Tipping

>>1082402
Servers in my area make 60k a year.... Good luck having a restraunt pay you that. KEK

>>1082404
What area you in anon? With cost of living that might just be the fair wage. If a garbage man makes 50k+ then 60k for waiting tables seems reasonable

>>1082408
Average pay in my area is 45K. When you have servers driving brand new cars it's pretty nice. FLorida. It's a pretty nice restraunt. By the water and all.

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>>1082404
Bruh, even at a high class resteraunt, the most a 5 star server will make is $15 an hour +tips, maybe like an additional 5-10 an hour depending on how upscale.
Most servers though probably make minimum + tip, which generally ends up getting bout 2-3 more an hour.

i do not go to restaurants in order to avoid tipping

>>1082402
>Is it reasonable?
Yeah. To an extent, it subsidizes food cost.

>Does /biz/ generally tip or have any stories?
I always tip. Always tip cash as well if possible. Most I've tipped was around $300. I picked up a bartender's half of the rent that month for her. I had three beers over the course of an evening, but she kept me company. Tatted up, pierced, dyed chick talking to a yuppie in a suit was pretty funny. Refused to let her give me her number afterward.

Some servers are really interesting people. I enjoy talking to them.

>>1082409
Yea then 60 sounds on the successful side of normal. But not excessive for a full time job. Servers have literally zero benefits. If a lot of the income is in unclaimed cash then better. Always tip in cash.

>>1082425
If they make 60k a year they are one of the ones that work 40 hours a week.

i tip 20% and $1 per mixed drink or poured beer. or espresso / hand brewed coffee.

I also tip $5 a night in my hotel room, for the maids, plus $20 on check out.

tip the vallet $5 -10, bell hop $10, and concierge $20 the first day and a varying amount if i use his services.

$5-10 for a shoe shine

My barber $5-10 depending on if a hair cut or cut and shave

I grew up in Las Vegas, in the hospitality industry and it was all ways ingrained in me.

>>1082415
>i do not go to restaurants in order to avoid tipping

Why don't you just go and not tip? Lol

That's what I do. And honestly it's because I NEVER get good service. Ever. I always wait for fucking ages, they always forget something/mess it up, take too long, don't bring bill in time, etc.

>>1082448
And they wonder why black people don't tip

My step mother, as well as many of my friends are waiters or waitresses, so I always tip. My father was always a generous tipper, so I suppose that passes down to me. I don't do it because it's a social obligation, I do it because I enjoy giving.

>>1082448
maybe you don't get good service because they know you don't tip?

>>1083004
maybe black people don't tip you because you aren't black. it depends on what quality of negro we are talking about. ghetto trash usually won't tip whitey in my area.

I never tip. And because I don't like spit in my food I don't got to restaurants.

Tipping is retarded, it's like:
>Why don't you ever donate to charity, Anon?

I already pay 1000%+ of my fair share via taxes, forcefully, for all kinds of NEETs to live comfortably.

Plus, here in the UK you automatically tip 15%, why the fuck would having big tits entitle you to more of my hard earned shekels?

I'm surprised this isn't the standard opinion on /biz/, but U S A!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_tipping

>visiting restaurants while your a wagecuck
that's not very fiscally responsible.

>>1083024
I rarely go to restaurants.

And rarely the same ones. Unless they have a database of everyone who doesn't tip there's no way.

It seems like they're just too entitled. They think they deserve a big 15-20% tip JUST for bringing my food and taking my order, which they almost always mess up in some way, even this most basic task.


I genuinely don't understand why we tip people who are doing the easiest job in the world because they "deserve" it. And yet don't tip people like doctors, mailmen and police.

>>1082402
I was reading about working wage laws, apparently if a waiter can't make minimum wage through tips, it's their employer's responsibility to make up the difference.

So now I don't feel the slightest bit guilty about not tipping.

