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You are legitimating the views of mentally ill people and reinforcing their beliefs, which is counter-productive to their recovery. Only a perverted soul would use these poor people as tools to push forward their political agendas.
Here's the thing.. Transgender between male/female dichotomy is provable with an MRI. It is biologically sound to have a defect/disorder where your brain's gender doesn't match your biological gender.
What I hate are the people who say gender is entirely socially constructed. My gf likes to point out that India has 3 distinctions for gender: m/f/multisex.
However, that only proves that they have a trichotomy instead of a dichotomy. That's a social thing. But whether or not gender is biological doesn't matter there. We understand as humans that multisex exists, so it doesn't even matter if we make separate distinctions or not.
>>663455859 Its just sad, and gives the whole trans community a bad rep. I actually know someone, trans too, who wanted to commit suicide because he didnt want to be seen as a attention-whoring bitch. Some people just take this gender thing too far and forget that biological gender actually exists. Its just retarded and makes me angry and sad
>>663455935 Standing by while mentally ill people are being used as political pawns instead of trying to see to it that they get the help they need is evil. I don't care what most any of you say on that matter. There's a huge amount of people who develop severe depression after going through HRT/sex-operation and either live in misery or commit suicide. Because "corrigating" your gender turned out to not be such a good idea. What's even worse is how some of these people have been so young, fucking children man, and during a time when they weren't capable of understanding the full consequences of their actions, psychologists and doctors (as well as the media, politicians etc) have all failed them, all in the name of "tolerance".
>>663456229 The core of morality is recognizing reality and adhering to it. That is why lying is wrong - it is denying reality. Crazy people who think they re something they are not are ill. People who say "well, sure, OK - that man is a woman" are denying reality. That is immoral.
>>663454732 Nothing, but their fight for special treatment disguised as acceptance is annoying.
As far as our best estimates go, transgender people are about .7% of the population. That's 7 out of every 1000 self identify as trans.
So, when they demand that everyone have to state their preferred pronouns or that they should be given greater visibility in media my response is "why?". There literally aren't enough of them to matter in society.
Of course they should not be persecuted. They have a legitimate mental condition that makes their brain disagree with their body. But they don't need a movement, and they should not get to dictate how the other 993 out of 1000 of us live in society.
Ugh. I feel for you and your friend. I had an argument about exactly this, the difference between genuine trans people and Tumblrina LOOKHOWUNIQUEIAM attention whores, and some otherwise-intelligent people jumped down my throat for expressing sympathy for genuine trans people getting taken for fakers.
Of course, since I'm not trans, my opinion doesn't count for shit. I wish you'd been there.
>>663456456 every opinion matters :) I had a similar argument where some tumblrina bitch called me an asshole for not "showing that im trans" and called me transphobic. how the fuck should that even work?
Thanks btw, hes recovering and getting better every day
I have never encountered that definition in my entire life.
You also seem to fail to note that genuine trans people know perfectly well that they were born a certain sex; they just feel an overpowering need to become, to whatever extent possible, another. That is a well-documented physiological defect, so I am merely acknowledging thst reality.
Now, when you start getting into "gender-fluidity" and other such nonsense not rooted in any known biological fact, then we have a fucking problem.
>>663456548 Did you hear about the 40something guy who went on TV and was fully supported by the liberal idiots on the talk show? Said he was a 6y/o girl. Was 'adopted' to a new family where that was acceptable and is teaching that family's kids that you can be a kid forever.
People are scared of having their gender identity questioned. Women feel like they are supposed to act dainty and shave their legs and be cute and lady like and men think they are supposed to be fucking testosteroned out bros that constantly have to respond to every situation as A MAN. This is why we can't have nice things.
>>663456640 >Morals are subjective Yeah? Well, I think what you said is evil. I'll be by to murder you, your entire family, and burn down all your houses. All my relatives will perjure themselves and provide an alibi. If they get close I'll bribe the cops. See how easy it is when morality is subjective? >fookin' moron
>>663456808 No, thankfully I seem to have missed that. Then again, I live in Europe, we have our own wackiness to deal with right now.
