was 9/11 really an inside job? Its hard to believe anyone these days so can people present actual facts on why or why not its true?
Jet fuel can not melt the beams within the building, BUT they can precipitate certain compounds in the metal out so that the integrity of the metal is compromised. Then under the high heat and pressure of its self, it can in fact collapse.
Inside job, no.
Deliberately allowed to happen? Maybe.
Caused by American foreign policy? Undeniable
Steel beams and missing planes and controlled demolition? No fucking way.
Do research on conapiracy theories. Not specific ones, but the concept itself. Once you see the similarities in both how conspiracy theories form and the kinda of people who believe them, you'll be able to spot them from a mile away.
-Vaccines cause autism
-Fluoride in the water is about population control
-Coke eats through metal
-bush ordered 9/11
The Bad Guy:
A government or agency that has far-reaching power
"I am being lied to"
"I am a victim of malicious acts"
"I have no control over what happens to me"
The Good Guy:
An ambiguous and disrespected "little guy" or "grass roots group"
David found out Goliath was doing something bad, so Goliath killed David to hide his sins
Conspiracy theorists are delusional and rely entirely on straw-man arguments and conjecture. If A equals B and B equals C, then A causes C. It's almost never true, but it's a common "hack" in thought processes and even smart people who deny conspiracy theories are susceptible to being misdirected and misinformed.
Most interesting thing here is not the fact that 9/11 was done by Americans.
Planes really hit buildings and people died...
But people giving wrong questions...
Government is not afraid if Americans blame them for killing thousands. They are not speaking about 9/11 cause then they have to admit that every skyscraper have "best fall scenario" procedure.
If high building with thousands of tones of steel and concrete will fall on a side much more people will die and damage to property would be uncountable, so every tall building have build-in demolition system. When threat that building will collapse occur (like 9/11), building is destroyed to collapse on it's foundation.
Why people hide it? Would you live or work in skyscraper if you know you would be sacrificed? Thats why muricans can't let mass panic happen...
mfw some retards actually believe this
>Was it a terrorist attack?
>did "we" have intel proving it was going to take place?
>did we do anything about it?
depends on what politician you ask
>were the towers "called"?
Yes, all buildings over a set height have demo charges built into them.
>did they try to cover up that there were demo charges?
TL;DR: the attack was not an inside job but the towers falling was.
There is no way of telling how long the towers would have stood or if they would have fell at all.
Are you asking whether or not 2 commercial aircraft were really hijacked, flown into the WTC buildings, and whether that act was perpetrated by Islamic fundamentalists? The answer is yes, that really happened.
There was no dynamite planted inside the building, no explosive charges; the planes weren't holograms; the steel didn't need to melt completely in order to be compromised and lose its structural integrity; etc. etc. etc.
So, no, 9/11 was not an "inside job" -- at least not in those respects.
Now did our government know or should they have known that an attack was imminent, fail to act, and contribute to the attack's overall success in THAT respect? Perhaps. Maybe. Likely, even.
But that's not what I would consider to be an "inside job," just good old fashioned bureaucratic incompetence.
>Ask 30+ year Olds that were in Manhattan that day
And this will clear up any doubts that exist?
The towers falling how they did proves it was demolition. The towers wouldn't have fallen into themselves if the top of the towers were the only compromised parts. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Unless it's the twin towers of course. Because ya know. 150 stories of concrete can just collapse to the ground from the weight of 15 stories.
yea at the temperature of that fire steel only loses 70-90% of its strength, Now add massive weight of the building on top, and the loss of integrity and walla u have the trade center collapses
Because all fires and construction methods are interchangeable. Fuck off idiot.
An aircraft full of thousands of pounds JP-8 is like a flammable water balloon and perfect for dispersing the liquid into a steel frame structure. Only the engine cores and landing gear are especially dense.
Your stupidity amazes me. I seriously can't stop laughing at you. Which us good because I'm taking a shit. And laughing pushes it out faster. Congrats. You helped an anon take a shit today. Be proud of yourself.
Agreed with everything else you wrote, buttt...
>Yes, all buildings over a set height have demo charges built into them.
