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>>663499020 STIMULATION OF BODY-MOVING/LIKE-SENSE SINCE OF ELECTRICITY OF CAUSED OF IN OF BODY SINCE 1. tiny metals in human 2. metals moved since of energies striked/hitting metals 3. energies sent/from machine far of miles.
>>663500056 Were also rulers of the earth and we have cognitive thinking skills. Plenty of animals don t even feel real pain, it's called "nociception." Just the body reacting to harmful stimuli to keep out of danger. You could argue that [pain does the same thing, because that's why we feel pain, but they're completely different.
everyone seems to forget the most important thing here, animals are tasty as fuck and too weak to defend them selves, if humans where also tasty as fuck and too weak to defend them selves we would be eating them as well.
Hundreds of Thousands of years, man has eaten flesh. some eventually discovered fire, so they can eat more flesh and get more protein out of it. these guys developed a bigger brain, developed ideas of keeping stock and thinking of new hunting weapons. this is our nature, this is natural. eating flesh is why we are here today, this is why we developed societies. this evolution is why we can feed people proteins without flesh. you fucking vegans only exist because your ancestors were eating flesh. if you choose to be unnatural, fine. fuck off
>>663500174 So, if you are OP, your comic makes no sense, since it IS implying that killing humans and animals is on the same level
As for the rest, you are implying that eating animals is something we would do only because we "have" to. That's not the case. I eat animals because they're delicious, because one's health is better WITH the nutrients that meat provides rather than without and because I don't give a fuck about chickens and cows, it's not like they would achieve anything if left to themselves. It's not like we're killing some kind of intelligent creature that might produce art and have a society. It's just fucking cickens and cows, who cares.
I was reading from a deep web site the other day a and bow to eat and prepare a human meat it said humans have not much meat its mostly fat and you have to keep them captive and not feed just water because eating can produce toxins in the body and if they have aids or somthing your fucked
>>663501211 not really, meat all tastes relatively similar and bascially the same except for subtle differences. there is a lot more of a difference in taste between a rasberry and a grape than chicken and beef
In a survival situation is it not better to be able to eat a larger variety of things? That's why we evolved to be omnivores. Both carnavores and herbavores die off when the only food source they are able to digest is depleted. Keeping options open is important for the survival of our species, but go ahead and start a race of flat toothed malnourished mongoloids, but when a drought hits good luck surviving.
>>663502164 meat tastes more a less similar between the different animals, its all meat its all the same shit real flavours come from fruits and vegetables, whens the last time you had a chicken flavoured smoothie?
>>663499020 >Oh hello there girl! Do you love your boyfriend? >Why yes, yes I do. >Is he a human? >...yes? >So do you suck his dick? >That's none of your business, but sometimes I do. What does it have to do with anything? >Well, it means that means you want to suck my dick. >WTF >Please don't get angry. I am a vegan and I apply my universal logic on everything. Now dig into my salad, bitch. And don't you dare to swallow, that shit is cannibalism.
>>663502520 chicken and beef taste as different as a or even more so then something like bananas and grapefruit, if you really think they taste similar you really must have some form of issues with your taste.
And im really not sure what smoothies have to do with anything, are you saying that food you can turn into a smoothie are someone superior to other food?..
>>663502763 And who's gonna stop it? Have you ever even been on a farm? I have. Not all places are those crazy factories you hear about that throw chicks in a blender. They're the minority. They just sell more because it's efficient.
Confirmed for vegan faggot. I eat loads and loads of vegetables but even two parts of meat FROM THE SAME DAMN ANIMAL don't taste the same. You are a lying faggot, come up with facts, not make belief stories everyone knows are wrong.
> Be overweight > From family of obese fucks > Family history of diabetes > Family history of heart disease > Hereditary blood clotting condition that put my father and his father on permanent blood-thinners from the age of ~45 until death due to dramatically increasing risk of heart attack > Go to doctor @ 23, get diagnosed with very high blood cholesterol, high blood pressure, all that jazz > Start vegan diet > Six months later, new blood test > Cholesterol drops like a rock, to the degree that he recommended I eat more saturated fat because it was too low > Blood pressure now low-end of normal > Fasting blood sugar excellent
i think all the anti meateaters are forgetting that the vast majority of people that eat meat dont give a fuck about where it even came from and certainly dont give a fuck about your shitty comic based arguments, they will continue eating their delicious meat uncaring about the animals "precious life" no matter what you say.
