So /b/ why should the mother be allowed to abort a baby/fetus/whatever the fuck when she was not raped or he doesn't threatens her life?
She's the one that has to push the bastard out, so she should decide whether to abort it.
Similarly, if the guy doesn't want it, he shouldn't be expected to raise/support it since it was never his choice to keep it.
why go through all the pain of childbirth? that vagina can split open to her anus, and her stomach will look like a bowl of dough for years, plus all the crazy hormonal shit for 9 months.
while I agree with you, it brings up an interesting point. if the fetus/baby is part of the mother's body, doesn't that mean that 50% of the time, a pregnant woman has a dick?
>I have no patience for people who aren't immature babies like me.
All I hear, bro
yeah no shit. and in the event that birth control or condoms fail, because nothing short of abstinence is 100% fool proof, why would you go through a fucking pregnancy? inb4 religion
Because human sexuality has evolved to be about way more than just reproduction. Various human cultures have used sex as a way of enforcing pair bonding, as dominance, as rite of passage, etc. Consent to sex is not the same as willingness to raise a human being.
At the same time, humans are so advanced that all human lives should be voluntary brought into the world. The woman's right not to be pregnant is how we've framed the debate in America, but really the more important argument is that unwilling mothers are often very shitty single mothers that are likely to raise broken children.
again, this is what I mean. I have no fucking idea at what stage the feteus becomes a baby all I'm saying is that it should be available and accessible by all those who need it.
Or the fact that IT FUCKING TAKES DECADES OF CARE, MONEY AND EFFORT TO SUPPORT
But yeah, coming out of a vagina takes priority. The guy should totally be locked into a lifelong obligation against his will.
My parents raised me in a very conservative settings, and I had it ingrained in me that abortion was evil. Naturally as I got older, I did my own thing. First gf I hooked up with was convinced she was pregnant at one point, and holy shit did that change my perspective. I would have paid a mexican with a shopvac to take care of the problem. Thankfully it was a false alarm, but I am in full favor of vaporizing the little fuckers.
I wish an asian guy would splooge in my wife. I often get a dick like diamonds thinking about waking up every day, seeing that asian faced baby that isn't mine. I want to wear a maids outfit like a true cuck, and baby sit while she cheats on me.
The white race is finished. I want my wife to breed asian men.
Alright, people who are for abortion have to admit that they are for the killing of an underdeveloped prehuman collection of matter. In short a baby. Which is what I'm for, totally do that.
Because it has no effect on your life at all. If she wants to go to your imaginary hell that's her choice with separation of church and state. Killing a fetus is not the same as killing a baby. Fetus is 100% dependent on the mother.
if you don't want to pay for a kid, don't shoot your load into a fertile female who wants a kid. it's pretty fucking simple, there's literally no excuse to run out on your responsibilities as a man like some hood nigger and leave your flesh and blood to fend for itself.
(Not that guy) Well yes, the women got pregnant doing what she wanted with her body, its kinda unfair to make a women go through a tremendous amount of pain to bring something into the world that will just be unloved.
I want a tranny to shove his toes up my ass and butt fuck me, then slap my face over and over with his dick. I want him to cum right on my tongue, so the white paste settles evenly over the whole tongue before I swallow that delicious load of cum right out of a trannys penis.
Yes, it is more ethical to kill a child than to let it be fucked up by an irresponsible or unready parent. You are pretty slow, you know? I bet you believe that all people are created equal.
So if you were on a battlefield and your friend had been shot and wasn't going to make it through and asked you to end his pain now, lest he fall into the hands of the enemies and be tortured or slowly bleed out on the battlefield, you'd refuse on ethical grounds? Either way would be understandable, just wondering where you land?
>doesn't know that life doesn't work out the way you want it to, and if you fucked a chick who doesn't agree with abortion then you just have to be a big boy and deal with the consequences
You DO realize that a fetus does not feel anything at all, right? For several weeks it does not have a brain nor any system capable of suffering.
And please don't do this:
That's not the point, the points is you're ending someone's life on a wimp (like or not the fetus will be a baby soon), now i have no PROBLEMS with that just don't come to me saying it's the mothers body and all that crap.
She needs to be able to abort the baby to make room for the Islamic dick that will eventually rape her. This is how feminist breed!
The only baby worth keeping to a feminist comes from the penis of an Islamic sand nigger. When they are raped, they know the sand nigger is absolutely innocent and feminism cancels itself out. The muslim is the victim in every case. They must submit and wear the veil, simply because...
Feminism is a trojan horse for Islam!
>Doesn't know how green text works.
I'm just making a point. Exactly what you just said can also be said for abortion. You're also assuming that the woman can't just change her mind later, and the man has absolutely no say when the women gets all the say because she changed her mind.
Because life isn't precious. We send people off to die everyday here in Murica, we gas cats by the dozens if they don't get adopted, and we hire people to come and kill all the bugs in our houses. Whoever said life is precious is a fucking retard. Life is life, death is death what difference does it make?
Society has invested a great deal of time and energy and money into even the most fucked up 15 year old mom. All that effort is wasted if she contributes nothing but another empty mouth to society.
The mother's right to her own body is more important than the child's right to exist, because the child is nearly worthless and completely replaceable, whereas the mother has at least some value as a working-age adult human being.
