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>>582388257 This gives validation to my argument quiet efficiently.
You should also note that most people who masturbate to transvestites (or "traps" if you're really cool and current) do so because it allows the to explore their latent homosexuality without the need to confront it.
1.) One of the purposes of law in a free society is to reflect the views of society in a given era. 2.) Gay marriage is premised on the idea of removing the limitations of marriage in order to include man/woman/M2F/F2M/Genderless/etc, instead of “a single man and woman only” 2b.) Liberals and SJW keep pushing their damn limits each day, because they’re damn SJW whores. 3.) Some barriers of “love” are better kept intact for the good of society: pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, and incest 4.) Therefore, for the good of society’s current views, altering the definition of marriage should not be considered in a legal sense since one day society may pressure lawmakers to remove “unhealthy” barriers such as pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, and/or incest in the future.
>>582388550 This is the type of shit that will begin to be permitted since SWJs are allowed to push their agendas: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352779/Bestiality-brothels-spreading-Germany-campaigner-claims-abusers-sex-animals-lifestyle-choice.html
>>582388545 The problem comes along when they gather in mass numbers in order to change legislation to fit their needs. Any sexually deviant group (such as necrophiliacs, zoophiliacs, pedophiliacs, etc)could theoretically do the same in a "free society" if they gather up in larger enough numbers do draw the attention of legislators. Especially since legislators these days don't have much of a backbone and seek votes from marginalized groups such as gays, blacks, hispanics, etc in order to remain in office.
>>582390597 1.) This is the most basic thing about jurisprudence youre taught in a law school. Explain then how slavery was abolished, why the definition of obscene material in the media has changed much, etc... pls 2.)This goes back to Clinton's DOMA act... its just what it's defined as 3.) This IS an opinion... a popular one however. Try convincing 99.9% of the population otherwise. 4.) This is only true because of 1, 2, and 3, together. This last premise isn't up for grabs. If you want to refute it, refute 1, 2, or 3 since those 3 support #4
>>582390597 2b.) This one is also an opinion, and it's my personal one. But I drew that conclusion because of the crazy shit with German activists lobbying for the legalization of sex zoos. I think something like this is a fair opinion, since cmon, really? Sex zoos? Who but crazed liberals in pursuit or random shit who believe we should get every goddamn right under the sun "because we live in a free society" would push for such a thing?
4.) Absurd Extrapolation? Well, sure you can call it that if you choose to suppress the evidence of sex zoos in Germany and the fact that eerily similar phrases were used with gay rights issues 50 years ago such as "they don't understand our love", "we feel oppressed", "love is free", etc bullshit.
>>582390772 >if I stick my fingers in my ears the gays will go away! How does it feel to know that you are on the losing side of this debate? This is objectively not arguable, gay rights are on the up in the West.
>>582393047 Because these people with mental illnesses may determine the future of this country. >>582393173 No, because when they have the power to change legislation especially in what culturally defines "marriage", it becomes everybody's issue. See this country 10 years in the future allowing a bunch of weird sexual shit. Yeah, didn't think so, either.
As a religionfag, I hate Christians nowadays. We drifteded too far from our origional teachings into spreading bullshit hatred to innocent people. "Look, two men in love! They obviously must have some mental illness, Satan's workings!" Really?
>>582393235 Ok, but that's only because they can't see where this is all headed towards. They just listen to random shit like Macklemore and Lady Gaga talking about how "its good for society" because of how pretty it sounds.
They don't know jack shit about law, history, or socio-political trends. I DO.
>>582387975 Fuck you faggot. That isn't a fucking animated gif, use another file type. Is it that hard to just use a different hateful pic? You wasted a good three seconds of my life I'll never get back because I was waiting for it to move.
I have nothing about homosexuals, but i have to agree, homosexuality is illogical, from a biologic point of view, sex more than a pleasure is one of the fundamental things in "life" more than that, some life forms need sex in order to reproduce, its absurd and illogical that in some species the same gender feel sexual attraction...
>>582393573 Well, true, that's just bigotry at its finest. Understanding one another is the actual key to correcting what is wrong.
But allowing homosexually becomes a different issue that infringes on everyone's lives altogether because of the political power these groups are given. I love peace as much as the next guy, but "twisted immoral shit that will get worse if not stopped" being disguised as love is the real issue at stake here.
