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How hard it is to make a 10% return with a $5k capital in 3 months?
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not hard, just risky
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>>1046343
You can make that in a week trading stocks.
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>>1046376
Seriously, stop this meme. Throw away your money on stocks while knowing nothing about the market is a great way to lose everything. Day trading in general doesn't generate great returns. As a regular investor you should be more dividend focused in your market investments and worry less about stock price.
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>>1046346
>>1046376
>>1046379
I know Technical Analysis and have some experience in daytrading. I just need to achieve a great return in three months so I can be hired in a capital management firm.
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>>1046386
It's hard. People consider 10 percent annual returns to be the platinum standard. Doing this in 3 months would make you some kind of Warren Buffet.
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>>1046386
GXY:ASX, have fun
>10% in three days

if you need information, ask.
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>>1046379
Stop the dividend meme , youre better off holding ETF's and selling the profits
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>>1046379
>>1046376
These. People get the wrong idea because 85% of the time you'll easily make 1-5%, but you're also very likely to lose it all. I lost 95% of my investment doing this shit. Now I'm exclusively in low-risk, high-dividend stocks and even though I'm down 15% I've made at least 10% back in dividends and the chance I'll lose it all is pretty much 0.
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>>1046390
Managing $5k is not the same as managing $5B.
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>>1046396
The chance is pretty much zero if you shove it all in your mattress. You know there are savings accounts that give 1% interest right?
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>>1046401
There literally aren't though. Show me one example in the USA. The fed has artificially kept interest low for many years now, and if it does go up to 1% it would just mean inflation is going wild, like 10%+.
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>>1046406
Actually here's a cleaner link

https://www.ally.com
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>>1046343
Not that hard friend.
>>1046379
He's right, for people who don't lose money. kek.

>>1046386
TA only gets you so far friend. You need a more dynamic approach.

>>1046396

All of you can refer to pic related. I day traded penny stocks for that year. Suck it. The year before I started with 3k.
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>>1046391
If you have market experience, and feel you can contribute, we put together an investing discussion room,
Download kik, and create a username and post it here if interested
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>>1046414
Same goes to you
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>>1046427
While I'm good a penny stocks, I am not good at applying that to larger companies, much less macro events.

Excluding pure gambling wins on Wednesday at 10:59 on DWTI, my performance outside of pennyland has been less than satisfactory.
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If you don't know what you're doing, it will be impossible. If you know what you're doing, it's easy.

Here's the problem as I see it, and don't take this personally...

You're looking for ideas in order to get a job in capital management. I think this is backwards, you should be getting the job because you already know enough to have the idea.

Unless, of course, it's an internship and which point the whole idea is that they will be teaching you everything and just (for now), see if you have the spark to be worth the effort.

As far as "day trading" goes, it is a dangerous practice that most people can't do. However, "every other day trading" is workable.

(note... there is a specific legal definition of a 'day trader'. If you make an effort to specifically avoid classification as such, there are advantages)

As for me, I've been finding a niche in options trading. Had one this week, in @3:15 on Thursday, out at 10:30 on friday with a 40+% return.
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>>1046343
so easy it should be illegal, even the simplest strategies will guarantee you that (and you can add 1-30 leverage to that as you will)
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>>1046434
>I've been finding a niche in options trading
What is your overall performance in options?
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>>1046343
PUT IT ALL INTO ETFS
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>>1046432
That's fine. We're half beginners, so you can help and teach..
When our minds are together we get great results.
But up to you fella
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>>1046343
I turned $1800 into $8700 in the same timespan with stocks, just don't get greedy and know when to quit
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>>1046437

More gains than losses, and I'm getting better (feeling more comfortable overall).

My last 7 trades (and I'm going far back enough to show my one loss since I don't want to be an asshole who claims he's never lost money)...

<days held> - <total gain in trade>
17 days - 19.46%
4 days - 15.34%
7 days - 56.72% loss
24 days - 29.24%
7 days - 5.04%
1 day = 40.60%
7 days - 13.70%

The dollars aren't as high as many other people make because I'm working a cash account (I don't believe in borrowing money to trade).

However... I think it's the profit/loss percentage that matters in the long run, and I'm starting to get the hang of it.
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>>1046446
How about you, any interest in joining
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>>1046447

Joining what?
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>>1046450
A room where we discuss investing and trading on a daily basis, almost 50 members.
Basically we're making eachother money
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>>1046447
>>1046450

Never mind, just read the replies. I'll think about it.

