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ISIS VS American citizens

>WHO WINS ?
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Depends. Whose turf are they fighting on?
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>>574618584
fuck ISIS
American citizens would tear them a new asshole
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>>574618584

American citizens panic and start killing each other.
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You're not serious, are you? That's not even a contest.
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>>574618584
American citizens, mudslimes won't stand the smell of bacon
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>>574619040
Tell that to all the illegal aliens invading yourcountry
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>>574619417
They're not here to fight or kill us though.
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>>574619537
this
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>>574619537
Never the less they still invaded. ISIS is probbaly already there
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>>574619040
my babies hunger for kebab
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>>574618584
'I'm here to tell you that
I charge the white man.
I charge the white man with being
the greatest murderer on earth.
I charge the white man with being
the greatest kidnapper on earth.
There's no place in this world that
that man can say he created peace
and harmony. Everywhere he's gone
he's created havoc.
Everywhere he's gone,
he's created destruction.
So I charge him with being
the greatest kidnapper on this earth!
I charge him with being the greatest
murderer on this earth!
I charge him with being the greatest
robber and enslaver on this earth!
I charge the white man
with being the greatest swine-eater
and drunkard on this earth!
He can't deny the charges.
You can't deny the charges!
We're the living proof of those charges!
You and I are the proof.
You're not an American.
You are the victim of America!
You didn't have a choice coming here.
He didn't say:
"Black man, black woman, come over
and help me build America. "
He said, *beep* get in the boat.
I'm taking you over there to help me
build America. "
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>>574619040

>Mexico goes to war with America
>American society breaks down the moment they realise they have to clean their own car
>Mexico wins
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You give too much credit to a guy with a hunting rifle. Not everyone in America is a barrel chested freedom fighter, sorry. 1:1 isis wins vs the average civie
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bamps
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>>574620000
Nice quads
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isis
theyve actually fought and taken over a great chunk of territory
showing off with a gun dosent really mean shit
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>>574618584

Well maybe the rednecks would put up a fight

But the niggers would all run out in the open with handguns aimed sideway. They can be cannon fodder for the rednecks
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Are you retarded?

318million us citizens vs 5000 ISIL

Unless you are talking even numbers then;

Average libertard american vs suicide bombing mass murderers with tanks
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>>574619537

>Niggers don't rape and kill white people in USA
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>>574620413
'I'm here to tell you that
I charge the white man.
I charge the white man with being
the greatest murderer on earth.
I charge the white man with being
the greatest kidnapper on earth.
There's no place in this world that
that man can say he created peace
and harmony. Everywhere he's gone
he's created havoc.
Everywhere he's gone,
he's created destruction.
So I charge him with being
the greatest kidnapper on this earth!
I charge him with being the greatest
murderer on this earth!
I charge him with being the greatest
robber and enslaver on this earth!
I charge the white man
with being the greatest swine-eater
and drunkard on this earth!
He can't deny the charges.
You can't deny the charges!
We're the living proof of those charges!
You and I are the proof.
You're not an American.
You are the victim of America!
You didn't have a choice coming here.
He didn't say:
"Black man, black woman, come over
and help me build America. "
He said, *beep* get in the boat.
I'm taking you over there to help me
build America. "
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>>574619870
Malcolm X was a gigantic faggot.
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Hell, all the Ku Klux Klan needs to be told is they can legally murder them, and you have all the white supremacists living out their racist dreams of hanging, killing, and getting away with it. Problem solved.
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>>574620434
50,000**
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there are more former army+marines in america than there are ISIL fighters
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>>574618584
>sandniggers destroyed a pair of shitty towers, beheaded a few worthless parasites, etc.
>american citizens murdered millions of defenseless civilians in different wars
americunts win, they are the greatest terrorists of all time
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'murrilards would all get stuck in their foxholes, after which ISIS can just wait for them to starve (which would take a long time but eventually they'll die)
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Going to give it to America, because they will kill any non white if this was to happen, and then they have the psychos who have more guns than all of Isis and many countries in their personal bunkers
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>>574620000
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80+ million gun owners in the United States. An estimated 4/10 Americans fought in the Revolutionary War, and of course not everyone in present-day U.S. would be willing to fight either.

If four out of every ten gun owners in the U.S. chose to fight ISIS or any form of invasion, that's a 32 million strong resistance movement right there. That's about the size of the entire United States during their Civil War, and that's not counting the non-gun owners who would be willing to take up arms as well.

And while there are the fair share of hillbilly fucks who can't tell the end of a muzzle from their asshole, there are far more gun nuts who have spent years practicing and perfecting their ability to use firearms, while also purchasing fairly advanced weapons, optics, and protective equipment that puts the gear ISIS carries to shame.

And out of those fighters, there would be the 1% that would be truly hardcore. The type that would disembowel dead ISIS fighters, feed them to pigs. String them up from telephone poles and place their heads upon road signs lining the interstate; the type that would put fear into ISIS. Even just 1% of the 32 million would be 320,000; which still probably outnumbers ISIS.