>>582393886 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C Section 3. Definition of marriage In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word 'marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word 'spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.
The statute was only repealed because of incompetency.
>>582388550 That is not the purpose of law. The purpose of the law is to maintain order, this includes protecting the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Lrn2politic
Marriage itself is a legally binding contract. The concept of holy matrimony has no bearing on the legal definition of a contract, and any contract can be between two informed adults.
The morality argument doesn't fly because one persons set of morals is different from another's. If viewed from a metaphysical perspective (Kantian Ethics) your assumption of "good" and "bad" is entirely flawed.
The good of society is not based on law, and even if it were, your understanding of law is entirely wrong. Go fuck yourself.
>>582394394 Ok, but don't blame me after your 2050 looks like shit because of the stuff you liberals are allowing.
In fact, I could counter troll by joining the other side and using the exact same premises used in favor of gay rights in order to defend pedophila, incest, necrophilia, and bestiality. It's easy. Soon enough there will be enough proponents of sick and twisted shit to change legislation.
>Logic not even required. Only make emotional appeals, and other bullshit.
I am gay and I think its not mental but it happens when something went wrong in the body.
I mean come on, there really are only 2 genders that biologically made for each other. What I do is natural (because anything happens in nature is actually natural) but not functional. Its like smoking. Only you cannot quit.
>>582394696 >sick and twisted How is pedophilia that? You must've heard a lot of horror stories from media about men who rape and kill helpless children. Those aren't actually pedophiles even if media likes to say so.
>>582394018 >twisted immoral shit that will get worse if not stopped
This is what I was talking about here. "Two women in love and wanting a pomitical say?! Twisted and immoral! " This is why humana suck. Animales have has homosexuality and hetero and have no records of hate between them, but of course humans do.
>>582388465 I'm in this confused space where I agree with corporal punishment and inflict it on my own children, and completely disagree with the pic. Smacking or not smacking has absolutely no effect on how a kid turns out, it's just a parental tool to use when your 6 year old has taken to biting his 9 year old sister. Whether you smack him or not smack him for that, he's still going to turn out to be a well adjusted adult if that's in his future.
>>582394580 Well, you've misinterpreted many of my points. That's regrettable:
Youre right, the good of society is not based on law. It's now being based more upon the needs of select groups that claim "oppression' when that word is the most loaded word in the English language.
It allows you to get away with lots of random shit; pretty much whatever I can claim I'm being oppressed by. You just need the right amount of supporters.
>morality is variable I never claimed that it isn't. That's why I simply said that most people would not be comfortable with the direction these things are headed in the future with pedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia, and incest on the rise. That's all. I don't really care either way; but a great majority of Americans would take great offense to these things and would really hate to see things go this way even though it may be inevitable with SWJs like you around.
The reason the whole "snowball" argument of bestiality and pedophilia doesn't work is because homosexuality is between 2 consenting ADULTS (key word there dickheads). An animal can't give it's lawful consent nor can a child. So fuck you guys, if you disagree with gay marriage you're closet or fucked up anyway
Did you know, that actually most of the times it is people like you, who are gay themselves but didn't realize it yet? homosexuality is not a mental illness! i think you are mentally challenged man! and i am a straight guy myself who has great acceptance for gay couples!
SO FUCK YOU AND DIE ALREADY! PEOPLE LIKE YOU A RE THE REASON THE WORLD IS AS SHITTY AS IT IS!
>>582395412 That sounds harmless, sure. But look what happens when you apply that same phrase to the sex zoos now being legalized in Germany... It gains supporters and becomes legal. Oh what a surprise!
Here's the link again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2352779/Bestiality-brothels-spreading-Germany-campaigner-claims-abusers-sex-animals-lifestyle-choice.html
>>582387975 I'm bisexual and believe that Homosexuality is a kind of mental illness.
The fact that a man or woman would rather have sexual relations with their own gender is against what nature intended. As, of course, a man and a woman have different genitalia for mating and procreation purposes.
That doesn't mean that Homosexuality is wrong. Autism is a mental illness and no one criminalizes that.
So my understanding is that OP doesn't really know what he's talking about.
