ITT: We discuss the worst career fields.

>>1061019

investment banking

>90-100 hour work week
>deal with shitty people all day that treat you like dog shit
>make the same hourly wage as a mcdonalds employee
>first to be fired in a recession
>career comes to a dead end after 2 years if you don't spend 150k on an MBA from some bullshit ivy league school

>>1061019
One that you don't like.
It has nothing to do with labels.
Some people love long work weeks and others prefer 9-5, some prefer working for themself.
I know guys who prefer construction, retail, etc over trades jobs. Most people decide on money.

>>1061019
HR

>>1061019
Biologist.

>requires PhD + 5-10 years of postdoctoral experience to make 60-80k per year.
>Only skill learned is how to pipette fluids between different tubes.

Medicine

>4 years college
>4 years med school
>3 years residency making barely above minimum wage
>60 hours week average
>250k student loans
>Don't break even till mid 40s
>Best years of your life are your 50s-60s without staggering debt
>lose half hour shit when your wife leaves because all you can do is work

Do glad I got out of that shit while I still could

Factory work. Trust me. I've had two factory-like jobs. One was on a farm, and the other one was in a factory. In fact, the last job started at 8 in the morning, ended at 6 in the evening, and literally the only activity I did was pushed two buttons to stick a label on something. I did both jobs for exactly one day.

>>1061094
holy shit talk about soul crushing
two buttons? Couldn't that process have been automated?

>>1061096

They were in the process of 'making it leaner'.

In a way, I'm kind of glad I had those jobs, because now I know that your job must absolutely have variation. I mean, I'd rather have any minimum wage job like dilivering pizzas over monotonous, static work like that

>>1061096

My brother worked at machining factory for one week and all he did was tighten 6 bolts for 8 hours a day while standing up.

It was so mind numbing that not even $18/hr was worth it

>>1061044
this + basically any natural science work

If u dont work under some sort of possible nobel laureate or what you're up to the biggest cuckoldry in consumer society

I'm studying business analysis this year. Am I in for a bad time /biz/?

>>1061019
>>1061019
Teaching.
Particularly in the US state system

i code and want to kill myself, but at least it pays well. want to move into a more creative position so i don't feel like an editor/robot.

a lot of industries are crumbling - even the ones with greater sales. for instance, shipping/logistics is getting shittier. at the USPS, used to be that you could made a middle class income w/ great benefits and pension (probably too much t-b-h). now they hire schmucks who make $15 bucks and hour with no schedule/benefits/prospects of advancement, and even if they do advance they start at a salary tens of thousands of dollars less than what their predecessors make with about half the benefits. granted mail volume is down, but packages are up billions of units per year.

same with a lot of the other companies like fedex and ups. package volume and sales are way up, but the companies are providing fewer and fewer career positions and low low wages, higher turnover rate, more piece of shit employees. i don''t know why these companies think it's a good idea.

it's pretty crazy what the market used to be able to provide pension, medical, 401k on top of the competitive salary. most of the people i graduated with, it's a mixed bag of what they're given. just

poor management of resources when times were good has really fucked over the upcoming field of workers.

>>1061222
>living wage
>only work 75% of the year

I wish I had the foresight to be a fucking teacher. I even like kids.

it's really rare that a job is enjoyable

if it's a sales position, you're going to hate people. If it doesn't involve human interaction, you'll starve for it. If it's too easy it will be unfulfilling, if it's too hard, it will burn you out. If it's in front of a PC your eyes will fall out, if it's manual labor, you're going to wish you're white collar.

Basically there are so many things to hate about every job. You have to LOVE one aspect of the job to make the rest tolerable.

>>1061229
>teachers
>living wage

heh. if you're living like a cockroach, maybe.

>>1061028
Why do people hate investment banking so much? I had a PE teacher in my secondary school who made mad dosh then quit investment banking because he hated it.

comedian/musician/juggular etc

>>1061044
right, no biologist has learned eliza, cell based assays, chromotography, pcr, rt-pcr, electrophoresis, genetic engineering,

I agree with you somewhat. Everything about the job (hours, stability wages) is shit, but the job itself, my god, how wonderful it is.

>>1061237
It's a workaholic culture, from what I understand. Same as fields like politics. If you really love it, you won't care that you get paid relatively poorly and do nothing else with your life. If you value leisure, though, you'll hate it.

And aside from some faggots on this board, most people enjoy leisure.

>>1061241
How workaholic raising captial for investments?
Whose the guy who just trades stocks and grows portfolios?

>>1061255
A broker, CFP, etc.

>>1061237
you have to work extremely long hours in a extremely competitive and demanding culture and you are surrounded by psychopaths

Dank meme trading

>>1061019
Why was this haircut ever considered appropriate in the office?
For non-janitors, I mean.

