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ABORTION:
So /b/ why should the mother be allowed to abort a baby/fetus/whatever the fuck when she was not raped or he doesn't threatens her life?
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>>663050004
because fuck babies man

have you every dealt with little kids? i sometimes question why it's legal to have them
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>>663050220
you can always just give them to adoption or throw them in the garbage can
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She's the one that has to push the bastard out, so she should decide whether to abort it.
Similarly, if the guy doesn't want it, he shouldn't be expected to raise/support it since it was never his choice to keep it.
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>>663050004
Because this fucking planet doesn't need anymore pollution. We're too many already.
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>>663050004
it's your body its your choice. I have no patience for these clown who keep trying to force their high morals down everyone's throat
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>>663050220
/thread
>>663050401
why go through all the pain of childbirth? that vagina can split open to her anus, and her stomach will look like a bowl of dough for years, plus all the crazy hormonal shit for 9 months.
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>>663050488
except it isn't, it's another person or at least soon to be, pretty stupid to say a baby is part of your body.
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>>663050488
while I agree with you, it brings up an interesting point. if the fetus/baby is part of the mother's body, doesn't that mean that 50% of the time, a pregnant woman has a dick?
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>>663050430
>Similarly, if the guy doesn't want it, he shouldn't be expected to raise/support it since it was never his choice to keep it.
It was his choice splooge in a fertile female
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>>663050564
well maybe use condoms or one of the hundreds of birth control methods? just throwing it out there
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>>663050004
Because, niggers can't hold a lot of limes.
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>>663050488
>I have no patience for people who aren't immature babies like me.

All I hear, bro
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>>663050633
are they paying rent? what about damages to the structure after they move out?
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>>663050838
well do you know your shitty tenants?
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>>663050713
As it was her choice to get splooged in, by that logic she shouldn't be allowed to abort it if he wants it.
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>>663050721
yeah no shit. and in the event that birth control or condoms fail, because nothing short of abstinence is 100% fool proof, why would you go through a fucking pregnancy? inb4 religion
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>>663050948
kill*
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>>663050004
Because human sexuality has evolved to be about way more than just reproduction. Various human cultures have used sex as a way of enforcing pair bonding, as dominance, as rite of passage, etc. Consent to sex is not the same as willingness to raise a human being.

At the same time, humans are so advanced that all human lives should be voluntary brought into the world. The woman's right not to be pregnant is how we've framed the debate in America, but really the more important argument is that unwilling mothers are often very shitty single mothers that are likely to raise broken children.
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>>663050633
again, this is what I mean. I have no fucking idea at what stage the feteus becomes a baby all I'm saying is that it should be available and accessible by all those who need it.
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>>663050982
if it weren't for the fact IT FUCKING GROWS INSIDE OF HER AND ESCAPES BY TEARING OPEN HER VAGINA
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>>663050004
A better question is, why does a father have to pay support when the courts have stripped him of any rights to have a say in it?
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>>663051142
Or the fact that IT FUCKING TAKES DECADES OF CARE, MONEY AND EFFORT TO SUPPORT

But yeah, coming out of a vagina takes priority. The guy should totally be locked into a lifelong obligation against his will.
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My parents raised me in a very conservative settings, and I had it ingrained in me that abortion was evil. Naturally as I got older, I did my own thing. First gf I hooked up with was convinced she was pregnant at one point, and holy shit did that change my perspective. I would have paid a mexican with a shopvac to take care of the problem. Thankfully it was a false alarm, but I am in full favor of vaporizing the little fuckers.
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I wish an asian guy would splooge in my wife. I often get a dick like diamonds thinking about waking up every day, seeing that asian faced baby that isn't mine. I want to wear a maids outfit like a true cuck, and baby sit while she cheats on me.