>>1083073
>the easiest job
confirmed for bait
fine dining waiter here. i average $25/ hour in tips. i am paid not just for delivering food, but for crafting a dining experience that exceeds my guests expectations. i pair cuisine and wine, and allow my guests to just relax and entertain clients, significant others, etc. i am worth every penny... as evidenced by my tip percentage which hovers around 20% and has done so for years. furthermore, i don't ever feel entitled to a gratuity; every new table must be wowed and receives my best effort.

>>1083096
OK well maybe you but the VAST VAST majority are lazy and do their job terribly yet still expect a tip.

For every good waiter there's a hundred super lazy ones.

Yeah I guess it's not literally doing nothing but compared to other jobs? You're getting paid ridiculously more. People work all day in factories and earn less than half of that.

British. Over here we don't tip as a rule.
Would you find it awkward going for a meal here and not tipping? Never ever tip a barman either, it's not expected.

>>1083122
I did it. And it was awkward but also liberating. Like peeing in the ocean.

>>1083124
I'm confused as to why it's only in America where tipping is expected. How did it manifest?
Over here it is the law for all workers to receive at least a minimum wage.

>>1083130
Jewish owners wanted an excuse to pay staff less and pass on the cost to the customer.

What about tipping the taxi driver, or the pizza delivery guy? Opinions?

>>1083143
>Tipping people for doing their job

WOW how kind of your taxi driver to drive you where you need to go in exchange for paying the fair!

>>1082402
it is a stupid tradition where it is expected as standard for normal service

however if you're eating where it has become standard then you kind of have to go along with it as the pricing of the food, wages paid to staff etc.. have been based on the assumption of a certain level of tips

>>1083095
My company will force me to sign a waiver saying I give them consent to take the difference out of my next paycheck, and if I don't sign it they give me shitty hours, so even then if we don't get ripped we are still fucked.

>>1083168
Report them

This is blatantly illegal

I tip if the service is beyond average, never if mediocre.

>>1083070
This goddammit, going to "nice" restaurants is basically a financial suicide if you are a low wage cuck

>>1083143
if there is some loose change for them to give me then I'll tell them to keep it, it isn't expected to tip them in the UK at least

taxi drivers are self employed anyway - it isn't like they're some immigrant working for taxi company on a low wage like some US cities... they're generally white, British, borderline racist, own their own cab and earn a decent income from it

>>1083159
Motherfuckers are so fucking uptight about it here in USA. They basically demand you their tip

>>1083198
I fucking swear man.

>Server drops a glass and breaks it in front of me
>Takes anhour to bring menus, another hour to take order
>Forgets some shit, comes back like 10 mins later
>Literally waits for her tip as if I'm suppose to subsidize her arts degree with my tips

>>1083177
when has that ever changed anything?

Hospitality manager here.
The tipping in the U.S.A (I worked there for two years) is ludicrous. Server don't do shit and take home more money than anyone else. They're entitled and lazy, wouldn't pick up a dirty plate " 'cause it's the busser's job."
And to the idiots who would lecture me about "the servers need the money for their studies/kids/whateverthefuck...", I say this "What about the busser? the food runner? the guys cleaning the dishes? the kitchen?" all those guyswork their ass off way more than the servers and get nothing (except runner 10% of tips, and bussers 5%) But the servers are white kids, that's why there are in the front and get tips, all the others are in the back and make less than half the pay of a server.

>>1083356
not anyone can make a customer happy but anyone can wash dishes
i mean, just take a look at this thread. people HATE servers and expect to be entitled to 2.13 an hour labor

>>1083182
same

I never tip except when I get superb service. Then I'll drop a $5 bill if I'm just getting coffee or something and $20 if I have a full meal.

>>1082404

I think you are mistaken anon, no servers on earth are making $60k.

My brother waits tables in Honolulu Hawaii and I think the top servers there are just cracking $50k.

Maybe if you are talking about bartenders $60k is possible.

Even still, waiting is hard work and you have to grovel at people's feet all day.

