Hey /b/ros who live in the USA do you think a revoloution would be worth/succesful in out country or are we hopelessly lost in the endless cycle of being oppressed?
Powers that be are very very good now at controlling the narrative. For anything like that to actually happen people would have to be hurting a lot harder than they are now. Look at OWS. All they had to do was have talking heads on the TV say over and over "they don't even know what they want" and the next day every moron who wants to sound wise is parroting, "They don't even know what they want!"
In a real revolution there's a point where the armed forces start going over to the other side. That's when they shit hits the fan and change starts to happen.
Can be pretty bloody before then though.
I personally think it would be such an amazing thing if only someone could come up with a much better way of living/ruleing. Basically im waiting for the next major "ism" like marxism,captalism,
Civil War is revolution faggot. And homeboy who side military switches sides. Yup, who wants to shoot the folks in the town they come from. You must win the military, that's what Hitler did. He got those soldiers to pledge loyalty to him and his party. Free history lesson faggots.
I think there's near zero chance right now that you'd end up with one united state after it. The divides run pretty deep. Maybe 3 or more new countries with some kind of EU agreement between them.
The 1% can get fucked. Take the entire elitist class out. See what the fucks up then. Robin Hood in this bitch. And fuck any mother fucker not from America. You're all faggots, no one cares about your shitty country, because it's not America.
Wouldn't work. Wouldn't ever begin. Media would oust an uprising in a hot second, all you'd hear about are "those evil revolutionary extremists" and everyone who participated against the US gov't would be painted as enemies to everything holy
>people are getting arrested for anti semitic remarks in europe
>people are getting arrested for racist remarks in europe
>people are getting arrested in canada for anti gay remarks
Don't see that happening in the states.
No why would we need to revolt? What do they NOT let us do now that is actually sustainable to a long term country? Also, we've got it pretty peachy here. Sure out government may do things behind our backs and all, but does it really matter? As long as it looks good to the US citizens, that's fine
basically what youre saying is fuck the people who got lucky and born in a rich family ( or actual and literal scum who got there money sleezyly) and fuck all the other people who werent born in those 1% familys or the other 99% who live in america if we made every country at least decent and liveable then we would be solid but fuck it
Technically the US is already like the EU, what would really happen is more like states leaving the union or taking it one step further like the Confeds did and form their own union. There is no chance of motivating people in this country to revolt when nobody has a concrete reason to do so.
If people really want to leave the US and form their own countries then they should do the American thing and buy their way out of the US union.
This is the best country in the world, and you think you are oppressed?
How old are you?
How many countries have you lived in and worked in so far? If you answer less than 3 you are a faggot.
>le edge lord
>thinks there needs to be a US revolution
>doesn't understand what would result from it
yeah have fun toppling a government and damaging your infrastructure.
guess you can live happily without a functioning economy, power grid, home utilities, law enforcement,emergency systems and so on.
stupid Americans thinking they live in a movie but have no idea how a country acualy functions.
also collapsing the US economy an government would damage the global economy.
Yeah people are just cowering in terror from the secret police. The USA has legalized both torture and extrajudicial killing of its own citizens.
that's because the US is still a few decades behind and full of socially mature people.
it's ok to be a bigoted hateful asshat in the US, but that kid of behavior is not socially acceptable in other more advanced countries.
Nah a revolution won't work well. What's going to happen is pretty clear.
A very small group of poor people will start killing off the elites. Just gunning those fuckers down. I'm talking car bombs, midnight break ins, sniper shots etc. And at first most of will be like "nooo" but we won't care.
Everyone is starting to realize the rich stay rich by pointing poor people at each other and we are getting tired of that shit. So why not car bomb some pieces of shit at AIG?
What would be lost honestly? what exactly do hedge fund managers do besides lose billions every 10 years that is so good for society that they are worth billions?
trust fund babies, etc things will get so bad we'll start killing them off.
But it will start off with kidnappings then killings one at a time then turn into a trend.
and for once, I think it's a good thing. 40% of all wealth in america was inherited. those who inherit it are seriously cock suckers who view poor people as subhuman. Examples would be the coch brothers, bushes, walton family etc
"spread your wealth in your life or we'll spread it after a bullet goes through the back of your head"
kind of slogan
shitskin please go
You also better stop calling me names you wouldn't want your police to arrest you for trolling.
If it doesn't change, everything will become privatized. There's basically segregation in schools still. The African American is still oppressed. Only thing is their minds are so fucked that they are under the impression that it's their culture. Rich, white, landowners still run this country. Always have, always will.
> Thinking it's hard to arm people in the United States
80 guns per 100 people dude
That's a lot of fucking guns
Also keep in mind many gunsmiths and arms dealers are based here
Like god damn dude
STEN submachine guns take 30 minutes to crank out
Not to mention:
Gathering like minded people
Gathering supplies and distributing them
Finding good generals and educated people
Leading a small group of people
Leading large groups of people
Paying these people
Gathering international recognition and legitimacy
Rebuilding destroyed infrastructure
Gaining legitimacy among supporters (post war)
Stopping civil war within your borders and among your own people
Creating a constitution and laws
Running a country
Americans think war, peace and revolution are easy but they have no idea what they are saying. Revolution is not a word that should be used casually.
It's not going to be a mass movement at first. Some disgruntled employee at walmart might go find one of the waltons follow them for a couple of hours then knife or shoot them.
then it will spread and become a way to become famous like columbine.
so it will be a social trend to out in a blaze of glory by murdering some asshole fuck whose making the world worst
so yeah, you are more likely to be arrested for trolling on the internet in the US then most anywhere else.
hows that freedom?
America is ruled by progressive Democrats who want everything they don't like banned, and conservative Republicans who want everything the corporations want saved.
