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>>663425615 Make realistic goals, make short term goals that lead up to the main goal and improve situation. Also psychiatric help and medication. Cognitive behavior therapy. Exercise and avoiding caffeine and alcohol. Enter social situations and try to create friends or a social circle. Meditate. Sleep at least 8 hours a night. Take care of hygiene and dress nicely.
>>663426787 I choose music because i am depressed not by circumstance or any thing that happened to me.
I feel like this because I realized that there is no meaning to life, beyond "make your own purpose man", and that soul-crushing existential feeling is what plagues me, not sadness nor anger just a horrid feeling of knowing that life is an one way journey to oblivion, knowing that the universe doesn't care about you or anything, knowing that there is no God.
That is really what killed it for me, after spending almost 10 years a "changed man" because Jesus saved me or whatever I just couldn't do it anymore, I got up and realized that I only agreed with my parents religion because I wanted them to be happy and I really wanted to believe. Then I found out my dad too was an atheist and that he had spent a very long time studying religions trying to find something to stick to and only finally landed on Buddhism because it accepted the impermanence of everything but I could never get into it.
>>663427513 >>663427938 Rig up an automatic shotgun, or some gun-mechanism that shoots you repeatedly in the head. Most gun suicides fail because they hit the wrong part of the brain. You can ensure success by completely destroying the brain with multiple shots and, if you can pull it off, multiple angles. Also make sure to use slugs, not buck/bird shot. The slugs will definitely penetrate the skull.
>>663428492 Edgelord pls. It doesn't work like that. How does seeing the homeless make you feel better about having a home? The beggar might still be happier than you if you are fucked in the head. It's probably just some delusional shit you keep thinking to keep yourself afloat.
>>663428117 I deal with depression pretty regularly, and breakdown wouldn't be the word. I don't know if he has depression, or what he intended to say there. The episodes of depression just make it hard to be productive.
I just feel tired, and numb... frequently. It is more of a melancholy that can be more or less enjoyable or tolerable from day to day.
>>663427644 I struggle with depression so actually I do know what it does. These are solutions that aren't suicide or rotting away as a recluse. Feel free to choose how you want to live the rest of your life though
>>663428219 For clinical depression, you must have five or more of the following symptoms over a two-week period, most of the day, nearly every day. At least one of the symptoms must be either a depressed mood or a loss of interest or pleasure. Signs and symptoms may include:
Depressed mood, such as feeling sad, empty or tearful (in children and teens, depressed mood can appear as constant irritability) Significantly reduced interest or feeling no pleasure in all or most activities Significant weight loss when not dieting, weight gain, or decrease or increase in appetite (in children, failure to gain weight as expected) Insomnia or increased desire to sleep Either restlessness or slowed behavior that can be observed by others Fatigue or loss of energy Feelings of worthlessness, or excessive or inappropriate guilt Trouble making decisions, or trouble thinking or concentrating Recurrent thoughts of death or suicide, or a suicide attempt
I feel empty and worthless in the face of an uncaring world devoid of any God. About a week ago I tried to hang myself but failed because the branch I tied to rope to was too high so I had to untie myself and then go home. But really this isn't something I think I need to justify to anyone, but I will say that I am not trying to devalue the idea of depression if anything I would be classified as mildly depressed.
How's your day? You listening to any music in particular?
>>663428970 Maybe, but it's all I can do most of the time to keep it together in everyday life. I feel like I'm constantly fighting back tears, and I don't want to get help because then I become "that guy" and things will just get worse because then I don't have a network to rely on.
>>663428510 Tried hanging myself. >There's a forest area near my house, about 30 minute walk >I ran there because I knew if I walked I might talk myself out of it >Haphazardly tied the extension cord I brought to use as a rope around a branch that was hanging above a creek >Tied it around my neck and as I finished the branch I was standing on broke, this is ok >Branch was too low, fell and got mild burns on my neck from that fall as the only thing to catch me was the cord >Cord branch was tied to was too low >I stood there >I untied myself >I just listened to some music will sitting in the creek for a couple hours waiting for something cathartic to happen >nothing >I've been listening to music ever since
>>663429197 See, you don't look all that depressed now, just 'down'. >I'm so depressed It triggers me. It's disrespectful towards people actually suffering from depression. >omg I'm so saaad and hopeless send me to the hospital Shit ain't working like that.
