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>>582494090 no. Alright kids its time for the lesson DEMENTION 0: A point, just data, not an actual dot DEMENTION 1: A Line made up of infinite points. Again just data. DEMENTION 2:A plane, made uip of infinite lines. DEMENTION 3:A space, made up of infinite stacked planes DEMENTION 4:A time of that plane. Lets say that plane changes every xenosecond, therefor the 4D cordinates change depending on time
>>582494396 The fuck? Do you even understand what a dimension is? It's an independent axis of change. A change in one axis has 0 effect any other axis, otherwise they're not independent dimensions. Why the fuck do you think you can move an object left and right while not having it move up and down or back and forth?
>>582495979 Time doesn't objectively exist, though. It's only a concept. We can observe things change. They move. But that doesnt make time real. It's just a concept in our minds. It's hard to wrap your mind around all the way because our whole way of life is so deeply entrenched in time, but when you finally see that it's an illusion it'll blow your mind.
>>582496286 The way we percieve time may be false, but you can't claim that things don't change. Change means there has to be an axis for things to move forward on, hence time. You can't have something change and stay the same.
Ill try again. Just try and think about this for a second.
Think of everything that ever happens in the world as MOVEMENTS. Everything is constantly moving. The Earth is orbiting the sun and the moon is orbiting the Earth, and this causes night and day.
An old man can think back to when he was 20 as if it was a different TIME. But there is no other time than NOW. Everything always happening right NOW. Just because the man grew older does not make TIME real. Its just a concept. It only exists in our heads.
You keep saying that time has to exist because things change. But that's just not true. It doesn't have to exist anywhere other than in our minds, because it doesn't.
>>582495178 We use time only to calculate "deltas" or changes. If time stopped, all changes stop. Earth stops. Temperature never changes. Light freezes in place. Quantum fields stop popping particles in and out of existence... no changes. Ever.
There's a theory that once the universe runs it's course and all the sum energies in the universe go back to zero, then time will essentially stop until another big bang happens. Nifty shiz-nit
>>582493694 I wanna tell you something OP, The universe will expand, then it will collapse back on itself, then will expand again. It will repeat this process forever. What you don't you know is that when the universe expands again, everything will be as it is now. Whatever mistakes you make this time around, you will live through on your next pass. Every mistake you make, you will live through again, & again, forever. So my advice to you is to get it right this time around. Because this time is all you have.
I'm not trying to be deep or anything. It's a really simple thing to grasp, but it can be hard to grasp at the same time and even harder to explain.
I'm not trying to say anything mystical or philosophical. Its plain and simple. There is no TIMELINE. It's just the way that we humans think of and perceive things. Kind of like an optical illusion only not entirely optical.
>>582497438 Go to a desert island Being yourself enough food, medicine whatever to survive Do not bring A clock Anything electrical Forget about time Time in that specific moment stops. It ends You don't know what time is it or month or year or anything Correct time does still exists around you but not in you
>>582497321 There's still change you retard. You can't have movement without time. Even if time is just another spatial dimension that we can only observe moments of, it exists. With only 3 dimensions you have an unchanging object, for it to move you need a fourth one where the object can change.
>>582497656 The universe won't collapse back in on itself. That was the theory before we realized that universal expansion was speeding up. Now, it's believed, that it'll just keep expanding until the energies in the universe succumb to entropy and reach zero.
You guys are getting stuck on a timeline. You're thinking in terms of human lives and stories.
Anna found out she had cancer. A month later she started treatment. Several months later it failed and died.
The months that passed are our unit of measurement for the day/night cycles of the earth which are MOVEMENTS. There is no past where Anna found out she had cancer. It doesn't exist. Anna went through many movements or events or whatever you want to call them from the time she found out she had cancer until her death, but all those movements were happening NOW. UNLESS - you are referring to the concept we have of her movements on a timeline. And concepts don't exist!