As a nation we must first reflect on the issue and then takle it. FYI I'd prefer a Civil War first so I could butcher every last internationalist progressive liberal and marxist within Columbia's gallant borders.
Or when it goes all pear-shaped and you get purges and massacres that just go on and on, or a Stalin comes along to take advantage of the chaos. He's out there right now. Probably running a hedge fund or a used car dealership. Give him a chance and he'll take it.
I don't feel the need to be openly racist in public so it doesn't affect me, not to mention the aforementioned incidents are localized and not Representative of the country as a whole.
do you have a problem with not being aloud to be openly racist?
i mean it almost happened once. this stock market has been on a bull trend for over 55 months
average bull market last 48 months. in the next year or two another "correction" or collapse will happen
In sort of relation to your scenario. What I have always wanted to do when the nigs riot is get about 12 charter busses and load up all the nigs and take them to a upscale community and release them. I always think it's stupid that they destroy their own community. Fuck up the rich if they want to make a change or statement.
We are taking about war here.
A few guys with guns is not enough, where are your warships, aircraft, vehicles, missiles, logistics, training, intelligence, counter intelligence. War these days is a lot more complex than it was in 1775, a few armed rebels won't stand a chance against a modern war machine.
I'm Canadian as well, and on behalf of the largest political group in this country, which elected a US-friendly Conservative government three times in a row, I disown what you've written. You forget that Canada totally relies on the US nuclear and heavy conventional military deterrent for its defense posture, as does much of Europe. Go back to your libtard or NDP commie dick-sucking, faggot. I'm glad the US is there and that we are close allies, while Canada is still reasonably independent on other matters.
how can you watch TV when your infrastructure is toppled by a pointless revolution?
oh wait you are American and don't understand that the toppling a government will interfere with your power, food, water, emergency services, ECT.
Youre damn fucking right i do
nobody needs to have their natural right to make words clipped away because a few fat women and niggerfolk dont like what you said.
i cant even fathom how you can ask that question seriously.
As terrible as it is, it would undoubtedly be replaced with something worse. Source: listen to any /b/tard or /pol/ock, and observe any revolution of the past 50 years, let alone the last 20 years.
Do you honestly believe Republicans and Democrats have your best interest in mind?
I have been a member of both parties and and proud to say I dislike them both. Their statutes are based on lies and falsehoods, pillars of self indulgence for party loyalty not American loyalty.
I'm an American Nationalist, I would put loyal Americans first and the rest last. Securing the rights our brother in the past secured for us.
Just a word of advice look past the two parties and look simply at their policies and voting history both are the very same.
but it won't be a revolution. it will be just alot of rich people getting gun downed to the point where they will be scared to come out of their houses without protection for awhile.
and that's a good thing.
>thinks liberals are communist
>reactionary emotional comment
>probably American in disguises.
Same was true with the Soviet Union. Once the mass illusion of inevitability is shattered, just about anything can crystallize out.
It starts and ends inside people's heads, but for real we're nowhere near that point yet.
There is no civil disobedience in the first world, the powers of the land have total dominance in all ways they care about, money.
There will be no civil war, it will be a civil slaughter if there is an attempt.
With things like aircraft, tanks and industrial might, any insurrection will simply be crushed under the pressure of the government.
The best that can be done is to simply make conditions as livable as possible. Until mankind expands to the stars, there is no true freedom, only survival.
'no great amount of wealth has ever been attained without taking advantage of others'
>4get who said it
all for the revolution
Revolution against whom? Obama? Congress? The man? Evil corporations? To what end? The Constitution? Social justice? You want a free phone and more food stamps? You sound like a clueless teen being put through college on daddy's dime.
A successful revolution will only be possible with some true, democratic, revolutionary leadership. It will only be a revolution against the capitalist system and we will have to replace it with a democratically controlled system that actually works. This will then (hopefully) translate into an international revolution to finally rid the world of capitalism in every country and establish it with a successful internationale that is democratically controlled for the benefit of all. The US is mainly responsible for destroying anti-capitalist revolutions throughout the world, so this will not be a factor.
What the fuck, you took a legit post about the human nature of self-interest and the dangers of personal opinion guiding national choices, and lowered it into the retard-tier sport of team-picking.
i said people act in their own interest. Everybody does what they think they should do, regardless of whether its "morally acceptable" or not, people will rationalize their decisions and assure thenselves that theyre always in the right. Good intentions dont mean jackshit because everybody has them and most likely all of them are wrong.
This nigga is right. Rifles and shotguns against tanks and attack helicopters? Come on. And for those of you who think the army will side with the populace and turn against its political overlords, I remind you that recent history shows that to be a fantasy (Kent State shootings, anyone?); the army is ready to kill civilian citizens. This, combined with low upward mobility in the US compared to many other developed countries goes to show that change can only come from the top. If there are enough altruists among the elites, things may get better; otherwise, robotics will eventually make poor people obsolete and they'll either end up in reserves, like the injuns, or worse (I'll reference here Marshall Brain's story of Manna, and he's one of the rich elite himself so I figure the name gives credence to such concerns).
Yeah, I don't really think there will be any kind of change until the rich and powerful and their families feel severely threatened. They do have some fear, but most can be protected by a few body guards they have.
The problem is, the cycle always repeats. I just don't have enough faith in man to assume that if there was a revolution, that the ones that took over would be true to their beliefs. I just feel that most the people that hate on the rich would horde and do the same things that they hate the rich for if they were in the same position.
Newfag here. Before i fuck off to reditt and tumblr because i suck so many cocks, i just have a question. With 20m viewers, here, i did some caveman math because i'm a douchebag newfag cocksucking faggot, and there should be around 1k posters on any given thread on /b/. do the math it checks out. where are all the posters? seriously, is there that many people lurking?