And thus i have come to the conclusion that OP is a gigantic dumbfuck faggot.
>>582395919 What the fuck lmfao " two men in love, so obviously now theyre gonna start fucking animals. Because that beastiality argument is so valid thought gays are two consenting people. " literally what the fuck, you people are just making excuses now.
>>582395875 >claims consent >Still think consent means anything this day and age While consent does legally hinder these issues specific to bestiality and pedophilia, keep in mind that our definition of what defines 'consent' is variable in itself. Our own states cannot decide on a common age for consent (varying from 16 to 18) and Angola's age of consent is as low as 12. Who's to say any of these are correct? It's based on a shaky foundation that again, is just as subject to the views of society as this shit we're allowing to happen.
>Also, this doesn't apply to incest and necrophilia. >Also, I don't even need logic or law on my side for this SWJ shit. All i need to do is make enough emotional appeals and use the loaded word "oppression" to get people on my side until I get enough to change legislation. Liberals eat up this "free society" thing.
>>582395605 Something that media does not tell is that most pedophiles never act on their attraction and thus never get caught. Most of those who act on their attraction have fully willing sex with children (in the eyes of the law this is abuse anyway). Then there are those who coerce or use violence and this is what actually causes damage to the children (in addition to the shame effect)
>>582395875 Nobody is born gay they become gay. They start off as pedos, always looking for younger and younger porn or victims, until they become nepiophiles, attracted only to little babies, but still they keep going younger and younger until they become sexually attracted to sperm. Then they are "gay".
>>582396207 You need to listen to what I said though. Sigh: 1.) Law may just as well be designed to fit the views of society 2.) Liberals keep on pushing and pushing because it's what they do. Now picture a free society a few years into the future. Could weird shit be allowed to pass under this train of though? Of course it can.
>>582395915 Firstly who the fuck, taught you,where, to use, commas?
Secondly, the "thou do protest to much" logical fallacy is commonly used among homosexuals and their sympathizers but it's hilariously flawed because by that logic people with arachnophobia are secretly spiders.
>>582396539 Well if we are to be perfectly logical, yeah the thing doesn't make sense and should be banned. However, since it doesn't work this way, it's just left up to society to ultimately decide. If it's okay with the majority, the supreme court of that respective state adopts the people's views.
Gee, i sure can't wait to see the statistics on bestiality increasing with homosexuality. I mean A single study would give some credit to this unproven meme that is the center of your conservative argument.
>>582396484 Then there are those closet pedophiles who never act on their attraction and pretend to be gay to explain their lack of adult lover. Some go so far as to actually sleep with another man to have a plausible cover.
>>582396493 I'm not even claiming I hate them. Even if I did, no one would care, nor should they care two shits about what one person thinks. That's why premise #4 in: >>582388550 says "for the good of society's current views", including what the majority thinks today.
>>582396989 >prefers to wait until bestiality becomes mainstream in the US or other countries. Rather than look at historical trends and correlate them with current events in order to draw an informed conclusion of what is "likely to happen in a few years" before it happens.
>>582387975 >implying homosexuals browse /b/ >implying you are not a pedophile >implying you are dumb and LIKE IT THAT WAY >implying you are using your mental illness as an excuse >implying you should get help
>>582396997 I'm sure there are. I'm a straight pedophile but I have to live in a closet though. I don't pretend to have gay or any other kind of relationship. However, my mom once tried to get me out of closet by saying it's ok if I'm gay kek :3. I denied it but couldn't obviously say what my real attraction is.
>>582397478 Is the fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination more important than the abstract idea of protection of the family? Is criminal law the appropriate means to preserve a social taboo?
>>582397491 Yeah, if you choose to adhere to the false cause fallacy since there's no correlation to being anti-gay to being a third world country.
That could just be a coincidence or heck, it might actually make them less of goat fuckers.(since you know, they dont even actually fuck goats or camels, or whatever your prejudices have led you to believe)
Why do people always mention nature? Wake up and look around you, forget everything you know. We live in an infinite space. Nothing here has any purpose whatsoever. To any other galaxy nothing here exists. The light from today hasnt reached there yet. You dont exist, I dont exist.we're in one of the newest galaxies and solar systems. Now why the fuck does it matter what anyone else is doing in their life? You do your own thing, love and cherish your family and friends or go fuck a dog and blow a building up. Nothing really matters because from one aspect none of this exists.