Like an unemployed, single mother of 3 (or whatever it was) who literally picked a man up from the streets to be their new step-dad: a gypsy half her age. Now they've been happily married in his homecountry and when interviewed in a local magazine, their working titles were "former bum/housewife". Unfortunately the article left out their current occupation, but I'd wager it's something along the lines of being a parasite or a leech.
This is the crux of it right here. It seems like anyone who is born with a body which does not agree with their brain would reconcile it the best way they could, by dressing and acting as close to the gender they identify with as possible.
It's why being "trans" isn't something that anyone but edgy tumblr kids seem to do. Because actual people with dysphoria are just men or women. I could be wrong about this but, isn't the goal to pass? To be seen as the thing you identify with, and not something in between?
>>663457096 "hey stop killing us" "shut up i don't feel like hearing this because this doesn't affect me but if I had a sibling or friend that was murdered for being trans I'd probably suddenly care and do a fucking gofundme on my facebook" LOL!
>>663457118 Yes but people see trans people acting a certain way. Like if someone with a beard who acts "mainly" says they are a woman it fucks with retard testosteroned out bros minds. and they get uncomfortable and just go into "yer a faggot" mode
>>663457173 >to pass? Nah its not the be all end all. Right now im trying to develop a pharmaceutical to increase vision in low lighting. Thats kind of my goal, im not leaving the lab much these days. I actually need a haircut.
>>663456790 >I have never encountered that definition in my entire life. protip: your local library is chock full of books you can read for free >You also seem to fail to note that genuine trans people know perfectly well that they were born a certain sex; they just feel an overpowering need to become, to whatever extent possible, another. False; I understand that crazy people have crazy ideas. That is what makes them crazy. I have never said 'trans aren't for realz' I have said 'agreeing with lunatics is lunacy' I have a cousin-by-marriage who is schizophrenic; when she doesn't take her meds she hears voices in her head. Her illness is obviously largely chemical - a little bit of lithium and she's fine. That is real. AGREEING with her that angels are telling her to burn her baby? That's stupid and crazy! Do a tiny fraction of people have a type of dysphoria that leads them to think they are something they are not? Absolutely! Those poor people. Agreeing with them, though, is wrong.
>>663457132 I already called it a disorder/defect. It might as well be like those conditions. I'm arguing the legitimacy of their position; not whether or not it has a negative existence.
>>663457173 You're right. Most trans people I meet try to fit the stereotype of the gender they want to be so they will be recognized as that gender. Your problem is with fake people who want attention.
>>663457279 yeah that sounds more like a problem with people not interested in understanding what is wrong with the weird bearded lady
>>663457482 You can agree with a schizo that they are hearing voices and still help them you fucking idiot. Why are you so opinionated on this? Your pseudo-objective stance is just getting on my nerves
>>663457212 I generally don't expect someone old enough to be on 4Chan and with enough education to spell ignorant of one of the core concepts of life AND incapable of reaching conclusions on their own. Does your handler know you are on a PC?
>>663457363 Your career doesn't have anything to do with your gender though. I'm not saying passing is necessary to be treated with respect, only that it seems like you would want to cleave as close as possible to what you feel you are inside.
This might be a poor example because it's just an anecdote, but I'm a cis guy and I've always been very traditionally masculine. Grew up riding horses and shooting guns and chopping wood to heat the family house in winter. Served in the navy. I'm good with a wrench. Short hair, beard, muscled, etc.
I guess that doesn't "make" me a man per se, but it's the kind of man I feel like I should be? Or something.
Congrats on the new drug though, good luck in the lab.
>>663458192 are you contending that psychologists make no /real/ contributions to our understanding of humans
also herp derp heres science that was included in those links http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150213112317.htm
researchers at Boston University School of Medicine conducted a review of the current studies. they concluded that the available data suggests there's a biological link to a persons gender identity, indicating that trans people are essentially assigned genders at birth that don't match their inherent, biologically set identity.