>implying that the government having the legal right and ability to indefinitely detain any American citizen without trial as well as extra-judicially assassinate an American citizen... is anything like that
that's why I said it was going to happen.
massive waves of wealth disparity brought about wealth disparity leading to anarchist bombing and killing rich people.
and then a bunch of anti trust laws and labor laws came out of it
the rich went "oh fuck we went to far" and made some laws
get over it, this is class warfare.
Personally i think racism is stupid, but i will straight kill people to preserve the right to be personally racist without being harassed by some people who got a job at the police station
anyway i'll let you 8th grade Americans get back to planning your revolution and buying guy fawkes masks off eBay.
let the autism party continue!
I would personally execute the fucking faggots who would leave the military for the insurgents. If a revolution were to happen you can bet your ass those of us in the military would win.
look at me i'm giving less than .1 of my year wealth to charity!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm such a good guy
meanwhile i'm going to spend billions ensuring that millions don't get healthcare, the minimum wage isn't raised and retirement funds are slashed plus medicare and medicaid slashing causing the deaths of tens of thousands every fucking year
grow the fuck up
This is why we need to start preparing for a revolution NOW in order to really democratize and nationalize the industries for there to NOT be a terrible collapse. Who runs all the industries? Workers. Who will be in control? Workers.
A 90 year old man was arrested for feeding the homeless. It made me feel sick at the core of my being that such a law was passed in the United states. But the oppression even at this point I don't think is bad enough yet. It's getting there though.
We're hopelessly lost.
The people here will never change.
We'd need 90% of them to die off in some event before any of them would change.
Those in power will stay in power forever.
Jews are responsible.
Whatever simplistic pessimistic generalization floats your boat. Pretty sure someone has put a whole paragraph into each one in this thread minimum to convince you.
I would fully support that entire paragraph, nobody needs to be kept alive for free and for some reason the government isnt understanding that.
and retirement is a private business matter, not federally controlled
I don't see any real revolution happening for a long time. The left are extremely divided and aren't willing to unite around organized labor unions like the Teamsters, AFL-CIO, USW, UAW. The labor union leadership is most likely getting impressive kickbacks from the Democratic party in order to keep the rest of the union membership alive. Aside from that, reactionary counterrevolutions from right-wingers and libertarians would be mindlessly followed by a largely uninformed and ignorant conservative base, working in tandem with armed forces. Some places might be able to sustain people fighting for the revolution, mountainous areas like Washington State, Oregon, Northern California and Colorado, but the ability of a revolutionary forced, ill provisioned and equipped, to take the whole of the USA would be next to impossible.
the immigrants tried that a few years ago
>remember, on a Mon.?
this time they'd just get the immigrants to come replace the murricans
It's worth a try imo.
What you got to lose?
There is an alternative tho...all these organisations fucking you over are companies...that sell shit.
So just don't buy their fucking shit.
The dude who keeps saying how is 7th grade or 8th grade going is the biggest type of faggot there is. I would shoot that faggot in the face if this shit popped off. Right in the face. Fucking faggot.
Civilians have scary M4 rifles, per 100 people there are 90 guns in the US.. but the Military has nukes, tanks, and a million soldiers.. USA troops switch sides.. EU orders troops in from other nations..
adding to this
we spend 85 billion in a war in afghan every fucking year wasting billions that just disappear
and with the 20 billion less we could send everyone to college in america
but we don't
you ever wonder why?
you ever wonder who pays for those political ads and how they pay for them?
the rich pay the government ad money to keep the poor in their place
>I would shoot that faggot in the face
Except you're talking like some underage fucktard shithead. Stop acting like one and you'll stop being treated like one you downs-infested glue-sucking retarded fuck.
Millions and millions more than the sum of Democrat leadership. They're hated because they oppose unions. Oh no they aren't socialists let's have a revolution! Go occupy Wall Street again like good sheep.
That is sad. So much beuarocratic bullshit. That the government are the only ones that can take care of others. We had a very big power outage here from a storm that shut down the village for a week a couple of summers ago. The local grocery store had to throw out over 50k worth of groceries. Man, fry that shit up, or give it to the needy. But they can't because there could be law suits and shit. It made me sick to my stomach that so much was wasted.
>shoot my brother on the orders of the wealthy
you are part of the problem
I find it also unlikely that nations would intervene unless we're talking about China. The big problem would be convincing rank-and-file soldiers to abandon their military bases, bring their gear with them and switch sides. Getting single individuals together might happen but what we would need were entire units and battalions, with their tanks and aircraft and ships. Definitely not gonna happen.
>778 area code. 6886139
congratulations, your number will now be dispersed, as well as used to sign you up for every pop up offer I see that asks for a phone number!
hope you enjoy the wonderful strangers you will meet and the money saving offers you will be spammed!
here's a gif to add some brevity
In order for a revolution to happen, the majority of Americans will need to realize exactly how badly they're being mistreated by the rich and their government stooges. It probably won't happen any time soon. The fastest route to revolution would probably be for the government to start doing more massive cuts to aid programs for the poor combined with cuts to law enforcement funding. I'd say there's roughly a 10% chance of revolution in the next century or so assuming we survive that long as a species
The thing is, people are starting to realize how fucked up shit is. Literally talk to most people. People are aware that shit is fucked up. They won't outwardly admit it, and it's not in their conscious train of thought that we need a revolution, but it's coming. It's growing and growing each day.
should have been clearer
the hyper wealth I'm talking billionaires pay the rich government politicians money to keep the poor people in their place
fuck healthcare, fuck roads, fuck schools, fuck college
all we need apparently is the worlds biggest military to support their modern mercantilism.
that's all the usa gov is at this point.
provide enough infrastucture so the poor can work, keep the poor in line and establish spheres of influence around the globe
No, it's not. It ignores the fact that human behaviour is primarily biological in origin, and cannot be trivially modified to fit a sociological environment designed with total disregard to that. Marxism along with other socialist utopian dreams are totally incompatible with everything we've learned from evolutionary psychology. No wonder sovietfags didn't like natural selection as the basis of evolution and went with the bad "science" of Lysenkoism.