>>663503026 I disagree, I think you only believe that because meat is such a large part of your diet the differentiation between your meats is very easy for you to make. If you stopped eating meat for a month I think you'd start to agree that there is a much broader spectrum of flavour in fruits and vegetables.. given the huge variety of fruits and vegetables that exist in comparison to meats which are basically - cow chicken pig ducks and turkey
i mentioned smoothies to show that most manufactured food that don't contain meat are flavoured based on fruits, even milkshakes are often made with strawberry to add some delicious natural flavour
>>663504154 >I disagree, I think you only believe that because fruits and vegetables is such a large part of your diet the differentiation between your fruits and vegetables is very easy for you to make. If you stopped eating fruits and vegetables for a month I think you'd start to agree that there is a much broader spectrum of flavour in meats.. given the huge variety of meats that exist in comparison to fruits and vegetables which are basically - apples, oranges, carrots, potatos and corn.
Most animals are sentience, sentience (the capability to have qualia or subjective experiences) is actually quite common among most animals with developed nervous systems. It would be pretty difficult to argue that mammals with a CNS are non-sentient - if your dog enjoys being pet/rubbed/played with, by definition that is sentience.
Now, a sea sponge? A jelly fish? Probably not sentient. A whale or an elephant - very likely sentient.
You're probably thinking of Sapience, which is a bit different of a concept: sapience refers to the ability to think or reason, especially the ability to use symbolic or other abstract forms of logic. This is quite a bit more rare, and is likely restricted only to highly evolved primates, such as ourselves. Sapience and sentience are often conflated in science fiction and popular usage, however they are distinct. Sapience is, however, somewhat problematic as an argument for meat consumption or animal usage since it was invented specifically in order to differentiate human and non-human animals, in other words, arguing that it's appropriate to exploit animals because they're not sapient is circular logic. It would be more accurate to say that you don't believe animals which are not capable of abstract reasoning deserve rights.
>>663505936 im not all too sure about terminology about shit, i just do what i feel like, and think what i think, in real life i dont really like to affiliate myself with veganism because of all the extremist ISIS vegans around these days, who probably damage and increase hatred against the movement more than anything
>>663504656 The point was that meats like chicken provide the proteins and nutrients that require either supplements, a shit tonne of certain vegetables or fruits that you now have to consume just to get into your body. Hence the fuss
>>663505219 not even counting every cut of meats on a animal taste wildy different American bison Carabao Cattle Water buffalo Domesticated yak Alpaca Llama Camel goat cat Rabbit Donkey Horse sheep pig Moose Reindeer Red deer Fallow deer Elk Chicken duck goose turkey quail pigeon Guineafowl Ostrich Emu Carp Catfish Salmon Tilapia Crayfish Lobster Shrimp Prawns Oysters Mussels Land snails Abalone and more
>>663506216 you make it sound like i'm on a constant mission to fulfill my supplementary needs, it's really not that difficult. You make it sound like an extremely uncomfortable lifestyle the way you say "you now have to consume just to get into your body" I mean if it was really such a troublesome lifestyle why would moderate people without extremist vegan views adopt this lifestyle, people like me who don't do it for the animals but for health
A lot of tempeh, beans, seitan, and some tofu for protein; carbs mainly from brown rice, sweet potato, and whole-grain bread; fat mostly from high omega-3 oils like cold-pressed canola oil or camelina sativa oil, some olive oil for drizzling, saturated fat from coconut oil, also avocado.
E.g., last night for dinner I had some toast with sugar-free apple butter, with a side of three-bean salad (chickpeas, kidney beans, black beans, cubed avocado & tomato, a little tofu, minced red onion, raw garlic, and cilantro, in an olive oil/apple cider vinegar dressing), then followed it up with some pan-fried brown rice with mixed vegetables.
Getting enough calories is easy, especially if you have a housewife who likes to bake (I've actually had a hard time keeping my weight down since she's always making pies and cookies and stuff).
Cooking animal flesh is how we as a species developed our highly complex and large brains
Other primates with similar brain:body weight ratios ("similar" used loosely, as our brain:body weight ratio is much higher than other primates, and our brains are far more complex) have to eat for about 8 hours a day to consume enough calories to maintain their health
Eating meat isn't just natural, it's necessary
Your "point" refers to cannibalism, not eating meat in general, and to be fair if a group of vegans remain vegan for about 20 generations they'd be demonstrably different enough from people as to no longer consider them human and therefore there would be no ethical/cannibalism dilemma about eating them
tl;dr: vegans aren't people and we should eat them, too
>>663505604 >Where do you get your manure free vegetables
Manure wouldn't be cost effective as a fertilizer if it didn't exist as a biproduct of animal agriculture. Eating vegetables grown in manure doesn't financially support the animal-ag industry anywhere near as much as, say, buying hamburger does. In fact, buying beans grown with manure as opposed to buying meat does net financial harm to the meat industry.
