Ask a feminist anything. Not a troll. Not a strawman feminist.

Do you like cheesecake?

Why would you post such a low-quality, uninspiring picture?

tits or gtfo

>>568312814
What makes you think you are any better than them?

>>568312814
Do you believe feminism is compatible with equality? Demands of popular feminists suggests otherwise. Or do you stand apart?

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How has pseudo-feminism impacted your view of the movement?

>>568312814
Do you like anal?

how much do you weigh?

>>568312884
Yes. Strawberry, not Lemon.

>>568312963
The Equality Act is anything but uninspiring. It's a cornerstone for modern society.

Not to mention the fact you noticed it.

>>568313054
No thanks.

whats your favorite subway sub?

Why the fuck aren't you an Egalitarian?

Its like Feminism, but gets actual important shit done.

And its not filled with left wing tumblr lunatics.

>>568312814
How do YOU define feminism ?
>inb4 muh equality

>>568313085
Better than who?

>>568313094
Feminism is a piece of the jigsaw puzzle of equality.

Other pieces include MRA groups, and egalitarian/humanist groups.

Feminism isn't the grand answer to everything.

Are you an SJW

Do you like rough sex?

>>568313160
Strawberry?
What the fuck is wrong with you.
Cherry master race.

>>568313160
Pads or tampons?

>>568312814
I don't get the picture... bunch of people with a gay nigger ?

>>568312814
Which is your favorite Smash Mouth record?

>>568313143
It's the second most disgusting aspect of feminism. The completely unacademic tumblr-feminism is complete bullshit.

The worst are the radical feminists though. Especially the insane ones who preach equality, but despise men and transgender people.

>>568313147
Every now and then. Mostly when I'm very horny.

>>568312963
/thread

What's it like to be a minority sjw shit head that nobody on this site respects not to mention anyone respectable respects either.
Occupy SJW rights are >>>/anonops/ that way
>>568313304
Anon pls, we all she is.

>>568312814

What do you think about the feminist concept of "rape culture" or "internalized misogyny"?

>>568313292
>Feminism is a piece of the jigsaw puzzle of equality.
Doesn't make sense to me. Feminists oppose equality, MRA seem(lacking info) to oppose equality, how would piecing them together yield egalitarianism?

Is this thread an artistic work of fiction and falsehood?

>>568312814
what is your opinion on the feminazi radicals who think looking at a women is the same as raping them and think there should be a national castration day

>>568312814
get back in the kitchen

TITS OR GTFO

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>>568312814
That picture is gay as hell still...

>>568313159
About 9 1/2 stone?

>>568313161
Italian BMT, Italian Herbs and Cheese bread, jalapenos, tomatos, lettuce, jalapenos, southwest sauce, and jalapenos.

>>568313218
Mens Rights Activists need to exist. I don't think anyone would argue that they don't.

In the same way feminism needs to exist. But they should be cooperating. Feminism shoulnd't be irrationally shunning a group who could potentially be their greatest ally.

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>>568313436
Okay, now onto question #2:

As a woman, what do you feel requires rectification in today's society in order to promote equality among all genders, as well as races?

>>568313292

Glad to see you mention MRA and humanist groups.

Some people seem to forget that you can be pro-more-than-one-thing.

I occasionally identify as a feminist when asked because I think women in lots of contexts get the rough end of the stick.

On the other hand, that doesn't stop me from caring about other rights related issues, ones that don't primarily affect women.

What pisses me off is when MRAs and Feminists try to make a fight out of it, as though there isn't a huge amount of common ground.

>>568313436
Do you believe that patriarchy is a real thing? Rape culture?

>>568312814
Please don't take this as a troll. This is a legitimate question.

Why do "feminists", "social justice warriors" or any other persons otherwise seeking "equality" almost invariably mean "putting down straight white males and putting everyone else on a pedestal"? Even in the OP image, the characters represent a middle eastern person, a female, a disabled person, a gay man, a black person, an old person and an otherwise ethnic person. There is no white straight male in this image. How can you stand for justice and equality by waging a war against one demographic?

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>>568312814
Tits or gtfo

>>568313757
dat gif

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>>568313542
More like autistic work of fiction and falsehood

>>568312814
Take your AMA back to reddit

Your weak female brain cannot see that nobody gives a shit

>>568313304
I wouldn't identify as that.

>>568313345
I have rape fantasies from time to time. Not regularly though.

>>568313363
Black garcia?

>>568313365
#FreeBleeding

No, seriously, pads.

>>568313427
>Smash Mouth
Never heard of them.

>>568313517
Rape culture?

Meh. Rape is a problem, but they're blowing it out of proportion. Or at the very least failing to address it in a complex and sane way.

For example, they throw a tantrum every time a new anti-rape product emerges instead of celebrating. Like the nail polish that lets you know if your drink has been spiked. That's fucking science and work!

>>568312814
how comes white men and especially gingers aren't viewed as an equal sexual partner due to the color of their skin and hair?

>>568312814
Why are the two males only ones holding hands? Is this some kind of sick joke that heteros shouldn't hold hands in public? This is a very sexist image.

Have you read In Defense of Women by H.L. Mencken?

It's a great read if you want to know more about the inception of the women's right movement

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I'm a feminist too, OP.
Picture related; My skateboard

I'm asking you to get out you mentally ill bitch

do you agree with jitler?

What is equality? Are separate sports equal? Should women tennis players only earn 3/5ths what men earn?

>>568314109
Don't suppose you come from Nottingham? Unfortunatly you sound just like an ex of mine so I'm finding it hard to take you seriously.

Why there are tons of feminist who just hate man, a real feminist most fight even for tiny tings like unisex bathrooms.

>>568313818
not OP, not even a feminist, but don't act like you don't already know the answer. It's because of the very fact that you immediately notice any image that doesn't have a straight, white male in it because straight, white men are overrepresented in popular media.

I don't really think that's necessarily a problem, but hey.

>>568313542
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>568313550
Fuck 'em all. They're worse than religious folk. At least religious people believe they're trying to help you.

>>568313559
Will do later, having a roast dinner and have to check the chicken.