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>>1082402

Tipping should be eliminated. In most cases American restaurants use it as a tool to overstaff and get cheap labor while their servers aren't getting many tables. I much much prefer the European system. And I have worked under both models.

That being said, as a customer, if you go into a tipping style restaurant and you tip under 15% (when the service was good), then you need to walk face first into molten lava.

>>1082447

totes agree.

I tip all service industries when the worker meets my needs and is personable.

Mechanic, barber, etc...

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>>1083073

> waiting is easy

yep. Just like those dumb construction workers. getting up at 5am and hauling heavy objects all day sure is easy! I can't believe they get paid at all!

Now being an office manager, that is hard work!

>>1083143

I give delivery drivers 10%. I think that's fair considering their effort required.

So the average server makes under $15/hour
What most people don't know is that their taxes are calculated at 10% tip income.
So yes, they are guaranteed minimum, if you don't tip 10%, they actually have to pay taxes on money they didn't make assuming they made more than minimum wage.

So the shills have basically made 10% the break even mark. So if they suck, tipping nothing will probably indirectly hurt their wallets as well as directly.

Use this info wisely, boys.

>>1082402
I don't eat places I have to tip. I really don't eat out that much. I only eat out if I'm celebrating something or if I'm trying to fuck an ugly chick I met on tinder.

>>1083704
I don't know what the law where you live is but in canada the server can claim what ever percentage they want as tips, if they only want to claim 5% then that's all they have to claim. Sure they're SUPPOSED to claim the exact percentage they earned, but who's gonna make them?

>>1083686
Poor college student detected.

If you were good enough to have an internship, you would have one.

>>1083686
My point is compared to MOST jobs it is incredibly easy. It's one of the easiest jobs there is.

>Greet customer with a smile
>Take their order
>Bring a couple of plates and drinks
>Refill their drinks if they request it
>Bring them the bill after

And yet they demand a premium wage in the form of tips.

Nearly no other job does this. Construction workers lug around heavy shit and work in dirty conditions and servers get paid more.

>>1083736
Makes me want to become a server desu.

Just need to get that gay certification they require in Ontario

If ya can't beat em, join em. I could do with an additional part time job desu.

>>1083775

Nigger I have worked A LOT of jobs.

Waiting is not the worst, but it's pretty shit. It is hard work.

But hey you sound like you know a ton, especially considering that you have never fucking performed the job in question.

>>1083867
I've worked in kitchens though.

And then realized that while the cooks are working much harder than the servers, the servers get all the tips despite cooks actually making the food.

I know you're either trying to argue for arguments sake or you are someone who works a job that relies on tips but let's be real here.


The point is that Servers work is equal if not easier than many minimum wage jobs and yet they get paid more and feel entitled to tips. THRY NEVER EVEN DO THEIR JOB RIGHT

If anything we should be tipping the people who cook our food, rather than those that just bring two plates out lazily.

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>delivery fees are a thing
>delivery guys have to use their own car and gass to deliver food to you anyways
>it's not a tip, so you pay even more
>jews gets free money

>>1083878
This.

Tbh the worst part is that servers/deliveryfam get mad at the customer for not paying more rather than employer blatantly jewing them.

>>1082402

I'd rather the company pay the worker; they already overcharge for the food, anyway.

>>1082402
I only tip at asian massage parlors.

>>1084018
I just leave without paying, personally.

>>1082417
>refused number
Why, you didn't want to seem like you were paying her for sex?

>>1082402
i tip good services well, mediocre service poorly, and bad service will get none at all

if i frequent a place, i will usually tip well and often will get better service as a result

if a restaurant doesn't treat tipping like this it's probably a shit restaurant and the server probably has some worthless degree and student loans

>>1083962
Food is not very profitable to begin with.

>>1084059
How are you able to post?

>>1084085
Why wouldn't I be?