>>663507025 my list is more condensed but overall similar in size and i didnt even list 75% of the tasty and eatable animals on the planet, once again not counting how ridiculously huge the list would be if i listed of every single different tasting CUT of meat instead of the whole animal.
>>663506196 not OP but the second part of the argument is dumb because humans can't digest most meats raw and have to cook them, also most of the nutrients that you get from animals can be found in plants too, only very few are exclusive to meat..
>>663507025 >mfw there is a much larger variety of nutrients you get from the meats than from the vegetables >mfw fish barely got mentioned in said list at all Simply because most of the meats he listed are from animals that eat most of the fruit from your list as well as the vegetables from the list you didn't mention
>>663507297 well you're list is mostly animals in the same species, you've listed moose reindeer, red deer, fallow deer elk, all the same shit all the same taste just different species, whereas my delicious vegetables and fruits are all unique and lovely
>>663507195 >How do you deal with not eating carbs as a vegan?
I'll admit, it's hard. A few years ago I was on a ketogenic diet, eating less than 50g protein/day, which I had done for a couple of years. When I went vegan, initially I also tried to maintain ketosis but I found that it was too restrictive. It can be done, it's just difficult.
I wrote up some guidelines for minimizing carbs on a vegan diet (fill in the URL yourself): bitly 1JPcWTv
>tl;dr Focus on high-protein low-carb foods like seitan, tofu, tempeh (sparingly), edamame, soy curls, and black soy beans; have them with lots and lots of low-carb vegetables; use healthy fats (from nuts/seeds/oils) of the correct type when cooking and to add flavor; avocado.
>Macro Nutrients - You're going to want to keep carbohydrates very low, get adequate protein for your activity level (more if you lift weights, for example), and then fill in the rest of the calories from fat. Note that too much protein can cause you to drop out of ketosis, a good rule of thumb it to get equal weights of protein and fat (fat has a little over twice the calories per gram as protein). To get into ketosis you should try to get less than 20g of carbs per day, but most people are able to maintain ketosis a few weeks later as long as they stay under 50 or so. It varies from person to person, so buy testing strips. Anecdotally, after a year in ketosis, I was able to maintain ketosis even getting up to 100g once in a while, as long as it was from low-glycemic-index stuff like hummus.
>>663507561 hahah, funny i'm not OP and i wasn't defending it i have nothing to defend it against I was just explaining, in case there are any interested people reading that from my experience its not that difficult, also your a fookin pusey and i'd fuck yer bitch
>>663499020 Not a single bite of food reaches our mouths that has not involved the killing of animals. By some estimates, at least 300 animals per acre—including mice, rats, moles, groundhogs and birds—are killed for the production of vegetable and grain foods, often in gruesome ways. Only one animal per acre is killed for the production of grass-fed beef and no animal is killed for the production of grass-fed milk until the end of the life of the dairy cow.
99% of vegetarians/vegans are fulfilling a selfish desire to feel good about themselves.
By not eating meat they feel a sense of validation about doing right morally.
They disregard evidence about the importance of animal proteins in the history of human evolution.
They pretend to occupy moral high ground and then preach to others from perceived superiority. But when faced with a true starvation situation they will eat meat. The fact of life is that we are animals.
Life consumes life. There is no biological classification of life which is superior to any other. Only the human brain creates such abstractions and only the human brain requires validation through abstraction.
>>663508490 have you ever tasted either of those meats? i HIGHLY doubt it i have however tasted both those and many other of the berries on your list and they all have very similar tastes and qualitys.
Alright, cool. I'll look into it. Meat is too expensive anyway these days to eat all the time.
Isn't long term ketosis dangerous though? Certain brain tissues actually need about 100 grams of carbs a day to function properly. I know this because I experienced ketoacidosis until the point where it nearly killed me and I couldn't really think any more.
>>663508624 They're both meat, and incorrect this is coming from someone who has experienced both many different meats, as well as vegetables, and fruits. How about opening your eyes Instead of being a pretentious fuck
>>663508175 You are all idiots, both sides here tbh. Saving your life with no other option =/= eating something that involves killing something else when there are plenty of other options. And most of the meat you eat is probably filled pumped with antibiotics and the nutrients that the meat naturally doesn't contain so what's the difference in taking suppliments or eating meat filled with suppliments+who knows what?
