I was going to start a blog on Patreon, only to discover this when I was reading the fine print:
>Intellectual Property Rights
All text, graphics, editorial content, data, formatting, graphs, designs, HTML, look and feel, photographs, music, sounds, images, software, videos, designs, typefaces and other content (collectively "Proprietary Material") that Users see or read through the Service is owned by Patreon.com, excluding User Generated Content that Patreon.com has the right to use.
...which I interpret to mean is 'we own your work, you work for us, and you only get money if you can find third-parties to pay your salary'.
Any alternatives for ongoing crowdsourcing (as in, not Kickstarter, not one lump sum) that don't have this type of copyright-harvesting policy?
Before you jump to that conclusion I would check their definition of "User Generated Content that Patreon.com has the right to use" because you could fall under that category
As an alternative, many listener-supported podcasts use a regular shopping cart to set up a subscription service for donors. Basically every month their credit card is billed for $5 or whatever.
That is a fair criticism, I was not really sure what User Generated Content meant, and now that I've read through again, I am still not.
It's the 11th heading as far as I can tell. If you or anyone else can make more sense of it than I can, I'd appreciate it.
I've heard of people doing Paypal tip jar type set-ups, but those never seem terribly profitable... before I go down that route anyway, I'd like to know for certain that Patreon is not an option for me.
My guess is that User Generated Content simply means 'my registration info when I sign up to Patreon'. Can anyone support this definition? It sounds like it's just a serpentine rewording of the usual 'we will not share your personal information with any third party except with your permission' kind of thing.
My interpretation is that it includes your work as well, but this paragraph may be a concenrn:
You hereby grant Patreon.com a non-exclusive, worldwide, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicensable (through multiple tiers) right to exercise all copyright, publicity rights, and any other rights you have in Your Information, in any media now known or not currently known in order to perform and improve upon the Service.
Basically you still own it, but they can do whatever they want with it forever.
Just for the record I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.
It just strikes a chord with me very deeply to know that someone is trying to parasitize my work. I might do some throwaway for Patreon, but what I really wanted to do, I think I have to look elsewhere, brehbrew.
Yeah, it doesn't sit well with me.
What are my practical alternatives for funding? Any ideas? There must be something better out there than Paypal.
Patreon seems like agood idea until you realize they want your social security number for tax purposes, and the place got hacked already.
I'd rather setup something else that people can use their credit card or something. how do I do this?
Seriously? Your SSN? What if you're not American?
According to the first responder to the thread, I guess you can set up a kind of e-shop with a renewing subscription. I am not sure how you would get that up and running though.