I used to have depression, but I just sorta.. stopped giving a damn about it. Stop caring. Stop the self loathing and pity. Live slow, die whenever.
Depression is not necessarily sadness. Just void. Because when you are sad you feel, and deelimg remimds you that you are alive. And there is no happiness either. What made you feel happy before depression no longer serves its purpose. And you are not convinced you are alive. At first I felt really fucking sad and it was too much to handle. Sometimes i cried in public places and did my best to hide it cause it was too fucking much. Then the sadness just stabilised and I became accustomed to it. Then i didn't feel at all. Just a corpse without the guts to fully end it. And yeah, i sometimes get that feeling back. And it's not bad. Cause I got through it once, now i am more immune to it. And i just welcome it. These kind of things are xp points. In the long run, you will end up remembering this. And you will smile. You can do it. Either by death or life, what you are feeling has a short life
>>663428472 The first step is realizing you are on a bad path and an outside force is needed to bump you in anther direction. I don't mean a dysfunctional unhealthy relationship or something, more like, be aware that you are actually depressed and seek professional help.
>>663429197 Not that anon, but you should listen to some phil ochs. He was riddled with horrible depression add will but produced wonderful music. The bells and highway man are my favorites. He even sung with John Lennon.
I have been having real bad depression recently, to the point where I can't sleep. What helps me get to sleep and forget about it is I will take about 10 benadryl and chug about a quarter bottle of nyquil. Gets me to sleep and I forget about the depression for a few days then I start all over again.
>>663428510 I nearly overdosed on sleeping pills and whiskey. Woke up alone covered in vomit a day and a half later alone and unnoticed. Surviving is sad and shameful. It made things worse than before for certain.
A lot of listening to this album and trying to avoid drugs. I easily fall in love with girls because i get a surge of happiness at the thought of not being miserable. I realized it was not healthy and i would probably be more miserable than ever when i got out of the relationship so now i try to avoid my feelings. Smoked weed once but regretted it because of how i felt after the good feeling was over. Depression is going to fuck you up my friend. Boxing has helped me a lot though, you should try it or lifting
>>663428625 Careful. Take it easy. I get real happy before I get real sad. Don't stop doing the positive things that got you to a good place. Stay in touch with everyone while your happy and reach out before yo slip back
>>663425615 Get a regular sleeping pattern Do some exercise, even just a walk Accept that it will always be a part of you and you will have lower periods but work out the best ways to manage it and spot the signs you're slipping and take preventative measures
>>663429884 I understand what you are saying man but I think the problem here is that even when you are just 'down' it is so easy to get lost in that mindset and allow yourself to think that this is simply reality now.
>>663431147 I personally am attracted to the fact that we are alone and there is nothing out there. It makes everything less serious. And emptiness and darkness appeals to me... just to swim in infinity... pure harmony, ya kno?
>>663431147 It's nice to live a lie, ignorance is bliss. But the sad thing is there is not meaning, not purpose in life. Nothing will matter because we will die.it doesn't matter to be remembered. We are nothing.life or death is the same.
I just keep it to myself and pretend it's not there. If someone asks me how I'm doing, the answer is always good. I play a lot of addicting games like runescape, or skyrim, or wow, you know, shit you can never really beat , and get lost in shit like youtube or music
>>663431542 Existentialism is pussy tier shit. >omg waaah nobody forced any meaning upon my existence Make up your own meaning, idiot. You are your own boss, although a really, really shitty one if you suffer major depressive disorder.
>>663425615 I don't know anon but I'd love to figure out how to
I tried alcohol but that just made me hate myself
I tried buying things, but they're all just temporary distractions
I don't know where to go or what to do, so I go to work and do my job then come home and sleep. I only come out to get food or go to work. Nothing interests me anymore, and recently I've been longing for the person that help put me down here.