1.a) The title is indicative of the dimensionality of space, minus the existential factor, where the original three underscores are the primary dimensions; Length, Height and Depth. The inner brackets, along with the additional underscore, indicate a fourth necessary, though paradoxical part of the original three dimensions, dimension-esque factor, time. For all three dimensions to exist, an overlay in universal dimensions must occur. This overlay is time. Time ties the original three dimensions together, along with the next two additional dimensions in the bracket of time's set of three (plus the fourth, bi-dimension), where time itself is the linear (length), by allowing depth to occur. Without time, only the illusion of depth could be achieved by a perceptive force. Though the dimensions occur in sets of three, there will always be a fourth, paradoxical, dimensional-esque aspect created by the sum of the three. This fourth aspect is a bridge and a glue, holding the three dimensions before it whole, and laying the foundation as the first aspect in the next set of three. Time, being this aspect, is the linear function, which being as it's also the first aspect in it's very own set of three, shows a correlation among dimensions in space since the first dimension in the perceptive set before time's set also is linear. Considering the idea that life is in fact time, since time must be rooted in the original three dimensions of space, is a truly wondrous notion... Then gliding into the idea that life, in turn, also gives birth to the next set of three dimensions within itself is only that much more awe inspiring.
>>582497806 Yeah there's no timeline, the universe is in a state of constant change. But there is a dimension for that change to take place in. Time exists, it's you who has a stuck up idea about what the term means.
>>582498967 Time isn't just a concept. Even gravity is a concept made up by humans, but the effects are observable. Same with time, we don't know how it works or what it even is, but there is a dimension that allows change.
>>582494220 Not even close to separate. One directly influences the other.
>>582494662 This is actually fairly astute. For example, we have a working model of quantum physics; enough so to design technology around the model that works. Yet, we still no fuck all about quantum mechanics at the deeper levels.
>>582495178 >I mean if time stops does the earth stops? wut
Stop what? rotating, revolving? No shit it does. Movement is change in space over time, so no time means no movement.
In fact, it also technically things wouldn't have force, weight, and a slew of over shit.
>>582495359 Wut. No. First of all it's space-time, not time-space. time-space is theoretical. For instance, lets say you suddenly popped over into time-space, for every bit of "space" you moved, you'd have moved that much in time when you returned to space-time. The two are basically opposing counterparts.
>>582498014 No... just because you can't measure time, it doesn't mean it stops.
If I'm on the island, and observing, time continues. I suppose it's a bit like the tree-falling-in-the-woods parable.
However, just because nothing changes macroscopically, it doesn't mean that things in the subatomic world have stopped. Or, on the other end of the spectrum, it doesn't mean the universe and galaxies have ceased their motion.
>>582499519 You're using your own terms to impose false implications on my words. I never said that time is what we mean by it in the common language, I meant time as the dimension. It's an undeniable fact that time as a dimension exists.
Depends on how you define collapse. It's not gonna suck itself back into a singularity like how it initially existed. It's energy will reach zero and simply stop existing. It's collapse will be in relation to it's fields, not it's dimension.
>>582495626 >time is a unit of measurement. Nigga, how high are you? Time is not a measurement. There are measurements OF TIME, but time itself is the thing being measured.
Though, you are somewhat correct, but only accidentally. Time doesn't exist how we perceive it. Our brains can internally slow or speed the perception of time, changing our own ability to gauge time passed. Clocks and whatnot don't experience perception, so are accurate. Then there's also things that alter the actual flow of time and not the perceived flow. Gravity not only bends space around it, but time as well. Gravitational Time Dilation.
>>582496932 >string theory has no supporting evidence. Lol okay, anon. Whatever makes you feel smart.
>>582497017 Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
>>582497656 You say to get it right THIS time, but that's assuming this is the first instance of the universe. Otherwise, we can't get it right if we hadn't already before based on your interpretation.
>>582497806 That's because time isn't a line. Time is a series of independent realities that form to conform to every possible outcome of all situations. Before the outcome becomes part of our world, it exists as a waveform of all probability. Each resulting universe only contains one outcome from the collapsed waveform. Hugh Everett motherfucker.
>>582500540 Nothing is real by your retarded logic. The universe is a concept. We can still observe how it works, it doesn't make it any less real that it's a concept. We literally can't communicate a non-concept. Also, you can't prove that the world exists outside of your mind so your argument kinda falls flat there already, if you're trying to discredit the human mind as an instrument of observation.
>>582500117 >>582500383 I'm going to ignore you because your grammar is shit and I can't understand what you're saying.
>>582501168 Ok I find a lot wrong with your response so instead of addressing every issue let me ask you one question, which I know how you will answer and then I will be able to explain it to you further.
Give me an example of the flow of time being altered, and I will tell you how time does not exist.