But to be honest, my general investing/trading philosophy is far to conservative for most.
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>>1046451
>Basically we're making eachother money

How much shekels have you collectively made as a result of the group?
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>>1046447
narpthedolphin
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>>1046456
Not much as no ones putting much in yet, but the correct prediction rate is pretty great
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>>1046463
Could you invite me too?
mikeemcl

I'm much more of a long term trader though but I'd love to give more thought to day trading
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>>1046460
>>1046473
Done
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>>1046343
I've never done day trading but from what I have read, it is extremely difficult to beat the bigger, faster traders.

If you aren't smarter, faster or have inside info then you are instantly at a disadvantage.

But if you are an average 4chan NEET with functional aspergers syndrome then you may be in with a fighting chance.
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jesus, 10% 3 month just forget day trading. daily closing will be enough. even monthly closing you can get to that if you pick multiple stocks/commodities
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You can easily make 50-100% your return in one day trading put/call options. You can also lose all of it trading put/call options.

It's called "risk vs. reward".
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>>1046479
can you add me too pls?
pppettte
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>>1046564
>can you add me too pls?
>pppettte

Level of experience?
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>>1046583
not profitable yet but been trying seriously for a couple of months.
currently trying SPX
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>>1046398
>implying OP's problem in making money will be scalability of trading strategy
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>>1046520
Yep its so easy that phd quants working for investment banks just forget to place those same trades and make billions in risk-free profits.
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>>1046591
Sure homie, I'll get ya in
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>>1046446
>56% loss
good lord, what happened there
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you could literally do that in a day buying puts on $SPY tuesday
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>>1046607
Add me too.

Iamthatsomebody
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>>1046643
>>1046643
Level of experience?
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>>1046612

Took a bet on when $SWHC was going to fall. I was wrong by about 1 week.
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Now is an ideal time to invest in stocks.
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>>1046413
I've heard of this, any drawbacks versus a traditional bank?
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>>1046396
>i lost my shit cause i invested everything in oil thinking it was just a dip, so now i take very low risks

good job anon, way to research those stocks
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>>1046398
This.
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>>1046675
>checked chart
you rode it from 18 to 28? yeah that fucking hurts, be careful with the shorts in this market m8, these bubbley stocks get more volatility to the upside than on their way down. consider buying calls to hedge
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>>1046343
Whatever you read on this board, just remember that survivorship bias is a powerful thing and not only will people want to share their own success stories, but they can also be swayed to share the success stories of others.

[spoiler]It's a gamble.[/spoiler]
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>>1046343
Use options
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>>1046666
Smellyanus123
Dipped my toes is penny land.
Made about 300% in the past 3 months. (Mostly IGEX)
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>>1046728
Done
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>>1046424
I'd like to check it out. LuckyXK

Been trading for years but only now starting to come into real money and looking to make bigger moves. Most of my trades have been based on my knowledge of the tech sector since I follow that out of personal interest anyway. Things like NXP Semiconductor making me near 100% in a few months when NFC chips started getting put into cell phones.
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This is easy. I make 10-20% return with ETF's daily. I go in with $5-10K per day
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>>1046343
Go get a part time job at McDonalds.

Bam, $1800 in 3 months. Nearly quadruple your goal figure.
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>>1046343
Purchase VIX futures with 1 month timing, Purchase them very shortly, like within the next few days.

They've been spiking insanely.
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play poker
you can play at 200 or 300nl, though, if starting out, i would suggest microstakes online.

if you're good at reading people and have a high attention to detail, while also being more aware of yourself than other people are of themselves, then you should play live exclusively.

you can make that 10% gain in one night. (while there is a degree of losing that 10%, you utilize your roll to sustain unlucky hands like getting AA v KK or getting KK v AA, or AA v 72o and they runner runner on you)

i am my own investment vehicle.
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>>1046379

Lol, dividend paying stocks are for retirees or those approaching retirement and need to balance their portfolio to reduce risk...

There are plenty of strategies that can yield the 10% returns in 3 months...However, you will be taxed as a capital gain since you will not have held the position for at least a year. Secondly, you will charged for two trades. So in order to realize a net gain of 10% you will need to make upwards of $800.

