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>>561887685 YOU IDIOT, do you think that working hard for 5 years and building up a huge debt, without any reward of a good job afterwards but instead working a menial job will make you happy? I hope you choke on a history book
Buy a fucking gps.. There I just saved you for years of your life. You must be trolling nobody fucking studies geography past the second grade any more. If you want a real career why not get into newspaper delivery or typewriter maintainence.
For general employment straight out of uni arguably shit tier. However, as far as I'm aware its a really well respected degree in academic circles and allows you to pretty much do anything you want post grad.
>>561889916 1. You should learn to speak English 2. Every major bank, oil company, engineering company, car company, Google, NASA, Microsoft, Apple, Intel, and the FBI/CIA/NSA are literally SCREAMING for more math ppl
>>561892307 yeah as I said before I don't think languages at uni are shit tier, there are plenty of jobs
>>561890380 >Mathematics gets you a job as a maths teacher Mathematics gets you a job at Google, NASA, NSA, CIA, Bank of America, Apple, Intel, Citigroup, Microsoft, Toyota, GM, HP, JP Morgan Chase, Deutsche Bank, etc etc.
>>561892307 it's "lucrative" in the sense that you'll spend like 9 years in school to make, at best, around 70k a year. And that's IF you can get a job - there are hardly any tenure track professorships opening up anymore, so you'll probably be stuck being an adjunct/associate professor for years bouncing around from college to college with no benefits or job security. Maybe a couple decades down the line you'll get a tenure track job, and that's only if you are productive enough in the academic community.
>>561893063 because fucking everyone, especially girls, picks psychology as their major when they don't know what else they want to do. A bachelors in psychology is pretty shit tier. It'd be only worth something if you went on to get your doctorate in it.
My dad works at Intel and he claims that the true 'inventors' are the mathematicians. They come up with the original ideas for innovation, consequently the physicians follow up on their ideas to find out if it's possible, then the engineers step in to actually design the machine. And then the non-university degree engineers actually build the machine. So within Intel, and I suspect also other tech companies like ASML, AMD, NVidia, Samsung etc the process of innovation is this:
math --> physics --> engineering --> lower tier vocational engineers
>>561893432 you have to keep in mind that a lot of the people arguing about tiers/making these images either are still in college or haven't gone to college. In other words, they don't know what they're talking about.
>>561893272 I'm planning on double majoring in psych and computer science, eventually getting my doctorate in either organizational psychology or cognitive neuroscience and getting my masters in CS, and padding out my resume with at least four internships and experience with big data
>>561893810 if you are just going to college to have 4 years of fun and relaxation, you're on the right track. I would say though that sociology is the same way in terms of having a shitload of sorority girls and is a bit easier than psychology.
If you want to actually use your degree to get a job though, you're in the wrong major. I can't tell you which degree to pick because I don't know you or what you want to do. Do some research, check out job postings in different fields, and pick one where you are reasonably confident you can find a job in after you graduate
>>561894018 You have no idea how many people within companies like Intel, Toyota etc are busy all day crunching numbers and formulas and not actually "engineering" anything. You don't know what you're talking about
>>561894037 it's the same thing really. Some places call it astronomy, some astrophysics. My degree was in astronomy too, but I call myself an astrophysicist because it sounds cooler and is still accurate.
Most people think of observational astronomy when you say you're an astronomer, and I don't do that. I've never used a telescope professionally, either in my 9 years of school or my first year of postdoc work (this year), and if you asked me to identify a planet or stars in the sky i wouldn't have a fucking clue
>>561893561 >>561893692 k can you guys explain to me what I can do with a BA in CS? if it helps, my idea (note it isn't necessary, just what my dream is) is something where I can work at home. is that possible?
I've done hiring and work in the computer science field for about 12 years.
You don't really need college for it; you simply cannot be taught how to independently think critically. The best people I've ever hired were those who learned outside of school. It's actually been the quiet mantra for hiring candidates (at least in my field).