As someone who became rich as a result of hard work and helping the medical community of the world, i dont see why people think that success means you owe anybody anything. A few years ago i was showering at gas stations and selling meth, i never expected jackshit from the government, let alone anybody. You live on a certain part of north america, that doesnt entitle you to be helped by people who are in a better place than you because they did what you dont want to.
this argument is nearly parallel to the gender-fucked community demanding everybody treat then special because they want to
You're forgetting that opt-in requires a response from the phone number which is being subscribed.
Also, you've proven yourself as a loser who hides behind stupid annoyances because your argument is worthless.
You can't even reply to a fucking post correctly you inbred shit. Seriously consider ending your existence if you're not underage and still this technologically illiterate you pathetic shit. You should've taken that advice from your stepdad the first time.
I'm too much of a pessimist but would all of you give up your selfish ways to help the greater good? We all become more and more selfish and self centered every year. Evidence is everywhere, especially on /b/. Could any of you stand together and compromise on some beliefs you don't share? Literally die for the guy next to you that is a atheist, pro choicer, pro lifer ect if you feel otherwise. Thats why I think many of those issues are used as such hot talking points to keep people divided.
It's INSANE how stupid the rest of the world is.. Lets print pieces of paper worth NOTHING, backed by the word of the US Government that they are valuable.. I traded some of my paper for gasoline derived from oil out of Saudi Arabia today for next to nothing.. how about you?
Jews aren't responsible. The rich are responsible. They've got this handy trick to prevent revolutions taking place. They make you fight each other over scraps and tell you it's the other guys fault you have to do so. Racism, sexism, and religious intolerance all exist in order to keep the lower classes from coming together to fight back against the rich. The first step in fighting back is realizing who your real enemy is. Is it some big nosed bastard who is getting by on 30k a year or is it those rich fucks that make 30k an hour? Of those two, who do you think has the capability to fuck up your life for selfish reasons?
I'm an only child, so I wouldn't have that problem. I don't give a fuck about "orders from the wealthy", if you sign that dotted line then you better follow all the orders you get whether you like them or not or you don't need to be serving, case closed.
The wealthy would never fight or order anybody to fight, they would go into hiding or jump ship. Wealthy people don't want to spend THEIR money financing a private war that they might lose. It is not financially safe to do so not to mention if they lose they will be executed for their treason. You see people will eventually become curious to where the money is coming from and who has it, and when war comes nobody is using the bank it is straight cash being used, not to mention in a war the money these rich people have might become useless due to the government ditching it if the enemy uses it as well.
War isn't cheap.
I don't know enough to really know how things will go. But I do know that I feel sick by what I'm seeing. have since I heard that news. its not anger i feel. It's something deeper. Something that hurts far more. I was homeless once. I am alive because of the charity of other people.
Furthermore, despite the fact that most Americans will live paycheck to paycheck for their entire lives, there are masses of people who believe that they too can be like the Koch brothers or the Carnegies of the world. They consider themselves temporarily inconvenienced millionaires who will one day ascend to such heights, but won't. Many are content to eek out a living on the margins of society in order to live, and vote Republican because the Republican scare tactics of fear, racism, sexism, and Christianity are a security blanket to them. Deep down, they are afraid and know the truth, but blame the "illegals" and "blacks" for their troubles. Changing this way of mind en masse rapidly would be near to impossible.
Thats your fault that you needed enablers to not fucking die. What would you do in mexico, where not only the infrastructure is bullshit and dangerous, but nobody will save your ass just because?
that would be great
except 2/3 of the 1% inherited their wealth or their families businesses which were already set up for them to become wealthy fast.
most of the remaining 1/3 came from places like where bills gates, steve jobs and zuckerberg came from which was upper middle class families.
depending on what stats you look at less than 5 to 10% of the 1% actually came from middle class or lower class back grounds
tldr if you were born middle class or poor you are now working poor or poor
I didn't say or wouldn't happen. I said it probably wouldn't happen any time soon. As long as the rich are smart enough to keep people fed and distracted revolution is infeasible.
Marxism is completely dialectical. If you ever spend more than a minute actually studying scientific socialism, you will realize that the arguments you just posed are irrelevant and easily dismissible.
This is a very common argument against argument, but it's also easily dismissible. If you study the anthropological history of humans, you will find out we lived in a stage called "primitive communism" for thousands and thousands of years. "Communism," in a sense, is in our blood and rampant in our history.
Also, our "human nature" and behaviour changes over time and evolves just as much as physical beings do. Conditions determine consciousness.
Actually, true Marxists are against utopian and idealistic views on the future. Like I said, scientific socialism is completely dialectical. Marxism, in a sense, IS a science.
Soviet Union was not communist/marxist/socialist. It was a deformed workers state, which is something Marxists are completely against. Look at the example of the Left Opposition and Fourth Internationale. Marxists look at actual science and disregard Lysenkoism.
I live in an industrial town in Texas, and recently had conversations regarding gun control with people who believe that "socialists want us unarmed" which is the exact opposite of what we do want. Misinformation is spread from the schoolhouse to the churchhouse, on television and in print, and they take it as gospel. The end of misinformation would be the first step, education the second, strikes third, rebellion fourth.