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>>1061288
give her a break, shailene woodley had just portrayed a girl that had cancer

>>1061237
>quits IB
>becomes a PE teacher
He didn't quit friendo

>>1061222
In the inner cities and shit areas. My highschool teachers makes up to $70-80k after tenure, starting out at $55k average for the county.

Become a school admin? Easily 6 figures. That's the life you want

>>1061330

Correct. IB is like a pyramid, there are less people at each level and after a certain number of years at each level, they promote the top few and fire the rest. Because of this, there are tons of ex-IB people all over the place who claim they "quit to follow my dreams" or something similar.

Maybe that's true in a few cases. Not true for most of them.

>>1061102
Shit son, 18 bucks an hour? Just throw on headphones and listen to classic literature audiobooks

EMS

It is not uncommon for EMTs to get paid 10 an hour. Now, the educational barrier for entry is low, which I feel like is one of the justifications for low pay. Everyone in the field tries to become a paramedic because of this and in many areas their pay is starting to decrease due to saturation...EMTs are actually in demand but no one wants to work for the low pay.

The stress of the job is off the charts, the benefits are thin, you physically destroy yourself for next to no reward. You become mentally fucked from some of the shit you see. A lot of the private companies have extremely toxic work environments.

It is a field you truly have to love. Only certain types of people really truly thrive and can handle it, it can be an absolute blast at times though. But very scary when you are traveling 60 miles an hour in a thirty five priority one to the scene of a pediatric cardiac arrest. I still have a weird tic that I developed from the stress of the job when I was driving.

>>1061450

*doing it, not driving

>>1061403
I'd imagine that's strictly against OSHA protocol.

teology

Retail

>>1061229
Well in terms of elementary schools
>can't do anything in US anymore thanks to common core
>some teachers don't even do social studies anymore because everyone's ramming math and science requirements down kids throats
>literally no teacher in the world would recommend becoming one this day and age
>tfw your gf is becoming one anyways

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>1061233
That's why i went the physical therapy route :^)

It's literally compromise: the job.
You're much more active than physician or yknow desk job or something but you aren't doing hard labor either. You get to know your patients better than most people in the medical field cause they come regularly, and you don't have to try and push anything on them; just have SOME people skills and they're generally nice to you back.
Starting your own office up is kind of stressful and not as rewarding financially as a doctors office or something but yeah that's PT life. It's stil decent pay

>>1061096
>>1061094
I had almost the same experience, thing is most of the time because of local codes etc. its cheaper to hire woman/mexican/etc to do the 2 button push, then to automate it. Especially if you think to move your whole business in 5-10 years or you are closing the line in year or so.

>>1061226
Coding is tough if you work with morons. They're always screaming about problems even as they handcuff you from soliving any of them. Then it's off to make up some lies about your performance to deny you unemployment when the time comes.

I imagine it must sick for lousy coders too, living in fear of somebody competent getting past HR's defenses.

But it all comes down to criminally poor management either way.

>>1061238
What do you think is wonderful about it?

>>1061233

Agreed.

I've come to see that being a business owner is the best of things. It's your world, your life.

Thus I started a business 6 months ago.

So far okay.

wish me luck boys.

>>1061081
Basing this on my step-father's life, this is incredibly accurate.

>>1061222
In my Asian cunt teaching is great. Middle aged physics teacher earned 90k with bonus. Two and a half months of school holidays every year and you get to chill between classes.

>>1062958
I'd love to each in your cunt, anon.

>>1061226
Overpopulation is the cause, everything else is a symptom. If a virus comes along and kills off half the world in a day before disappearing it wouldn't even be a threat to humanity, we'd be back to the world population of 1965.

>>1061081
Agreed. Glad I got out too.

Still have the student loan debt, but at least I'm sane and my life is my own.

>>1061229
>living wage

Living above your parents garage maybe

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>tfw phlebotomist
>literally the person that takes blood, piss and fecal samples in medical lab
>basically like a trade job, except constant exposure to horrifying and lethal diseases
>low pay
>mfw

>>1061019
Tax accounting. Choose audit instead.
I'm serious.
I'm stressed while auditors are fucking around.

>>1063085
Thanks for the tip.

>>1061019

Gay porn fluffer as a straight male. That has to be pretty high up there on the shitlist.

>>1061237
The field is full of tryhards that watched wolf of wall street and fabricate drama to make their slave labour more interesting.

>>1061330
>>1061357
He was rolling in dough afterwards though. He drived a Mercedes to school in a country where they tax you several hundred percent for cars

>>1063260

Right - no one's saying they leave without making money beforehand. He could have been making $500k or $1m a year for 10 years and then been fired. That happens all the time.