>>663508622 alright settle down Dr. Fedora I think you'd find the percentages are probably more 60 40, as many vegans are simply doing it out of a lifestyle choice and are not in any other way involved with veganism and imposing their beliefs on others. I'm all for nature and think the natural way of things is right but can you tell me Dr. Fedora what is natural and evolutionary about a slaughterhouse and a milk factory
I used to be very strongly anti-vegetarian. I love the taste of meat, and I always thought it was stupid to consider animals and humans as being equal, that to morally object to an animal being killed and eaten was stupid.
However, since actually starting to think about the morality of it, I've changed my opinion quite a bit.
The first thing that made me start to reconsider was the ecological impact of eating meat, especially foreign meat. Meat uses a huge amount of energy in both production, as well as preparation and transportation. I started to be more aware of the meat I was eating and, where possible, sourced it locally. I had no moral objection to eating meat at this point, but I felt that it had some rather large drawbacks.
After a while, I started to think more about the morality of it. I don't consider an animal to be equal to a human, and I would never choose an animal over a man in anything but the most contrived of situations. I wouldn't object to an animal being tortured, maimed or killed if the alternative was for that to happen to a human. However, the big thing that changed my opinion was the realisation that, although animals may never be equal to us at our best, they still have the ability to suffer. Don't get me wrong, I don't consider the depth of suffering that, say, a chicken feels to be in any way comparable to what a human does, but it's suffering nonetheless. What's more, for most of the time, it's unnecessary suffering. I don't NEED to eat meat. I love the taste, and it's more convenient, but there are plenty of diets and workarounds. When I eat meat, I am consciously choosing to cause (however indirectly) suffering. As an analogy, if every time you ate meat, someone you know got straight up punched in the face, would you still eat meat?
Or would you think more carefully about when that person getting punched was worth the pay off? A Christmas turkey with family may be worth someone getting punched, but a soggy burger from some shitty van probably isn't. While I wouldn't say I have a moral objection to eating meat, it's gone from something I do without thinking about to something I'm much more aware of. Causing unnecessary suffering is something I know I should try to avoid, so I've cut back significantly. I'm not something of a weekday vegetarian. I don't eat meat during the week. On the weekends, however, I'll go out and buy an expensive cut of nice, local, free-range meat from a nearby butcher, and I'll cook it up nice. I appreciate meat a lot more now I eat less of it, funnily enough.
I still eat fish, though. Fuck the little slimy bastards.
>>663500009 you can eat most meat raw. even more so than most plants actually. problem is simply parasites. I ate deer sashimi once (simply thin raw slices of meat). also no getting protein from other sources is far from always easy. we are lucky in the west to have always had semi protein rich wheat and very protein righ peas etc. in south east asia and oceania that wasnt the case, sweet potatoe contains very ittle protein same as rice. its the reason for canibalism in some tribal societies too.
>>663509012 i'm sorry I didn't know you had such a impressive range of qualifications. you don't mean to say that you, an anonymous 4chan user has actually eaten many different meats, AS WELL as vegetables and fruits, i'm sorry about my previous comments, I didn't know who I was dealing with
Ketosis is actually neuroprotective, though that's only in otherwise healthy people IIRC. If you experienced ketoacidosis then it may not be for you. The guidelines I gave are still applicable even if you're not planning on ketosis, just add more carbs - have some more tempeh, or eat some sweet potato or hummus or something.
>>663509364 Veganism is about doing what you can. Anything is better than nothing...placing restrictions on yourself and being hard on yourself is okay, but if you have to bend the rules,fuck it. It's your life. And you're still doing more than most!
>>663509787 yes regardless of how we act we are a part of nature.. but what we are acting upon is not natural, and in fact damaging to nature. If the world keeps going on as it is there won't be any trees for you to point at and say, SEE NATURE JUST LIKE US
funny thing is certain vegetables actually require more water and land to produce than meat with equal nutrients would need. most notably salad, you barely digest any of it it comes out right the other end.
>>663510043 We are doing plenty. I do my part every single day, and anonymous trolls on fuckin /b/ of all places aren't going to rustle me. You just have feelings of inadequacy and you're taking it out on others.