Well if youre too weak for manual labor, too stupid for knowledge, and too lazy to advance in life due to the selfishness of others (aka a job), maybe you should re-evaluate your self worth.
Everybody ends up in the gutter eventually, if you cant pick yourself up thats your own damn fault, and maybe you shouldnt be rewarded for it
The two are not incompatible: you can both work hard for yourself, and for others. I wasn't content despite finally becoming wealthy (successful tech startup--funded by US investors, because Canadafail that's why), so I began to donate to a good charity (Doctors without borders) and volunteer at a crisis phone line. But the critical thing here is that I'm doing it by choice. It should not be the government forcing the distribution of wealth.
What will occur will be known as the cleansing. Most minorities have not assimilated, nor will they. A culture war has been raging for quite some time, and at it's apex, the will be some event that is the last straw. All liberals, most minorities, and homos will be attacked. It will be unlike the world has seen. Many are planning, and waiting.
but so are you, and he was before anyway, and so were you anyway.
>are you a citizen?
on a watch list
>are you a foreigner?
on a watch list.
But who watches the watchers?
Heres some words.
literally, LITERALLY everything you said in that post is wrong.
this thread is proof that people that get their opinions from facebook shouldnt ever be in power
We're fucked people, completely. If there was a revolution, after it we would all be at each other's throats again.
Just like the middle east, we spend so much money and lives over there for oil. If we would just leave, they would end up just killing each other again. Our presence there gives them a common enemy.
>Learning proper debate and critical thinking skills in the American public school system
You should both stop being so delusional as it's a wonder you can even type proper sentences if you've made it through that joke of an education. American's wouldn't be so fucking dense if public school was half decent.
less than 20% of Americans fought in the revolution war and brought down the British empire in the new world. Probably 5-7% of americans are now currently awake and ready to fight and die to defend the constitution against tyranny when the happening comes
That's why I love my country. I was given a chance to live where in other countries i would have simply died. And now I feel that is beginning to look more and more preferable. but that's not the point.
I filled out job applications every day. I was living very modestly. and I was kicked out of my apartment. I couldn't make ends meet no matter how hard I tried. I was very thankful for the food i was given from people who cared enough to help me.
But that is now changing. and it hurts me greatly.
>mom didn't buy me an iPad I'm the 99%
Sure, luck has a lot to do with it--some are born in wealth, etc. But you have to give luck opportunity to happen, and from your post it doesn't sound like you have that mindset--and that does make you deserving of blame for your lot.
I gotchu bro.
It will definitely take some time, and it's a slow, patient process. That is why we need to build a mass party of labor that can actually LEAD a revolution in the future. A revolution now would be bad news.
I'm Canadian, but I have traveled to the third world and it pisses me off when people here in the first world start with this bullshit. People sitting on their couch munching on snacks and drinking beer and watching tv, while seriously suggesting that they are slaves. It's ignorant of what it's actually like to live under an oppressive regime.
Nice going anon. My hats off to you. That is a great organization to give to. You did your homework, so many charities are so bloated and corrupt. I agree with what you said too. You aight nigga.
To those who say that forced redistribution of wealth shouldn't be the way: There are always examples of the rich working to help the working class and poor. The simple fact is that these isolated examples are not what the majority of the rich do, which is gather their wealth to the detriment of the collective good, for their own selfish purposes. Forced redistribution of wealth, worker ownership of utilities and natural resources, and the the end of reliance upon massive corporations are the necessary steps that need to be taken. Socialism would completely deconstruct the capitalist system, as capitalism is based upon industry for the growing wealth of the few, whereas socialism is about industry to help the community.
Nobody is making charity illegal, they just dont want hobos all over the streets attracting crime and drugs.
I dont think charity is wrong, I just think its inexcusable to force people to basically give to charity
ohhh so the lottery of birth should decide you social standing for the rest of your life
good fucking point
you have better chance of winning the lottery than getting as rich as some of the people control this control because they were born into
gee that's a great system
Nobody was forcing the man who got arrested to give food to the homeless when he got arrested for it. So yeah, the US is slowly making charity Illegal.
Also for your narrow view of the homeless I simply say fuck you. I'm not saying anything more to a shitstain like you.
I'd be happy to provide sources!
>Communist Manifesto by Marx
>Socialism, Utopian and Scientific by Engels
>State and Revolution by Lenin
>The Transitional Program by Trotsky
>Das Kapital by Marx
>Origin of the Family, Private Property, and the State by Engels (this one takes a great anthropological view on our history)
>Bolshevism: The Road to Revolution by Alan Woods
>Any work by Ted Grant
I could keep going.
10/10 best shitpost in a while
>I'm an only child so I wouldn't have that problem
>I'm an only child
With that mentality, you won't be winning any war there fagboy
Socialism seem fine for the beneficiaries, but nobody looks at the fact that the only ones who pay are those actually trying to serve themselves so that they ARENT worthless niggers doing nothing and complaining.
you tell everybody that the american dream is alive and then punish them for being successful so that all the pieces of shit and continue to be pieces of shit?
Eating chips and drinking beer is not enlightenment. That's what people are looking for. A more fulfilling civilization. Not a week to week existence. That's what you fight for. A place where everyone is equal and liberated.
How does that suggest anyone is a slave? It's an acknowledgement of how Cuba limits the free speech of it's citizens, in the same way North Korea does. There are many slaves in first world countires.. Debt slaves.. they don't suffer from being injured but they live lives in perpetual debt that they can never overcome or grow from.
Do you really think this is going to accomplish much? I've posted my number various times over the past decade, and every time was disappointed in how few calls I got. Maybe it has to do with that I'm not a faggot and I don't have tits, but I suspect it's primarily because no one really gives a shit enough on this board to do anything offline.