>>568313757
Haha, no. The only thing I think we need is maternal leave like they have in the UK. Except, I think dads should get maternal/paternal leave too. Proper equality.

>>568313806
Yip. You're exactly right. The radicals on either side are unfortunately the loudest.

>>568313727
>Feminism shoulnd't be irrationally shunning a group who could potentially be their greatest ally.
Ya fucked that up already fucker and there's no going back.

>>568314240
I could tell you were a feminist just from your clothes

>>568314546

You support maternity and paternity leave.

Why should the childless support the lifestyle choice of those who decided to have kids?

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>>568312814
stopped reading at feminist

please for the love of god commit sudoku, jew.

>>568312814

What do you think of negro feminism and decolonial feminism?

Do you think that gender intersects with race and class to form the oppression system?

Do you think that feminism should be about the construction of feminization and masculinization in society and therefore men can be feminized by the system too?

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>>568314662
What do you mean? Here, have more of my clothes I took for a thread earlier to show some anon how unfashionable I am.

>>568313817
Patriarchy? Sure, it's real.

Is it a massive problem anymore? Nope.

We've been downsizing the patriarchy for years. Women have the vote now, we've got equal rights, equal pay for equal work etc.

Sure, sexists still exist, but they're on both sides, and they're few and far between.

>>568313818
No problem. The theory goes that there are certain groups in society that are severely underepresented in media/work/government compared to how big they actually are in real life.

Affirmative action on a small scale can help correct these balances, most of which are due to lack of accessibility for the disabled, or homophobic attitudes.

Thankfully those attitudes are going away, and more places than ever have disabled access. We're getting to the point when we won't need affirmative action anymore.

>>568314542
I'm sorry, I must be dumb, because I legitimately didn't know the answer. I do agree straight white males are very common in media but generally they have been cultural characters throughout time; the rise of the western world, and as such, the white male attributes to that. However that doesn't explain the answer... why should white males be left out of the image? Because they've been "dominant" for the longest time? Why should they be punished for that? I'm not even male, I'm just wondering. I always see this shit in feminist arguments. I don't follow /v/'s anti-feminist things, but I do usually sort of agree with them.

Is equality really desirable?
Is patriarchy really such a bad thing?

>>568314542
How can we be overrepresented when we're like 37% of the country?

>White Women - 37%
>Middle Easterners - 2%
>Gay people - 3%
>Black men - 7%
>Cyborgs - 1 of 10

>According to 2010 census

>>568314168
Misandry.
And gingers are treated unfairly.

>>568314225
Why not two women?
Why not a man and a dog?
Why not a delicious trap and a tentacle monster?

As far as I'm concerned anything could be put on there.

Maybe not the tentacle monster...

>>568314109
>>>568313365
>#FreeBleeding
>
>No, seriously, pads.

And what about menstrual cups, feminist use that, isn't?

>>568312814
Good feminist, or third-wave assbag?

>>568312814
How come you think everyone is different and unique, but everyone is also equal?
It's like you don't even know what those words mean

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>>568312814
How would you address this picture?

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>>568315217
well thanks for replying honestly and have a good evening

>>568312814

Not a troll.
Not a strawman feminist.
Serious, 100% real feminist.
No bullshit.

This text made me believe you are a 100% serious trolling fag that will use strawman argument and bullshit arguments.

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>>568312814
lol that picture is actually what liberals believe

>>568314917

You actually seem like a reasonable representative of a more moderate, sensible ideology/movement. I think a knee-jerk reaction of hatred has permeated from the critics of feminism, and I have to admit, I disliked you immediately when I read 'Feminist'.

However, you sound like someone I could agree with. Thank you for just being a relatively good representative of something very serious.

>>568315027

I don't fucking know why they'd specifically leave out a representation of a straight, white male. It is a bit hypocritical - then again there's countless other stereotypes of different people and identities that the picture also doesn't include. Images like these always leave somebody's identity out and it's not really a good way to get a message across in my opinion.

/v/'s latest anti-SJW was really entertaining to watch, though, and they did have a point if only because the opposing side was so pants-on-head retarded

>>568314231
I haven't I'll add it to my reading list though. Could you give me a 1 sentence summary? Is it anti-feminist? Or academically critical of feminism?

>>568314340
Sure, point out the mental illness first. :)

>>568314392
Who?

>>568314406
Equality is equal renumeration for equal work.

If women only play 3 matches to mens 5 matches and you get paid £100 a match, then you should be paid £300 to £500. Simple.

Separate sports? I'm not sure. Haven't thought about it. Can't we have mixed and separate sports?

>>568314431
Nope, Glasgow.

>>568314486
Exactly. I've met nutjobs who want to end urinals.

>>568314792
Good question, and a view that I used to long hold.

I don't ever want children. But someday I'm gonna be old and alone in a care home and I'm gonna need a future tax base in my country supporting me. Providing maternal/paternal leave increases birth rates and keeps the pension pot growing.

I don't have questions, but even though I'm anti-egaliterian, anti-democratic, and anti-progressive, you seem like a mature and intelligent person, I wish other feminist would be like you (or there wouldn't be any at all, but nevermind that)

>>568315027
there is an old guy in the pic
i think the answer is that people who belong to minorities are generally more oppressed ar in need for protection by society.
>>568315201
these minorities are under presented in politics, education, public

>>568315201
What country? We're not talking about countries are we?

THERE IS NO GOOD FEMINISM AND NEVER WAS
THANKS TO SUFFRAGISTS WE HAVE WELFARE STATE AND OTHER FUCKED UP THINGS
GIRLS HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL, SO THEY ARE TAUGHT TO BE WORKING SINCE VERY BEGINNING
FEMINISTS TOOK AWAY THE CHANCE TO LIVE TRADITIONALLY AND THEY CALL THAT "PROGRESS"
NOT TO MENTION THE SECOND AND THIRD WAVE, THESE ARE FULL RETARDS

>>568314854
you ride goofy? fucking kill yourself

>>568315817
>I haven't I'll add it to my reading list though. Could you give me a 1 sentence summary? Is it anti-feminist? Or academically critical of feminism?