There's another couple sayings in hiring computer science grads among IT hiring - one is "the only way to be certain they know nothing practical is that they went to school for it"
I know for me personally - and have confirmed with a few other hiring managers - when I am interviewing for my department, if they even mention college it's a red flag. You should be in the real world doing shit, not pissing around in a school lab.
Also note the job descriptions, especially in CS / IT, that say "NO RECENT GRADS".
>>561893675 A lot of companys hire mathematicians and physicians for really complex problem-solving and for making (computational) models of something too complex to simulate. They are actually really demanded and usually find a well paying job quite fast for all I know.
>>561894112 I am literally shit at everything I do. I was hoping to become one of those counselors that have there own office and get moms to bring in 12 y/o autistic kids that talk to me for an hour and I get outrageous amounts of money. Basically I want the easy life, suggestions to major in?
Astrophysics is very similar to Physics, as a degree in my Uni anyway, I'm the same as anon over there, I have no idea about any sort of identifying stars and stuff, and I doubt I ever will, so yeh. It's basically just Physics
>>561894369 >if you asked me to identify a planet or stars in the sky i wouldn't have a fucking clue Brofist. However don't you think if someone would be 100% interested in astrophysics, they would know stars and planets in the sky?
when I studied it in 2003 it WS the single most employable degree, statistically. I'm sure that includes shit tier jobs though.
with that said, most jobs look at whether you have a degree or not, period. then they look where it comes from. then, and only then, do they look at the degree specialty. unless you are wanting to go into a job which requires specialism then don't worry too much what you take.
>>561886974 Geology and Statistics can lead to very high paying occupations in the oil&gas and "high finance" sectors, respectively. Business is genuinely shit tier, however Economics is quality if it's from a top quality university.
>>561895183 that's usually how people get into it. I mean, I could tell you which one the sun is and which constellation orion is, and if I'm lucky I could identify Jupiter, but I just never had a reason to look at the sky much. All of my work since I started has involved making galaxies on supercomputers. The little observational data I use I get from other people.
>>561894776 ...well then what the fuck do I do. you kind of just murdered my dream. >inb4 don't go to college and learn on your own it's too late for that. I'm deadest on going to college, and I want to be able to do something with computers (preferably at home) for the rest of my life.
>>561895759 i don't fucking know, ask your advisor at college. There is no get-rich-quick major. You have to find something a) you are personally good at, and b) is a marketable skill/there are a lot of jobs in the field. This could be computer science, could be business, could be anything. There is no easy answer
>>561890380 Ha ur kiddin right... engineers are mathmeticians/physicists who decided to do something useful with all that maths and physics. Arguing over equations on a page didn't progress society, engineers putting that theory into practice did. >>561886570 Do what makes you happy op. Its what you'll be doing for the rest of your miserable life
>>561895806 To give yourself relevant experience in the field you're studying, which makes you way more attractive to hiring managers. The majority of students just go to school and fuck off during their breaks, so when they graduate the only thing they can put on there is the degree.
>>561896051 Historian, maybe? I don't think History majors are really sought after in any profession, to be honest.
The few times people have tried to bring up mathematics in a bad light have all been shit-stomped, I'm really glad for that. Going for my Masters of Mathematics now and it's one fuckin' hell of a ride.
GOD TIER: Mathematics, Medicine, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Chemical Engineering, Petroleum Engineering, Law
GOOD Tier: Statistics, Geology, Physics, Computer Scientists
Everything else is meh to shit tier.
Also your major is really one a few factors. You also have to consider your institution, your extracurriculars, your internships/work experience and your academic, personal and professional relationships.