A revolution in America would benefit the so-called "third world" as it would basically end our dependence on foreign industry and deconstruct the consumer culture we live in. Following the redistribution of wealth, and by replacing the meat industry with the production of cereal grains, we could easily begin to feed not just America, but other needy nations without needing to send cheques.
still can't use those word can you cunt?
I don't support communism or even full socialism
I support a system where we say
"Hey 100 million dollars is enough to leave your child and the rest we'll sell off then use the profits to fund things like roads"
"hey maybe billionaires who work the stock market and make hundreds of millions should be taxed as much as nurses and doctors"
you know crazy shit like that
Its not their fault youre a poor piece of shit
You dont even know of my experience with homelessness, people want hobos looking for a way to stand up again, instead of begging so they can put off going to a temp agency for another day
I think the real answer is keep playing video games, watching tv, celebrity worship, smoking pot, porn addiction, eating shit tier food, armchair politicking, and getting our news from MSNBC and Fox
This is the answer my friends.
Do you propose that parents should not have the right to gift their property to their children? Bitch, please. Arguing that is a slippery slope to abolishing all private property, and is something that will never gain widespread acceptance. Humans have a natural instinct to be protective of anything they feel increases their long term prospects for optimal homeostasis, and private property is one of those things.
Also that war is completely fucking manufactured. They might liberate one town in northern afghanistan, meanwhile the CIA is down near the coast paying off locals to join taliban
True equality leads to true inequality. Not everybody is equal. Not everybody has the same work ethic, or intelligence, or circumstances. Taking the hard work of some and turning it into equality is absolutely unfair.
Honestly let's hope they don't start using puppies to further pacify us because at that point the lower class will never get anywhere with all the damn adorable puppies to distract them.
I can't figure out how to reply on here, but, I will completely agree with those who say that the American Dream is a dream. Breaking Bad is a good example. Guy gets cancer>>>Guy starts making meth in order to afford treatment and care for his family.
What the fuck? How is that an appropriate chain of events? That's why the show is so popular, because it's an easy step to make to most people. If I got cancer an was good at chemistry and thought that I could make millions to help my family I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Oh noes the nuz is out to get us. That is the stupidest fucking thing I have heard today. What news the liberal news or the conservative news or is it the independant news that is so addictive. Truth is addictive. And we live that addiction in the USA. Where do you live if you can call it living?
You're not oppressed. There is no one holding you back from doing anything. Being poor isn't a barrier of entry into doing what you want. Your desire and the effort you're willing to put out are the only things that are holding you back from doing anything. Poor choices you may have made earlier in life that prevent you from doing something (eg: criminal record, tattoos etc) are your fault. There are several well off people that live happy lives in the US that started with nothing.
No one owes you anything that you haven't earned for yourself and are willing to maintain control over. The government's job isn't to make sure you're happy with what you have. People that work for the government are just like everyone else. If you don't like the rules, then work in a position that will allow you to eventually change them.
A revolution in the US would never work. The government wouldn't have to do much to stop it. The law abiding citizens that have worked hard for what they have would defend themselves, their property, family and friends. A revolution would never gain any ground because the vast majority of people that hold the beliefs that they are being oppressed and held back are , in reality, just too lazy to do anything to help themselves.
tl;dr Get a job.
Thats a fucked up system. Really. Especially when those in control of the value of money (the gub'mint) are taking money so they can give money (which is worthless to them) to people to build the country. The government can be a public entity or a private one, not both, like the us is trying to be
you realize that "Arguing that is a slippery slope to abolishing all private property"
is a logical fallacy called "slippery slope"
oh the irony
and we've stopped people from passing shit down to their kids like royalty titles and all that shit
that's kind of what america was founded on. just because your were born into a family doesn't mean you can rule us.
except it's happening again because of the extreme wealth stratification
Fine then. Look at any of Lewis H. Morgan's work. He's an anthropologist that explains the "primitive communism" phenomenon.
Where do you propose we get the information? Getting information on Socialism from the current capitalist media/resources is like getting information on Jews by Nazis.
I don't, most people don't and that's what's frustrating.
Also, there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between private property and personal property. Personal property is your books, your car, your house, your clothes, your guns, your possessions. Public property is land, natural resources that should be held in common but are instead are owned in large part by corporations and individuals seeking to make a profit.
>How does that suggest anyone is a slave?
I said it pisses me off when people in the first world start with the oppression bullshit. I never said you suggested anyone was a slave, I was speaking generally of morons who do not realize how good they have it when they start making themselves out to be tragic victims of the evil new world order, or whatever retarded shit they believe in.
>There are many slaves in first world countires..
But now you're going ahead and suggesting it anyway... Indebtedness is not the same as slavery, you fucking retard. Do you have any idea what slavery even means?
There is a glass ceiling set in place which plebs, no matter how driven, cannot pass without coming in contact with/joining certain interest groups within the true wealthy society (NOT athletes, celebrities, entertainers)
Oh, I don't believe in the American dream. That implies hard work+luck can make you significantly upwardly mobile. I believe it takes that plus a good deal of luck. See the difference? The point is, you still need the total commitment, smart, hard work part in almost all cases (excepting something like winning the lottery).
>Not everybody hast he same work ethic, intelligence, or circumstances.
It comes down to this really. If you want to make sure everyone lives comfortable regardless of what they can/will contribute then good luck figuring that out. Not everyone on the shit end of things is actually intelligent or willing to work hard for luxury.
the government is a company.........
jesus christ how fucking dense are you.
the government is a company, it even sells bonds, it has a budget, it has a bank, it has a chairmen of the board, it has board members
Sure the rich have the means to be richer, but so do the poor if youre not a worthless shit. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean you need to go cry to the government because someone has more money that you
yeah, but they really didn't know what they wanted. You had people from all different schools of thought in there. You had libertarians, socialists, marxists, blacks, whites, women, etc. All of them wanted things to be done in some different way.