It is more about women than feminism, which wasn't really even a word when the book was written, but it is somewhat critical of the suffragettes, yet very admirable of women in general

>>568315910
NIGGER

>>568314842
>Negro and decolonial
I've read a lot about the post-colonial school. One part that I think is nonsense is the "cultural relativism."

We shouldn't criticise treatment of women in Islamic countries e.g. the veil, because we are white and they have a different culture.

That's just bullshit. If it's unacceptable to treat a woman that way in the free world, then it's bloody well unacceptable to treat a woman that way in the Islamic world.

You shouldn't get special privileges for your religion.

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>>568312814
Get fucked

>>568314109
What the hell is whit girls ( no matter feminist or not) with rape fantasies. What turns you on? That some man would break all social boundaries to get your pussy, or rough sex ( physical dominance). Since I got in the gym I try to be more aggressive in bed, but I just feel that is not me or I try to hard. Girls seem to love that kind of behavior.

>>568315027

Straight white people being over-represented doesn't really bother me. What annoys the fuck out of me is how often minorities are reduced to stereotypes. That does far more harm.

As a straight white guy growing up, there are literally thousands of different types of role-models in media to choose from. Minorities? Not so much.

The flamboyant gay is a good example. That shit is stupid and annoying, but Hollywood pushed it for years until that's the character everyone now associates with gays, to the point where gays grow up feeling like they should be acting like a fucking bimbo. Sigh.

The comic-relief and or badass black guy, too. These two stereotypes have probably done even more damage.

>>568316098
>giving a fuck what stance someone rides their board in
>being aggressive to some random dude on /b/
>getting your jamies all wrestled over nothing

Chill, man. Show me your set up, let's talk.

Why is it possible to have an actual discussion about feminism of all things on /b/ when it's impossible on any other board because of circlejerking

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>>568312814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQfg52m0-4o
>link related
this is what equality looks like

>>568314109
Have you met a radical feminist IRL? how did you deal with them

>>568312814
Why not egalitarianism?

>>568315910
i dunno im minority and i dont think race should ever be brought up in politics. everybody under the same rules and treatment regardless of what you identify/skin/religion

>>568315968
Both signs point out that its wrong that street harassment is the norm. They don't contradict one another at all.

>>568315103
Equality in a society has quite a few benefits!

I'll admit, I'm more interested in economic equality than gender equality.

In fact, I guess the best way to put it would be 'freedom combined with equality of opportunity.'

No one should be forced to wear a burka, or do a certain career. And everyone should have the opportunity to do any career they want to.

Yeah, patriarchy was pretty shitty. "Burn the witch"

>>568315238
Never heard of them?

>>568315309
I'll let you make up your own mind. Ask away!

I guess a sort of social-democrat/libertarian feminist?

>>568315383
I never said everyone was different and unique. You're putting words into my mouth. ;)

>>568315490
I'd prefer to read the actual studies. I acknowledge that there is different physical strengths between men and women, but intellectually I think we're pretty similar.

I know girls are passing at a far higher rate than boys in schools. That needs to be looked into.

>>568314109
When did you decide to become a feminist? Have you ever went on a protest?

Btw, Smash Mouth is the band that makes most of the songs in Shrek.

"SOMEBODY ONCE TOLD ME THE WORLD IS GONNA ROLL ME" and that kind of shit.

>>568316362
motherfucker im talking shit because were anonymous and obviously I only know so much of one thing. That's what makes this place great, shit talk. Im not here to make friends and truth be told, I quit skating since I was god awful at it. Now please, proceed to the nearest suicide spot immediately.

>>568312814
What's the point ?

>>568314006
Gtfo not in the mood for animal cruelty

>>568316826
>I never said everyone was different and unique.
If you think otherwise then you're mentally handicapped

>>568316826
How do you feel about the very recent misrepresentation of feminism caused by the media?

>>568316591

>using kids to further your agenda

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>>568316826
Do you have short black hair, wear black-rimmed reading glasses, and have green eyes?

I forgot to mention I'm a psychic. I was rubbing my eyes after reading this post and I saw your face.

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>implying feminism is wrong or filled with straw men
aaand yet this thread and site and world is full of straw man, well, men.

>>568312814
From a feminists point of view, do you find it insulting that when a woman is in view distance, I'll always check out her tits and ass before anything else?
I'm asking, because I don't really know what feminism is about.

>>568312814
>Picture says equality
>No fat person
>Everyone the same height

>>568316989

Everyone IS different unique, but you're retarded if you think that's worth shit

>>568317102
and also suffer from twitter-PTSD?

>>568312814
I'm a white heterosexual man who lives alone and usually interact with people in professional situations only.

How come I am apparently a bad guy according to what I must assume are mainstream feminists?

I don't actually do anything except work, buy groceries, pay bills and sleep and frequent 4chan

>>568314240
Don't get me wrong but feminism is not an excuse to look inatractive

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>>568312814
what do you say to pic related?
And how does it make you feel that a girl drew that comic?

/b/ what the fuck is this shit?

Firstly, this cunt claims to be female and hardly any of you fucking retards in here are asking for tits.
Secondly. this cunt of an OP claims to be a feminist and you morons are actually accommodating this dick chugger.

Fucking hell, /b/. You've changed; and not for the better.

>>568316826
>girls passing more than men
that could be because there's more pressure than ever for women to get an education and be something.

what do you think of women that claim a guy raped her even though he didnt?

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>>568316826
>girls are passing at higher rates than boys

Gee I wonder why.

>A study on gender disparities in elementary-school performance found that boys received lower grades than girls, even when their test scores were equal to or higher than the girls’

http://people.terry.uga.edu/cornwl/research/cmvp.genderdiffs.pdf

Thanks feminism!

>>568315817
Men are objectively better at sports and therefore deserve better pay. Just because a woman plays 3 sets doesn't make those 3 sets equal to a man's.

>>568317298
because....JUST BECAUSE!

>>568317250
Due to everyone being different, then they cannot, by definition, be equal

>>568313727
Italian BMT

MAH NIGGA!

>>568313160
>The Equality Act is anything but uninspiring. It's a cornerstone for modern society.
>Not to mention the fact you noticed it.
It's probably a piece of legislation stopping white males from succeeding in a society that their ancestors built.