>>663510361 >mah animal lives how about thinking about all those plant lives your murdering bud? or all those bug lives your murdering with your pesticides or you know simply walking into your garden, #AllLivesAreEqual
>>663510561 overpopulation is a meme. there is no overpopulation in the west. you only have populations in shitholes growing faster than the means to support them. but if the historical development of the west is any indicator at all thats only temporary. thats just typical rampant missanthrophism without any basis. humanity is awesome, denying that is heresy.
>>663510618 whats with the 99% there is no proof at all that the extremist almost religiously vegan people in the world account for very much at all of vegans in the world today.. most vegans i think would say that their survival comes first and would admit they would kill and eat an animal in survival situations. your argument basically just points at a small percentage and says HA, SEE YOUR ALL HYPOCRITES
>>663511147 The issue is less that all live are equal, more that we shouldn't cause unnecessary suffering. Plants and insects have nervous systems that are incredibly primitive, if they have any at all. They do not suffer in the same sense that an animal can, and they are in no way at all comparable to what we consider pain or anguish.
>>663511277 It doesn't matter where the overpopulation is. Fact is that we can only grow enough food for a maximum of 11 billion people and that's considering the fact that everyone would have to go vegan and not over-indulge so it doesn't really change the facts.
>>663510618 >Do you think it's right to murder someone? >Would you kill a person if it meant your own survival? You would?! Haha, hypocrite! Clearly killing someone is completely fine, and anyone who says otherwise is just lying to themselves!
Don't worry I'll be picking up the slack you vegans leave behind. I'll roll my way out of burger king with bags upon bags of greasy graveyard meat. Every vegan post shall mean another deliciously sadistic death beef burger to stuff down my gullet.
>>663500536 Plants offer a protein blend that lacks amino acids and various other vitamins, appropriate for your body to develop and grow. Relying solely on plant based protein will eventually reduce in cranial construction necessary to develop proper brain function. In the short gist of things, you'll develop brain cells at a slower rate than what you would by eating meat. Don't deny your genetics because of your feelings.
>>663511080 >Everyone who is not already vegan is directly funding animal cruelty and destruction of the earth's resources.
Oh wow. And here you are, using a laptop made using: >child slave labour which consumes electricity made by >oil which is bought by >ISIS and other middle eastern regimes Which means YOU directly support child slave labour as well as fund wars in the middle east.
All so you could complain on the internet about the big bad meat eaters.
Semantics is fun, isn't it? You whiny vegan pussy.
>>663511812 Perhaps that's true for carefully managed livestock, but I'm not convinced that humane methods are widely used in battery farming. What's more, even if every animal was killed that way, the life of an animal in a battery farm could be considered to be one full of suffering. Short, cramped and often painful.
>>663512228 not the guy you replied to but im gonna reply anyways, yes good point but in this modern world a laptop is pretty much essential in order to succeed in the modern world. Veganism is about minimalizing damage, but your point of view seems to suggest OH EVERYTHINGS HARMFUL, SO FUCK IT WHATS THE POINT IN TRYING, AND THE PEOPLE WHO DO TRY, YEAH THEY AIN'T REALLY FUCKIN HELPING CUS THEY STILL SUPPORT BAD THINGS IN SOME WAY, FUCK EM RIGHT
>>663512530 One steak a week, 10 billion people, you need around three earthes with grass to feed them. Assuming, that every man has the right to buy meat. If its only 1/3 that can afford it in the future (and it looks like that more and more), then we have no problem.
But since we kill each other for iPhones, why shouldn't some people start killing for a 100$ piece of meat? We know it will happen.
>>663512530 To an extent, yes. I'm not vegan, or even vegetarian, but I do see the moral issues raised by eating meat. I eat it a couple of times a week, and always make sure I buy from local sources which can guarantee their animals have a fair quality of life. I save money overall, but get a higher quality of meat that I can enjoy a lot more.
I can't understand a vegan's objection to consuming animal products, though.
>Being vegan is only about not consuming animal products under any circumstance
Last time I checked the reasons people are vegan are environment, health and animal welfare. Merely consuming an animal product does not a hypocrite make. Especially if it doesn't violate whatever cause you have or if it's not pragmatically viable to not consume it.
>>663513114 A lot of them are based on the fact that it's incredibly inneficient to produce meat and it's not sustainable enough to even give enough food for everyone currently living on earth, which is why there's so much starvation.
>>663513462 HAHA is that all you can respond to be with, you pathetic piece of shit. They all kill field mice to grow the vegetables needed to feed your livestock fucking moron, god damn If i knew you IRL i'd probably be shagging yer bird right now but if you don't have a gf defenitely your mum
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