>>582397760 I'm not saying making "deviant sexual shit" or other taboos illegal is the answer here. All I'm saying that in order to prevent people of this generation from pulling out their hairs and becoming disappointed in what the US may become in 10 or 20 years, some things should be prevented from making their way into legislation, or at the very least slowed down so that there isn't as much of a slippery slope.
since you guys are intrested in how it works for gay people, i'm here to tell you.
it's simple. I don't get a boner from females. When i was 13 and started fapping i realized that i didn't get hard when i was fantasizing about females. Then my fantasies started getting a guy into them and i was focusing on dicks. I didn't even know that this meant i was gay (took me a couple of weeks). It just was the thing that worked. And no, i'm not a pedo. I'm more the other way around
>>582398969 >>582398807 Homosexual relations in animal kingdoms only occur as a display of dominance. Don't be a dipshit, homosexuality doesn't make sense on a biological level and there's no evidence to suggest it does.
>>582387975 when i was younger i was molested by my babysitter and because of this i'm fucked sexually. has experimented with faggotry and the memory of what i did sickens me. fapped just last night to fag shit, again. fucking love women but can't stop thinking about fags. fucking will an hero soon..fuck this evil sick feeling and fuck you.
>>582398092 I didn't say homosexuality will directly lead to sexual taboos becoming legal, the SWJs who support it eventually will. Theoderich's anonymous post sheds some light on the attitudes of deviant behavior when it is taboo (He is a credible source since he... well, visit the link and you'll understand)
http://justpasteDOTit/i8he states: >"People are generally not understanding of the necrophiliac lifestyle, so it will probably be a long time before we can come out of the closet." This is pretty much the same attitude gays had 50 years ago before they gained popular support.
In the link I provided earlier about Germany's bestiality laws, it says: >"Bestiality dropped off the statute books as a crime in 1969 but in recent years the number of people believed to be participating in such acts has increased significantly."
but humans have shown enough intelligence to where they don't need to rely on there biological instincts, we have an advanced society that influences our behavior now, so the biological argument does not really stand up to scrutiny, you are trying to argue from a stand point as if we have some hunter gatherer society still
Zoophilia is legal in some states already, and yet people worry about sex between two consenting human being. Its beyond ridicules... Also link: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia_and_the_law_in_the_United_States
>>582387975 What so if it is a mental illness? Like, it clearly is a deffect of some kind. As their brain is different than ''straight brains'', looking more like the female brain (the sexual part at least).
But that doesn't mean that it is negative. As long as they are able to contribute to the society, and do not harm others (than betafaggot conservatives). Because they do contribute, and they do not harm others just because they are gay.
If you all weren't the betafaggots you all are, you would clearly see that Gays is just all positive for us; More men being gay = more pussy for us straight and non-beta men.
>>582399062 I don't feel qualified to talk about "grounds" since it is am issue I am still personally undecided on (which is probably why I stick to a generalized view) What I do believe is that marriage should be "only between a man and a woman" because it has worked for thousands of years until the issue of making marriage variable even came up. If it has been working up until now and not led our society down the shitter or pissed of the majority, then it's probably better left unchanged.
So to answer your question, the grounds should be based on that making marriage between man & woman WILL WORK FOR SOCIETY IN THE LONG RUN, while making it variable wont be compatible with today's views. It will however, be compatible with people's view in the distant future, of course, so who actually cares if it really goes through under the criteria of the people in the future? Heck, I'll even join in on their pro-taboo stuff since this is what "freedom for all" would entail in the US.
In case you missed it, the grounds for which I believe your thing about a taboo being criminalized (since you seem to love to think in criminal cases, whereas I'm not even bringing that up, I'm just saying it should be contained and kept hidden) was written in uppercase letters.
Now let me get to other people's arguments that are more important than this distraction of a question.
Don't you guys realize that fagotry is cyclical in society? Why? Because this shit must be some kind of brain mutation that comes and goes because gays don't reproduce... the greeks were all gays... then in medieval age...gays disappeared. ..appeared again in renaissance...disappeared again....