As a white male I've made a pact to stay on the dole indefinitely. Fuck this society that hates me for who I am and treats any success I might have with suspicion. Fuck this constant barrage of shit I have to read telling me, day in, day out, what a piece of excrement I am simply for being born. I quite simply refuse to contribute to a system that hates me and pay taxes so man haters and white guilt robots can spend it on diversity think tanks. Fuck it all.

>being a feminist
>being a woman
>on /b/

why do you entertain these shit lords?

>>568317353

there was no mention of gender in the original post, was there?

secondly, sometimes circlejerking in an echo chamber gets boring

How do you imagine implementing your concept of economic equality?

>>568312814
What do you think about the so-called feminist Big Red?

>>568317506
>this society hates me for who I am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA HA HA HA oh fucking hell

The arrogance in this one. Oh boy, what a keeper.

>>568316907
Well, of course you were god awful at it. Everyone is god awful at it. That's why you skate more, and become better. I guess some of us are just more ambitious, or have different mind sets going into skating. For me, skating isn't about being "good", or "bad". It's about much more.

>>568317316
I'm gonna need you to elaborate, dude.

>>568312814
kill you´reself.

>>568316826
Are you aware you're one of the few feminists with a working brain? welcome to the .000001%.

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>>568317005
guess whos behind it

>>568317712
Except he's not wrong

>>568317298
But you're... not?
Feminists don't hate you or think you're a bad person for the traist you expressed.

>>568316826
>Never heard of them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_cup

>>568317487

Equality is a buzzword, and you shouldn't take it literally. It's a vague ideal that people like to claim they're working towards

>>568316108
Grand, I'll check it out. :)

>>568316316
The same way men have fantasies of being raped too. Or raping. I have both.

Tentacles are fine too.

>>568316591
*cringe*

>>568316602
Yip. It was awkward. Ended up triggering her and she didn't come to debating club anymore.

>>568316750
Why not both? And MRA stuff too? And humanism?

>>568316881
Studied politics at university, studied outside university. Just grew into it.

The original thing that pissed me off was male circumcision. Which led to female circumcision etc. I do a lot of anti-circumcision stuff. Let the child choose when they grow up, but for gods sake don't perform cosmetic surgery on a baby boy or girl who can't grant permission.

>>568316989
You're a special unique snowflake. Just like everyone else.

>>568316997
Between the Daily Mail and the Guardian I've given up on feminism in the media.

>>568317102
I'm sorry, not a single one of those things were true. I'm ginger, long hair to my shoulders, don't wear glasses, and have blue eyes.

>>568317181
I don't mind. Look wherever you want.

>>568317353
>hurr why doesn't everyone agree with me!
Sit down, little boy, and suck your daddys little toesy wosies

>>568316826
Do you actually think the feminist movement will accomplish anything? Especially with this new wave of tumblr feminists claiming they are real feminists?

>>568317859
The only reasons they have ever given so far, are that I am male, white and heterosexual. Possibly because I'm fat and ugly as well, but that's aesthetics, so...

>>568317298

Where do you get your information from on 'mainstream feminists'?

It's pretty easy to put yourself in a kind of political bubble on 4chan and certain subreddits -- and even facebook. People find something stupid a feminist has said. They repost it as an image, knowing it'll get hate. It spreads, because internet. These feminists get notoriety, people assume their views represent feminism, rinse-repeat, circlejerk continues.

>>568315817

Women only play 3 sets in a match. Men play 5.

>>568317487
>since people are different let's deny them basic human rights and feel free to treat them like shit
that or you're taking things too literally

>>568317997

>debating club
well, at least you're not trying to be subtle

>>568316164
>We shouldn't criticise treatment of women in Islamic countries e.g. the veil, because we are white and they have a different culture.
>That's just bullshit. If it's unacceptable to treat a woman that way in the free world, then it's bloody well unacceptable to treat a woman that way in the Islamic world.
>You shouldn't get special privileges for your religion.


So you pretend to teach non white women how to be good white women?

>>568317353
OP didn't try to get attention with her gender.
do you remember when /b/ had 10 atheism threads running at the same time?
now every atheist is made fun off with the fedora maymay and /b/ is full of christian and agnosticism threads.
with so many anti-feminist threads lately this was bound to happen

>>568317353
For real. This isn't reddit. Tits or GTFO.

>>568318043
>tumblr feminists
it's not like all of those guys are wrong

Vomit inducing.

Good bye, /b/.

>>568318093
It started with my mother and her friends
Later at the university and eventually at work.

These days I avoid my coworkers if possible and try to do my job.

So far my students haven't given me any grief on that, fortunately.

>>568317712
Growing up thinking you're decent and living in an equal society, then stumbling on an entire scene that is devoted to destroying you for who you are can have a lasting effect on a growing boy.

Seeing feminist literature at about 14 has literally scarred me for life. I was distraught to think that me, a tolerant person, can be so openly hated and denigrated for nothing.

It has never left me.

>>568318157
by that logic, nuns should be shamed for wearing the shit they wear

>>568316164

>We shouldn't criticise treatment of women in Islamic countries e.g. the veil, because we are white and they have a different culture.

Fuck you. Don't disregard parts of the world where the idea of feminism is actually needed

>>568318272
They over power actual feminists that want true equality. most of them use the term to justify their behavior.

I've noticed the anti-fem and men's responses in general do seem obviously jaded

kind of goes to show- is what we see in the media REALLY pro-fem?

>>568317483
That's pretty much the only explanation I've ever gotten, yes.

I am expected to just understand.

I could be stupid, I suppose.

>>568312814
Why would we expect people to be equal??
Makes alot of sense to me, to discriminate between inividuals, on the basis of the attributes.
The attributes should of course be relevant to the situation: ie related to what the discriminating party desires (ie skill/ability).

Should individuals not be free to make bad selections, such as discrininating on the basis of a rather abritary (in most cases) character such as race/sex. It is after all to their own detriment if their ignorance results in them making a suboptimal choice.

>>568318348

Can you give some examples of you 'being the bad guy' to them? I'm genuinely interested.

If a woman rapes a man and get's pregnant, then decides to still have the baby.