U.S. > ISIS.
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Hell, there are over 9000 penises ready to rape ISIS militants.
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>>574621429
Oh, meant to add a comment:

The standard American hunting rifle is an AR-15.
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>>574620000
nice quads

but the question wasnt about 1 vs 1. it was all of ISIS vs all american citizens
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American citizens are bigger terrorists than ISIS could ever hope to become. Of course they'd win.
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>>574618584

I'd suggest air-bombs with pigs blood inside, but if you pay attention to the non-mainstream press (aka, press that isn't compromised) these guys really aren't devout muslims.
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>>574621497
This
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>>574620289
So they are going to support troops across the ocean when literally ever country on the way fucking hates them?
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>>574619417
>Tell that to all the illegal aliens invading yourcountry

>implying Mexicans doing lawn work for pennies on the dollar = stated intent to kill Americans on American soil.
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Americunt here. Proud gun advocate.

U.S. would lose, but it would take fucking centuries. A massed attack on American soil is foolhardy, as the rest of the world knows. Guerilla warfare would work, but the massive size of the country, coupled with the deeply inbred (haha, I made a funny) resistance of 2A people, especially rednecks/bayou folk would be intense.
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>>574621829
this, fuck americans
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>>574622056

we heard you the first time Ahmed
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>>574621562
So?
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>>574622056
samefag is both same and fag
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>>574618584
>what is 9/11
>what is the question has america killed more than 3000 terrorists
looks to me like ISIS is in front so far, and that's with military help, the citizens would be no match because ISIS are actually trained and battle hardened, how the fuck do you expect citizens to beat ISIS if kurdish/iraqi army can't
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>>574621847
And the koran says that it doesn't count if they are forced to touch swine. The only way that matters to them is if they willingly eat it.
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>>574618584
The Americans would lose control of their country and then superior Canadian men would clean out the snackbar and conquer the rest of bullshit America
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>>574621562
naw man, its all about 7.62x39 if you wanted to use intermediate cartridges for deer. deeper penetration, and it tumbles deeper in where organs would be. 223/556 is barely capable for human targets.
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>>574621829
Yeah, americans should all just kill themselves with their own guns
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>>574618584
>there is a difference between isis and mericans
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>>574622501
Nuh uh. yall don need nuffin but a 30-06 unless yous want to be a baby killer. .223 litterally blows arms off of you
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>>574621992
im pretty sure the thread didnt say "isis vs american citizens on american turf and by americans citizens we mean american and every country between the middle east and usa despirte most of these being in europe/asia"
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>>574622056

Stupid samefaggin's sandnigger piece of shit.
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>>574622671
this, kek'd
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>>574622375
America has people who like Carlos hathcock, considered one of the best snipers ever who even without military training are more skilled than 100s of Isis.

Hell a single finn took out 500Russians with a hunting rifle
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>>574618882
ahahaa oh yes
absolutely

i am american.
I can perfectly imagine our obese nagging shitloards of peoples to fin a fight over determined trained isis guys anyday. Keep in mind, we're talking about the population, no military involved. Isis would kick our lazy fat asses.
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>>574620000
1:1
Isis got a few thousand members
Not millions
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>>574620857
Indeed.
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>>574622501
You must be one of those guys that hasn't fired 5.56 from anything longer than a 14.5" barrel.

.223/5.56 sucks monkey nuts when fired from, say, an M4A1. That's where this myth of the 5.56x45mm being a terrible round came from. In truth, the 5.56x45mm is an incredibly lethal round when fired from a 20" barrel like the M16. It was so lethal in Vietnam that conventions were held to get it banned for being deemed 'too inhumane' due to how it shredded people's organs.

And here recently the U.S. has started created the M855A1 EPR 5.56x45mm which returns the 5.56x45mm to its lethality while being fired from a 14.5" barrel.
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Let's think about this: a strong, comprehensive vision of the human good vs. liberal nihilism.

I wonder who would win?
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>>574621829
They probably couldn't pull triggers with their fat greasy fingers though.
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>>574622461
>superior Canadian men
8/10
Made me laugh
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>>574622742
223 isn't shit ballistically . its only advantage over other intermediate cartridges is that it's faster speed has less bullet drop at longer ranges, making it slightly more viable than 7.62x39 at ranges of 250-600 meters for accuracy.
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>>574622501
fool retard
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>>574622501
See, this is what I'm talking about. We're so good at killing that we have it down to a make and model. It'd take us about a day to remember how to kill people with absolute efficiency if it ever came to our land.
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Come at me, sandniggers!
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>>574622053
>U.S. would lose, but it would take fucking centuries