>>663432541 Why would you kill yourself? It's not very depression-esque. Bipolar on the other hand... Just wait out your live. You will still die. >b-but things are getting worse How exactly? You're being tortured in 'nam?
>>663432649 I'm talking about objective meaning. Of course you can be happy making your own meaning. There are happy workaholics and their jobs makes them happy, others get happiness by helping each other, others making mlney..etc
>>663431836 I don't want anyone to kill themselves. I'm just pointing some objective facts. Life is nothing compared to the infinite of voidness that waits to us then we die. I don't killmyself because I'm gonna die anyways and I have some things t
>>663432784 >>663432856 Im not sad. Im OK, im just kind of lazy. In life there is only chaos. I death, peace and harmony. I just dont feel like living anymore. When i die i wont even miss life. Then, why live it? And my life is pretty good. Family, great friends, studying, healthy... still. I just dont feel like i want to go through the trouble of life I am so attracted by death, by infinite bliss
>>663433357 You could have that "infinite bliss" in a brain in a vat scenario. Death isn't infinite bliss, it's just fucking nothing. You wouldn't even have the mind to appreciate this fact, let alone find peace.
>>663425615 Alcohol and burrying my feelings until I snap and lose my shit Just found out my older brother is thinking about suicide again, he attempted once before 2 years ago. He's only 10months older. I grow emptier everyday.
>>663433581 Then you don't really want to die. To be fair, few people actually do. Anyway, that's one of the foolproof ways that a civilian could do it. But if you want to do this the fun way, become the Punisher. Your odds of staying alive just get lower and lower the more you "punish."
>>663430004 Paraxoctine is a shit tier AD maine, from own experience. I highly suggest anyone to just seek professional help , as mentioned before, psychologist and psychiatrist. In that order. An constructive effort is in my opinion vital, supplements won't fix a broken mind.
>>663433934 Of course. But the last seconds of life are indeed pure bliss. And that's the last you feel. Then you feel nothing. And the last thing you feel.... I wouldn't know how to explain. I somehow know that death is balance. Harmony. >>663434303 I dont want to live either
You know what i really want? To just walk into a forest. Walk and walk and walk until i get tired and lie down and let life pass by, slowly, peacefully, enjoying every single one of my last minutes. Because there is peace there. And then, nothing. The vpid is peaceful. The abyss is balance. It's not warm or cold. It's not light or dark. Just nothing And nothing is good.
>>663434952 That can be edited out too. Not compulsorily, obviously. They would choose to be in that reality anyway, so they'd edit themselves to be the best thing ever, and that includes enjoying this life to the fullest. Funny how all the existentialist bullshit gets taken apart when you are immortal and have everything you could possibly want, even a custom made you.
>>663434845 True. You can feel bliss. It's just so fucking uncommon. I only feel bliss when i am alone in nature. I just stop feeling human. I just feel i am. End of it. I feel part of it. I feel part of the whole. I dont feel pain. I dont feel anything. Just peace. Hard to describe. Call me what you want. Its how i feel.
>>663435168 Fuck all that bullshit. Embrace the chaos, try to enjoy it while you still got it. The best sleep you can ever get is when you've tired yourself out before hand. Much more restful that way.
>>663425615 I used to think the best way to deal with depression would be to stay on 4chan, drink, smoke two packs a day and take drugs like it aint no thing. I dont know why i thought that, thats bullshit. I grew the fuck up and realised if i wanted things to be different i'd have to get up and change them because they weren't changing themselves. I started working out, working harder to find employment, stopped smoking and all that sucked. A year later though i have a 10/10 girlfriend i love to bits, i have my health and overall i have a good life.
Don't want to be depressed? do something, or shut the fuck up about it.
>>663435662 That's a flow state. It happens when you become ultra focused on something. Try finding a hobby that engages you like this. If you could find good days in the past, then you can find them again. Live to discover those moment all over again.
>>663435171 Any short lived happiness I experience does nothing but bring me to a further height to fall from, I hate it just as much as the sadness. The only way to stop feeling bad is to stop feeling good. Thus, to stop feeling.