The movement could have taken off, especially if white men were left to take charge and organize, but because of the nature of the movement, they were all eventually drowned out and left because of all the illogical nutjobs they were surrounded by. That's when you heard the reports of rapes, heavy drug use, and people pissing and shitting everywhere.
>I eat when I like, what I like. pretty much 24/7
>I can pretty much do what I want
>I have a nice house
>Fuck hot women
>Clean, safe neighborhood.
>Can go to school for what I love.
>Believe and say what I like
>Good friends and family
>Can travel the world
Also people who are talking about crying to the government are speaking in large part from a position of privilege. What we are talking about is deconstructing the government. The government as you know it now will not exist after the revolution.
Bullshit. I was born into a life of poverty w/o a father and going hungry in the ghettos of L.A. Know what I did? Come high school, I took every AP class I could, did public service, got straight A's. Come senior year, I won over $100k in scholarships and was accepted into M.I.T., where I'm currently majoring in Chemical Engineering. I didn't spend a single penny, and I'm going to have a much better life than my mother did.
People talking about "getting a job" are also speaking from that position of privileges. I am physically disabled and am basically never going to get a "job" which would involve me doing manual labor of any kind.
No one starts with nothing.
Not a single fucking one of us.
You could be an orphan, a single 1 year old orphan and still probably have something to your name.
We all start with something only in differing amounts.
That would be fine, but we never make more than what we start off with, most of us struggle to keep what we have. The problem of our age is, most of us didn't who didn't have much to begin with put what little they had on the line to have more and failed. When we invest in a business, our education, estate, whatever... We gamble our lives away in a game with the odds not in our favor.
>I eat when I like, what I like. pretty much 24/7
not for long (govt watching calories)
>I can pretty much do what I want
not for long
>I have a nice house
pushing smaller real estate, micro-apartments
govt standardized cars soon/driverless
>Fuck hot women
>Clean, safe neighborhood.
give up liberty for safety
>Can go to school for what I love.
and pay off debt for 20 years
>Believe and say what I like
not for long (thanks nsa)
>Good friends and family
better hope it lasts
>Can travel the world
soon only with a govt permit
>so do the poor
No. Jesus you're fucking stupid. It's a vicious cycle, don't you get it? Being born in a low-income family is not going to provide you with the same "opportunities" as higher income families.
>Someone has more money than you
We're not talking about a few hundred or thousand bucks. We're talking about the multi-millionaires who make ridiculous amounts of money off our work and misery. The richest 85 people own more money than the poorest 3.5 BILLION FUCKING PEOPLE. How the hell is this OK???
Once again, people talking about their successes and getting into expensive universities:Good for you, that does not negate your privilege. A vast majority of Americans are either uninformed about AP classes or do not have the intellectually incapable of taking them. That does not make them "useless" or "beggars"
What if you can't get a job? Does that mean you're just SOL and you deserve to die? This line of thinking is just more of the same bullshit rhetoric spewed by all sorts of people who just can't stand to face the truth.
God dammit I'm sick of these capitalist pigs.
I'm sorry that this system is so shitty to you and everyone else, man. Much solidarity. All of my revolutionary actions are for you and my fellow working-class, oppressed beings.
Exactly! I'm mentally capable and work hard at university, but the university system is also steeped in privilege and at the moment most people in positions of power at those unversities play favorites and work for their own advancement, not for the benefit of students.
I think the thing that needs to start is voting with your dollar. Stop the quest for "he who dies with the most toys wins". Buy modestly and only from mom and pop joints. If you want to help the middle class, you have to buy from the middle class. I wonder if that would hurt our jobs, but really, not too much, most of our labor is shipped over seas. It would hurt some, but some pain is going to be needed to make a change.
I don't know if it would work, but it makes sense to me.
Slippery slope can be a fallacy or it can be a real phenomenon. You've not made any argument it's the former.
Stopping inheritance of peerage is simply part of the deprecation of royal titles.
Disclaimer: I'm one of the Queen of Canada's loyal subjects, and I happily swore allegiance to her as my sovereign when I became a naturalized citizen 20 years ago. Most of Canada is pretty happy with having Elizabeth's face on our money.
Yeah, because that will totally happen.
Go to the third world, see what actual oppression looks like, you'll come running home quick I bet. Or you can just stay home and fold a few extra tinfoil hats, idgaf.
I believe that government should be variable depending on the country situation. Dictators for the retard country that cant build itself, anarchy for the countries of intelligent, moral and driven people (obviously well never be ready for anarchy, but theoretically)
Thats why people are legally forced to deal with your bullshit and why theres so many people willing to pay you to do stuff
So do you think those that got lucky owe those that didnt?
Wage slavery is still slavery.
The whips and chains have become psychological-socio-economic manifestations as opposed to cold iron and stinging leather.
Compete for crumbs while the masters sit comfortably.
But the funny thing, the real lolz of the matter, is that we could change it all in a day. The only reason we have masters, "Presidents", "Executives", "Kings" is because we choose to give them, and their titles power.
But words only have the power we give them.
We could as a planet consciously choose to reverse and reinvent reality.
There are no kings. There are no masters. There is only choice.
Choose the winning side of history.
Tempus Edax Rerum
None of the remarks you said actually apply though.
I can go out start a business, drink, go out to clubs or events, they cant/wont just turn my property into smaller real estate/ micro apartment. Implying people wont always modify or make a better version of standardized things. clean safe neighborhood as in cops keeping the unwanted types out and services like garbage/water/street sweeping.