...that makes no sense whatsoever. You are an idiot.
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>>574618584
seeing as that dumb bitch would burn her hand if she fired, my money's on mudslimes
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Yeah man, let em come! We can handle them, amirite?!?!?
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>>574622917
1:1 citizens of any country would not beat ISIS militants, most of them have been extremists for nearly ten years, the question was not ISIS v the best snipers in america, it was implied the citizens would = average skill etc and there is no way any citizens of any country could beat trained militants, so fuck off with your hypothetical retarded cunting and please try to understand the question
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>>574623186
Laugh now, but when shit hits the fan and some military guys mount tank weaponry on that guy and show him how to use it you won't find it so funny.
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They be takin our jooaabs
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>>574622774
You're mad. America would still win due to the amount of guns and citizens we have. Plus the size of America is a lot bigger than anywhere they have ever been. They dont have enough people to control more than a city at a time.
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>>574623338
>he can't tell airsoft from real guns

Confirmed yuropoor/police
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>>574621497
/thread
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>>574622974
ID "Quawk"
>AmeriDuck detected
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>>574621734
>but the question wasnt about 1 vs 1. it was all of ISIS vs all american citizens

You are shit at formulating your question. You are trying to compare apples to orangutans. Let me see if I can help you:

50k ISIS men of fighting age vs 50K completely random American men of fighting age, I'd still give it to the U.S. since a respectable percentage of those Americans are battle-hardened vets with PTSD and no problem shooting hadjis.

However, that still doesn't answer the question--OP's image states ". . . in America."

ISIS would have zero logistical support since they'd have to salvage food/ammo/supplies "organically" which means they'd have to concentrate their numbers and riot in areas where there are foodstores and sources of ammo, or they would have to harbor troops in the homes of unwilling Americans. Neither of these are in the least bit viable.

I don't even believe they'd be able to find comfort in places with concentrated Muslim populations like Dearborn Mi.

Fuck, their best bet might be throwing in with radical Christians and going innawoods in Appalachia. Sound ludicrous? It sure is, and it's the "most viable" scenario.
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>>574620000
Why are you people still posting when quads just blew you all the fuck out?
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>>574623421
I'm sure I still will, since I'm neither a filthy sandnigger nor an american, so I'll just grab my popcorn and enjoy your guerrilla movement!

Also, come at me ISIS faggots! pew pew pew
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100 Jackie Chans versus Godzilla.

Remember: he's getting old.

>gorillas and brock lesner are invited to watch
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>>574622501
This guy lmao
completely clueless as to how a bullet impacts a human.
I'd like to see this guy take a .22 to the chest and see how he feels after hahahaha
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>>574623013
Fuddlore
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>>574618584
But liberals want us to be disarmed

The idea of a rifle behind every blade of grass is going away
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>>574623013
that shit's just fuddlore. it tumbles, like any other round does. 223 is a good round, but I'd take 5.45x39 or 7.62x39 over it any day. Hell, my HP 7.62x39 rounds do ridiculous damage to ballistics gell. Most HP's are meant to expand, but these just do massive fragmentation instead on impact, leaving much better and larger perm wound channels than a tumbling 556.
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>>574623642
>americans, once enraged, would stop with ISIS
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>>574623186

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYvTeS8l35A
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>>574622501
mmmmmm, penetration...
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>>574623573
Are you mentally challenged?
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>>574623338

Whoa, hold on a minute.

Isn't this that girl from that epic-bad Conan picture with her equally tubby boyfriend?

Never knew there was more of these, that's hilarious!
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>>574623150
fuck me you're giving way too much expectation to the average american citizen, so you honestly believe the citizens of 1st world countries these days are "1 day" away from being able to effectively fight and kill in a war?? look at WW2, only 10% of men that fought in it had the guts to shoot, that's with training and beack in the days where you had to shine your own shoes, fuck me the average american citizen can't even go to work without xanax, their psychologist and their lawyer, you really think they stand a chance against people who are gladly devoting their lives to killing the final goal of which is death?
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>>574622056
>>574621829
>>574622580
>>574623084
Is this real
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Mexico didn't have a problem invading the states...
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>>574623836
>implying americans can be stopped

Your military kicks ass. It will surely put a quick end to ISIS. The rest of your lazy fat peoples will not. That's my point.
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>>574618584
the whole world would win.

retards vs. retards equals less retards
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>>574618584
Well seeing as The U.S Militants ARE American Citizens, Obviously Americans Citizens. Retarded question OP.
Pic unrelated
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>>574623970
Fighting a war in a foreign nation that doesn't really involve you is a little different than fighting a war of survival on your own land.