The white race is finished. I want my wife to breed asian men.
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>>663051074
>>663051027
So because a person doesn't want the baby should we just kill it? "Oh well i guess i'm pregnant , better kill this baby :)"
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Alright, people who are for abortion have to admit that they are for the killing of an underdeveloped prehuman collection of matter. In short a baby. Which is what I'm for, totally do that.
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>>663050004
Because it has no effect on your life at all. If she wants to go to your imaginary hell that's her choice with separation of church and state. Killing a fetus is not the same as killing a baby. Fetus is 100% dependent on the mother.
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>>663050004
This shit happens when you stop beating your wife and let her out of the kitchen >>663050401
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>>663051326
>>663051142
yeah yeah, have i mentioned adoption and there are plenty of surgeries that make birth painless
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>>663050838
Are you paying rent? Basement dweller
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>>663051473
I would stab most babies for the first 3 years of their life, who gives a shit if it happens while inside. Not being an edgyfag, just really really don't like kids.
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>>663051383
Nobody takes your advice, Shlomo.
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>>663051517
A fetus may be 100% dependant on the mother's body, but that doesn't make it part of it and it also doesn't make it OK to kill it
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>>663051392
Yes, we should kill unwanted babies, because it is cheaper than nurturing the unwanted youths they become, and more ethical than punishing the unwanted adults they end up as.
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>>663050401
yeah but then the body of your hot wife will get fucked up, and it's easier to abort than to wait all the pregnancy
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>>663051849
Does it make it ok to push her down the stairs and let God decide?
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>>663051326
if you don't want to pay for a kid, don't shoot your load into a fertile female who wants a kid. it's pretty fucking simple, there's literally no excuse to run out on your responsibilities as a man like some hood nigger and leave your flesh and blood to fend for itself.
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>>663051916
Right, it's more ethical to kill someone than let them live their lives
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>>663051392
(Not that guy) Well yes, the women got pregnant doing what she wanted with her body, its kinda unfair to make a women go through a tremendous amount of pain to bring something into the world that will just be unloved.
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>>663051392
fetus* you fucking baptist
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>>663051967
You tell me, as i said i'm not religious
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>>663052036
Just because she made a mistake*******
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>>663050004

because the more unwanted fetuses we abort the less fucking retards grow up to post shit like this on the internet
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>>663051849
>a tumor may be 100% dependant on a patient's body, but that doesn't make it part of it and it also doesn't make it OK to kill it
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>>663051972
And if she lies to you about being on the pill?
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I want a tranny to shove his toes up my ass and butt fuck me, then slap my face over and over with his dick. I want him to cum right on my tongue, so the white paste settles evenly over the whole tongue before I swallow that delicious load of cum right out of a trannys penis.
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>>663051643
yes, not all of us here are 15
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>>663052173
More?
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>>663051392
sure why not? it's not like it's any smarter than a piece of cattle
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>>663052003
Yes, it is more ethical to kill a child than to let it be fucked up by an irresponsible or unready parent. You are pretty slow, you know? I bet you believe that all people are created equal.
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>>663052003
I don't know if its up to you to decide if an unborn child is a "person"
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>>663052314
Fine by me, just don't pretent it's something else.
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>>663052168
then you were dumb enough to stick your dick in crazy, and will reap the consequences. c'est la vie
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>>663050004
It reduces the amount of violent crime. Seriously, hand out free abortions to minorities and we'd probably cut violent crime by ANOTHER 60%.
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>>663051972
>Doesn't know that condoms don't always work
>Doesn't know what "accident" means
>Doesn't know that even a vasectomy doesn't always work
>Doesn't know
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>>663052460
You're just blaming the victim at that point. That's fucked up.
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>>663052669
Maybe you should have the fucking kid if you did all this things and the bitch still got pregnant
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>>663052460
>it's always the guy's fault and he always has the responsibility

>>>/tumblr/
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>>663052003
So if you were on a battlefield and your friend had been shot and wasn't going to make it through and asked you to end his pain now, lest he fall into the hands of the enemies and be tortured or slowly bleed out on the battlefield, you'd refuse on ethical grounds? Either way would be understandable, just wondering where you land?
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>>663052669
>doesn't know that life doesn't work out the way you want it to, and if you fucked a chick who doesn't agree with abortion then you just have to be a big boy and deal with the consequences
doesn't know.
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>>663052829
That's actually kinda funny. A bad argument but I appreciate the humor.
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>>663052460
A set of the most idiotic arguments if seen in a while....
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>>663052912
No i wouldn't because he ASKED me, see the difference?
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>>663050004
You DO realize that a fetus does not feel anything at all, right? For several weeks it does not have a brain nor any system capable of suffering.