Should the man still have to pay child support?

>>568317221
>what is artistic unity
>what is asymmetrical balance

Jesus fuck you're stupid.

>>568318430
>different parts where its needed
but its needed everywhere lol and I think you misread his/her statement

>>568317298
You're not a bad person. I've got nothing against you.

I probably wouldn't date you because I'd honestly like a guy who had hobbies in political activism or maybe laser-tag or something. But that's just personal preference. Maybe you do like those things?

I don't know you, so I really can't pass any judgement. :)

>>568317320
I think both sexes can feel this way. Look at males who love to be dominated? Women who love to dominate?

Nothing wrong with it.

>>568317353
"Grr... I don't want a rational discussion! Shut it down!"

>>568317383
Possibly. You might be right, I haven't actually read the research on it.

>>568317394
Bitch scumbag whore slut?

>>568317461
Equal pay for equal work. If the work's not equal, or the market determines the work to not be of equal value then it won'y pay. Simple.

>>568317506
That attitude won't really get you anywhere. I think you've got a lot of self-inflicted anger, or irrational hate going on. Maybe see a counselor or psychiatrist.

>>568312814
Why do you have to label yourself a "feminist" if you're advocating true equality? Why not a humanitarian or something that promotes equality for ALL people and not just for women when it conveniences them?

>>568317997
I just don't agree with the MRA or feminism movement, because it doesn't seem like they really want equality, or more so they want to be above the other side. Rarely do I see either side discussing issues related to the other gender. I mean there have been events in Canada where MRAs have tried to hold conferences only to be disrupted by feminists and this has happened year after year after year. That doesn't really sound like they are looking for equality. Then you go to any MRA site and they rarely talk about womens issues. Obviously both sides have a bias for their respective gender, which isn't necessarily a bad thing since they are obviously trying to fix issues related to their genders, but it just doesn't really feel like they want equality. Both sides seem to be misogynistic or misandristic.

At least if you are an egalitarian you can jump to defend both genders, or other genders as well, without having to succumb to bias or shit flinging.

>>568318451
>justify their behavior
what does that even mean... What behavior?

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>>568317353
>le oldfig shame XD

>>568317659
I don't.

It's like the aforementioned tentacles. They're nice to think about; but in reality it's not possible.

And even if it was possible it would probably be horrible. *rape*

All joking aside though, societies with a better gini co-efficient have lower suicide rates etc. As well as less crime. So I think it is overall better for everyone to not have an equal society, but a 'more equal' society.

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>>568313160
Now now, OP. You know the rules.

>>568318609
>this retard
if a woman is raped and has a baby, should she be forced to raise it? After all, it's a poor wittle kid! >in b4 fundies

>>568318593
From my mother it was "All men are assholes". To be fair, she had valid cause to be bitter, but I feel it wasn't exactly nice to take it out on me.

At the university there were seminars where we were supposed to attend and for some reason the male dominance in society always sort of ended up with me being called out to explain myself to why this is so.
I had no replies, obviosuly.

And at work it's the usual lunch room talk. Female dominated workplace.

>>568312814
how do you feel about feminists who say it is impossible for a woman to rape a man and that women never lie about rape?

>>568318430
>>568318430

I think you're misreading OP. Read sentence that follows the one quoted. OP said that statement in order to claim that it was bullshit, saying that she disagreed with cultural relativism.

And yeah, 10/10 reason to be feminist: the non-western world, where being born a woman is drawing the very short straw in some places.

>>568318679
>this guy
"Why call it gay pride or black rights instead of humanism?" <--- that's what the sounds like. It's also like telling someone who donates to one cause "why don't you donate to all!"

>>568317997
If you aren't unhealthily big, then you must be relatively attractive. The only two women I know that are feminists are hot

>>568318921
first show us your little bum hole

>>568318930
You clearly have reading issuses since I said

IF A WOMAN RAPES A MAN (FEEDING HIM VIAGRA AND THEN FUCKS HIM) AFTER THAT GETS PREGNANT WOULD THE MAN (WHO GOT RAPED) NEED TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT?

>>568319038
I also want to know your opinion on this

>>568319010

all i took from this image is that living in a large city in the US is a situation I don't want to end up in

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No, really, fuck off, gender roles were good.
There's equality in patriarchy, it means that as men and women are made to do different things, both are valuable and needed the same, since we all need what they do. And now girls are basically forced to work, so they cannot be stay-at-home mothers. That's what you 're proud of? Then you support the degradation of family and further, whole society. Fuck off.

>>568319038
same way you might feel about men who say the same thing. There will always be people on every side of things that make claims that are extreme, but I've seen more MEN claim men can't be raped. There was a post somewhere that proves women fought to include men in the possiblity of "rape" because lawmakers had concluded while men can be molested, they can't be raped, even though that was because rape = pussy penetration

>>568318676
>That attitude won't really get you anywhere. I think you've got a lot of self-inflicted anger, or irrational hate going on. Maybe see a counselor or psychiatrist.

I don't plan to go anywhere. I could achieve lots, I know that, but I don't want to pay taxes to a string of governments who clearly hate me, who would then spend said taxes on a load of lefty bollocks (that is probably designed in some roundabout way to "deconstruct" my whole identity).

>>568313436

A feminist with a brain is a woman's rights activist.

You're not a feminist

>>568318430
Why do you respond before reading the entirety of a post?

tits or gtfo

>>568317997
what do you think of psycho misandrists who claim to be femenists?

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>>568319191
That's not how it works.

>>568319221
>this mad
At this point you are grasping at straws. What do you think the answer is in the VERRRY rare case this happens?
Does it seem weird to you how likely it is for a woman or man to be raped by a man vs a man by a woman?

>>568318676
I did play a little airsoft but that's about it really.

>>568319010
"Fact" #1 is from a hypothetical report, assuming incarceration rates in 1991 were to continue into the future. Nineteen ninety fucking one.

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>>568319289
>>568319038
feminist manipulation and bullshit. Fucking women think they are so smart but their brains are smaller and their bodies are predisposed to being subservient. This feminist shit out there is just the pussification of the male gender, not actually empowering women to be better....its just bringing the male dominated world down.