>>663457813 >You can agree with a schizo that they are hearing voices and still help them you fucking idiot. Why are you so opinionated on this? Your pseudo-objective stance is just getting on my nerves You are pretty dim, aren't you? Of course they hear voices - they're crazy. Here's thing thing, though. *Those voices aren't real*. My cousin is not actually talking to angels. Discussing her illness? Sure. Demanding others accept that there really are angels really talking to her and really, in real life, telling her to burn her baby? That's nuts. Arew there trans people? Yes. Are some of them men convinced they are "really" women? Sure. They're crazy. Asking others to believe, actually believe, that they really are women? Stupid. Crazy. Wrong.
>>663458214 >>663458717 I should also add that i meant that you can decide your own gender roles. if you go back a century ago, women were fighting to be main caretakers. And now they're fighting to be "freed from teh patriarchy holding us down!!"
>>663458766 I made that comparison because for a long time (I don't know the actual amount of time so sorry) we just threw all the psychos into a building and said "problem solved!"
I'm not arguing for you to accept them AND call them by what they want to be called. Just that you accept that they exist at all.
but there are multisex people. Not sure if you don't know what that is but if you do, just skip this next bit:
people born with genitals from both genders or something similar; ie having a male body overall but with a functional vagina or vice versa
physical appearance is important, but i mentioned earlier that you can test for dysphoria with an MRI scan of the brain. If all the trans people wanted to be taken seriously, they should all get their brains scanned to prove their dsyphoria.
>>663458717 >you should at least answer the question. Really? OK, here we go 1) Lying is wrong. It is a denial of reality. It causes people to be unable to determine what is real and what is false. Liars cannot be trusted. 2) Trans people are mentally ill. They think (if a man) that they are a woman or (if a woman) that they are a man. This is not true. Now, they are mentally ill because of this error. 3) People who are NOT crazy have no excuse to think that a man is a woman or a woman is a man. 4) Expecting people to believe men are women is silly. It isn't true. Demanding that the law or social customs treat women as men because they are crazy is stupid and wrong.
but yeah, I keep saying that I agree with you on that they might be mentally ill. But for some reason you think I'm against you on that. And, I've also said that you can test dysphoria with an mri scan of the brain.
>>663459442 wait wait wait... you're not calling me the sjw are you? because I'm really not. I'm pretty conservative on most issues, but I'm genuinely curious about this subject.
>>663459347 Ooooh. Someone is a bit touchy about their intelligence. Hmmmm. Let me make a guess about you. Average school, average to juuuuust below average grades. Told everyone you are "smart (maybe 'gifted' for the panache), but school was too easy, so you got bored" as an excuse for the grades. Use lack of money, etc., as an excuse for why you never even applied for a top tier college. Very quietly dropped out of college after a few low GPA semesters and now spend a lot of time skimming Wikipedia rather than reading primary sources. . How close am I?
>>663458505 >According to the researchers the article does have some limitations due to the small numbers of individuals studied and therefore conclusions should be drawn with caution. Safer recommends that further research focus on specific biologic mechanisms for gender identity.
I bet you skipped over that part because it's not good for your argument.
You also seemed to skip this part >The researchers conducted a literature search and reviewed articles that showed positive biologic bases for gender identity.
"researchers" conducted a "literature search"
Well that's that then isn't it? Or maybe since this is essentially a tabloid article with no real citations we shouldn't be calling it science.
>>663454732 >Anon what do i loose by accepting and nurturing someones metal illnesses
Well shit OP i dont know, what do you get when you promote a group of people who have a suicide rate of around 40% because the delusion they believe in is unobtainable, and never truly will be, then get rejected from the rest of the world because they are fucking freaks.
>>663459667 No I just mean this thread in general seems like closeted faggots debating with SJW....if trans women were really women they wouldn't feel the need to even respond to faggots or identify as something other than a woman.. Just food for thought it all
>>663459726 Some of it sounds about right, except I never told anyone I was gifted. My teachers did. I then had to go to another school that was running a "gifted/talented" program. Turns out I qualify for mensa.
1) Gender is a social construct. 2) You can be born in the wrong body.
These two are mutually incompatible.
Either you are born with an innate "psychological gender" or gender is something you adopt via social conditioning. You can't have both.
SJW's tell us: Gender roles (including appearance etc.) are constructs and therefore we should dispatch with such notions.