You know that's bullshit, right? That would be such an unbelievable, enormous liability, and the explosives would no doubt degrade over time to the point of uselessness anyway.
>shows compelling points that the towers could collapse with such damage
>refuses to acknowledge the inconvenient fact that it is impossible for them both to collapse in such a controlled manner with out demo charges
>thinking that all fires and buildings are the same and thus completely interchangeable
I think realistically, 9/11 conspiracy theories are just a way of coping with the tragedy itself. It's easy to believe in a grand conspiracy, than the harsh truth that a bunch of camel fuckers boarded a plane with box cutters.
Please teach my oh wise one, what does it mean?
>Grad A total bullshit
That is grade A bull shit.
I haven't the slightest idea what he meant by "pull it" but I can tell you that it's not a demolition term.
Maybe ol' Jewish Larry Silverstein wants you to pull his finger ? Pull it.
>plane crash can reduce a fucking skyscraper to a pile of dust
Honestly, if I had to bet, I'd imagine that he was talking about the fire brigade and their efforts -- "pull it!" -- as in, "pull your men and fire trucks back; pull the plug on this endeavor"
This assumes that there's no such thing as a conspiracy, which history proves over and over again is not the case. The similarities that you cite among conspiracy theories are also common among actual historical conspiracies. According to your premise this would be impossible. It must be comforting to believe that, although rulers and governments have routinely proven to be corruptable in literally every period of human history, the present age is exempt. My question is how did we get to the point where no one would do such horrible things and everyone is basically a good person? Is it "because Murica" or something else?
If you still believe the gubmint narrative you might be a redneck
I'm not a conspiritard but that is a weak ass argument right there. Eyewitnesses may remember the event, but they sure as hell have no actual knowledge of the motivations for it or who was involved, or what else was going on behind the scenes
Watch "Fahrenheit 9/11" it's a documentary (best selling doc of all time) that explains in detail why the Bush family wanted to invade Iraq so badly, and also Dick Cheney's investments in Halliburton (an oil pipe line company).
>continues to not post any evidence, only opinions
WTX 7 was build uniquely over/ on top as in over very old existing part of important infrastructure if i rember correctly a water or electrical building. You usually don't see buildings build around and over buildings so it not going to behave like a normal building
There are tons and tons of facts that taken indvidually are making the mainstream accounts highly unlikely but when you put them together the official story is absolutly impossible.
There is too much to go on about but about 2 hours of research on youtube could convince anyone.
There is one thing that though that doesn't prove anything but that allows this great masquerade to happen, it's the aggressive behaviour of most people against anyone who questions the official story. If you say something is fishy on a social media or anywhere you will immediatly be called a twoofer and be laughed upon. Very aggressively. Which is a normal reaction I guess.
I don't believe in the conspiracy but one thing I don't get, if someone tried to hijack a plane I was on, with cardboard cutters, wouldn't everyone just attack them? Well, at least the men
Here's how I look at it, if it was an inside job it would have required hundreds of people to keep their mouths shut. Do you really think that would happen? 15 years later and no one has come forth with the claim of being a part of the plot. The President can't even get his dick sucked by a fat intern without the world finding out about it.
But if he really did "admit" to demolishing the building(s) then why would they put it on TV? That makes no sense. Reading your link, from what I can tell this goon is just trying his damnedest to contort the term "pull it" into being a demo term.
You believe what you want to believe or what they want you to believe. Off by one OP. Youre not quite enlightened yet
That was a gigantic cover-up of 9/11 for tptb. Moore is an useful idiot. That movie became what people remember about 9/11 not the mountain of information proving government foreknowledge and involvement.
Well if Trump keeps listening to Alex Jones we might get to see the "MISSING 28 PAGES" of the report. Just more fuel for the conspiracy fire, will it melt the beams? Guess we'll never know.
Holy fuck, this thread. It's like listening to fry cooks (the conspiracy theorists) discussing mechanical engineering and metallurgy. I hope none of the kooks in this thread attended college, you should really demand your money back.
pull it =/= pull it over
And, at any rate, a quick Google search for the term and it's role in demolition nomenclature brings up at least 2 pages of a while lot of demolition experts scratching their heads saying they've never heard the term before
Please anyone tell me what are these at 1:56 if they are not synched explosions EXACTLY when WTC 2 is hit.
