does anyone else think jap food is severely overrated? they invented the word umami, but their only seasonings are soy and fish stock. they don't traditionally use garlic, peppers, tomato, cheese, meat stock, cumin, coriander or anything with a lot of flavor. the most exciting thing they do with pork is fry it and eat it with plain rice. they way I see it japan is basically england tier but with raw fish instead of fried.
Yeah, I was disappointed to find out how simple most Jap cuisine is after I wanted to learn more about it than sushi. Sushi is a delicious food, and Japanese cuisine has a couple other great dishes, but it's mostly pretty plain.
I don't believe it's a bad cuisine though, as much as British food is. A bit plain at times, but it's still interesting and often quite flavorsome.
>does anyone else think
The answer to this is almost always certainly yes. It's a terrible way to create a discussion. Pet peeve of mine.
Yes, Japan is overrated. It's been done to death.
On a semi-related note, I was thinking the other day how it's sad that Nintendo can't put out a good Zelda game every few years. Rocksteady was arguably making the best Zelda-style games with their Arkham series.
Ignoring the fact that your op post ignores hundreds of dishes and preparations in its reduction...the entire point of Japanese food is its subtlety. Their philosophies are simply different when it comes to cuisine. I think it's overrated, but I don't think you should be treating food so absolutely - it leaves out any room for variety. A dish doesn't have to have intense singular flavor, or cheese, to be amazing.
Well in fairness, the ideal of washoku is that locality and seasonality be respected, most of these cultureless whitebreads will gladly try to make a tomato dish in January and then complain that it's underwhelming memefood
Half the shit used in japanese cooking is imported
The idea of using fewer, high quality ingredients instead of fifty gorillion mystery chemicals and meat slurry is definitely not imported
Enjoy your tendies and ranch, pepe
It's just food.
The shit that's hyped up whereever you are is usually junk food in Japan. For example okonomiyaki, yakisoba, and *katsu.
What Japanese people actually eat can be plain in comparison to whatever you eat but that's what they're used to.
In any case it's just food.
Weebs who hype it up are retarded but you people who use those weebs as an excuse to downplay Japanese food are just as stupid.
Stop making a big deal out of food. You had expectations from seeing weebs rave about some culture's food and then you tried it and didn't liked it. Congratulations. You learned that there are things you don't like.
It's a fact they have ingredients western cuisines don't. As for those ingredients not being interesting, that's subjective - and doesn't seem to be based on much, because you seem ignorant of a lot of their dishes. How much Japanese food have you actually eaten?
They are afraid of flavor because your american shitfood can't provide it
Remember, if all you have is CAFO garbage and wooden supermarket tomatoes, then yes, it is ok to blast it with crystal hot sauce and ranch
But in some places, this isn't necessarily true, and some people enjoy the true flavors of the ingredients
Japs like eating junk food like any one of us.
But they always go back to their own food that has the "Japanese taste".
Afraid of flavor lol there are people in this world who actually believe this Japanese people are so cucked they are scared of flavor
what about china and korea which are right next door with way more flavors than salty fish and fermented beans? I don't think being the only one to invent natto is something to be proud of.
You didn't answer my question. How much Japanese food have you had? Natto is good by the way, and very healthy. If something can be said for Japanese food, objectively, it's that it's one of the world's best for your health.
Japanese food is a bit overrated but it's still fantastic, there are many meals that are absolutely delicious and they have a decent variety of traditional foods. And I fucking love set meals.
Have this picture from my recent travels. It's creamy cheese and ham soup tsukemen (you dip the noddles in the soup at the side there before eating). Was really good. The noodles were supposed to be spicy but the japanese idea of spicy is laughable.
Japan is all about bringing out the flavor in products without the use of spices or sauces. They're in certain dishes, but bringing out the flavor of the ingredients without that is pretty common.
It's nice once in a while, but fuck eating that shit everyday. I could just not do it. Had to mix it up with some spices every now and then.
Overrated by who? Weebs by definition. And in the late 80's and early 90's sushi and Japanese-Western fusion were prestige foods in places like New York and LA. And we've seen a ramen craze for just over a decade.
But I think the only people really going nuts over Japanese food in an adoring way are chefs looking there for inspiration - guys like David Chang, and Jean-Georges (who has been doing it for decades). Neither of them are terribly reverent about it.
At the high end Japanese food is as codified, refined and formalized as French, yet there's almost no overlap between the two. That makes for really interesting crossover stuff.
At the low end their junk and snack food is delicious, and not quite as trashy as Western junk food.
Personally I don't eat Japanese food very often, but I've been to Japan four times, and thought the food there was delicious. In total I've spent a month there, and have fond memories of many meals. But I don't pine for it the way I pine for Italian, Middle Eastern or Indian food. And I don't see people putting it on a pedestal these days the way they did 15 or twenty years ago.
tl;dr I don't think it's overrated, but I understand why some chefs are fascinated by it.