Also, nice made up statistics.
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>>574623763
No it isn't Obama is a deep seated republican. He is trying to increase americans gun owner ship for a time when he is no longer able to protect us himself. He is also trying to cause the chimpening, even though it will require the sacrifice of his family and himself.
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>>574623763
>The idea of a rifle behind every blade of grass is going away

No. No it's really not.
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>>574624201
This guy gets it
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>>574623556
they are currently controlling quite a big amount of the middles east from different region and are still manages to pose a vital threat to border cities. and having 3 assault rifles isnt more helpful than 1 (unless you have 6 arms, but as marrying your sister is k that might not be unlikely). and when it came to bullets most americans are quite fond of "spray and pray" rather. it might look impressive and make alot of noise but in reality you wont hit anything and just waste alot of bullets.
youre basicly setting up a group that have fought armies vs one that have fought clay pidgeons and bottles
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>>574618584
texas and new mexico would win for the rest of us, not to mention chiraq...
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>>574623186
>>574623338
>>574623495
>>574623642
>>574623874
>people actually believe this is what the average american looks like
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>>574623763
Last time I checked more ppl where getting shot by American citizens than terrorists
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>>574623113
You jealous that your woman craves the sweet taste of superior Canadian dick? Your women will abandon you when the sandniggers enslave and behead all you fat fucks. Once we mobilize and save your shit country your women will beg even louder for the privilege of a Canadian assfucking.
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>>574624201
And i suppose your country would fair much better against a terrorist group?
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>>574624160

They can't put a quick end the ISIS. Matterfact... they failed against other error groups.
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>>574623790
Not fuddlore. The 5.56 tumbles when fired from a 14.5" barrel just fine. It only fragments properly when fired at 750m/s+, which generally doesn't happen when fired from a weapon with less than a 20" barrel.
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>>574623693
getting shot by anything sucks, nobody is going to argue that. I was saying 7.62x39 is better for HUNTING if you really insisted on not using a full sized cartridge like 308, 30-06, 270 win mag, 270 WSM, 45-70, 7mm,8mm, 7.62x54r, 300 win mag, 7.7x58mm, 7.5 swiss, ect.

for human targets 223/556 works, its just not my personal choice.
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>>574624343
bro califag here, when's the last time you went outside?? the fatties are honest to god taking over, granted there's still hella fine chicks an shit in our generation, but like i see heeella fat ppl when i go to the store, ANY store, whether it's Walmart or Costco...
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>>574624343
look in the mirror fatty
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>>574624343
Having lived 6 years in the US, I'm fairly certain this is what the average american really DOES look, at least in the chicago, wisconsin michigan area ...

You and/or your friends don't? Good for you, sunnyboy.

>>574624451
I know. It's like they're circlejerking over their failures. I just wanted the patriotic foulmouth to shut up. Worked out pretty good.
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The military industrial complex is the only winner. The economy by extension will continue to slog along and survive. WE will not have to starve in the streets so long as our corporate masters continue to make and sell machine weapons.
If and when U.S.A. defeat IS, There will be some other group of terror for the machines to feed on. Not even U.S.A citizens will be spared.
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>>574624264
Leave And Never Come Back You Faggot
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>>574624791
That was quite the intelligent response, good sir!
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>>574618584
US citizens income not spent on their backdoor weapons wins.
Why because they are currently hitting isis with million dollar missles.
Mean while complaining about government spending and unrelated shit while having no impact.
So really its a lose, lose situation.
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>>574624583
I live in LA. 9 out of 10 fatties I see are black or mexican. Obesity among whites isn't really that common.
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>>574624583
like even the fucking Whole Foods Store, some healthy, organic, hippie shit w/overpriced everything and some hard-to-find shit, full of fine chicks and FATTIES

like just cus you don't have hella fat ppl in your entourage or w/e, don't count on the fatties you don't see; crouching tiger, hidden fatty
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In the US we have guys that will shoot another guy for playing music too loud.
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ISIS has an army of suiciders, you cant win against that
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>fat untrained Amerilards with wet dreams of being Rambo think they could hold a candle to Islamic State, which is simultaneously winning wars against two conventional armies, hundreds of opposing factions and US air support

Oh boy am I laffin
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>>574624286
doesn't really involve you??? have you heard of pearl harbour? and I wasn't just talking about americans, look at the french they were fighting for their country and they are included in that statistic, and if you think americans are more suited to war than the french from 1940 then you are dilutional

I saw that 10% statistic on QI mate it's a tv program that researches very extensively to find surprising facts and I wouldn't doubt what they said, even if it's a false statistic you cannot seriously think average american citizens are capable of fighting a war against trained extremists who gladly blow themselves up
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>>574625028
Nice b8.
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>>574625121
Sure you can. By shooting them. You can't commit suicide if you're dead.
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>>574624945
>Downvote
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Don't forget about Americans with big wasteful pickups and suvs, also tractor trailers and bulldozers and stuff. Alot of rednecks know how to weld with car batteries and coat hangers. You'd be surprised how many are hoping for that day.
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>>574624583
you're in cali, this is why. Out in PA, a lot of people are in shape, at least for my areas. Everybody is into guns, most people are athletic, and general intellect of people here is good. Only bad part of PA is philly really.
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>>574624329

You forgot Memphrica.
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>>574624397
You can't even come up with a good insult
Canada is a joke
Take Justin beiber back already
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>>574624326
And how much resistance are they getting in those areas from citizens? Also I'd like to see some evidence about "most americans spraying and praying".
>you're basically setting up a group of people that have had guns ingrained in their culture since they have existed against a group of sande wearing fucks
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>>574625171
>I saw that statistic on the TV