Agreed. I don't believe anything anyone says without scientific evidence. Since both sides of the argument do not provide solid evidence, I do not believe any of them. All I know is that two plans crashed into the two world trade centers. Those buildings were once there, and now they are not.
I don't know what it means, so it's not my responsibility to prove anything.
You're the one making the claim here and all you've posted is one incredibly flimsy "source" that, frankly, doesn't prove anything. It's entirely speculative.
and yet we supposed to be leave wack jobs conspiracy nuts. That same kind of people that say aliens traveled light years to get here just to probe their anus . people who coat their walls and rooms with aluminum foil kind of people...
if you have it, don't be a prick, just post it.
I recommend checking out this guy on youtube. Takes you through each claim maid by truthers and pretty thoroughly debunks most of them...
Definately being lied to. Proven fact, no discussion about that. The main concern of the first truthers, was the completely faked and blatent lies in the 9/11 commision report about the collapse. How people argue against those facts is to ignore any evidence or debate of the actual report and instead point to the behavior and arguments of the "new truthers" the media reports. These "new truthers" are just as dumb and rediculous as the media portrayed "feminists". The people with real arguments now have to explain the retards agenda(which is always rediculous) and if they manage to stay on point and reference actual evidence they are taken off the air asap and immediatley villified.
>Do research on conapiracy theories. Not specific ones, but the concept itself. Once you see the similarities in both how conspiracy theories form and the kinda of people who believe them, you'll be able to spot them from a mile away.
>-Vaccines cause autism
>-Fluoride in the water is about population control
If there is any proof on contrary than you have your answer already.
If there is any doubt the planes caused the collapse, then you're left with only one question.
Why was there bombs planted in the building.
Quite frankly the evidence IS there.
Maybe you haven't looked for it, but all the reports by the people on scene were in favor of a demolition.
In this case to dismiss the argument simply because the government's facts doesn't agree with it would be stupid.
They're the guys writing the history books, of course it's in their favor.
Evidence for cause and probability doesn't solely lie upon the scientific how, that's going to be muddied simply because they own those who report this stuff.
Think about the WHY and you'll find a whole fuck load of reasons.
I have thought about this too, maybe it was a safety mechanism? Why would a building be allowed to fall onto a street filled with thousands more people?
Don't give a fuck, I think this is a credible theory.
Even with the tiniest bit of thought most conspiracy theories fall short usually in the "proving the theory" part.
Its more like conspiracy nuts just love a good story. They just cant tell fantasy from reality.
Good Bit: Try to find a conspiracy nut who is a nut over only one theory. Cant do it. If they think 9/11 was an inside job they also tend to believe in aliens visiting us and us never going to the moon (ironic) and that J.F.K was ALSO an inside job. Its just funny.
Facts don't matter to those people because the media perpetuates the official story and they are the sort of people that have undying trust for the media, yet manage scepticism for everything else. Also, they like to pretend to be educated when really they are just quoting CNN.
Kek so what? Am I supposed to match your shitty sources with a few of my own? K...
Larry Silverstein actually clarified what he meant when he said "pull it" and he was referring to the firefighters and their effort.
THe fact that you would choose this picture...yes. It totally was cut...after the building fell. THis picture has been debunked so many times...
Now you arent a theorist right...? Yeah, I didnt think it was that easy either. But that seems like thats all it takes to convince you people...
That's not even close to a good enough answer dude.
Even a bitch, if their life was going to end anyways would attempt to fight back.
You got 100+ people on two planes and not a single person tried to fight back? That's hard to believe
Shockwave for a plane hit for WTC 2 was really powerful, it did manager to shake WTC 1 just a little to get some dust on the air.
Sorry for not my perfect english, just a littlebit drunk atm.
Acceptable losses. Collateral damage. I can't believe that people find it hard to believe that part of the story. Many people are callous and would sacrifice people to further an agenda. Is that what happened? I have no fucking clue, but to find it unimaginable is absolutely ridiculous.