And please don't do this:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Great_Beethoven_fallacy
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>>663052826
>muh victim
>dindu nuffin
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>>663053036
That's not the point, the points is you're ending someone's life on a wimp (like or not the fetus will be a baby soon), now i have no PROBLEMS with that just don't come to me saying it's the mothers body and all that crap.
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>>663050004
I am all for left-leaning women getting abortions. You just know that those poor babies would grow up in hell, and someday vote socialist.
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>>663053016
Sounds like your dad ran out on you and it's impacted your views kiddo.
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>>663050004
She needs to be able to abort the baby to make room for the Islamic dick that will eventually rape her. This is how feminist breed!

The only baby worth keeping to a feminist comes from the penis of an Islamic sand nigger. When they are raped, they know the sand nigger is absolutely innocent and feminism cancels itself out. The muslim is the victim in every case. They must submit and wear the veil, simply because...

Feminism is a trojan horse for Islam!
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>>663053016
>Doesn't know how green text works.
I'm just making a point. Exactly what you just said can also be said for abortion. You're also assuming that the woman can't just change her mind later, and the man has absolutely no say when the women gets all the say because she changed her mind.
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>>663053468
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Because life isn't precious. We send people off to die everyday here in Murica, we gas cats by the dozens if they don't get adopted, and we hire people to come and kill all the bugs in our houses. Whoever said life is precious is a fucking retard. Life is life, death is death what difference does it make?
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>>663050004
murderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderermurderer
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>>663053433
I grew up without my father and even I think it'd be retarded to force him into this based on the whims of the woman.
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>>663053659
I don't care if some nigger kills her baby, the problem is she saying it was just a clump of sells and comparing with a tumor whe it obviously it isn't
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>>663053278
Society has invested a great deal of time and energy and money into even the most fucked up 15 year old mom. All that effort is wasted if she contributes nothing but another empty mouth to society.

The mother's right to her own body is more important than the child's right to exist, because the child is nearly worthless and completely replaceable, whereas the mother has at least some value as a working-age adult human being.

Similarly, even if she makes bad choices and decides to keep a child she ought not to, we are better of respecting that because judging which parents are "too bad to reproduce" is inherently biased and open for insane abuse.

The only ethical solution is voluntary abortion.
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>>663050004
my body my rules
> top kek
> men with exposed erections everywhere
my body my rules!
> shitting in the streets
> it's natural
my body my rules!
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>>663053076
And another thing. A girl who changes her mind afterwards isn't crazy. In fact, she's sane enough to change her mind, which is a very hard thing to do for even simple matters, let alone life altering ones. Then we're punishing the man for having a condom break in an open-minded, perfecrly lucid woman.
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Why do you honestly care what some dumb bitch does with her dumb baby? Do you really think Sally in Oregon who wants to ditch her baby should be stopped because you're not okay with it? Not yo baby not yo choice loser.
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Non-lifesaving late term abortions are retarded. We can pretty much all agree on that. Consider that babies have been born premature and survived four months early. If you could take it out and keep it alive as a baby, then taking it out while vacuuming its brains up with a tube, then you know exactly what you're doing.

Similarily, banning early-term abortions of unthinking fetuses is retarded. All those right-wing fags howling about government power, but then they're so eager to strip freedoms when sex is involved.
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>>663054103
Well that's not the argument being made by feminists, if it was i'm all for abortion,
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>>663053278
The fetus is NOT someone, that's a semantic trap. The fetus can't experience any type of sentience. The point is that you can do whatever you like with a fetus, because it's a thing and not an organism with a mind (such as an adult human or any adult complex animal).

Have you read this article?
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/12/issue-essay-line-dawkins