Hahahaha, holy shit, democrat confirmed
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>>574621497
this
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all of you faggots are talking as if ISIS would roll up like some conventional army waving their flag and just begging for you /k/ommandos to shoot them, ISIS leaders arent retarded, they would probably just focus on terrorizing the big cities, smaller groups of ISIS-faggots fucking shit up in a city like NY evry day would cause massive havoc. Eventually they would lose this little war tho, cuz supreme leader obama would allow NSA to do whatever they want to gather info, and alow FBI/HS/local police departments with their swat gear and tanks to use whatever measures they find necessary to stop and kill/arrest anyone suspicious
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>>574624397
You can't even come up with a good insult
Canada is a joke
Take Justin beiber back already
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>>574622961
You aren't an american if you actually believe that.
>Americans aren't all fat.
>Americans are even more nationalistic than ISIS.
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>>574625436
>Heaven
>implying you're not replying to yourself to try and start a left-vs-right shitstorm
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>>574625028
you know it basically takes 2 hours to get across LA county, and that saying "i live in LA" means there's a whole lot of places you could live, right??

i live in orangevale, surrounded by white ppl (google demographs), and between here and Chico my observation holds true (idk about north past Chico anymore, I don't go up there anymore because why the fuck would I ever)
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>>574625334
Really? All you can come up with is a two word response?
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>>574624397

Smokes Corey, let's go.

>hands down, boys.
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The problem here is that you have mostly regular citizens who have never seen war (except on TV), who may own a fuck ton of guns, VS people who have been fighting wars for 20+ years... lethal, guerrilla wars, believing absolutely that you are scum of the earth, that their cause is righteous and they're not afraid to die.
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>>574625835
>I have to respond to everyone who replied to my post or else I lose
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>>574625595
No. Americans are not all fat.
The general obesity is EXTREMELY high though.

I also don't doubt your/our patriotism. But I can't see a nation containing a high portion of fat, lazy, deluded, depressed, drugged and or mentally challenged peoples against a guerrilla operation of highly determined "warriors of god"

Do I like it? Nope. But it's the way I see things. Bring in your military on that scenario and you might have the upper hand, probably will.
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>>574623084
are you mentally ill? sure seems like it.
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>>574622961
Speaking for Cali. Mexicans would fight for America.

Also mexican gangs would get involved. Niggers would get involved. America has a backbone aka everyone working minimal wage / in a warehouse that everyone likes to ignore and pretend America = Amerifats. Its only half true. Also so many Americans have guns its not even funny. That being said Americans wouldn't do a good job fighting ISIS on their own turf.
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>>574618584
Society.
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>>574625436
>thinking other countries have the same shitty tv as the US
QI has some amazing facts on it, like ww2 didn't end until 1990, humans have 22 senses not 5 and the blue whale isn't the biggest organism in the world it's actually a mushroom

this tv program is renowned for its research and accuracy I wouldn't be at all surprised if it's true
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>>574626074
Let me go out and take a picture of the first people I see. Hold on.
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>>574619040
so what i bet only like 1% of those people can shoot
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>>574625404
>>574625524
>says I can't come up with a good joke
>makes Beiber has to go back to Canada joke hurrrrrrr
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>>574625150

>implying ISIS isn't a CIA/DIA op.
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>>574625924
frig off Lahey
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>>574621734
in that case, the US would win for sure.
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>>574618584
You seem to forget the fact that ISIS are soldiers
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>>574626391

Living in Canada must be like living upstairs from a great/rowdy party happening downstairs.

And srsly dude, how confirmed nigger do you have to be when the a-z of your argument is m-muh canadian dik.
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ITT: Amerifats who think they're the badasses of the world. Typical actually
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>>574625419
well there was a documentary that stated that the M16 was originally full auto but since american soldier used the spray and pray method they made it burst auto
this is american soldiers. not untrained undiciplined civillians. and gun ownership does not lead to ability to use a gun.
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>>574625595
>even more nationalistic than people who gladly kill themselves for their cause
>nearly a third of americans aren't even nationalistic enough to be bothered to vote
dear shitlord I hope you're baiting
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>>574625924
You feel that? The way the shit just sticks to the air? There's a shit-blizzard comin, I always know
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>>574626365
>implying you're being totally truthful about that
>implying you're not actually waiting until some MILF comes jogging by your house
>implying you're not grabbing some image from the interwebs
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>>574619870
>I'm taking you over there to help me
>build America. "
Malcomy of all people should have understood that that is the only way niggers will do or build anything.
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>>574626371
>so what i bet only like 1% of those people can shoot

1% = ~3.5million

Also, you forgot a young generation of military vets.

gtfo
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>>574626396
well they winning battles so theres that...
and in a area thats quite bigger than a cuban beach
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>>574622170
hue hue much? 'Cause you obviously don't know America.
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Ebola wins
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>>574624343
no color
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>>574619040

>that quote


It has been declared this attribution is "unsubstantiated and almost certainly bogus, even though it has been repeated thousands of times in various Internet postings. There is no record of the commander in chief of Japan’s wartime fleet ever saying it.", according to Brooks Jackson in "Misquoting Yamamoto" at Factcheck.org (11 May 2009), which cites Donald M. Goldstein, sometimes called "the dean of Pearl Harbor historians", writing "I have never seen it in writing. It has been attributed to the Prange files [the files of the late Gordon W. Prange, chief historian on the staff of Gen. Douglas MacArthur]".
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>>574626842
implying how many guns you have is gonna make a difference when you get bombed
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>>574626804

Like a tshitnami tidal-wave.