Hey "new truther". Where did you get the information that no one fought back? It would be pretty easy for them to get control of the plane. The pilots cabin is nearly impossible to get into if its locked from the inside. Once they had control of the box it was game over. But thats without getting into the scramble delay of fighters.
You're right. That's a comma splice. But a semicolon would have been a poor choice also. The ideas expressed in those two independent clauses aren't closely related enough to warrant using a semicolon. A period would have done just fine.
A little dust from very precise points. Going outwards. Well there is always this nigger right here at 00:58:
>takes as long to respond as it would take to consult mla handbook
Let out the magic bowlll theory and this documentary has some pretty valid points. It's only one of many.
This post is horse shit and is an ad hominem argument directed at 'conspiracy theorists'.
A label now seen to refer to 'crazy and delusional people' who put forth any such theorys on events contradictory to the offical story.
>Steel beams and missing planes and controlled demolition? No fucking way.
No fucking way? On what are you basing that 3 word argument on?
The argument *for* controlled demolition has more evidence and support from proffesionals than the pancake collapse bullshit put forth, which cannot happen.
Newtons 3rd law: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
Pancake collapse cannot allow freefall, or ver very near to speeds of collapse.
If you watch the way the towers collapse it's obvious enough. Notice they basically fall straight down and not to the sides. This is much more characteristic of demolitions charges than of any damage from impacts.
Hey how you choose to get your jollies is no business of mine.
Me? I like to flush the toilet mid-stream in a race to finish peeing before the toilet can finish flushing. I usually lose, and so I just pull it. Know what I mean?
Ever heard of Tube in Tube construction?
Watch a video, any video, of a skyscraper being built. You should understand why "but they fell strait down!" is a false argument.
... Or you won't, I can say I really give a damn.
Exactly, anyone can see for himself. Just like the fucking synched explosions (1:56)
But at some point you have to even consider the fact that the offical account might be a lie and that's something not many people are ready to do.
And the goverment can count on that to get away with that and much more.
That was my only post in this thread, he doesn't know where it came from, nor can he prove any of those pictures were even taken at the site, and I have to prove what exactly? He made his assertion with his picture, and I need to validate what he said? Are you retarded anon?
I don't think it's really going out on limb to say that you're clearly the retarded one here. Basis? You asserted that his pic was fake and then claimed that the burden of proof was on him. It was your assertion that the pic was fake and this your responsibility to prove that that was the case. Eat a bag of dicks, comrade.
I remember the day, I looked at mom in confusion and asked her why they demolished the buildings after the planes hit them, since they looked pretty intact
The meme (that it was foreign terrorists that brought down the towers in an attack) didn't affect me at all. All I saw was that it seemed so silly to demolish the entire building just because of some broken windows
I played SimCity2000 and Anno1602 at the time, demolishing buildings when they were on fire was my natural response, but I highly doubted it would be worth for a building of such scale
9/11 was the plan all along. Dolly Madison has in her possession a collection of letters from previous first ladies where it clearly demonstrates that both Thomas Jefferson and John Quincey Adams had both taken stabs at refining the plan. Its all a matter of recorded history. But the willfully blind will never see, I suppose.
Guh. Unfortunately, you're right.
All my friends genuinely believe 9/11 was an inside job. And I was talking to a guy the other day about it who was sort of half-listening to me when I said that I thought that anyone who believed the 9/11 conspiracy theory was retarded. "Yeah I think it was an inside job too," he said.
Seriously, there's a lot of you guys. It's fucking sad, actually, and depressing. Not the questioning authority part of it. That part of it is fine. Just the hanging onto every shred of flimsy "evidence" for conspiracy and thinking you're so in-the-know and it's everyone else who cannot think critically and are sheep.
Go watch the pilot episode of the "X-Files" spin off series "The lone gunmen" and be stunned.
They pretty much predicted 9/11 half a year before it happened.
I'll freely admit that I have no idea what happened. Yeah, some of it looks funny to me, but I'm intelligent enough to know the limits of my knowledge, which does not extend into metallurgy or engineering. I'm also intelligent enough to have a healthy amount of cynicism about world leaders and their prioritization of interests. But, yeah, I wasn't there and don't what happened for sure.