However, transgender individuals almost always adopt exaggerated gender stereotypes of the gender they believe they "really are".
Where are the male-to-female transgender women who are tomboys?
Almost every transgender person I have interacted with (and I live in a town with a clinic dealing with this, so they are everywhere here) - almost always behave in the way that a man assumes a woman would behave.
I believe if you were to do a blind study - asking the same questions to:
1 - women 2 - so called transgender "women" 3 - Straight normal men asked to to answer pretending to be women.
You would find that groups 2 and 3 would give similar answers and you'd find a distinct difference in the answers from group 1. Of course this last idea is pure assumption but I would bet everything I own on such a result.
>>663457096 actually the reason for their persecution began thousands of years ago in the middle of a desert when people decided their write down their mushroom trips and people took it literally, this also lead to many wars and the persecution of many other groups of people as well over arbitrary reasons.
>>663459919 Yeah they usually get their parts sorted out before growing up. In most cases I'm sure it works out for the better, assuming they look at testosterone v estrogen levels.
and I only keep bringing up dysphoria and intersex because those are provable and tangible things you can look at to say "okay this person is like this, what can we do now?"
If you look at the study of John Money's look into whether or not gender is socially created (which it isn't) his "experiment" on the twin boys goes to shit. Just a follow up if you want to look into this more.
>>663460080 it is obtainable. Whether or not society accepts them as they are is another story. In your eyes they may never be "true women/men" but they would just want the surgery to become either or to be happy.
>>663460100 You're right. The thing is that trans people have a bad rap because of people who say they're a woman but don't actually want to be women.
>>663454732 Nothing just for fucks sake just stop shoving it down people's throats. Nobody cares, just when you start a relationship make sure to let them know people hate being lied to about that snd you should feel like shit if you guilt trip someone grossed out by that kind of thing.
>>663456941 Name one Transgender person or even just a gay oerson you know who got murdered. Shut the fuck up. Nobody is murdering transgender people. And even if they were that just goes to show how fucking annoying you are. But I digress, nobody is going to throw away their own life and get put in jail to murder a transgender person. Thats how unimportant they are. Pretty much 99.99999% of the population could care less and are not going to go to jail just so they is one less cockroach out of the fucking millions of you. I hate when faggots say this shit because it really doesn't make sense. Fags hate straight people just as much as straight people hate them and they don't go around murdering us for the same reasons we don't go around murdering you. Now go suck a cock or something fuck boi.
>>663460725 Yeah, I mean I don't think everything about psychology is provable but I also don't think it's complete bullshit.
>>663460792 Anectdotal evidence isn't worth asking for. Also, if gay people murdered straight people, would that make you feel better or something?
There are people that are murdered over being gay or trans. The reason the stereotype exists that all gays are on the coasts of the US (if you live in the US) is because that is where the most progressive people live. If you look at crimes in the midwest, you'll find the cases where someone came out and was killed a while after. It's not unheard of.
Gay people make up maybe 3% of the US population (if I'm pushing it, I haven't looked at recent stats) and trans people make up about .1 or .2% (again, not up to date)
So if you think that 3.2% of the population being treated like outcasts in places they would have to have money to leave, money that they would have to earn by not coming out as what they are, it's no wonder that they would rather just come out because some idiot on the internet was like "im sure they'll accept you"
>>663461341 by proxy of people being born male wanting to be straight women, most christians will perceive that as being gay. same as vice versa. it's not that they read it in the book, obviously nobody was changing genders back then, it's how they interpret it.
>>663461532 holy shit dude this whole thread has been talking about dysphoria, the dichotomy not being accurate in this context, and mental illness.
Also, you mean perception, not conception.
>>663461706 biological sex and gender have yet to be proven to be different, please look up john money and his experiment or take my word for it. Or I could tl;dr the study.
Sex refers to a person’s biological status and is typically categorized as male, female, or intersex (i.e., atypical combinations of features that usually distinguish male from female). There are a number of indicators of biological sex, including sex chromosomes, gonads, internal reproductive organs, and external genitalia.
