Good Photoshopping

>>8807093
Is this an example of your editing that you want to improve, or what you consider a quality photo?

>>8807099

This is an example of what I'd consider a really good edit.

>>8807122
Wtf is even happening in the photo? It's just a bunch of sparks and motion blur covering the actual subject

>>8807252
I assume the gun is supposed to be firing. I'd probably think it looks pretty cool too except a.) guns from Mass Effect don't eject spent casings, and b.) muzzle flashes don't actually look anything like that.

>>8807122
It's horrible?

>>8807444
Think it's bad? Post better, then. Let's get some content in here.

>>8807444

I think for conveying a story with some excitement, it looks great. I hear people hating on things, but like >>8807450 said, post what you consider better.

>>8807278
The muzzle flash I can forgive, since it's a futuristic weapon, it might flash differently, but its the particle effect I dislike as it's basically backdrafting towards the wielder, endangering them! Worse weapon design ever in that respect then!

>>8807676

I could see things done better, but if I were the cosplayer I would be ecstatic.

>>8807690
Sorry bout ur shit taste

>>8808097

hah, Maybe you're right. Just show me what you think is great. I am extremely curious.

Sighhhh, I was thinking of contacting him to get some decent pictures bc his out of con shoots look really good to me but...his at con stuff looks so over shopped to me that it hurts me.
I guess I'm at the point where I don't want gimmicky crap, I just want good photos of me and what I'm wearing.
I'm not a kid, I either worked hard in the costume or paid good money for it, I want to be able to see the damn thing in photos.

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>>8808201
I like clean shots that aren't overly shopped with motion blurs and effects.

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>>8808661
This costume isn't the best but the photo composition is great.

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>>8808663
35ryo is god tier. Best cosplay photographer in my opinion

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>>8808666
35ryo again

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>>8808667
And again

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>>8808670

>>8808670
This photo is awesome.

>>8809466
Yeah dude I'd love to shoot with this photog, all murrican ones are shit in comparison

>>8808666
>>8808661

These two are great.

>>8809676
I think this person's style is great, but I think you are wrong.

>>8809686
The sniper pic is by an Australian photographer named Beethy, not Ryo35

>>8808661
>I like photos that are utterly bland, but are taken by "big name" cosplay photographers and heavily marketed on Facebook

>>8808666
Can't find anything wrong with this. This is awesome. I wish I could find cosplayers with this level of costuming skill.

>>8808667
Looks just too warm and washed out for my taste

>>8809676
Photographers can't polish turds but so far. Maybe the photographers you work with aren't the problem. :)

>Fixed.

>>8811092
Salty murrican photog detected.

>>8808661
With bad physics in them

>>8811092
>>I like photos that are utterly bland, but are taken by "big name" cosplay photographers and heavily marketed on Facebook
marketed? It went viral because it's a well done image. There was no marketing involved. You sound really dramatic.

>>8811151
They probably meant it was a Sponsored post, meaning Beethy paid for it to show up on a few feeds, not to mention him posting it around a few places, to help get others to like it and start sharing it

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>>8811152

>>8810908
Looks like her armpit is snowing

>>8811224
Sorry I meant to post that in the shitty thread

I like reading what people are saying about the photos and styles of edits. I don't feel it fair to compare edited cosplay photos of different characters/genres unless the same goal was trying to be achieved.

Comparing this >>8807093 to this >>8808670 are completely opposite, but both have their merits.

>>8808661
>>8811145
>>8811151
>It's a well done image

Maybe you mean it's in focus, and retouched competently. That I will give you. But it's BORING.

It's also confusing. I look at it and I'm wondering WHO this broad is, WHO she's firing at, WHY she's jumping while firing a gun (or if it's recoil, WHY she'd even be using that weapon), WHY the dust trails look so fake and are going in the WRONG DIRECTION, and WHY her pose looks so unnatural.

Everything about the pic is weird and not-quite-right. For instance, people don't have gun battles in wide-open deserts with no cover, jumping in the air.

A better take on this picture would have been a close-up of her aiming, or her posing with the rifle. Nothing that shows all this space. It's the wrong kind of character for the environment.

>>8813756
For fucks sake then post a better version. I swear any time we have a photography thread, all you "great" photographers do is shit talk each others' work without providing a counter example of a good or better photo. A lot of us aren't expert photogs (especially in an "I want to learn" type thread like op made), so without the photos to back it up so much of this just sounds like endless nitpicking.

I like seeing the posts from people who don't even know how to do photo manipulations bashing photoshop work to try and seem cool.

It's hilarious.
If they think it's that bad, then they should post something of their own that they think is better.

>>8811152
This is utter ass... I hope the Cosplayer didn't pay

>>8813821
much like with cooking you can tell what's bad without having to be able to cook yourself

>>8813756
Yeah it's a terrible photo, which is why it went viral and everyone liked it.