>>582400067 True, true, I admit this does smell a bit of slippery slope. I don't blame you. It's the most common criticism I get from this argument.
But I retort that this commits the slippery slope fallacy only while you suppress vital information like those two sources, along with the complete argument on >>582388550, along with taking into consideration how corrupt legislators(or at least the great majority) cave in to please their constituents or gain votes from marginalized groups, and along with how variable 'consent' is in different parts of the world showing that consent can also be variable to fit the views of society (when specifically addressing bestiality and pedophilia; not incest or necrophilia).
I don't think gay marriage should be forced upon priests or whoever, but there are priests that don't mind doing the marriages, I believe that is a fair compromise it respects the right of religious people and the equality that gays want in my opinion, otherwise there could be an equal yet non religious alternative that gay people could get
>>582400891 Ya, maybe its a fair compromise. But the guy debating against me on >>582394580 doesn't view morality in the same way as you, and unfortunately for you, I kind of agree with his Kantian view of morality. Since I, too, believe moral relativism just like him.
So I don't even know how to reply, except with, "okay, yeah sure, a fair compromise doesn't sound too bad when it comes to gay marriages from the religious sense"
However, that's not what I'm arguing at all. I'm saying "gay marriages are not a good step to make towards the future."
>>582388550 that complete argument had no proof and was nothing but opinions
1, the majority of people in the USA support gay marriage. 2. your second argument is nothing but your opinion, there are priest who don't mind marrying gay people, and there could always be a non-religious alterative made that allows gay people to get the same legal benefits from marriage 3. slippery slope fallacy 4. slippery slope fallacy
don't judge people you don't know. not everybody rapes you even though you had a horrible experience. just go with it and try to be the top (or no anal) if you don't like the other way around. stop feeling sorry for yourself
lol.. germany. not even close to shy about sex. remember the taxi driver we had in bremen tried to convince us that visiting a brothel was the one thing we HAD to do in germany (guy in his 40s-50s). was the weirdest taxi tour i've ever had. and i've been a taxi driver.
>>582401809 Well, I kind of don't personally, but for all intents and purposes while debating what I do, is debate from the moral relativist side since people never take to moral objectivism too kindly since it's seen as too strict; thus hurting my credibility when I don't take their side.
>>582401676 #1 -> I know that, but then supporting gay marriage is shown to be bad when you couple it with #2 and #3. That's the whole point of what I'm trying to say. If my argument was just #1, then of course, gay marriage would be the way to go and everything would be rainbows and sunshine.
2.) Well I was going of off Clinton's DOMA act... its just what marriage is defined as on there. I don't see how that can be labeled as an opinion, except that I find it to be the most traditional and consistent definition of what has historically worked for humanity for thousands of years.
3.) How is this slippery slope when I'm not even positing new information? This is just what the majority of Americans would believe today. 4.) Take #1, #2, and #3 as a complete argument
you're just a retard. if you would stop feeling sorry for yourself and just enjoy life without letting retards tell you what to do, you wouldn't bee this miserable and sad. life is a bitch, deal with it
>>582402862 life's not a bitch. life's a fucking monster that's trying to kill us at every opportunity and it works in tandem with our other enemy time. between the two we're fucked almost always. however, my life was pretty much ordinary until that dyke decided i should eat her cunt. imagine me, a 7 year old kid frightened out of his mind as this woman sits on his fucking face. i gagged vomited, soiled her underwear with bile. she punched me. pissed on me and told me if i told anyone she'd have me murdered. said not to say a word. then i told her i had to tell to avoid going to hell. she then filled the bathroom with hot water, and ammonia, and bleach and told me to go and turn it off. i went in the bathroom and she held the door close while i coughed and cried and screamed. she eventually made me swear on the bible that was in the bathroom not to tell anyone on fear of going to a hell where hot water and ammonia and bleach would be bubbling all around you. i swore and she took me out and rubbed me down. she gave me a few dollars and candy, and a cake...and some ice cream. the abuse continued all that summer. and i became crazier, and crazier and crazier thereafter. life's fucking amazing, no?
>>582402986 tumbler? fuck tumbler. this is my home, my hunting ground and my quarry.
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