>"There are those who cannot distinguish a 16-cell embryo from a baby. They call abortion murder, and feel righteously justified in committing real murder against a doctor – a thinking, feeling, sentient adult, with a loving family to mourn him. The discontinuous mind is blind to intermediates. An embryo is either human or it isn’t. Everything is this or that, yes or no, black or white. But reality isn’t like that."
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>>663050004
Because we have an overpopulation problem as it is, and I really don't care. If the fetus/baby can't sustain itself outside of the mother's body, it's not anymore "alive" than a parasite, and sure as hell doesn't deserve all of the rights of an already-born human being.
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As >>663051351 says, this is the god damn issue. No one who is against abortion could possibly be envisioning themselves in the position of having nothing and be facing the burden of a baby. Having legal and safe abortion procedures available for the general public hurts no one. Your life is no shittier because a clump of cells was removed from a womans uterus. When abortion was illegal it did not stop it from happen, the procedures were life threatening to women, and many attempted to perform abortions themselves and died as the result. So "pro-lifers" shut the fuck up, get your heads out of your asses, and fight for a cause that actually matters in this world.
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>>663054136
POO
IN
LOO
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>>663054326
Holy shit a sensible person on 4chan! Hide! They're gonna eat you alive!
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>>663054429
So you're sayings: It's not a human YET, so it's fine to suck it off your body just because you didn't feel like carrying it. Ok i understand and disagree,
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>>663050004
from a biological perspective? It is no more than a cluster of cells, not unlike any organ in your body and it doesn't have a consciousness or a heart beat up until 4 weeks of pregnancy. Therefore, you can choose which organs you want to extract - a zygote is no exception to this rule.

From a moral perspective? Why subject a life to 80 years (or whatever the average lifespan is now) of torment and torture as a result of your inability to provide healthcare, education, and other basic necessary privileges - when you can choose to terminate it when it neither has a consciousness or pain receptor neurons to even be able to feel any pain?

Who exactly is it that one does an injustice to when they choose to abort a child? It sure as shit isn't the "baby", because it doesn't even have a perception of its existence or pain for that matter, and it's not the parents either since they want it. So all you're really doing is offending "society" which is bullshit anyway.
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Abortion is fine. Just one problem.

Niggers and mexicans do not get nearly enough abortions. They need to have them much more.

Should be mandatory that every household with these people aborts children and is only allowed to keep one!
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>>663054576
lol!
you'd think so anon, but
> my body my rules
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>>663054136
I have not once tried to hide a boner in public. It's not illegal and it's my cock. I'll do what I want with it as long as I'm not harming someone else.
Is a cop gonna come up to me and tell me to lose the erection or I'm going to jail?
Nah son. My cock, my rules.
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>>663054368
Feminists are motivated by self-interest, but if you actually read feminist literature you will see this argument, although it's couched in terms of "family planning", i.e., choosing WHEN to have a baby is the important right.

>>663054326
No, we can't agree on that. Parents that abort a baby that late are usually doing so because 1) they know so little about life that they didn't know they were pregnant (yes, it happens), or 2) because of social pressures or a lack of money to get the procedure earlier.

Those people are exactly the least prepared to take care of a child.

It doesn't matter if it could live on its own outside the womb if nobody is willing to PAY for the $100,000 minimum to keep it alive. If you want to stop late-term abortions, then by all means vote for taxes to support fetus removal and life support.

inb4 it's the parents' responsibility - if the parents were responsible we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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>>663054429
Although I do like the quote you can't make an argument with an article from 2011.
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>>663053034
So you'd agree that sometimes it's better to kill someone than let them live. That's all I was wondering, if you were picking your ethics on a case by case basis, or if you actually stood behind that statement.

In terms of abortion, I'm actually pro-infanticide, especially in the case that a child is born with defects, but only by choice of the mother and hers alone and it must not be with outside pressure, such as from the babies father, or the mother's father.

So this thread probably isn't for me.
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>>663054834
Teaching black men to be homosexual works well too. There is nothing more beautiful in this world than a gay minority, it brings tears of happiness and joy to my eyes! Every negro should love cock, and cock only.
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>>663054834
Blacks have far more abortions per capita than any other race in America.
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>>663054723
So why isn't murder legal? Killing some african starving children should be taken as kindness instead of a despicable act, since most of them are beyond the point of saving.
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>>663055331
It's not doing anything for crime statistics. lol

They are still in the lead. Proves that more abortions are needed!

Crime stoppers should award 1000 dollar checks to black women who get abortions.
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>>663051132
You don't have idea but some of us do (I'm a medic) if you go by science and biology standards, there's a fair line when the product becomes another viable human being, before that, it's literally a parasite in the woman's body (biologically speaking) seriously, go and read the mechanisms the product uses to avoid the mother's inmune system
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>>663054217
>changing ones mind
>a very hard thing to do for even simple matters

You poor, closed-minded, bastard.
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