Gender refers to the attitudes, feelings, and behaviors that a given culture associates with a person’s biological sex. Behavior that is compatible with cultural expectations is referred to as gender-normative; behaviors that are viewed as incompatible with these expectations constitute gender non-conformity.
Gender identity refers to “one’s sense of oneself as male, female, or transgender” (American Psychological Association, 2006). When one’s gender identity and biological sex are not congruent, the individual may identify as transsexual or as another transgender category (cf.Gainor, 2000)
Gender expression refers to the “…way in which a person acts to communicate gender within a given culture; for example, in terms of clothing, communication patterns and interests. A person’s gender expression may or may not be consistent with socially prescribed gender roles, and may or may not reflect his or her gender identity” (American Psychological Association, 2008, p. 28)
>>663462797 Dude I don't care what the APA says. Are you shitting me? Are you a fucking sheep? The APA almost said that being a pedophile was a valid form of sexual orientation and should be made legal. You fucking moron.
If you're going to look at what they say and not where they got that information from (IE JOHN MONEY) why are you even here. Anyone can look up what the "official stance on gender" is. Fuck you.
>>663462027 Anecdotal evidence isn't worth asking for? Maybe for you because if you actually needed evidence it would be a whole lot harder for you to make your argument wouldn't it?
okay sure a very incredibly small amount of gay people get murdered just like how a small amount of people get murdered for cutting someboudy off in traffic. Whats your point? Welcome to the real world bro.
Cool statisics friend. I don't care though. You didn't really make any sort of arguement you just told me gay people exist. Yeah I know gay people exist thankyou.
How are they treated like outcasts? How do you know that they are being treated this way? I have a professor right now who is gay as fuck. But he didn't show up the first day of class and whip his dick out and flop it on the table and starts screaming I'm a faggot!!! He had a great Job a the best university in my state and people don't raise their hand in the middle of class and tell him they wanna murder him or that they hate him. People respect him. He worked hard in life and is a smart person and he doesn't shove his gay agenda or gay dick up his students ass and we don't shove are straight agenda or our straight dicks up his ass. How can gay people not get jobs bro? Have you ever seen a question in a resume that asks "Are you a faggot or have you ever been a faggot? Have you ever been convicted of sucking dick?" I know I sure havn't. Last time I checked it was illegal to discriminate giring somebody based on thier sexuality. That law was passed because people support fags rights just like everybody elses. Shut the fuck up with your little whining.
I'm from a country where being trans is not an issue and they are accepted, the only people who think its a problem are people that like to play the victim role, same with feminists. just be who you are and stop being such a fucking drama queen about it nobody honestly cares, even if some crossdressing faggot walked past me and I laugh at him I wouldn't even remember him/her/it after 2 hours anymore, I care about one thing me. and so does everyone else.
Hot moms make sissy sons, and macho men make butch daughters.
Your genitals are determined by only wether or not you have the SRY gene on the Y chromosome, but there are plenty of autosomal traits that when in a female helps increase her chances of mating with a man and other autosomal traits that help men find female mate.
Now what happens when a male receives autosomal genes that are beneficial for a women but does not inherit those that are beneficial towards a male as far as mating?
So if your son is a sissy, blame your hot trophy wife, if your daughter is a dyke, well then thats the championship lineman daddy's fault.
Money and Ehrhardt (1972) claim that children are gender neutral at birth. Development of gender identity and adherence to gender role is primarily a consequence of socialization.
The theory is based on case studies of individuals born with ambiguous genitals called intersex in medical literature. Money found children who had been born as females genetically but were raised as boys and thought of themselves as boys. Money theorized that humans are not born with a gender identity and therefore it is possible to reassign sex within the first two years of life.
The theory is supported by animal research. Female rat fetuses injected with testosterone tend to behave like male rats as adults. They do not exhibit normal female sexual behavior in adulthood even if they are injected with the female hormone estrogen at that time.
Case study David Reimer was a twin boy who accidentally lost his penis under a routine circumcision, when he was 8 months. Dr. John Money suggested that the parents change the sex of the boy through surgery, hormone replacement and raise him as a girl. David Reimer was changed into a girl, Brenda.
