only the most snooty of restaurants. Don't want to serve yourself? Don't go out to eat. Who cares if they up the price of the food 15%? If you're going to "guilt trip me" into paying minimum 15% anyway, I lose either way. I'd prefer to agree to pay for it up front
>>7257336 >>7257338 Ive worked in like four places, and not once has anyone been called into the office for shit like that. Front of house people are sneaky. They have their ways of getting you off the table. Like for instance, calling on a manager and having them give you some fake ass policy like "you arent eating anymore so pls leave guy" or some shit. If its a money making server, theyll kiss their fucking feet and make it happen. If youre not tipping, then you arent in control. Plus all the manager has to hear is that "he didnt tip on a $X tab and made me run around like crazy" and the manager usually understands because they were there once too. The customer is always right unless he's an asshole.
>greentexting so someone will fucking read, IM AM A COOK NOT A SERVER.
>>7257359 Sure you are. Then why >>7257355? I like the idea that if someone is poor they wouldn't use food banks/foodstamps to augment their food supply instead of living off ramen. But hey your the unqualified authority on cost/benefit analysis in the service industry and me so please go on.
>>7257420 >implying bad service is always FoH's fault.
Why do you think FoH gets so pissed off when a kitchen gets backed up? They can see their income drying up. As a cook, I'm going to get paid the same either way. It's just cutting into cleaning time that will keep me working later.
>>7257443 Bad service is not the same thing as food not arriving, or orders arriving incorrectly from the kitchen.
If the kitchen was backed up, good service FoH would be to go to the customers who are waiting and apologize to let them know there is a delay. Bad service would be not doing that and leaving customers to wait with no idea of what's happened to their order.
>>7257290 >choosing not to perform the tasks you're paid to perform >expecting additional compensation >>7257329 >kicking paying customers out of an establishment you don't own and have no authority within
Yeah, nah. One call to the location's manager or to the corporate office and you're out of a job.
>tipping is your choice but we make it a requirement if you want service All I have to do is get up and leave. I was in your section, I was your responsibility. Suddenly you're responsible for a lost customer, and higher-ups don't much care for that.
When did SERVERS get this idea that it's not their job to SERVE customers? You people aren't even fit for jobs reserved for 16 year old kids.
When i was a server i made about $60 an hour from tips. If you are actually so entitled as to believe that everyone who doesn't tip is an asshole you're probably not ready for any real world jobs. This is especially obnoxious considering the fact that legally if you don't make minimum wage from your tips then your employer has to pay the difference. My gm was a total bro though, I'd tell him about a whiny server and he'd make them straighten up or fire them.
I only tip in actual restaurants. I don't give extra money to glorified food runners
what do I mean by actual restaurant? the waiter knows the food as well as the chef does as a job requirement, can tell you the menu front and back from memory, they actually have valid recommendations and can discuss the food with you, doesn't need a note pad to take orders, and for fucks sake doesn't try to make small talk with you
I am not in a restaurant to make a new friend, I am there to dine on the cuisine!
ITT: cheap fucks who were raised poorly and have never worked in a restaurant before. Let's face it- you don't tip because you can get away with it. You're a cheap fuck and you feel no remorse making someone work as your slave as long as you can save a few dollars.
When you step into a restaurant in America, there is an unspoken agreement that you tip for service rendered. If you choose to violate that agreement then you're a piece of shit. You are letting someone work for you for free, and you are taking advantage of another human just because you can. If you've ever been a server, you know it is hard work.
So in summary, if you don't want to tip, stay the fuck home. Serve yourself dinner, asshole.
>>7257290 I do this for people who don't tip. I will ignore regulars who tip like shit. I will give you the quality of service you pay for. If you tip well, I'll basically suck your dick. If not, you will get the bare minimum.
What I don't get is if we're subsidizing their wages why the hell do we have to tip so much? If me and 2 friends go out and each spend $40 (one $20 meal and three $7 drinks) we should tip a minimum of $6 each (15%). That's $18. Chances are we're there for only an hour. Maybe 2. That's still $9-$18 if we were the only patrons in the restaurant. If the waiter is managing even 3 tables like ours that goes up to $27-$54 an hour. What the fuck?
>>7259074 Yes it may be a high hourly wage, but generally the night doesn't stay steady like that all night. For example, in my 12 hour shift I may make $50 during one busy lunch hour and then $5 the next, then have no tables during the slow late afternoon, then get one more $20 hour before I end up at an average of something like $15 per hour.
>>7259102 Yes it does. It is implied that you will tip. So if you just had a great meal and you leave without tipping, you're breaking your end of the agreement and thus being a little fucker. It's like saying "nah nah nah, i dont HAVE to!" like a little bitch boy.
Fuck wait staff, they keep trying to inflate what the average tip should be(10% was average, 15% was good back in the 90s).
And yes, the fact they get less than minimum wage is shitty, but its a system they benefit most from and advocate for regularly. They know they are getting paid well above their level of training simply by imploring us to feel bad about the model they get paid by potentially being worse than working for minimum wage.
You can't bitch about poor wages and refuse to actually champion reform instead of higher and higher subsidies from the patrons.
>>7259211 >through tips they actually make well above minimum wage >get to keep bitching about how they "make less than minimum wage" >the people actually doing a job in the establishment are making less per hour because they're not allowed to accept tips
It makes me so mad. They can't graciously say "yes I'm tipped well" they have to always always always complain that they "make less than minimum wage" when if they really did, they'd quit and find a new job. They've got it made in the shade here, an entry level job they give 16 year old girls because it's so fucking easy.