>soy and fish stock
I agree that the food is overrated but that's just absurd. They use a lot of other seasonings. Common ones include miso, yuzu (a kind of citrus that's much more flavorful than a lemon), sansho (similar to Sichuan peppercorns), finely chopped dried seaweed, vinegar, sake, and sugar. Those are all very common seasonings in much of Japanese cooking. There's other specialty seasonings too.
>China is chink indian cuisine
>mfw I've only had sushi, ramen, miso and teriyaki
What am I missing out on? I always get thai food instead.
As an anglo-jap guy who lives in britain but goes to japan every year, putting jap cuisine in the same league as british cuisine does not sit well with me. I like a good english breakfast now and then, and our family has sunday dinner every week, but holy shit japanese food is some of the best shit ever, healthy too. Ramen, soba and teppanyaki is my jam. Sushi is also good albeit expensive, and japan's bastardised versions of western food - jap curry, mos burger, etc are good too. You will be hard pressed to find a bad meal in japan, since everybody works their fucking dicks off there.
I doubt you'll find any chinese chef abusing added animal fat anytime soon.
Mostly because they'd discovered batter at one point, unlike their southern neighbours.
Chinese food needs a renaissance. Traditional recipes can't keep up with the sudden availability of so many ingredients and techniques - not with industrial food knocking on the door. There's always been what I'd like to call a "corrupt" restaurant culture funded by government officials and the rich, however it's time for them to face the music and appeal to a growing middle class that already has strong appealing alternatives in boxed lunches and some of the best street food in the world..
their packaged goods can be shit but other than that, yeah its incredible
A lot of people who criticize japanese food haven't eaten it either. They may have gone to some meme jap restaurant run by koreans or something, but that's a bit like going to taco bell and considering yourself to be wise to Mexican cooking
It's only overrated by weebs and people who buy into that "Jap diets are SUPER healthy" crap.
But the food really is good. Most of it. I don't think it's as complex and tasty as Chinese cuisine, but that's what you get when for the vast majority of the country's history, they were basically shut off from the rest of the world and poor as fuck.
You don't have to hate things just because weebs like them. Japan is still a part of the world and they've made some pretty good shit.
Try growing up with a Nip family.
While there are some dishes I like, most of Japanese cuisine is very bland compared to much of the rest of the world.
Fuck you. Subtlety belongs in literature, not food. Japanese have some of the best classic writings of any nation in the world but some of the blandest food. Even curry is so bland and it's not bland anywhere else! When I was a kid, if my parents or other adults used to made curry rice from scratch instead of using the block, they would put MAYBE one tablespoon of curry powder for the whole family, but usually, it was only a nearly full one, not a complete tablespoon. And that's how all Japanese make it when it is homemade curry.
It's not subtle. It's just bland.
>Try growing up with a Nip family.
>While there are some dishes I like, most of Japanese cuisine is very bland compared to much of the rest of the world.
I'm not Japanese, but I grew up in an immigrant family and I thought my culture's food was shit too.
Then I grew up, learned more about the world, and eventually figured out that we were using shitty local substitutes instead of the proper ingredients from the old country.
It makes a difference, nisei-kun.
I'm this guy >>7257446 and like I said I've been four times for about a month's time total spent there. And I'm quite sure they can fuck food up there. I made it a point not to eat any Japanese takes on Western dishes after seeing what they do to pizza. But the food I had, even the fast food was generally made to a higher standard than comparable food in the US. Even the convenience store crap they sell at Lawson's Dairy is a few notches up from what you'd find at a US 7-11 or Circle K. It's not that they don't eat trashy shit, it's just that the threshold for how trashy they'll go is higher. The level of cooking you find in the food court in the Shinjuku Station for example is higher than anything you'd find in a food court in the US - the employees have good ingredients to work with and take pride in what they do. That's not how it's done here.
Anywhere where a number of Japanese live, there are stores carrying a huge amount of Japanese ingredients. We had no shortage of supplies for most ingredients.
Japanese food is just bland.
I grew up in a Chinese family and I hated Chinese food as a result
But that was because when my friends were eating pizza and hamburgers like the people on TV I was eating shit that I thought was embarrassing or weird. Now I'm the cool one cuz I can order off the Chinese menu and get the "authentic" food when I go out with my friends.
My dad and grandma are/were good cooks too but if your friends have soda and chips at their houses and you have tea and char siu bao at your house you feel weird and resent all the Chinese food. I appreciate it now and probably eat more than my siblings but if you don't understand how a child wouldn't be happy with that then...