Money used the identical twin as a matched control and believed that this case would support the biosocial theory. In Money's scientific articles the sex change seemed to be a success but he failed to publish evidence that went against his theory. Brenda (David) was not happy and felt different from the other girls.
At the age of 15 her parents revealed the truth. Brenda decided to become a male again and had reconstructive surgery to create a penis.
Evaluation: This case study seriously questions the biosocial theory that socialization can override biological make-up. In fact, it rather lends support to the theory of hormonal psychosexual differentiation. I really don't see where youre trying to get by referencing this guy
don't be ignorant, once upon a time treating a black man equally was illegal, same goes for gay marriage, we are slowly moving to a SJW world were fucking kids/animals or getting sex changes to become dolphins is all accepted.
it's great that you have a teacher who came out. My gf has a friend who is transgender and her family hates her. But that isn't representative. What is representative are the accounts people put online saying "this is what happened to me"
>>663464012 because environment = society if gender was a social construct, that kid would've been fine. But it isn't, and he wasn't. Do you see the problem.
>>663464926 John Money proposed that we should do away with gender/sex being the same, synonymous term. Personally, I found that his experiment/study did nothing to prove that they should have been. So, yeah. That's what I'm saying.
>>663464540 No it's just sounds more to me like you don't like evidence that supports a dofferent viewpoint than yours.
Ever think that somebodys family could hate them for a different reason other than the fact that they are gay? My sister is a convicted felon, beat my mother and a liar and thief. My family hates her. Maybe your sisters friend is both transgender and an annoying whiny little fuck. I seriously doubt that her parents hate her based solely on her sexual preference.
As for my professor, thankyou for agreeing with me. I know plenty of gay people that I have both worked with and seen hold good jobs because they were good at them. I've also seen plenty of gay AND straight people be unable to hold down a job because they make poor life choices. Stop using your sexual preference as an excuse and step the fuck up in life. I care just as much about your sexual preference as the next person but when you start whining and demanding special treatment I'm gonna treat you like shit because you deserve special treatment just as much as me or the next person. You are not special. I am not special. Nobody is special so expect shit from people in life and expect it to be hard because thats the real world. Nobody cares about your problems not because we hate you but because we have our own problems to worry about. Your life reflects the choices you make and while you may not being able to control everything you do control a pretty god damn large portion so instead of making excuses for yourself and other faggots why don't you work hard and prove to society that you are important just like my professor did. Fuck off
I'm not asking that they get special treatment. I was just saying that they get unfair treatment in certain households and areas in the US. But without being able to objectively prove that it is entirely about their sexual preference/ preferred gender, this conversation is hopeless.
I'm not trying to make excuses for these people. You should already know that gay people get barred from places because of their sexuality. It happens. It ends, but it happens. There are so many communities that don't care. That's what I'm arguing.
And I don't expect you to believe me when I say that it's entirely because she is trans, but that's the fact of the matter.
>>663466079 No you arn't asking that in a blunt way but it's what is implied.
Yes it is very true that no matter which way you look at the situation it is objective and that is the exact point I am trying to make. You objectively think that gay/trans people are opressed and shrug off any evidence that suggests otherwise. On the other hand there and plenty of people who disagree with you and would gladly provide evidence to support otherwise. Never in my life have I once seen somebody get barred from a place for being gay. Never and until I see otherwise I won't believe it. Infact I'm willing to bet you've never seen a gay person get barred from a place for being gay either.
No it's not a "fact" of the matter. You know this person third hand and did not grow up with them to see how they interacted with thier family. Your opnion is subjective. And from all the gay people I have met and personally experienced almost all of them have good relationships with thier parents. But then again I tend to try to keep good people as company. Don't make excuses for your sisters friend. Even if you do, why are you so concerned about it? It's non of your fucking business anyways.
>>663467742 >>663467742 >>663467742 They cake makers have a right to refuse service if their own personal beliefs do not support thier clients. Thats what freedom is. The faggots can stull get a cake from somewhere else Gay people are allowed to get married... Gay people not allowed in church. god doesn't exist anyways. They are better off. It would be pretty hypocritical for a gay person to go to church anyways but none the less you make a valid point. Yes there are some religious people who refuse to support gays. And thats okay. They arn't required to and they never will be in the same way that gay arn't required to support straight people. You could open up a cake shop or a gay church and refuse service to straight people. Thats freedom.