>>1083143

I tip the taxi drivers because if i dont they take fucking forever to come get me. I have a taxi guy who always races to get me wherever i am because i pay the fair and tip him the same amount

>>1084106

Tipping taxi drivers is common sense. They provide a service that beats the hell out of the alternative.

Cooking for yourself is generally preferable to most restaurants...and most restaurants fancy enough to be better than home cooking could care less if you tip as long as you pay your bill.

Going to a restaurant is already pissing away money, might as well be a casino. That said if I'm paying 6$ for a drink I can afford a few dollars for the tip. Mainly because it buys me points for the next time(ROI). Don't cheap out a few bucks on a 30+$ bill. It's a bad strategy.

That said servers are commonly useless and careless. I have had servers openly complain about other patrons within earshot of me. Pretty irresponsible. But I don't go to fancypants restaurants so there is a sampling bias element to this.

Ultimately though the food is usually pretty average; especially for the price. The more you cook the more you realize this. Also holy fucking salt.

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>>1082402

>go to restaurant with girlfriend
>hot, pretty or cute waitresses majority of the time
>always smiling, being super nice, social able and dressed attractive
>acting fake for that tip
>girlfriend spends the night point out how fake girls are
>her mood is rekted
>no point in going out
>to make her feel better I always pay and close to the amount
>waitresses assume I dont want the change and walk away
>after a while we sit and hang out
>later on the waitress returns asking when we'll leave
"as soon as we get our change back from the bill"
>receive 15 cents
>go home
>gf concentrates less on the waitresses appearance and more on how much she grubbed that change

I never would ever tip.in the first place

>>1084193
Nothing wrong with your girl pointing out when the servers are LEGITIMATELY acting fake, but if that happens and REKTS her mood, she has some underlying issues, dude.

Also, the way you described a waitress is what they should be, unless you for some reason want a 50 year old former hooker with saggy tits hanging low and a cig in her mouth.

>>1084248
>tfw usually go to all you can eat restaurant
>tfw it's actually pretty good even tho all u can eat
>tfw never tip

Feels good man. Lmao

Sometimes I even like to bring plastic container and put food from my plate in there LOL

>>1083356
Servers generally tip out the bussers. I was a bar manager for a long time. Servers are whiney and entitled but it is a very shitty job.

>>1084248

Yeah she does have issues, like I've had multiple partners before we dated and shes only been with me, also my ex popped in with in the first 2 weeks of our relationship. This girl drama was high school and I've been with this girl for 7 years now, no matter what I do she is still like this...anyways thanks to psychology I learned how to turn this little 'issue' into something I can benefit.

If you can't change it then count on it being a predictable and dependable variable. I think physics work the same way.

Also who here sometimes leave less money than the bill lmao?

>Tfw dine and dash and often give like $5-20 less

How's that for a tip niggers

>>1084276
lol, you actual nigger, you.

>>1084269
How do you use her insecurities to your advantage, other than evil manipulation to simply keep her, etc.?

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>>1084282
>lol, you actual nigger, you.

U mad restaurant fag?

>TFW I steal the pepper/salt shakers, the ketchup AND don't pay my bill

LOL

>TFW have literally stole a whole cutlery set and plates from a restaurant

>TFW cut the seats with a knife and put gum under the table and pushed thumbtacks into it so that if someone swipes their hand across it they get cut

LOL

U MAD RESTAURANT FAGS?

>>1084284
not really, anon, just the bantz and shit. Calm down, please.

Also impressive sticky fingers

>>1084284
Not a restaurant fgt but I pity your existence, whether youre trolling or not.

>>1084288
>>1084290
Feels good senpai.

>TFW frugal as fuck

I also like to take food from foodbanks for homeless fags, I tell them I have a child and my girlfriend is sick and can't work so they feel bad for me and let me have an entire backpack worth of food.

>>1084294
Frugal and cheap are not the same thing.

Frugal means you're a woman who buys the male razors because you're not a fucking moron.

Cheap mean you steal the razors, or bring in forty coupons to try to use at the same time when they say 1 COUPONS PER ITEM PER CUSTOMER PER TRANSACTION.