Also, I would help ISIS fuck up the U.S. if I thought they'd free us from our Jewish overlords.
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>>574626651
Clearly you have suffered the traumatizing loss of a woman to a real Canadian man. My condolences.
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>>574620957
300000000>50000
Not like it would make a difference
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>>574627230
Implying Isis could bomb
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>>574626760
Spray and pray is a natural response in combat. Russians carrying the PPSh sprayed and prayed, Germans carrying the MP-40 and STG-44 sprayed and prayed, British carrying the Sten sprayed and prayed.

Nowadays the U.S. military doesn't switch off of semi-automatic despite having a burst function and 90% of civilian owned rifles in the U.S. are strictly semi-automatic. So there wouldn't be any spray and pray.

And while it's true that gun ownership does not directly mean the ability to properly use a firearm, most people with the mindset to purchase a firearm have the wish to learn to use it. I go to the range five times a week and there are dozens and dozens of people there every day.
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Well, fuck this shit. Patriot American Anon won't return to me, and this is a lame excuse of a thread anyway. Off I am to stroking my dick while watching peoples from all around the world via their unprotected webcams.
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What's the problem here anyway? Almost guaranteed that half of Americans hate the current government. Let ISIS come in and clean them out, then watch them get roflstomped by every christian in the world, because that's what they want this to be; a holy war.
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>>574627434
with the millions they are getting shouldn't be too hard
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>>574621497
Fuck yeah, this
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>>574627230
>implying how many guns you have is gonna make a difference when you get bombed


1% of Americans is ~3.5 million. No implication, it's demographics, ya chuckle-fuck.
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>>574624475
true, but requiring a 20 inch barrel to do real damage isn't exactly a bragging point imo. a 20 in barrel is a pain to maneuver in tight areas. could work in rural areas. not a fan of DI gas systems though, more of a piston guy
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>>574619927
Kek
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>>574627276
>Clearly you have suffered the traumatizing loss of a woman to a real Canadian man. My condolences.

I grew up in a tourist town. I remember Can-Am days--every Feb. when it's cold as fuck we marvel at you dicks swimming in the goddamned ocean.

Guess what we did with your sisters when they went to the boulevard that night?

And what's the stat--90% of the Canadian pop lives within 40 miles of the border?
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>>574627740
20" has never bothered me. M16A4 is the standard-issue in the cream corps so it's what I'm most familiar with. I do prefer the piston over DI though. That's why I bought an HK416 rather than an AR-15.
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>>574628137

Here it is:

>75 percent of Canadians live within 161 kilometers (100 miles) of the U.S. border

no wonder you're mad

>getting fucked this hard by samsquanches
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if you could get the bloods and crips working together then America ya
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>>574624475
>>574627740
M193 and i believe m855 can reliably fragment out of a 12.5 barrel. I think I would actually rather be shot by 7.62x39 as there's a large chance of through and through penetration.
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>>574626807
Fine. It's too dark and rainy out anyway.
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>>574627441
the ppsh, mp-40 and sten are smgs tho and used for short range were full auto is natural
unless im wrong spray and pray is pointing your gun in the general direction of your enemy at some range without knowing its exact location and pull the trigger
fire range is ofc well and good, but differ from real combat, most likely you wont be standing up, you might get a bad firing position and itll be a completely different experience
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>>574618584
not sure if this pic is boasting the USA or if it's poking fun of us
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>>574624397
>You jealous that your woman craves the sweet taste of superior Canadian dick?
said one lone autist to his hand
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>>574628580
I know M855 achieves a 2,700 ft/s muzzle velocity when fired from a 14.5", while 2,500 ft/s is required to produce a lethal wound channel. 20" produces a 3,000 ft/s, so while the 14.5" does produce lethal fragmentation it's not an almost 100% thing like the 20". Anything below 10" produces less than a 2,500 ft/s velocity and is not something I'd carry into combat.

I agree with the 7.62x39mm. It's a good hunting round but its ballistics are terrible on human targets.
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>>574626263
Fresnofag here. If isis showed up the cops the gangs and all dah niggas would have a feild day.