Yeah I thought it was interesting how you said you didn't like my anecdotal evidence and therefore said you don't like (any) anecdotal evidence and then tried to use your own to prove your point.
Sure you or I may not have seen it but it still happens extremly rarely. Ok. I'll admit to that. But you act like it's happens to all gay people 5 fucking times a day. It doesn't it is a mild inconvience at best.
As for your gf friend and thier family. Clearly everything you have heard is biased and anecdotal evidence...... Don't you have a cock to suck or something?
In truth, I have failed, I dropped out of high school. I live with my parents, I've never held a job for more than three months. I spend most of my time unemployed and, when I am employed, I spend my time at work blaming anybody who isn't a white man for all of my failures. I decry all progress in society as "moral decay" because the truth is that as the world moves forward I am getting left behind with my hatred for people who aren't like me. The truth is that I matter less and less to the people I spend all of my time hating, that cuts me to the bone. Increasingly I stand alone, surrounded by people who are dancing and laughing while I spew hatred at them, and you know what really hurts me the most?
Almost none of them care what I say.
There was a day that, by simple virtue of my lineage, I would have been a force, I was feared. People listened to me because I was a member fo the majority, now I am increasingly alone and my relevance has faded. Not due to actions taken by myself or the people like me, but through inaction, other people "them" they have done, they have accomplished, they have improved while I waited for everything to be given to me as it was my father and grandfather. I vote for my father and grandfather's party because they remember a day when it was just ours because it simply was, those days are gone. These freaks are a reminder of my own failure and my rapidly expanding irrelevance. That's why I hate them, there was a day when my inaction was enough, now I am expected to try.
>>663470978 Yes. They are racist or sexist. They have a right to be as long as it doesn't hurt somebody else. It's not illegal to be racist ir sexist. It's illegal to impede the rights of others. Not giving you cake is not impeding your rights. Now on the other hand if you said that I had to respect your beliefs and practices in the same way I had to respect and believe in the practices of communists or Nazi's I bet you would then disagree. I have a right to support who I support and not support who I don't like. The world isn't your little safe space.
>>663454732 >what do you lose from accepting that transgender people exist
The reason that the queer agenda is being forced on people is so that it politically divides people and therefore it is easier for politicians to force through their policies into law. People are at each others throats about gay rights, immigrants, niggers, religion, you name it all these issues are blown up to exaggerated proportions so that the minority vote gets forced on the majority. Political correctness is not really a device to unite people it is a device by which the policy makers divide and rule
if they were doing it on the basis of race it'd be illegal. if on the basis of sexual orientation, it's not illegal yet, but there's a bill in the house & senate called the equality act
the federal civil rights act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. places of “public accommodation” include hotels, restaurants, theaters, banks, health clubs and stores. nonprofit organizations such as churches are generally exempt from the law.
the right of public accommodation is also guaranteed to disabled citizens under the americans with disabilities act, which prohibits discrimination by private businesses based on disability.
the federal law does not prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation, so gays are not a protected group under the federal law. however, about 20 states, including new york and california, have enacted laws that prohibit discrimination in public accommodations based on sexual orientation.
>>663472162 Yeah and your orginal arguement was all based on church related activities. Seperation of church and state baby. Get used to it. As for a resturant or anything else how is somebody gonna even know you are gay unless you start telling everybody and start putting dick shaped things in your ass? As I have said before nobody cares if you are gay. There are no resturants refusing service to you. Yet you whine about it like it's the end of the world. Personally I don't care of the law gets passed. Do you know why? Because literally nothing would change in my life or your life. Infact my life would better better because it would give you faggots one less thing to needlessly bitch about. But I know you will probably still bitch about it anyways. You'd all start saying stupid gay shit like "Anon, did you know if was illegal for gays to eat before 2016?" (Insert gayer lisp here) "Wow, we were so oppressed"
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