Customer service. What I refer to as being a professional shit shield. Worst job ever.

>>1061327
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>>1061450
EMT stories?

I'm good at math and really love working with statistical data and such that most people consider boring. What field should I look at that most people avoid like the plague? What should I learn to do that will strengthen my skills and make me invaluable?

>>1061450
Britbong here. Are 'EMT's and 'EMS's American terms because I've never heard them used in the UK? What's the difference between them and a paramedic

>>1061288
What's wrong with it?

>>1063263
this

>>1063456
actuarial stuff, you can make MAD bank working for insurance companies

>>1061513
The worst part of teaching isn't even the kids or the government. It is dealing with parents who think their little shits are angels.

Also call center

>>1061229
>living wage
in highschool i had a car with a bluebook value of about 1300 dollars and all of my teachers were jealous of me. they don't make a living wage

>>1064088
no the worst part is apathy. at my highschool no one cared except the teachers. students skipped, administrators were never actually working, most of the time they would be too lazy to discipline kids even when they saw them doing something shitty. the guidance counselors were never even at school. the principal just jerked off in his office while the VP did his job for him.

teachers become teachers because they do care. when they realize no one else does it crushes their souls. the only teachers to thrive are ones that put in minimal effort and have a " i get summers off baby woohoo!!" attitude

Justice field
so fucking narrow- graduating this year with a crim-socio degree and don't want to be a lawyer or a cop so I don't know what to do.

>>1064426
what call center jobs are worth going into?
Ive been searching this past month and many are sketchy and used by bad businesses.

>>1061235
what a teachers wager where you are?
in Australia you can earn $60k+ straight out of uni with teaching degree.

>>1061237
From what I hear, it's somewhat manageable if you're a semi autist and have never had a serious gf and aren't making immediate plans to settle down
If you're trying to have a serious life and thinking about settling down in the next 10 years most people find it completely unbearable because you know what you're missing

>>1064664
I worked in a call center for a financial institution, which is one of the better call center jobs to have honestly. I only worked there for four months. It's easy to burn out.

It's also easy to get duped into a shitty call center job. I wouldn't recommend it. I seriously don't. Avoid outbound sales.

In the town in which I attended high school, Barclays is opening a major call center for their credit division I guess. That strikes me as a worthwhile job. If you can make it six months to a year, you can became a supervisor or a call monitor which is infinitely better. My boss didn't have a college degree and she made 80k as the call center manager. She was paid as much as a branch manager at the credit union I worked at.

It's really all up to you and what you think you can handle. I can't emphasize self-care enough. If you take anything away from my post, take this. Take care of yourself. Your good health supported by proper rest, proper nutrition, and proper exercise will determine your ability to keep and perform at your job, any job, but particularly a monotonous, stressful, volatile job such as a cell center associate.

If you have any other questions, let me know.

>>1064663
Private Investigator
Skip Tracer
Court paper server
Professor?
Security

>>1064769
professors what I'd like to but I don't know if masters and doctorate would be for me. I've been told such negative things- and a lot of negative things have happened in my life too, so I'm not sure what the next step is.

>>1062958
that abbreviation though

basically anything with a high learning curve that has a chance of being outsourced in the next decade or two

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Resource extraction industries are pretty shitty

>pay is good but you have to work long ass periods of time in the middle of nowhere
>drug addicts everywhere due to boredom/stress(mainly a problem in the oil industry)
>get laid off constantly
>most people are divorced because maintaining a family life is hard as fuck

Good for a single young guy though looking to finance further endeavors

>>1065000
This sounds perfect for me. Too bad oil is worth less than milk.

>>1064664
>what call center jobs are worth going into?
Government call centers, but they are hard to get in to. A high school buddy of mine gets paid $45k per year to answer questions about immigration issues. His agency is in DC but he works from home in the Carolinas full time.

>>1065066
Nice. Do tell more.

>>1065000
I work in the next level, steel. Except that most offices are in shit locations I earn a lot at entry level. Same as my friends at the Big 4 but shorter weeks. Industries that aren't "sexy" generally pay better at business level

>>1065113
Go on usajobs.gov and search for customer service rep. All service based agencies have some sort of call center. Off the top of my head USCIS (where my buddy works) IRS, USPTO and the Census are where you should look. The only problem, unlike a private sector call center, there is almost no turnover at those places because of easy money, government benefits and telework options.

>>1064662
>tfw teacher currently on the bus to work.
Shit man... I'll probably respond to this thread later when I get a chance to vent a little bit..

>>1062958
>Middle aged physics teacher earned bonus.
>In my Asian cunt

>>1061019

data science