>>663435662 (Samefag) I don't think it's a human feeling. I think that's how animals feel. They just feel they are and keep on going.
Ah fuck.... and normally when i see deer running around in the forests i just feel so happy. So full... to see life that lives by its own, in its own little world, innocent... i fucking love deer. Their mindless, childlike eyes just make me cry out of happiness and sadness (because im not with them). And it's so hsrd to get. Humans have destroyed this earth. I am from a green and wild country. But i live in a yellow, arid country now. And it makes me feel so bad.. I just feel i NEED to die when i come here from home.
>>663436083 That's the riddle of the mind. You're psychological and physical makeup changes constantly, but "you" are still there to experience things. Complicated shit, but I'd like to think that even if I changed some aspects of my personality, I'd still be the one experiencing things.
>>663437087 Good question. I'm a Materialist, or so damn close to one that I can't really tell the difference, so I think I am just the chemical and electrical goings on of my brain. So, yeah, I guess I'm just a meat machine responding to outside input and evolutionary programming.
About a decade or so ago I dealt with clinical depression for a number of years previous to that time. After reading an obscure article in a well known medical journal that seems to have received zero acclaim or even attention then, or even now, I found that it was determined at that time that 91-97% of people suffering from clinical depression had low to insufficient levels of magnesium in their bodies.
I immediately went to the local pharmacy chain, bought magnesium supplements and began taking them regularly with my other supplements and can honestly say I have not felt depressed since
The amazing part is if you knew my life in its entirety you'd think there is absolutely no reason this guy shouldn't be depressed ("old," no gf, no friends, regularly makes grammatical errors in posts, etc), but I am not now, nor have I been after about a week of steady intake of magnesium supplements, depressed since that time.
You can't od on magnesium
They are low cost
They require NO SUBSCRIPTION
They are not addictive
They do not react adversely with other vitamins or medications.
Get off of the prescribed meds (even if only for a few weeks to try this out), fuck the pharmaceutical corps in their asses and get on with your life without being restrained and degenerated by drugs that might temporarily "fix" your depression but will cause a host of other problems and expenses.
Seriously, the machine does not want you to be independently healthy. There is no profit in it for them, but this is YOUR LIFE. Take hold of it and deny any and all forms of slavery that are imposed, indoctrinated, or manipulated upon YOUR LIFE.
>>663427452 >Enter social situations and try to create friends or a social circle Why? What is the point? >Meditate. Why? What is the point? >Take care of hygiene and dress nicely. Why? What is the point?
You do understand it is all completely and utterly pointless? It's just that non-depressed people can delude themselves into thinking their pointless pursuits have meaning. Life is a blind biological process that is devoid of all and any meaning. That is why people convert to religions, for the comfort of the delusion that life would have meaning that transcends biology.
"Hi, depressed guy, I would recommend some delusion for you. OK bye."
>>663437629 You are the only one to be sure to have consciousness. That's the only truth. You can't really know if others have it. Your existence is so different from others... when you walk in the streets, you see people. You are the only one who is sure to have consciousness. The others could be bots. I myself am just text on a screen to you. I could just be a robot. You can't really tell.
>>663438153 True, but they sure look like they have minds. I mean, from a strictly logical standpoint, you're right. I could be the only one actually "awake", but I get better practical results from my life if I go off the assumption that they are actually there. Not only that but they mirror even my own private thoughts. Hard to conceive of a thoughtless machine doing to that.
realize nothing matters want and hope breed disappointment and sadness, do not want anything.expect the worst to happen if you do not want anything it is impossible to deny you. you can set goals,but expect the worse. look at your universe from the outside,your life is just how you perceive the universe. happiness is the light and sadness is the shadow.the shadow cannot exist without the light. cast your wants and hopes away and accept reality.its blissful tbh
>>663438620 No other animal landed on the moon either. Or built as much as a simple spear. >not even fucking wheels Although I'm sure some understand the concept of 'rolling' >dubs get
>no animal landed on the moon tbh fam I'm not even sure. Maybe we sent some there. I don't know. It wasn't a lack of consciousness that brought us where we are; and it has the (very remote) potential to take us further.
don't drink OP it will only numb the pain not heal it. Just try to be grateful for everything is all I can tell you. Most people can't even eat or walk when they want to. Just be happy with what you have and make the most of yourself .