>>582501762 What do you mean by time? Because you already implied that there is a dimension that allows change. Sure the human mind's concept of time may be wrong, but the concept is based on a very real thing that exists. We can't observe the thing itself, but we can observe what it causes. Just like gravity, we can only observe it through it's interaction with matter.
>>582496249 studies have proven colors are a societal creations... in certain languages there is an absence of a word for blue and those civilizations have extreme difficulties differentiating blue and green
>>582501591 >time being altered. That's pretty vague, anon. Fuck you are altering time right now.
Do you mean in the physical sense as in being stretched by gravity?
Or like.. shit happening in time?
If time does not exist, then how can motion exist?
Yes, I know you can say "well we just use the CONCEPT to mathematically understand motion, as we can only see it as distance over time"
but to that I say:
How ELSE can it be seen? I'm open to crazy scientific ideas. Fuck, I openly disagree with mainstream science about mass being responsible for gravity. It's quite obviously energy density, not mass that determines gravity.
So enlighten me anon, how can motion exist without time? How can force, or weight, or anything at all, exist without time?
Fuck mass couldn't even exist without time. E=mC^2
>>582502798 >force is a 3d force Force has nothing to do with the 3rd dimension. Hell, there's theoretical calculations of force on 4th dimensional objects out there, so lets take that 3d nonsene out, and we are left with
Time is definitely a real observable thing. You sit around orbiting a super massive black hole for about a week, compared to normal fags on earth you're going to experience less time. Time dilation has been proven making time more than something mankind just made up to measure the passing days.
>>582503192 But the change of moving from point a to b is still there, and it's obsevable from the consequence of you being somewhere else when you turn your brain on again >implying Also the universe isn't dependent on human observation. Things keep changing without us having to document the change. Your brain is fucking broken.
>>582504118 YES. THINGS CHANGE. BUT THE CONCEPT OF TIME ONLY COMES INTO PLAY WHEN WE THINK OF IT. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, EVEN AN ENTIRE PLANET OF HUMANS THINKING OF THE SAME CONCEPT DOES NOT GIVE IT AN OBJECTIVE REALITY!
Time is merely a concept created by our minds to better understand the universe. One second is based on the vibrations of the cesium atom. There are, however, states of being. If that can be altered I do not know. Also time travel is impossible. For one, if you generate enough energy to do so you would create a black hole. Second, you would create a paradox just by being in the past.
>>582502682 not quite. We use mathematics to try and predict the outcome of a given event. We can show how time travel is possible mathematically. If we warp space into a shape that would allow us to end a journey before the point we started, we've essentially time traveled.
To actually do it would require technology that could bend space in a massive way... like how a black hole does it.
Then again, if we ever discover that time is a field and has particles (chronotons), there's a chance we could send information or material in any direction in time... but that theory is not widely accepted. I don't think we're gonna find gravitons either. :)
>>582504421 Yeah I know that propability and shit is decided when you observe the result but on this level it doesn't matter. >>582504530 So you're saying that the human mind isn't real. That thoughts aren't real. Sure, we don't make things with our minds, but we do observe, and in this case the concept that we created reflects something very real. If this really is what you were saying, you were using an extremely vague and idiotic way of explaining. Also that's some elementary level shit.
>>582504919 Look just stick with this specific topic and dont branch out because we can get into all kinds of shit that I dont wanna get into, Time doesnt exist. This is really easy to understand. You're just not grasping it.
time will cease when all molecules become so cold (having lost any energy they might have had) that they cannot be considered anything but "burnt out". which will happen in about 10 to the power of 100 to the power of 100 years from now. it's called the heat death theory.
time ends when matter no longer turns to energy, and energy no longer turns to matter. but you won't be able to comprehend that, so just give up now and focus on more important questions.
If there is one thing that watching interstellar taught me it is that if you eject from a spaceship into a worm hole you will go into a weird dimension where you are surrounded by bookshelves. So that should answer your question.
>>582505740 I'm not talking about past and future, I'm talking about change. Do you claim that change does not exist? TIME IS WHAT WE USE AS A WORD TO DESCRIBE THE DIMENSION OF CHANGE. Your dimension of change is time, don't make up new terms for things that have been named already. In fact, just kill yourself, I think it's the only way. Or at least don't breed, do us that solid.
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