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>>8813878
He's just asking for a better example so he can see NOT having the anon prove they're good at photography.

Using your cooking analogy he just wants to see any dish that's better.

>>8813756
>It's also confusing. I look at it and I'm wondering WHO this broad is, WHO she's firing at

Hell most photos that show someone firing don't even show the target. Take your typical game action shot and you just see the person, the weapon and the act of firing but you rarely see the reason or the target

jumping backwards while firing definitely looks silly as fuck

>>8813976
Someone never saw a John Woo film

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>>8813756
It's Nova from the Heroes of the Storm trailer. Pic related.

>>8813976
Only to nitpicky faggots. I think it looks cool. Unrealistic? Sure. But we're talking about a fictional psychic space sniper so ...?

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I'll share one of mine.

>>8814036
This looks really overdone to me. You can barely see the cosplayer.

i'll share two of mine cosplay.
http://cs622126.vk.me/v622126734/419ed/t3MxVzHSznY.jpg
http://cs622126.vk.me/v622126734/41a01/s6GLPHGL0fg.jpg

>>8814057

I am having trouble telling what is real and what is not. Great job. I'm also unfamiliar with what it's from, but nevertheless impressive. Where can I see more?

>>8813990
usually he has the jump forward or to the sides

>>8813995
you could have had her do something much cooler

>>8814095
>you could have had her do something much cooler
>you
This is not my photo. I'm not even a photographer.

>>8814057
The second one is especially good. Who's the photographer?

>>8814093
all decorations is real, CG - sky, water, creatures and light
More on facebook , search "showram"

>>8814101
Ilya Nodia nodia-foto.ru

>>8813756
>For fucks sake then post a better version.

Do food critics have to post a better dish in order to earn the right to say something tastes bad?

>>8813837
>I like seeing the posts from people who don't even know how to do photo manipulations bashing photoshop work to try and seem cool.

I *am* a photographer, and the reason I don't do composites is because I *know* they will look like shit. Composites MUST be done perfectly, or people will say shit like, "dust doesn't move like that" or, "people who jump with weapons don't usually jump backward", or, "her hair isn't moving realistically". One tiny detail can ruin hours and hours of work.

>>8813970
>Yeah it's a terrible photo, which is why it went viral and everyone liked it.

Justin Bieber. One Direction. The Backstreet Boys. Nicki Minaj. Lil Wayne.

>>8813995
Only to nitpicky faggots. I think it looks cool. Unrealistic? Sure. But we're talking about a fictional psychic space sniper so ...?

Snipers usually HIDE behind cover and camouflage, TO AVOID DETECTION, which is pretty impossible while JUMPING IN THE AIR in a flat desert. Fucking idiot.

You're obviously the photog, or one of his circle-jerking faggot friends, and that's cool. But don't get mad at the person who's showing pretty obvious flaws in an otherwise boring image. It's just a girl, jumping in space. No context, no personality, nothing.

>>8814224
>what is subjectivity
Listing a bunch of music that is both popular and popular to hate on doesn't prove your point. A lot of people like the image. Sorry that upsets you so.

>>8814224
No food critics don't HAVE to point out a good dish. But if they want to be taken seriously they should praise something every once in a while. To keep beating your food analogy to death, if a critic goes down a line of ten different dishes, points to each one, and say "shit"... "shit".... "extra shit".... "less shit but still shit" to every single one, you start to think that the critic is an overjudgemental ass who either only thinks his own food is good or maybe he just hates food. But if the critic goes down the line, calls one shit but then says that the next one is a good dish and why, you say to yourself "oh okay, I get where he's coming from now."

Photography threads that are 95% shit talking with maybe 5% praise have the same effect. For me personally it's frustrating because I'm a newbie photographer and I'd love to learn but damn you guys make it hard because you never post what you actually like (or in the rare instances that you do, someone else rips it apart).

>>8814231
And to add on, this is a general observation about nearly every photography thread that happens on this board. The bread and butter thread is one of the only ones I've seen that 's actually gone anywhere.

>>8814231
>>8814233
Because photographers are a jealous lot.

I'm gonna keep it 100 with you: cosplayers don't know good images. They think any picture with them or someone they know, or a picture with "cosfamous" people involved is a good image.

They think anything processed in Photoshop with unnatural colors or effects is a good image. They also think anything that lots of other people like is a good image.

Cosplay photographers use this ignorance and naivety, overprocess their work, and rack up the likes. That burns my ass. Again, keeping it 100.

A good photo should make you think, make you feel something. This photo doesn't make me feel anything. There's no danger, no drama, no suspense, nothing. Just a girl with brightly colored and glowing clothes. In a gun fight. Shooting a big gun. At no one. With gas trails but no muzzle flash. In a flat desert with no cover. If me saying that an image that makes no sense, makes no sense. bothers you, I apologize.