I hear ya, man, and I feel the same way, believe it or not. I'm not an engineer, architect or metallurgist, so I can't speak as an authority on those subjects.
But we can consult well-respected engineers, architects, and metallurgists I'm order to get their input.
The conspiracy theorists claim to have expert testimonials but they don't. It's always some no-name "expert" posting in the comments section of a 9/11 conspiracy blog somewhere that they refer to or they refer to a couple of petitions that were floating around supposedly signed by experts.
I think it was Popular Mechanics that actually assembled experts in construction, architecture, engineering, demolition, etc etc etc
And they went through all of the conspiracy theory "evidence" and debunked each one. It was really, really well done.
I weigh that in terms of what I choose to believe, and, as far as I'm concerned...no conspiracy here.
OP, we can't know for sure what happend, maybe there is someone in goverment to blame, maybe someone knew, maybe just some terrorist did the craziest and in some way impressive stunt.
So see at it like Schroedingers Cat. It has in history different story, acording to who you believe, till there is real evidence. It is healthy to think this way in most of modern history.
I personally schroedingers-cat the shit out of modern histroy.
Yeah, I pretty much distrust the government and media and industry and pretty much everything else that exists to make money from keeping me complacent. However, I have to do an eyeroll when specifics start rolling out. "Bill Clinton, Bilderbergers, Bohemian Grove, Trilateral Commission, yadayada."
Because the unlikelyhood that so many details are that readily available to some schmuck on the internet, quickly begins to outweigh the unlikelyhood of the original scenario that was supposedly "so obviously a cover-up."
Even more ad hominem.
Gratz attacking the peopl, not the arguments...again.
>people who coat their walls and rooms with aluminum foil
Lol, "attacking the people"? They have mental instability, that they seek no help for and their conspiracy buddies just drag them further down the rabbit hole.
I have my own problems to deal with, and I do deal with them. And odds are my problems are much bigger then yours or theirs. I dont have time for crazed theorists. Especially if they dont want help themselves.
All those terms, phrases and buzzwords if you want to call them that are derogatory.
Generalizing =/= derogatory comments like 'wack jobs'
I was pointing out that certain posters here are just using ad hominem, to divert attention and disscussion away from anything usefull about the actual events.
>"The plane is 50 Miles out... 30 Miles out... 10 miles out".
>"Do the orders still stand?"
>"Of course". -Dick Cheney.
/you in this thread.
>attacking people no the argument
>'They have mental instability'
they do? all of them? what proof are you offering?.
...none at all, yet MORE ad hominem.
Why not contribute to the disscusion about the collapse. i.e. Newtons 3rd law means it could not have been a natural collapse.
There's a couple great documentaries on youtube about both sides of the story of that day. After watching many, I seem it pick the facts in this one here. It just seems to make the most sense on what happened that day.
>Caption: Select all the plane images.
then we read this reply
was there anything of use in that reply? no? no..
it was just pointing fun at A: the fact you went to look into things, and B: you used youtube for some of it (so fucking what). many of the documentories on YT about 9/11 list sources you can check for yourselves, the video / docu just helps condense peoples research into one video.
why not put forth something of worth to the disscussion?
Conspiracy theorists are the biggest bunch of pussies imaginable.
Your forefathers went to wat with Mother England over a fucking tax of tea!
You have the 2nd amendment.
If you really believe that the rightfully elected government brutalised its own people, why haven't you taken up arms and stormed Washington yet?
Bunch of feckless knob-jockies. Go back to watching X-Files... there is no spoone....
Timestamp doesnt work on /b/. Skip to 16:50.
People are forgetting no plane hit the pentagon on 9/11
Our forefathers went to war with England over central reserving banking, which creates all fiat currency with bonds as a form of debt. This is economic slavery.