>>663439255 Like I said, not much brainpower in most animals but us. The very idea of gambling might just be beyond their feeble minds, just as suicide due to depression might be. But many do take stupid risks for personal benefit.
I've been deppressed, with suicidal thinking etc... The only thing that you need to do, even if it's hard to hear is to get your fucking shit together. Depression is one of the result of our brainless society. The fact that some people here tried to get better by BUYING more stuff is the best exemple. I think that depression is literaly the result of your mind realizing that you don't have any value. Do not forget that i'm saying this KNOWING that at some point in my life i was worth nothing. So the best way to go out of this is to be someone valuable at least to yourself. 1. Stop lying, to others and to yourself If you want to do something do it now or accept the fact that you're not going to do it. 2. Stop wasting you're time Dont hang out with people you don't like and stop being what you're not. If you stay at home every movie or video that you're watching need to have a sense to you. If not you're wasting your time. 3. Find some things to do If possible more than one occupation so you'll not feel like a no life.
And then if you're feeling a bit stable, learn to enjoy your own compagny through reflexion. For exemple i draw, walk and do bicycle for this. Because in life you will most of the time be alone and if you can transform your time alone in something as cool as time with someone you love, well i think you're good.
Last tip : don't forget that a change in your life isn't "bad" or "good", you're making bad or good so don't let any change break you. And I think that in some case, entheogen can be very helpful, see psyched substance on youtube, he talks about it in a very accesible way.
>>663439667 Yeah, chimps are pretty much just a step down the intelligence chain from us, and they are a great reminder why we are only special in that we are the best of what's already out there, namely intelligence.
>>663439667 Made me lol, almost Satan. The more intelligent animals engage in some but very limited too use, they never truly manufacture something, though.
>>663439643 'Brainpower' is a bit of a loaded term, since it disagrees with the idea we are slaves to our brain chemistry. But certainly, 'intelligence' is what sets us apart. We're not strictly physical formidable individually. Especially not on 4chan.
>>663439756 >The fact that some people here tried to get better by BUYING more stuff is the best exemple. Are you talking about me? How do you know? Fucking psychics, man. It sort of works, though. At least as long as you keep buying stuff.
>>663440024 By brainpower I mean the traditional hallmarks of intelligence, like the ability to think of a problem from different perspectives, or even just think of a problem, how much you can remember, how fast you can trace a logical train of thought, or just straight up think. Kind of like having a better cpu in your computer: it's all physical, and the computer isn't necessarily "smarter", just better equipped, and hence able to run more taxing and complicated software i.e. thoughts.
>>663425615 Used to smoke weed to escape it but turns out my mind wanders even more so when on weed and had a mind breaking trip. (Not from the weed more my own thoughts.) Thought my life was pointless. Went on antidepressants and fucked myself up more. Picked up a girlfriend that genuinely cares for me for the first time and helped me get off the antidepressants and deal with my problems from where I was raped many years ago by an upperclassman. Fast forward 3 years and we got married. Half a year later we built a gaming PC. Fast forward 5 months and we hit 4 years of being together and fast forward another 2 weeks and you've got me right now. Still have panic attacks here and there. Flashbacks and shit but we manage to get through. I recommend trying to find something to do to distract you from the pain at points. Music, games, anything. That's what I do now.
>>663440463 That's not really true. Black Holes are pretty expensive because they are a solid investment, very heavy and very hazardous. Additionally there is not an equal amount of certain atoms on the whole. Some are a lot more rare in the universe than others. That means energy is worth something, as well. Your electricity bill is not in vain. Electrons are pretty cheap, though, and technically you only borrow them.
>>663425615 1. Torture animals then give a homeless person $50 2. Lose touch with what is good or bad then depression will no longer exist. 3. Lose empathy for others because it's an unnecessary burden in your life 4. Become a sociopath. Don't give zero fucks. It's liberating as fuck.