>cops:I get to shoot a type of NIGGER.
And get paid for it and nobody say he dindu nuffin

>gangs: awwh yaaaaaaaay nigguh we got kill some Osama today.
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>>574624640
Ive lived in the US from birth, im not only fairly certain.....but I am positive that this is NOT what the average american looks like
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Americans are much bigger targets
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>>574625363
damn skippy
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>>574628928
Spray and pray isn't a scientific term, so there is no exact definition such as "pointing in general direction where you think the bad guy is". U.S. soldiers in Vietnam were said to "spray and pray", but what they did was select a target and fire a large chunk of their 20-round mag. The biggest side effects weren't poor accuracy, it was that the barrel overheated quickly and they ran out of ammunition fast.

I'm very aware that the range is different from real combat, I've got my CAR. But people who have been going for ten years are far better trained than someone who picks up a rifle, goes "I'm an insurgent", and starts shooting at people.
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>>574629289
>Fresnofag here
god i'm sorry, is any part of fresno not total shit?
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Those fuckers are trained to die, American soldiers are trained to survive and fucking end up getting killed...Somebody is not following instructions.
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in the age of videogames based on killing the enemy with the same guns that are in your dads closet, I dont think ISIS would have a chance. I. think the real american dream is to kill hadjis out of curiousity.
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we already have millions of COD fanboys who are trained in the art of Quickscoping. of course we'll beat the terrorists
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>>574624296
You are a fucking retard, holy shit.
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>>574619417
Here illegally. but you damn right i see a rag wearing motherfucker im blasting that puto with a handgun. Si! Faggot
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ISIS would loose
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>>574629898
Hahaha. Yeah it's shit bit it can be good shit sometimes. I hate Fresno but idk where else to move.
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texas alone would ruin their shit
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>Europoors shitposting against superior America
>b-buh muh obesity

You got BTFO 200 years ago TWICE IN A ROW and are currently being raped by sandniggers YOU invited into your own shit countries
gg
no re
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>>574629813
no matter the definition or lack of definition spray and pray describes a combat method that isnt truly effective, might be good for pinning down or giving cover, but nothing to base your strategy on

its not like the isis just picked up a gun. theyve fought in the syrian civil war and then against other nations armies. wether or not those armies might not be top notch there still is invaluable real combat experience
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>>574629993
You are retarded.

Gun laws have becoming more lax the entire time Obama has been in office. Obama has not done anything to strenghten gun laws. Some liberals spout shit about wanting more gun control, but OBAMA hasn't done anything.

Obama is a republican and George Bush2.0

Obama is trying to get citizens to buy more guns. With his party shouting "gun control is a comin!", everyone is out buying guns before they get "more controlled" but then Obama doesn't actually sign in any gun control legislation.
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Fucking Iraqi army got overrun. We spent billions training them, for what?? To get their asses kicked?
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>>574630564
Pinning down and giving cover is exactly what you base your tactics on. It's called a base of fire. It allows smaller elements to use bounding maneuvers to close to the suppressed enemy and finish them off with small arms fire or grenades if they're available. That's small-unit maneuvering 101.

And yes, picking up a gun is exactly what they did. We fought a lot of insurgents from Syria while in Iraq. They're undisciplined and untrained rabble. They have real combat experience, but it's laughable.
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>>574625150
>rag-tag group of ragheads fighting other rag-tag group of rag heads, both armed with 50 year old slavshit they dug up from the fucking sand, and one side having occasional bombing runs by RC planes on random mud huts
>conventional army combat

If you think that the people ISIS are fighting are anywhere on par with a conventional army at even mediocre strength you're a fucking retard.
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>>574618584

400 000 000 americans with 1 000 000 000 000 000 guns against 30 000 dudes also with guns. Hum... I wonder...
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>>574630249
orangevale decent, pic related, my backyard, not watering back half cuz drought
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All this hate for America. You eurofags really think ISIS would stand a chance against us?

Lets change the question:

ISIS VS. EUROPE

Victor: ISIS
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>>574629993

It's official.

That cat has balls, gents.
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>>574631282
>>574631282
On every parametric scale, yes, any organized army is better than a "rag tag group of rag heads" but >>574625150 is right. THOSE RAG HEADS ARE WINNING.
They are holding off the #1 armed force in the world and doing it in style.
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>>574631168
Obama and the democrats didn't get shit passed due to being fucked by a republican majority.
The only place that gun laws have changed is in Kike York with the SAFE act. Americans buying more guns in preparation for a perceived total ban is obviously an UNWANTED effect created by a parties desire for retarded gun control.
If you think that Obama wants more americans with guns, youre a fucking idiot. If anything the whole debacle just shows how fucking incompetent he is.
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well lets see. a military style trained army against a call of duty trained civilization. Quick scope all day
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>>574631206
when your pinning down and giving cover a target youre not the vital part of the army youre supporting the vital part taking out the enemy and winning the battle.
this "picking up a gun" you call it has proven to be quite effective against modern armies (not civillians). the only thing isis rather helpless against are air support which civillians wont be able to use
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>>574618584
In the US? American Citizens.