The 2nd amendment is there as a check and balance in democracy to deter corruption in our own government as well as foreign invasion. (how are those kebabs treating u m8)
We do believe this, but you're asking us to destroy democracy and our current culture and way of life. Is it at that point yet? We have cheaper oil as a result, and you have all of the muslim kebab invaders ;)
I believe that it was done as an inside job, blamed on the Muslim "extremists" in the middle East, all as a desperate attempt to get the american people to want and believe we need a military presence over there, but it's all just for oil
Despite all of this, 9/11 is a big of enough tragedy that will one day turn into a love story just like the Titanic. Marc my words.
>Your forefathers went to wat with Mother England over a fucking tax of tea!
it was a little more than that. they went to war because england was beggining to deny the rights of colonies to self govern and was stationing troops
The shit that has gone down in the last 20 years is really suspicious. America might not be the main entity controlling it all but a powerful group.... However if you look at false flags created by the US gov to provoke war in the past its not hard to beleive they had either knowledge it was going to happen and used it to there advantage. Or they or a group involved did it to provoke the last decade of war and resource control in the middle east. Main goal was to share resources with isreal,saudi and US, also hurting europe at the same time.
Thats because most conspiracy theorists dont believe everything the news puts out to them. Like even right now i live in new zealand and every single one of our channels just got brought out by the fucking isreali company who owns all of fox etc and they already are shutting down shows that bring to light some things that the government in new zealand does that are shaddy and that need attention to. IF you are stupid enough to believe anything because its written in the books just remember history is written by the ones who win the war. If hitler won our opinion on everything today would be different and our knowledge of what happened would also be different. Same thing applies to our knowledge of ww2 from the allied side.
I recon the jews have been behind everything... or a powerful group of zionists at least. With hitler on the gassings (read up about the 6 million jews and palestine in 1920s-the war) Also have started this whole war in the middle east by using a false flag to gain control over resources and use immigrants to cripple europe.(written around the 70s that you could win a war in europe with only immigrants) Also they own nearly all the fucking corps running the show atm. Either way im not certain but its what i likely to be true. Its not about being crazy its about not trusting in something just because fox told you or a book told you unless you have some sort of evidence.
it wasnt technicaly an inside job there was bombs planted or steel beams cut or any of that bullshit but it definitley was organized between the United states government and the "terrorists" as to recreate pearl harbor in order to finish the war the frist bush started and basically all in all to make a shit load of cash through war revenue so no it wasnt an inside job but an organized demolition
>mfw conspiritards can't accept that angry dune coons following their holy book acted alone
>Oswald killed JFK
>There are no aliens at Roswell, Area 51, etc.
>Jews do not have the capacity to control the government or the world
"All right guys here's a plan to make a lot of money! First, we're going to demolish the very heart of New York City's financial district. Then we're going to blame it on a few Muslims in order to start a huge war in the Middle East that will cost nearly 2 trillion dollars. And then! And THEN! We'll take their oil!"
>Eyewitnesses may remember the event, but they sure as hell have no actual knowledge of the motivations for it
Ethnic muslims who wanted US bases removed from land they saw as holy? People who grew up with the repercussions of political boundaries and governments drawn up and maintained by Western powers who want them to fuck off?
>oh but the people who aren't underage fags just don't get it
My point, is...
How can 10 of those stories, turn the entire foundation under it into dust?
It wasn't an inside job. Someone would have leaked already. Anyone saying otherwise is just looking to far into the even that happened. Something involving that many people always have 1 person willing to spill. We as humans aren't evil but we are forced to be. You never get anywhere being the good guy, but if it Truely was an inside job, you really think no one would have talked already? People feel guilt and to keep something on this level a secret either cost people billions of dollars, kill squeelers which would bring attention to non "inside job" people and just be a hassle. Did our government want us to invade iraq? Yes was everything an inside job? No. Maybe some it happened for real like the twin towers but then to push Americans over board we had to stage the Pentagon and Pennsylvania field to make a great story hit home even more. But for everyone this is my OPINION. maybe we did plan it on our selves and maybe the government did do it, but the government has elected officials that are there to do the right thing for the people which they serve. Money greed or just power, who knows and we never may find out for 25 years but if it was planned, from the inside then the America we know would fall, cease to exsist
Yeah, I've heard of gravity... You've clearly never heard of physics though.