>>568312814
How does dick taste, OP?

Tee hee. I'm a grill btw.

>>568319358
so what about people who don't want to be defined by gender, or transgenders?
You fuck off, sir.

>>568318397

Eh, why?

>>568319515
there has happened and I was just wondering.

Personally I say that women have full right over their own body. But men should at least have power over their wallets

>>568312814
How do you live with yourself?

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>>568314109
>I have rape fantasies from time to time.
If you got raped exactly as in your best rape fantasy, would you turn the rapist in?

>>568319668
I don't give a crap about mentally ill

>>568312814
>equality
>FEMinist

Don't piss on us and say its raining.

>>568319413
same way one would feel about fundies, or men who are extreme misogynists, etc

>>568319358
This is divorce rates in America. The spike isn't due to "feminism", it's due to the no fault divorce law that made it possible for people to file for a divorce in a situation where neither party is explicitly guilty due to extramarital affairs etc. It's not a feminist law. It's completely egelitarian.

>>568319561
http://www.naacp.org/pages/criminal-justice-fact-sheet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics_of_incarcerated_African-American_males

>>568317751
Woohoo!

>>568317865
Eww, wtf?

>>568317872
This anon's got it.

>>568318043
Sure, it will. Division, anger, victimhood, and irrationality.

>>568318095
Exactly. And women should be paid for 3 matches, while men get paid for 5 matches. Simple stuff.

If I work 3 hours making 3 wingdings, I get 3 hours pay. If I work 5 hours making 5 wingdings, I get 5 hours pay.

>>568318430
Sorry, I think you've misunderstood me. Feminism IS needed in the 3rd world. Particularly the Arab/Islamic states.

>>568318609
Women goes to jail, child goes into government protection, or if the father grants EXPRESS PERMISSION, he may keep the child that is biologically his own.

Just apply common sense each time :)

>>568318921
Haha, nope.

>>568319038
Apply common sense again. The feminists who say this are obviously talking bullshit.

Men can be raped, and women lie. Women can be raped, and men lie. It's not rocket science. :)

>>568319621
>making widly misogynisy claims
>admits to think of women in this light
>hurr why do we need feminism
Under that logic, if you are old you can just die already. If you are a small man, you can just die already. If you aren't alpha you can just die already. Because, uuuhhh, muh biology!
The irony when sissy boys write this shit

>>568318430
>Don't disregard parts of the world where the idea of feminism is actually needed

Those feminists should construct their own feminist experience, they should subvert the feminization of their own culture on their on way, otherwise if cocky femen feminists come and say "hey, we're gonna teach you how to feminist, pay attention" it becomes just another colonial experience and a form of subtle opression.

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>>568318676
>irrational hate

The nerve, given the calibre of woman you probably identify with.

>>568319736
as should women, to her own wallet.

>>568319358
Divorce is better than an unhappy marriage.

You only get one life on Earth. Imagine having to spend it in a depressing, sexless relationship with someone who loathes you, or who you loathe.

why do you all insist on being professional victims

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>>568320037

>>568320108
Yes

>>568319968
>Women goes to jail, child goes into government protection, or if the father grants EXPRESS PERMISSION, he may keep the child that is biologically his own.
>implying the court will believe him

>>568319827
>hurrr why do they call it a gay pride parade?!?! why not a humanism parade!11
that's how retarded you sound

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>>568319358
Gotta be honest anon, you are really fucking stupid. Not defending the feminist, if she wants to be a feminist, then what ever. But you are just being straight retarded.

>>568320109
>Imagine having to spend it in a depressing, sexless relationship with someone who loathes you
So, with a feminist or their supporter?

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>>568320135
>all dat rationality

>>568317487
Or, and here's a novel idea, you could just not worry about difference and equality. Get to know people a bit better, and you'll find that all personalities in general approach the phrase, "just trying to get by."

Leveling the playing field is nice. Flipping it in one direction or the other is shite.

>>568318974

>All men are assholes

That isn't a 'feminist' talking. That's a bitter woman. You'll hear 'all girls are bitches' from bitter men, as well. If that kind of talk bothers you, tell them that they shouldn't generalise.

What constitutes 'usual lunch room talk'?

>>568317751
>generalizing a group such as feminsts and claiming only a small portion "have a brain".
Since when is fighting for your rights a mark of stupidity? Oh right, you're shown what the media want you to see.
You guys realize when women wanted to vote, they were still called "man haters" when they insisted and picketed?

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How do you feel about Indians, Middle Easterners, and Asians who are perfectly competent students taking a back seat to blacks who are half as competent in admissions?
How do you feel about emergency services, like firefighting, lowering the physical standards for female employees? Would you feel comfortable with trusting these female employees with your life or the lives of your relatives and friends?

>>568320313
Except men aren't generally encouraged to write entire volumes on the matter.

>>568319413
Psycho misandrists.
>>568319386
hadn't heard that term. I quite like it.

>>568319784
Yes, because it wouldn't be a fantasy. In reality I can't pause for a glass of water, or adjust myself more comfortably, or change the angle of his dick like I would my fingers.

A real rape would be very unpleasant, I imagine.

>>568319793
So edgy!

>>568320261
Kek.

>>568320440
Academic entry should be based on your academic qualifications. Nothing else.

Grants for living/accommodation costs should be given out to poor people though, as they often can't afford higher education, even when they have the brains. That's the real tragedy here.

>>568320638
>Grants for living/accommodation costs should be given out to poor people though, as they often can't afford higher education, even when they have the brains. That's the real tragedy here.

So the poor with no brains should be left for dead?

Nice "equality" my "feminist" friend.

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>>568312814
What do you think of shit like this?

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>>568319621
I say to feminists...

BE BETTER! PROVE IT!

INVENT SOMETHING

BECOME BETTER THAN MEN WITHOUT ATTACKING THEM.