And it's true, a lot of these photography threads turn into shit talking fests. That's because you guys hold up shit, and expect us to start kissing the ass of the guy who shit it out. There are many better photos even in this thread.

>>8814239
It doesn't bother me that you don't like the image; it bothers me that we rarely see examples of what you experienced photogs think is "good".

I fully admit that I'm a cosplayer who also dabbles in photography, and I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I thought the pic in questions looks fine because let's be real, we rarely see anything circulated that looks better. That is pretty much the pinnacle of what a cosplayer can expect top dollar to buy on the East Coast because our selection to choose from is more often than not mediocre crap that costs $50 for a half hour. If you're bothered that US photographers exploit our ignorance, i.m.o the only way you're going to combat that is by circulating "good" cosplay photos. It's very difficult to absorb your complaints and learn the difference between good and bad editing/framing when there is nothing better to compare it to.

>>8808666 and >>8808670 are excellent, excellent photos.

They're probably heavily retouched and composited, but you would only notice that after a serious examination, if at all. That's what I mean when I say composite have to be perfect in order to be good.

Those photos also are dramatic, clearly establish context, and are lit and framed well. Again, I don't do compositing, so I couldn't show you good composites from my own work.

>>8814095
Somebody's never seen Hard Boiled. You know, one of his all time best movies

https://youtu.be/3wYCh5nxyCI?t=51s

>>8814224
>Do food critics have to post a better dish in order to earn the right to say something tastes bad?

They don't but OP has been using this thread as a source of inspiration and improvement. Ok you don't like the examples but if you're going to shit on everything and not post a good counter example to actually help the discussion then you just look like an asshole. You can't help someone just by telling them everything they shouldn't do.

So much salt in this thread of people who can't take the heat when their work gets trashed. You're bad. Practice more and get better.

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>>8814239
>A good photo should make you think, make you feel something. This photo doesn't make me feel anything. There's no danger, no drama, no suspense, nothing. Just a girl with brightly colored and glowing clothes. In a gun fight. Shooting a big gun. At no one. With gas trails but no muzzle flash. In a flat desert with no cover. If me saying that an image that makes no sense, makes no sense. bothers you, I apologize.

Guess what, they're trying to recreate a scene that would happen in the opening cinematic.

https://youtu.be/0ecv0bT9DEo?t=1m26s

Oh look at that. You have a futurisitc sniper girl, fighting UP CLOSE, WHO JUMPS BACKWARDS, in the MIDDLE OF THE DESERT , with NO COVER and when she does shoot you don't even see the target. Let's also ignore the fact that whenever you see images of someone moving and shooting at the same time they focus on the shooter and don't even show the target.

>>8814231
>>8814233

People are always going to hate on what you do. I post things on here because I expect people to be overly harsh and blatantly mean. You can still take that information and use it towards becoming a better photographer.

I do what I do and share it. If someone picks it apart and criticizes it, that's fine. I welcome them to do better.

Some of the logic in this thread is laughable.

>>8814239
Like this^ Being a photographer for a living, who also photographs cosplayers, I will take a photo and work with it, using the cosplayers as a model for a vision. If the cosplay community sees it, it's picked apart as if it's a cosplay photo. That is drastically different than a photograph, in my opinion.

I hear this person describing what a photo SHOULD be, yet not providing results. Show your work. Talk is cheap.

https://poal.me/vgaffw
vote /ita/

>>8814224

If you want to be good at something you first must be willing to be bad at it.

>>8814036
For the love of god learn composition before making a fucking watermark faggot!

>>8815348
What am I looking at?

>>8814356
It's such a common thing i see on CGL, The comments like these that explain or prove something are completely ignored. You guys just like to argue.

>>8808326
What is this even supposed to look like? Looks like they used the spraycan in MS Paint.
>>8810908
>>8811227
Cannot unsee. Also, that photo is so overexposed that half her wig and an entire arm disappeared.
>>8815348
All that work ruined with one of the most unflattering poses I've ever seen.

>>8814224
This sounds like a fucking copypasta.

>>8815596
It's cause the guy has no more arguments

>>8815348
This almost looks like its from a porn shoot

>>8819427
I thought the same thing!

>>8819427

The character is sultry and whatnot, but this pose and edit both look like it would be a cheap ad on a flier to get you into a strip club or on porn video cover.

Positive note, this could be your niche?

>>8815615
>>8816649

You never addressed any of the arguments I already put forth.

The Punisher photo has him jumping backwards, but into cover. It's tightly cropped to show drama, and has bullet trails showing that he's in a battle with someone.