Fuck off. I serve a lot of people and I rarely get tipped. I also don't tip. Fuck you uppity waiters that expect extra money for just doing your job. Tipping is 100% optional and if I don't want to pay it, I'm not fucking paying it. If money is so tight, go find a different job you lazy and entitled piece of shit.
Excellent service: $6 Adequate service: $3 bad service: I talk to your manager
Fuck off if you expect me to give you upwards of $10 as a bonus for every 15 minutes you spend serving someone and fuck you if you expect to get tipped based on a percentage of a bill, your job doesn't get harder based on how expensive my food is
>>7257149 If you tip, you are literally a cuck. You are supporting that single mother's children if you tip instead of their father. You wouldn't want to be a cuck now would you? Stop tipping these sluts and whores.
>>7259058 >making someone work as your slave That's where your argument falls apart. You want a tip? Should have stayed in school. I didn't make you take this job. You have an issue with your wage? Bring it up with your boss.
What happens when you tip low? For example if I'm about to leave a trashy diner and I give the waitress a $1 coin? Are there any laws which allow them to detain me? I might be going there for a few weeks in a year or so.
>>7259097 That's still more than most of the kitchen staff who are working as hard, if not harder than you for that whole time. Also, the entirety of their wage is being taxed, which, unlike the 15$ an hour you mentioned, which obviously doesn't include the hourly wage you get.
>>7259275 But they have to write down a few more things, and carry one or two more plates! You should definitely raise their hourly salary by 100%+
Having worked as both a dishwasher and a prepcook, I'm one of the worst tippers you'll ever meet unless I'm flirting with the waitress or on a date/don't want to look bad. And even then, if the waiter looks like he comes from a rich family, or is under 18 I'll likely try to hide how much I tip so I can do 5% max.
>>7257149 excellent service-25% adequet service - 10-15%
poor service- nothing and depending on how shit it was ive sometimes asked for ketchup bottles and used it on the seats and the table but that was only the one time where she spilled hot coffee on my lap then lectured me on swearing in front of children when i yelped from having HOT COFFEE ON MY DICK
>>7259340 $5? Closer to $8-10 if you go to a decent place, plus a $1-2 drink. In my experience, for a $5 burger you won't even get a waiter, barring mom-and-pop diners.
A rational tip system would be based on the number of plates you order, perhaps a flat dollar per entree/appetizer. A $20 steak is just as easy to carry over as a $6 appetizer. If it's something dangerously hot, like a baked Alaska or sizzling fajitas, toss in another dollar. People shouldn't be nickel and dimed for a nice night out.
>>7257323 This. A lot of times the wait staff winds up making WAAY more than BOH because of tips. On a busy night where I work, a decent waiter will often make three or four times what I make as a senior line cook- plus they don't pay tax on most of it. Don't get me wrong I love my job and can't imagine doing anything else, but sometimes it bugs me how this part works. Especially when some server has the nerve to complain that some table 'only tipped ten percent' or something when if you actually figure it out they're making like forty or fifty goddamn bucks an hour and I'm making fifteen.
If the service is good/great: 10% If the service is anything else, they don't get a damn thing.
I don't give a shit how little you make, if you cannot do your basic ass job and be somewhat quick about it, then you are not getting a tip. End of discussion. I understand that the kitchen can slow things down, but if you leave for 40 minutes and never come to mention that the kitchen is taking awhile i will assume it is your fault and that will be reflected in the tip you wont receive. Its fucking simple.
My friends sister raises this big fucking fuss over everytime me and him leave a restaraunt without leaving a tip, or only leave a dollar or two. This bitch has a kid, has no fucking money other than childsupport and welfare, and gives out 10 dollar tips on 15 dollars worth of food no matter how shit the server is. It's fucking stupid. And she always give the same fucking excuse "Oh well i worked as a server once and i know how hard that shit is" (bare in mind this bitch has been though at least 25 jobs and hasn't kept any of them for more than 3 months).
Being a server is not that fucking hard. I've done it. You bring drinks, you bring food, you help clean up. God forbid you have to talk to the customer here and there. In fact, the job is so fucking easy, you usually can wait multiple tables at a time! So if one table doesn't tip well, chances are that the other 3+ tables might. If you work your ass off, and are particularly friendly and have good people skills, you will probably end up with a tip! If you just do your job, there is a decent chance you will still get a tip! If you suck dick in the pantry while your 5 tables have no drinks or food, you will not be getting a tip.
>>7257149 How my daddy taught me to tip Great service - $5 and flirt with her nicely Okay service - $2 and flirt with her rudely Shittastic service - $0 and insult her intelligence to her face Male server - $0 regardless
>>7257255 You have zero idea how a business runs. Ever heard of overhead? You don't pay for the food you pay for the food, lights, water, property tax/rent, employee wages. If you think you are paying for just the food you are retarded.
>>7257149 In Germany, it's like this tip is >10% excellent service tip is 5-10% everything was very good, fine service tip is <5% it more or less sucked tip is 1% it sucked and you can hate me now no tip I'm a poor student but it was good
When I went to the US last year I struggled with tipping. After we picked up the rental car we went to a McDonalds drive thru for a quick bite. I handed the cashier the ~$20 for the food and another $20 as a tip. He gave me a strange look and handed it back. Confused the fuck out of me.
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