Oh yeah, btw, im not knocking an early dividend play, but unless you are sitting on 6 figures, good luck doing anything with the distributions unless you are parlaying them into the stock in which case you are not in a true dividend stock and more of a growth blend.
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>>1046343
Right now? Doable. Just take advantage of market volatility, with inverse ETF's and bet against the market. Pick ETF's that have been trending up and ride them.

Next week is going to be a fucking shitshow so hold onto your assholes. Take advantage of Industrial getting fucked up as well if you decide not to bet against crude (if you want more reasonable but safe gains.
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>>1046790
teach me senpai
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etfs are shitty for short term compared to futures or cfds they often carry much wider spread. gold, eur/usd etfs etc you can get anything between 1-10x leverage with rather small spread but still too wide and slow instrument for shorter term compared to other leveraged instruments. leveraged etfs are handy when you trade few months, 2x-3x you can hold years tho
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>>1046803
In the long run dividends will always beat stock price. You don't need six figs, I have 5 invested in some good dividend paying stocks, which if I sold the stock it would be a tidy profit, but it's better to just keep them for the earnings. Even holding for 5 years will double my earnings.
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Christ, this is the most troll infested thread I've seen for weeks
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As a Brazilian, i could make 100% of profit in one day, i just had R$ 50 and in the second day i invested R$ 100 and got 100 of profit in the end of day, what did i to recovery and profit so fast? I sold water bottle, soda and coke (coca-cola) on the semaphore (traffic lights)
It really worked for me.
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>>1046844
what the fuck =D
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>>1046844
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usually divident paying stocks underperform during bull makets and overperform during decline. however atm divident paying stocks tend to be overpriced as so many people seek safety in them
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>>1046871
.03 cents a share earning on 2000 shares of a stock, means that in 5 years with earnings alone regardless of the stock price you will have earned 1200 that you don't have to pay capital gains on. If you reinvest your earnings back into the stock over the same period you're earning 1800 dollars on 2000 shares of a stock. Assuming you buy the stock at 6.80 a share (and I'm being very conservative with my projected returns) you will be fully compensated for the purchase in 9 years.
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>>1046879
That doesn't include the shares that you purchased after the first 5 years of reinvestment. That's only the return for the initial investment of 2000 shares and the reinvestment of the dividends. Everything beyond 5 years is just gravy on top. That's really, a nothing period of time.
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>>1046386
>I know Technical Analysis and have some experience in daytrading. I just need to achieve a great return in three months so I can be hired in a capital management firm.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA

HAAAAAAAAA

jesus christ. there's a reason why there are so few intelligent people here. it's basically charity being here
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>>1046873
>>1046875
We're also not in a bull market anymore. So you can show me bull market graphs all you want it doesn't change the facts. Those charts don't demonstrate reinvested earnings.
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>>1046758
Options and futures.
Kik: Scei
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>>1046386

>I know Technical Analysis and have some experience in daytrading. I just need to achieve a great return in three months so I can be hired in a capital management firm.
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>>1046390
Yeah retard if they know your dumping a substantial amount they are going to lower share price
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>>1046343
easy but there is a chance of losing everything so your long term prospects are not good
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>>1046386
Heres what you do

1. Borrow 10k from a bank or a friend
2. Invest 5k in the riskiest asset or industry you can find
3. Do the same with the other two bundles of 5k (diff industries ofc)
4. One of the 3 will profit, the other two will statistically lose all 5k
5. Hide the losses from your boss, show the marvelous winner
6. Use your 1st year salary to pay off your loan

This is literally a technique people use to trick normal people into buying into their overpriced wealth management portfolios
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>>1048102
Who are you talking to? Go get some knee pads and mouth wash. That's the only way you're ever going to make money.
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>>1046346
Pretty much this. I opened my brokerage account in mid June and closed out the year 23.5 %. not bad for 6 months, and while I came out ok shit got pretty dicey during the august correction. And with the recent bed shitting I'm on the ropes again. Now, I am fairly confident that I'm going to swing out of it just find and a few months from now be 15 or 20 points up again, but the risks that you take to make that fast money are very sensative to sharp drops. You will notice that usually the ups are slow and the downs are fast.
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>>1046343
I can do double that in a day.
TVIX.
You're welcome.
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