Similarly, even if she makes bad choices and decides to keep a child she ought not to, we are better of respecting that because judging which parents are "too bad to reproduce" is inherently biased and open for insane abuse.
The only ethical solution is voluntary abortion.
And another thing. A girl who changes her mind afterwards isn't crazy. In fact, she's sane enough to change her mind, which is a very hard thing to do for even simple matters, let alone life altering ones. Then we're punishing the man for having a condom break in an open-minded, perfecrly lucid woman.
Why do you honestly care what some dumb bitch does with her dumb baby? Do you really think Sally in Oregon who wants to ditch her baby should be stopped because you're not okay with it? Not yo baby not yo choice loser.
Non-lifesaving late term abortions are retarded. We can pretty much all agree on that. Consider that babies have been born premature and survived four months early. If you could take it out and keep it alive as a baby, then taking it out while vacuuming its brains up with a tube, then you know exactly what you're doing.
Similarily, banning early-term abortions of unthinking fetuses is retarded. All those right-wing fags howling about government power, but then they're so eager to strip freedoms when sex is involved.
The fetus is NOT someone, that's a semantic trap. The fetus can't experience any type of sentience. The point is that you can do whatever you like with a fetus, because it's a thing and not an organism with a mind (such as an adult human or any adult complex animal).
Have you read this article?
>"There are those who cannot distinguish a 16-cell embryo from a baby. They call abortion murder, and feel righteously justified in committing real murder against a doctor – a thinking, feeling, sentient adult, with a loving family to mourn him. The discontinuous mind is blind to intermediates. An embryo is either human or it isn’t. Everything is this or that, yes or no, black or white. But reality isn’t like that."
Because we have an overpopulation problem as it is, and I really don't care. If the fetus/baby can't sustain itself outside of the mother's body, it's not anymore "alive" than a parasite, and sure as hell doesn't deserve all of the rights of an already-born human being.
As >>663051351 says, this is the god damn issue. No one who is against abortion could possibly be envisioning themselves in the position of having nothing and be facing the burden of a baby. Having legal and safe abortion procedures available for the general public hurts no one. Your life is no shittier because a clump of cells was removed from a womans uterus. When abortion was illegal it did not stop it from happen, the procedures were life threatening to women, and many attempted to perform abortions themselves and died as the result. So "pro-lifers" shut the fuck up, get your heads out of your asses, and fight for a cause that actually matters in this world.
from a biological perspective? It is no more than a cluster of cells, not unlike any organ in your body and it doesn't have a consciousness or a heart beat up until 4 weeks of pregnancy. Therefore, you can choose which organs you want to extract - a zygote is no exception to this rule.
From a moral perspective? Why subject a life to 80 years (or whatever the average lifespan is now) of torment and torture as a result of your inability to provide healthcare, education, and other basic necessary privileges - when you can choose to terminate it when it neither has a consciousness or pain receptor neurons to even be able to feel any pain?
Who exactly is it that one does an injustice to when they choose to abort a child? It sure as shit isn't the "baby", because it doesn't even have a perception of its existence or pain for that matter, and it's not the parents either since they want it. So all you're really doing is offending "society" which is bullshit anyway.
Abortion is fine. Just one problem.
Niggers and mexicans do not get nearly enough abortions. They need to have them much more.
Should be mandatory that every household with these people aborts children and is only allowed to keep one!
I have not once tried to hide a boner in public. It's not illegal and it's my cock. I'll do what I want with it as long as I'm not harming someone else.
Is a cop gonna come up to me and tell me to lose the erection or I'm going to jail?
Nah son. My cock, my rules.
Feminists are motivated by self-interest, but if you actually read feminist literature you will see this argument, although it's couched in terms of "family planning", i.e., choosing WHEN to have a baby is the important right.
No, we can't agree on that. Parents that abort a baby that late are usually doing so because 1) they know so little about life that they didn't know they were pregnant (yes, it happens), or 2) because of social pressures or a lack of money to get the procedure earlier.
Those people are exactly the least prepared to take care of a child.
It doesn't matter if it could live on its own outside the womb if nobody is willing to PAY for the $100,000 minimum to keep it alive. If you want to stop late-term abortions, then by all means vote for taxes to support fetus removal and life support.
inb4 it's the parents' responsibility - if the parents were responsible we wouldn't be having this discussion.
So you'd agree that sometimes it's better to kill someone than let them live. That's all I was wondering, if you were picking your ethics on a case by case basis, or if you actually stood behind that statement.
In terms of abortion, I'm actually pro-infanticide, especially in the case that a child is born with defects, but only by choice of the mother and hers alone and it must not be with outside pressure, such as from the babies father, or the mother's father.
So this thread probably isn't for me.
Teaching black men to be homosexual works well too. There is nothing more beautiful in this world than a gay minority, it brings tears of happiness and joy to my eyes! Every negro should love cock, and cock only.
It's not doing anything for crime statistics. lol
They are still in the lead. Proves that more abortions are needed!
Crime stoppers should award 1000 dollar checks to black women who get abortions.
You don't have idea but some of us do (I'm a medic) if you go by science and biology standards, there's a fair line when the product becomes another viable human being, before that, it's literally a parasite in the woman's body (biologically speaking) seriously, go and read the mechanisms the product uses to avoid the mother's inmune system