Feminists who think they are becoming empowered by attacking men and creating regulations on them arent actually providing anything constructive. In fact, the very fact that they are still yammering on about men DEFINES their struggle as them being weaker than men and it will never evolve beyond that. They are self defeating in that respect.

the fix? see above. Invent something mother fucker, forget about men, leave them be, CREATE your own fucking world that you "know" you are better than men about. Don't fucking say it, don't define yourselves as a comparison on how you stack up against men.
Compare yourselves in your success and your ability to create value and success, not at how much you can bring men down from what they have acheived just so you can fucking share in some of it. FuCK these FEMINISTS.

But Im all for, and support, strong women who pave their own way and bring "us feeble men" along for the ride with them. WE fucking dragged your asses through the ages...time to return the favor bitches.

>>568313160
>>>568313054
>No thanks.

CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE AND SHOW YOUR TITS BIATCH

>>568312814
>equality
We should gas them all

>>568320840

So you're in for the masculinization of women. That's not subversive at all.

>>568319981

here, i made a reply but tagged my original post, here is the link to the one replying to yours

>>568319981

so you support communism?

>>568312814
If women are equal why don't they have penises?

>>568320840
>we dragged your asses
don't make the achievements of great people yours just because you belong to the same gender

>>568312814
How does it feel to be part of a hate group? Why dont you join a group that actually wants progress and equality, not a group that fights for female dominance and the oppression of men?

>>568321012
>>568319981
son of a bitch. here it is.

>>568320840

>>568320826
I never said that. And that wasn't the question I was answering.

Logical fallacy :)

Scholarships should also be made available for the poor wanting to enter trades/non-academic careers that require specific qualifications.

>>568320827
What the fuckity fuck?

>>568320901
MAYBE IF I WRITE IN ALL CAPS SHE'LL DO IT!

>>568321067
Qualify either Leninism-Marxism or Trotskyism please. You can't say there's one kind of communism.

OP, you have a brain and are capable of objectivity. I would like to have discussions with you. Can we?

>>568321067

Any feminist who isn't anti-capitalist (not necessarily communist) is not a feminist.

>>568320827
This is the kind of shit that tumblr has somehow incorporated into their special, batshit brand of "feminism". The whole idea of feminism was never even a big point of discussion on 4chan before these exceptional individual made it interesting

Starting over. Why you find typically male jobs worth more than typically female, since you want both genders to mix them?

>>568320827
I guess one of the their pronouns is hisss

>>568321005
So you're saying that inventiveness is an inherently masculine trait?

>>568320827
This feels like it's from a harry potter book or some shit. Just.. terrible

>>568313304

>an

>>568321181

No, you never said that, I just implied it.

>>568321120
FINE. replace "WE" by removing myself and replace it with "every other man besides me" who in the past did what I just said they did.

sounds like you are calling me out, I work my ass off every day creating value and make $74,000 a year at 29 because I work hard and learned a skill... what do you know besides bitching

>>568312814
What are you fighting for ?

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>>568321158

Do you hate inequality and want it to be dismissed?

>mfw You're a hate group

>>568321325
Feminism tells women that if they want to embrace their nurturing/nesting instinct then they are worthless traitors. To be taken seriously, women MUST completely assimilate men. Never mind the plummeting birth rate or anything...

>>568321258

No True Scotsman.

>>568312814
Why has feminism devolved into "muh feels"?

Why has it become "I should be able to do X without feeling like Y?"

You blame commercials for your low self esteem, you blame models for your body issues, and you blame video games for making you feel excluded.

How is this not anyone's problem but yours?

Serious questions because this seems to be 99% of feminism and it makes me want to not give two shits for what should be a noble cause.

What do you make of the recent bout of rapists from ISIS kidnapping yazidi girls in Iraq and selling then en masse for sexual slavery to jihadists that can afford it? After butchering their families, of course.

Excuse my grapahic manner, of course, but I hate muslims even more than I hate feminazis. Seems to me like you're not one for liking the latter either, so my other question is about the former. What do you make of muslims and their general treatment of women?

I see you have two white guys in your picture and they both appear to be emasculated.

The first white guy is gay and has his hand in the subservient position beneath his black partners, incdicating submission. The other white guy is homely, bald and alone.

The only obvious religions present in the picture are Islam and Hinduism, as represented by the dress of the man on the far left, and the person on the far right.

This picture seems to telegraph alot about the Feminist movements obvious unstated goal of destroying the white mans place in the current culture.

Also, the only black man is gay.

Are you happy with that?

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>>568312814
OP is a feminist and not a total faggot

actually surprised

>>568312814
tits or gtfo

>>568321384

No. There are no such thing as "natural traits" but asking women to stop trying to change an structurally rigged system against them, and instead "roll with it" it's asking them to behave like men, it can be done, yes, it shouldn't be done.

>>568321559
Feminists hate men and do everything they can to dehumanize them, get laws passed to lock them up, and would eventually like to kill them off. Looks like a hate group to me Bob.

>>568321120
also....that's all you have to say about that entire post? hahahahahaha

>>568320826
No. They should be left to either work shifts or start a business, like anyone else without brains.
I'm poor as shit, but I've started my crawl into a 4 year-university from a community college. I'm going to take out a loan, once I transfer. Trust me, there are two types of poor people. The normal ones, who put their back into living and build small empires from scratch, and the ones who would stab you as soon as look at you, only because you've never done anything for them personally.
There are also the mental ones, but there are adequate provisions for them.

>>568321596

Claiming my argument it's fallacious it's not an argument on itself, fallacy fallacy, I also had debate club on high school, now try to construct an argument.

>>568321181
TITS TITS TITS!

>>568312814
tits or gtfo slut

>>568321779
So science is "structurally rigged against women"? Are you saying that because the success of men in this area intimidates you and you don't know how to reconcile it with the propaganda you've been pumped full of, that tells you that a woman is better than a man at everything?

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>>568312814
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaZvIOia9Q8
...

>>568322006
Sorry to tell ya, a degree doesnt mean shit anymore. You're wasting your time.

>>568322006

>poor people are poor because they want to be poor

No. You're born poor. And no amount of work will change that, and I mean really poor not "oh shit I can't buy an iPhone :(" poor.

>>568321860

>The point
>Your head

I'm saying hating a "hate group" is no different from being in the hate group.

>>568312814
You are perfect, never change, my respect for you in this thread is at it's peak

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is webm related an accurate depiction of feminism?