0 debt on my first bachelor, I took the smart route and got my degree in something useful through city college ---> state school which was easily affordable while paying rent. People that say otherwise spend money on stupid shit or don't work full time.
Im still saying things, NSA going to NSA.
And yea that govt permit for traveling, its called a passport, they have had those for a while now.
3edgy5me. Excuse me while I leave my private college campus in my 2014 Chevy Tahoe to gour buy food and beer with the credit card my dad pays for. Did I mention my parents pay 100% of my tuition and fraternity dues? I don't even pay for my gas. And the funny thing is, people like you won't kill or kidnap me, you'll print out your resumes and want to work for me.
> tldr youre a fucking pleb. Kill yourself
are you trolling me?
there is no private or public sector.
it's the same thing. the USA is a company that is falling apart.
think of the USA as disney land.
it's walk ways a wreck, it's employees undertrained and sick, it's rides breaking down and the only people happy are the owners who live up on magic fucking mountain while the rest of slowly die.
disney would break down and stop making money.
so disney would start educating it's employees so they could actually read and give them things like vitamins so they don't get sick as much so they could work. a bunch of stuff so disney would run decently even though it cut into the riches profits a little.
there are people in the country who don't even understand that without the infrastructure, physical and abstract (education, healthcare) they country will fall apart and no one will be wealthy.
and you mr cunt are one of those people
i'm out for the night
No. Look at who you'd be "saving." The majority of people need and deserve to be oppressed the way we are. Most people don't care, like myself, and others don't know there's anything to care about.
Because those people made good decisions unlike youm i know its hard to think that youre not perfect and that nobody owes you all the money they have, but get over it.
Nobody, nobody in the entire world is entitled to anything. Not money, not a house, not food, not air. Thats what life is about.
Definitely not a conspiracy theorist. It's a fucking metaphor, dumbass.
I can rephrase it for you, though, you dumb cunt.
"Getting information on socialism from the current capitalist media/resources is like getting information on Muslims by Jews."
"... is like getting information on Mexicans by White Nationalists."
"... is like getting information on the indigenous by Christopher Columbus."
"... is like getting information on black people by Nazis."
happy?? does it make sense now?
See, under socialism that wouldn't be a question. People wouldn't have to work when they're sick or disabled. Each according to their ability and each according to their need.
Ability-What they're good/able to do.
If theyre retarded and cant help society at all i think that makes then pretty useless. Maybe they arent as effective people as those that can fend for themselves, should that mean youre obligated to take care of them?
Sorry youre not smart enough to make good choices, but nobody is here to bail you out
There needs to be another revolution. Now more than ever, and it only gets worse the longer its put off.
That said, how it's done will go one of two ways.
1. You can march on Washington and make your very clear demands (not like occupy, you faggettes) heard, but you'll need a fucking TON of people. Think 1960s. Nixon stated there were 40,000+ domestic bombings on American soil during his presidency. A lot more than one faction of this country are going to have to give a shit.
2. You can arm every civilian to the teeth with every peashooter in the whole country, and it will have one effect and one effect only. Showing up armed is the quickest way to get your revolution declared a terrorist insurrection and have it smoked off the face of the earth without anyone giving you the time of day. No proportionate response, no hearts and minds like in 3rd world shithole burgs. You start that shit here, we go 100% kill mode at the flip of a switch, and you have NO idea the weaponry we possess. You will not get a shot off, you will not even know where your deaths are coming from. It will be an outright slaughter, you have no defenses.
Yer gunz are not a threat to anyone but yourselves.
Please, have a revolution, not a failed rebellion. Damn well better make it a successful one, or they'll clamp down 10x as hard and nothing will ever, ever improve til Russia & China nuke us.
You were suggesting that there was a large scale concealment and/or fabrication of information about socialism...
>current capitalist media
Do you have any idea how free the press is here in the West compared to the rest of the world? This kind of lie would require a giant, impossible conspiracy.
It wasn't hereditary. I was injured and improperly treated by my doctors, then became extremely ill as a result of that poor care. My girlfriend and I want to have children but the big fear is that we won't be able to care for them.
No. Fuck socialism. That won't work. Needs to be something new. If you can't hack it. Fuck you. You're Kicked down the well. Everyone gets to the age 30 to prove their worth. By 30 you're worthless? Well. You're lifeless.
No kidding. All I see is whiners on this thread.
Once at the crisis line volunteering, I talked to one guy, now elderly, who had been moved between 24 foster homes as a child and youth. 24! And, despite significant psychological damage, he still made good of his life. Look at all you faggots who had a lot more than he did, and are still bitching and complaining and want wealth redistributed to you. Fuck you!
The rich dont care about the poor because they know theyre not gonna do anything about it, even though they are fully capable of doing so theyre just gonna be victimizing whiny shits
Speaking of voting with the dollar...
I don't believe in universal suffrage; I believe in taxpayer suffrage. You don't pay taxes? Why the fuck should you be allowed to vote! Fuck you, unproductive shit
>Because those people made good decisions...
Like being born from the right vagina? Look at Sally Walton. She hasn't done anything remotely smart, good, whatever. She just inherited her money. Look at the CEO of Bechtel. He made is money by privatizing and treating people in the third world like shit. How the fuck are these good decisions????
My family and I have made great decisions, worked hard, gone to college. What the fuck have we gotten? How well off are we doing??? I'll tell you; we're in a very shitty place. Thousands of dollars in student debt, monthly rent payments we can barely make, and not enough money to buy food to feed us all for a week. Shut the fuck up with your "good decisions" bullshit.
>... not food, not air
How dense and fucking stupid can you be??? We're all human beings. We all deserve natural human rights. God dammit you're a fucking cunt.