The cinematic never has a boring frame like that one in it. It's all action. I was trying to be diplomatic, but your photo is fucking boring. And if you can't see that it wasn't done well, then you will never improve.

>>8814661
You think a cosplay photo is different than a photograph? Sometimes I wonder if you people even realize what you're typing.

>>8820029

I don't think they are different, but when a photo is done using cosplayers, the cosplay community picks it apart as if it were a convention photo.
It's less about the photo overall and becomes about the specific details that makes a cosplayer standout. This is something I've observed repeatedly. I don't really care if you understand, your opinion has been shit anyways.

>>8820029
You complained about there being no cover and firing at nothing yet in the cinematic that the shot is based off of the character fights in an area with no cover and shoots into nothing.

>The Punisher photo has him jumping backwards, but into cover.

Into cover? He's in an alleyway with his back to the wall. What's supposed to be covering him?

Where's the cover in this shot? Hell where are the bullet trails? Heck in two of these covers he's shooting into nothing.

http://www.comics.org/issue/65674/cover/4/

>>8813972

>>8820062
The cosplay community is much more forgiving that the rest of the photography community. Post this shit on /p/ and they will rip it to shreds for trying to emulate the Hollywood blockbuster feel without the Hollywood blockbuster budget or Hollywood blockbuster result.

>>8814036
It's cool but loses focus of the cosplayer which im assuming is the focus of shot

>>8820029
I was with you up until this post. Honestly this is sounding more and more like this kind of photo isn't your personal style, but you keep arguing that it's a technically poor piece. You clearly like tight, grungy, action-packed shots with bullets and set pieces everywhere rather than the style of the original photo, which is a lonely, alien environment (with a gun that shoots lasers and thus clearly wouldn't have shells or smoke trails). It's fine to not like something, but you aren't actually contributing to the thread or making your point well.

>>8815348
This is a fucking mess.

>>8820815
The focus isn't the cosplayer, it's the overall image. I'd hoped to achieve what it would be like to see Korra in Avatar state in front of your eyes.
Blocking out the eyes with white, like in avatar state, was something I considered not doing because her eyes looked so cool and it's harder to recognize the person.
So this shot was done with the whole image in mind and not the cosplayer specifically.
The cosplayer is a fantastic Korra though.

>>8820758
>where are the bullet trails
>In the picture you posted
>That clearly has multiple bullet trails from people shooting at him

I'm done with you. 9/10 for keeping me responding so long.

>>8820818
It's not about it being my personal style; I like a lot of different aesthetics. But the photo we're talking about has a gas trail coming out of her gun (but no muzzle flash), so it stands to reason she's shooting bullets.

The point I'm making is that since there's so much empty space in the frame, the sense of danger is lost. It would have been greatly improved by simply having some bullet trails from enemy shooters going past, or by cropping it closer, and from shooting it at a more dynamic angle.

I don't think it's horrible. I just think that as presented, it's boring. I think the 35ryo images in this thread are much better. But to each his own. I'll post some photos of shots I prefer in just a bit.

>>8821081
>But the photo we're talking about has a gas trail coming out of her gun, so it stands to reason she's shooting bullets.
Makes sense

>since there's so much empty space in the frame, the sense of danger is lost
Also makes sense but again, my initial takeaway was something isolated and alien (it looks like she's bouncing up on a planet with little gravity), so the lack of danger didn't bother me in the same way. T.b.h. I like it more without the inspiration video next to it, since the photo does a poor job of conveying the mood of that sequence.

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>>8821081
>That clearly has multiple bullet trails from people shooting at him

I was talking about the link I posted the league of legends picture. If you want to be ignorant and not read the post then I say you're just a dumbass. So tell me slim, wherein the photo shows that the person is being shot at here or in the League photo?

>>8821081
You haven't said anything about the location since the video was posted. You kept posting "NO COVER" and asking questions like why is a sniper out in the open. Meanwhile the video the cosplayer was taking inspirations from shows said character fighting in the middle of a desert that actually has no cover.

>>8815348
She looks like she's about to give birth.

>OP asks for a photo dump thread
>16 photos
>73 posts of catfighting
classic CGL...

>>8814036
Your logo looks like a dick.

>>8824315
Too old. Do not want.

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I prefer doing as much practical effects as possible.

http://cosnavi.biz/%E5%B2%A9%E8%88%9F%E5%B1%B1%E3%82%AF%E3%83%AA%E3%83%95%E3%82%B9%E3%83%86%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8%EF%BC%88%E6%A0%83%E6%9C%A8%E7%9C%8C%E4%B8%8B%E9%83%BD%E8%B3%80%E9%83%A1%E5%B2%A9%E8%88%9F%E7%94%BA%EF%BC%89

>>8824315
>>8824313
>>8824321
>>8828255

Sniper shot complainer anon here, and I really like these shots.