>>568321860
You're generalizing a bit there m8.

>>568322309
Are you fucking retarded or something? I bet you think thats clever as fuck huh?

>>568322121

Ideological use of science. Not all women have the same chances to "do science" like men, and I'm talking about white women, non-white women, and low class women are even more fucked in that regard.

>>568322302
Bullshit. You can always change your life, no one else can but you.

>>568312814
Not a question but seriously. You people make it hard for people like me to acclimate to society.

First girls from Pre-k to middle school yell and berate me for no reason other than I exist. Then you're telling me I can go to jail for an off handed comment while I'm out on deployment or in a general workplace?

Get fucked I'm staying in Afg

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OP, i got here late pls start new bread

>>568321601

>You blame commercials for your low self esteem...

This is kind of like the "sticks or stones" argument against bullying, and it's kind of silly. Sure, in theory you can just ignore the guy harassing you every lunch when you're twelve. But that theory doesn't really hold up, especially when you're twelve and don't yet have an adult's mental fortitude to deal with shit-talk.

The same is true of adverts. Companies wouldn't use adverts if they didn't work. And the side-effect of using attractive thin models to sell your brands is kids growing up feeling the need to look like attractive thin models, and then not being able to. Hence self esteem issues.

Same is true of men to a slightly smaller degree, except that boys have the advantage of growing up being expected to not care what people think of them. The opposite is true for girls, at least in my experience.

Which is not to say I wouldn't like feminists to take some ownership of these problems and stop blaming everyone else for their self-esteem issues, because focusing on it can just reinforce the problem rather than solve it.

>>568322602

Bullshit, you can't change the material conditions you're born with.

>>568322476
Not at all. This is what feminists are about. Its not about equality, its not about women's rights, its about making men subhuman and gaining power over them. Im all for equality, but feminism is not the way to that at all.

>>568321236
seriously. I just want to discuss feminism n topics n whatnot.

>>568322512
In the West, they have the exact same opportunities as a man of equal social standing. Perhaps more, what with all the advocacy groups and special women's scholarships.

Yeah I know, it's starting to look a little embarrassing, all these decades of feminism and men still leaving women in the dust on just about everything that matters - but complaining that it's because it's "structurally rigged against women" is starting to look a little laughable. That might have been a plausibility in the 50s, but now? Gimme a break.

>>568322502

Yes, actually, I am. Sleep well knowing a retard saw through your thinly veiled hypocritical bullshit.

>>568322751
And bullshit, through hard work you can achieve anything. Especially things like having more money.

>>568322921
Omg you do think that was smart. lol

>>568314109
How the fuck have you never heard of Smash Mouth?? How old are you?

Can you please describe the complex and sane way to address the rape problem that, according to you, is being blown out of proportion?

>>568322803
>I'm all for equality but I like to live in a fundamentally unequal system, because I think that equality can be achieved under structural inequality because my parents dropped me on my head as a child.

ok m8

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>>568314240
THIS FAGGOT AGAIN! I saw you post the other day.

>>568312814
>Not a strawman feminist
>strawoman
>you are no feminist you chav pig

>>568322910
>In the West

Sorry, the world's not the west, and there is no such thing as same opportunities even on "the west" as long as there are unequal material conditions but nice tri m8.

>>568319515
The gender of rapists is split half and half, half of em are men and the other half are women, so yes, this does happen often

Do you think standards in military and son on should be lowered for females?

Do you think a trans person should participate in a, let's say Miss Universe?

>>568313527
You clearly don't know the definition of feminism.

feminism (f?m??-n?z??m)
?

n. Belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes.
n. The movement organized around this belief.

can you mention one civilization in the history, where equality actually worked out fine.

>>568323062
Oh ok, so the way to equality is to make everything a man does illegal, everything a woman wants to do legal, and paint men as rapist child/woman beaters who cannot control themselves? Yeah that makes sense. By your own reasoning any attempt for equality is in vain. That means that what feminism represents to you is wrong, you proved yourself wrong.

>>568322042

I've argued points in other posts. I don't need to construct an argument to refute a point you've failed to make.

You can be a feminist without being a communist. This is empirically true, since OP is not a communist and the majority of other feminists aren't either.

The two ideas aren't inherently linked. Some versions of feminism may imply communism, and some versions of communism may imply feminism. But there's nothing about the basics of either strain of thought such that one necessitates the other.

>>568312814
So does equality not aply to strait white men?

>>568315490

"IQ" is absolute bullshit?

>>568323206
>on "the west"
not
>in "the West"

and no. In the West, females actually have more opportunities than men. In the legal system: both criminal and family law, the employment sector, and even in education.

>unequal material conditions
vague statement with no citations, specificity, or proof.

good day.

>>568323354
although if you look at feminism as a whole it becomes clear that it's more about doing things for women rather than for both sexes

>>568323206
Okay, but I was of the understanding that we were discussing feminism in the west. Sure, there are places where feminism is really needed. The west ain't one of those places so I'd suggest all feminists fuck off to some third world shit hole and start trying to make progress there, rather than sitting here comfortable, coming up with ever more trivial "issues" to whine about.

>and there is no such thing as same opportunities even on "the west" as long as there are unequal material conditions but nice tri m8.

What are these "material conditions"?

How tall are you and how much do you weight?

>>568322972
>through hard work you can achieve anything.

You haven read Max Weber, right?

Yeah, a lot of work can change a lot of things, and make you rich, but not your work, if you take the work of others, then its true. Because the amount of work one person, one body, can do isn't very different from one another. There's the structural inequality, some people get that rich by appropriating other people's work.

Can we stop with this tumblr shit please.

>>568323567
It actually is, this has been proven for some time now even though people still talk about it like it is valid.

Tits please

How do you address the fact that greatest misoginy happens in muslim countries and countries like India? Yet almost all feminists just try to pick on insignificant thinks in western countries. It feels like you are afraid to critisize other cultures...

>>568323614
>and no. In the West, females actually have more opportunities than men. In the legal system: both criminal and family law, the employment sector, and even in education.

Yeah, I bet a woman born in a poor household has more opportunities than a man born in a rich household.

ur a genius m8