Even asking this question requires ignorance of basic geography. ISIS is currently holding a chunk of land somewhere between the size of Belgium and the size of Jordan. You're talking 35k square miles, and they're having trouble administering that much land with a reasonably friendly population and weak central governments. 39 of the 50 states are larger than that. From a purely administrative standpoint, ISIS would have difficulty holding Maine.

Then you have the numbers problem. Estimates of ISIS' strength range from 20k to 100k. Thats a lotta kebab, right? Not in relation to the US population. Even if you disregard active military entirely, the US has something like 22 million veterans. If even 1% are under the age of 40 and not disabled they outnumber the most generous estimate of ISIS' strength 10 to 1.

Don't like the vet numbers? Theres still cops, prison guards, and private security to consider.

Even private citizens are going to be a challenge. To an outside observer, I look like your average upper middle class yuppie. I'm in my early 30s, highly educated, not politically active. I'm not a vet I'm not a prepper, I've never held a job involving weapons. I do a little target shooting in my spare time. My closest has more than a dozen guns and I've got close to 15k rounds of ammo on hand right now.
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>>574618584
it would be very hard for Isis to win, and even with a slim chance of taking the north, they could never take the south, the people down there are natural worriers, stupid, but worriers.
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>>574631186
>Fucking Iraqi army got overrun. We spent billions training them, for what?? To get their asses kicked?

What the fuck did you expect?

Pulling out of Iraq was MONUMENTALLY STUPID.

Look at a goddamn map. We expended blood and treasure to create a client state in a hugely important strategic part of the world... AND THEN LEFT IT.

Of course people with a clue went after that ground. It's strategically important on a global scale.

I swear to god, the people in Washington these days are incompetent in the very worst ways.
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>>574622030
this, not only is it illegal to kill Mexican immigrants who pose no threat to you, it would have been perfectly legal to shoot Japanese Soldiers if they had ever landed on American soil in WW2, in fact it probably would have been encouraged by the American government, and forced out of them by the Japs who loved to rape conquered women, and execute their husbands.
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>>574632243
>worriers
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>>574631510
im retarddurrr
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>>574632220
You are paranoid with all those guns in your closet, might shoot yourself accidentally.
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>>574632187
No... Base of fire is the key to fire and movement combat. I was a 0331, base of fire was exactly what I did. And no, picking up a gun has not proven to be quite effective against a modern military, using IEDs has.

Perhaps you should acquire some knowledge of combat yourself before commenting on the effectiveness of others?
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>>574632891
>paranoid
Nigga he said he's a target shooter, how would you like to play only one video game?
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"Quick scope" is the result of extensive training, a kind of reflex. US wins, with serious casualties though.
the weak neckbeards mainly
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>>574632243
Its not just the South they'd have to worry about. The midwest would be difficult
>urban areas with hostile organized criminal elements, large police forces, and wealthy hobbyists
>rural areas flush with hunters, target shooters, and vets
>Further north would become a serious problem in the winter

The South West would be a nightmare
>All that goddamn land
>Gun culture everywhere
>Hardy Mexican immigrants who aren't going to give up Catholicism or the other stuff nobody talks about in public

How about the Northwest?
>Survivalists outside of the city
>Urban areas with enough uber wealthy people to fund some serious private security forces
>Rough winters and a lot of land to cover

New England should be easy, though, right?
>Bad winters
>Large police forces
>Too many people to adequately supervise in the urban areas
>Further north you have bad winters deer hunters
>Organized crime from the Italians, Russians, Irish, and blacks
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>>574633032
but if knowledge of combat is the key those isis people would surely beat those untrained civillians
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>>574633072
I also carry regularly, but you'd never know. Thats another problem ISIS would have. You can't pat down everyone. I can ding a six inch steel target with a 1911 at 50 yards all day. Can you imagine trying to manage a checkpoint in the city when you've got millions of people walking around, looking totally normal, who can take a shot and just be fucking gone?
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If it's a contest of stupidity and prejudice, then I really wouldn't know.
They seem head-to-head in that regard.
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>>574633662
Actually yes, sandniggers do that quite well.
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>>574633541
There are twenty million former military veterans in the U.S.

ISIS numbers 50,000. That means there are 400:1 trained people in the U.S. than are in ISIS.

Of course, around half of these veterans were likely POGs. So the number is closer to 200:1, but that doesn't really change anything.
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>>574633929
With pistols? I'm impressed. I was under the impression it was more of a rifle culture over there.
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anyone?
>>574629024
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>>574634419
It can't be both?
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>>574634247
I meant hide in plain sight
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>>574634618
i suppose it can. 'MURICA!
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>>574634680
Well, yeah, but if you're trying to hold a hostile populace its a hell of a lot easier to know who is a threat from a distance if they have a rifle. I could be wearing t-shirt, board shorts, and sandals with an invisible pistol that can make decent 30-50 yard shots. I'm trying to envision how ISIS would defend against something like that.
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>>574619040
This is why i love America
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