You are cheap, not frugal. Frugal is a fucking compliment.

>>1084303
What's wrong with taking frugal one step further?

Clipping coupons for 12 hours every Sunday saves you very little, whereas being a lil sneaky saves you a whole lot.

I literally have an entire cutlery set for free.

>>1084306
What's wrong with taking fat one step further, or taking 'diversity policies' one step further, or taking religion one step further?

Extremism is bad, nigger. Moderation in all things.

>>1084282

I was raised by a neglectful family. I was hospitalized at age 12 due to malnutrition and was a crown ward by 13. My mother was a 'victim' to my step father and she claimed he was evil. I remembered her beating me, she did it out of her own self interest, she lied to herself believing she was doing right but abusing me to please my step fathers abusive lifestyle.

Years later I contacted her and we sat for dinner. She denied everything to my face and was telling me "You were old enough to make your own choices, you always were old enough" I learned a valuable lesson that night.

I learned, no matter how bad I want her to slowly die alone and call me to her side so I can tell her how bad of a mother she is, I know the message will never reach her and she will only smile and lie to herself "that's my boy, stand up for yourself...good thing I taught you that"

Therefore sometimes people will feel a certain way about things no matter how much time you spend fixing it. Obviously using my gf's weakness against her benefits me...but she will still feel these things regardless of my presents or what I gain. I gain more if she didn't feel these things but until she matures, I can only stand by her side until time allows her to see pass that point.

No such thing as good or evil.

>>1084318
Damn bro that is some sophisticated thinking for biz. I am impressed and also feel solidarity because I too am a sociopath from my troubled upbringing. Not sure that it produces a net gain though, how is your social life?

>>1084316
Nah fuck restaurant fags

>>1084329

I don't keep anyone close, just me and my girlfriend (if she chooses to follow, which she does) other then that I couldn't count on anyone(no family either) to help me out, or even hang out for an afternoon. I can socialize but since I live in a shitty part of Ontario it is hard as balls to find work.

In my stare time when I'm not working a temp job I put majority of my effort programming. Still a noob but I was born to quickly grasp concepts. Basically if I don't have anything going for me in the next few years I'm pulling something drastic. But If I was born i the woods I'd already have a house and kids.

>>1082402
I really like tipping to go away. I've just had a good meal, a few drinks, you know what'd be perfect right now? A fucking math quiz. And I have to remember which jobs get what percentage. Am I suppose to tip for take out? How much? I don't even know. And I really don't care. You are just wasting my time.

Charge me whatever the hell amount of money you want. $100 for a bagel. Fine whatever. Put it right there on the bill and I will pay it. Can I go now?

I hate tipping because the system has been built that the owners can give a lower wage and they can make up the difference in tips but if they don't the company must foot the difference. Essentially, what was supposed to be given as a bonus for waiters and maids has become instead mostly part of their wage. Employers should pay for employees.

That doesn't mean I won't tip to a service that deserves it, but it'd be nice if my tip actually meant something rather than saving the establishment a dollar or two.

>>1084411

100% true

And the best part is, if you don't tip, YOU look like the asshole, not the owners that pay the waiters $3/hr. It wasn't always like that, but the owners made it the norm. Super scummy but respect the hustle

>>1084071
>Why, you didn't want to seem like you were paying her for sex?
Half and half. If I left a modest tip, I'd have taken it. But there would be no way for me to tell if I'd gotten the number due to the money or genuine interest in the case of a 3,000% tip. It also sets a tone that I'm not keen on. I'm fine with being generous, not so much with the expectation that I'm a meal ticket.

Refusing it hopefully taught her to value herself more. The insistence on giving me her number came from the belief that her services didn't warrant the money, and she wanted the exchange to be more fair. I believed they did. Look up the reciprocity principle in humans. We don't like to feel indebted. It's why you feel more comfortable doing a favor than asking for one.