>>663440669 How exactly would that work chemically anyways. The whole idea of abstract thinking being down to chemistry is ridiculous. If anything it's down to the way our neurons connect. And that's already more complex than binary computers and computing. If anything we are an relatively advanced biological computer.
I've spent the last two years feeling like a hollowed out ghoul. There have been nice, empowering moments within that, but the bulk of it has been spent needlessly worrying and thinking negatively about my past, my current circumstances and physical appearance. I'm aware that I have only myself to blame for these thoughts, because I believe only the vulnerable allow themselves to be influenced or controlled by them. I know that I have to strengthen my mentality and develop a more realistic and self-supportive mindset. The thing is, despite acknowledging these things as what they are, I'm unable to break free of burdensome negative thought patterns. I wake up with a storm cloud over my head, just like many of you do, and carry this around in my days trying too hard to control the anxiety. Don't get me wrong; I'm not that guy that walks around moping with a pessimistic attitude being a dick to people all the time - I try to make an active effort to be courteous, compassionate and understanding to those I interact with. I give my best efforts towards maintaining a composed and relaxed appearance, but I'm sure my negative thoughts reflect both in my eyes and facial expressions. However, I still feel trapped in this cage I built myself. Many of you may call me a fag, but at least one of you feels me on this shit.
I want to defeat this shit, and take back my mind so that I can become a better communicator in both social and professional settings, and grow closer to my mother by nurturing the bond I have worked hard to strengthen with her. They say to fake confidence and self-certainty until the fantasy becomes reality, but what do you do if you've spent years as a recluse throwing mental haymakers at yourself?
How do I regain control of my thoughts?
>tl;dr >be socially awkward, anxiety having recluse >constantly beat self up >mind usually in the gutters >be longing for self-improvement >what do
>>663440463 Yeah but have you seen cats killing themself because they don't do things that have value. No. I'm just trying to help. For me depression doesn't really make sense anymore. I'm bipolar but every time i'm in a bad phase it's less long and less intense. And I think that this is the result of following what i'm saying in the other post. About the value of things, I draw in my Free time, I do not consider myself a good drawer and I do not sell what i do. But I Find it really good for my psyche to draw from time to time and every drawing that I make has à lot of value to me. And this is what matters.
>>663441503 Everything is the laws of physics playing themselves out. bruh. If you don't get played by physics you're not physically real. >minds Are not physically real and consequently not physically played out. All these things in out heads don't exist. Not physically. Physically they are just a mesh of neurons and electricity.
But this only empowers the thing, the mind. Physics are some limiting factor, but the mind itself goes well beyond the deterministic horizon of physics. We humans have made a bit of a sport of defeating physics - the deterministic world. Humans aren't meant to fly but we still do. Not because of physics I tell you. >although also because of it It's hard to keep these things seperated. Naturally the plane is physical and flies by physical rules. But physics did not build that plane.
I have class in 7 hours, and I think I should spend some of that time sleeping.
I admire your belief in freewill, in spite of not having anything concrete to base it on. Also I try to pretend I really do have it. Studies find that if people accept that they don't have freewill they start acting antisocially.
Anyway, I enjoyed this rambling discussion. Hope the rest of your life is filled with joy, peace, and love. Goodnight.
>>663442582 Why would you care about death if you are dead, anyways? The whole thing is mind numbing. If you are about or destined to die then I can tell you: you will die and afterwards you will be dead. You will not be giving two shits.
This is the outcome to everything.
Killing yourself is like getting off the rollercoaster because it will stop. You're doing it wrong.
>>663441264 I can relate, bro. I'm here for you. Just be yourself. Do what makes you feel happy. Because it's impossible to be happy by being someone you are not. You'll only find instability there. And don't rely too much on social affairs. It's not that important. Do you have friends? A good number is three good friends. Stay with them. And remember not to care about what anyone thinks. They really don't give a fuck about you. Just like you don't give a fuck about them. Anxiety takes energy from you. Go to the gym, and when you come home, you won't have enoigh energy to be anxious. Excercise can really help. Trust me.
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