Well all of my successful mates that work in programming / development at least started learning on their own before college
I wouldn't go as far as to say college is useless (or bad) but at the end of the day, you will be up against people who have been programming since they were kids and have a natural drive for it as well
If you've literally waited until you're in college before trying it then it doesn't bode well
I don't think that's unique to computer fields though ... I've recruited for finance/banking and its very obvious when somebody has a natural interest that extends beyond what they learnt in class and these are the guys who nail the interviews
>>561895554 Because, despite beeing able to earn a lot of money, it'll get you hated by pretty much the entire rest of the employees who have to suffer from your "great" ideas that were pushed through without somone who actually knows enough about the matter having a look at it. At least that what usually happens. The economists come up with something that makes great sense on the paper but won't work out in reality and the rest of the company needs to make it work regardless.
>>561890380 >Engineering is filled with people who couldn't get into physics or mathematics Actually you don't stand a chance in engineering if you suck at the others. And mind you, maths and physics are pretty useless if there are no engineers using those discoveries. You can't drive an idea.
>>561895839 read, learn on your own, conceive of and do interesting projects.
it's not that hard, you obviously have the internet.
if you can't self-learn without being taught or dictated to, you don't really have a shot at being successful with anything CS / IT related. It's mostly independent thought / creative solutions oriented.
>>561897015 it's hard to find a job with it in mathematics specifically, but it's one of those degrees where it's very easy to find a job in loosely related fields. A mathemetician (and physicists, etc) has a set of skills that is desirable in many fields beyond just mathematics.
>>561896429 >>561896516 alright, alright. So the main message I'm receiving here is learn on your own. I get it. Now before you guys all face palm, I'm one of those guys who have not researched programming much or at all really, however, I'm taking GE classes my first quarter so there's still time, and trust me I have a shit ton of ambition and drive to learn independently. The only reason why I'm waiting till the last minute to do anything with programming is because that's just who I am. I always wait till the last minute to do things. What do you guys suggest to do to start off learning about programming, and how to get involved with projects that'll end up giving me experience and ultimately what I will be referencing in future interviews?
>>561896429 what he said. a fun little story I have is one of the guys I hired about 5 years ago - he was amazing at programmatic logic. Hadn't really developed much but amazed me in the interview stage. Was a 1st year college dropout (anthropology).
6 months ago he left my company and got hired on as a sr. dev at Google here in town.
I still have NEVER seen someone create logic loops like that guy. naturally brilliant. this is what you're up against. can't be taught.
>>561896394 You put medicine in $$ god tier but don't forget a vast number of medicine students become general practicioner, or whatever that's called in other countries, and don't earn that much money at all, however they do have to sweat and study for 7+ years and build up a huge study loan
>>561897720 well, I'm assuming chemistry is the field you want to actually make money in and the art thing is just tacked on for fun. You'll be able to spin some bullshit about being "balanced" to some interviewers which will help a bit, but that's probably the only thing your art degree is going to do for you.
I'm interested where Architecture fits on this chart in the minds of you robots. Being an archi graduate I obviously see it as very high, and it does have very high employability (about 90-95% of graduates get a job in architecture within 3 months at my uni). It suffered a lot during the job crisis in the recession but it's bouncing back now.
Have a BS in geography, if u like GIS it might be for you. I work for a state mapping agency. Programs like Google Earth and ArcGIS are exploding right now. However, to get a top-tier job you would prolly need a master's or PhD.
>>561897713 I'm obviously gonna change that when I'm going to work for something for the rest of my life, on top of that something I love doing. The only reason why I do things last minute is because things that don't interest me, like English. I did all the fucking essays and goddamn reports last minute, every single one of them, but I ended up passing the AP Comp exam with a 4. >but muh deadlines like I said, it's now something I actually care about, so I'll comply and do things quickly, efficiently, and effectively as possible. whatever experience that I'm gonna receive with whatever project I'm gonna work on soon is what I'll demonstrate my actual thrive to learn, and reference that. why are you making a pseudo interview with my fresh out of high school mentality, of course it's gonna be bad.
>>561897905 this is happening over here too anon. several countries have a big demand for GPs and they end up making more money than most of the specialists. Doctors that choose to specialize end up wasting more time and money, enter the job market latter and most of them do not have enough "fame" to back them up so that they can build their own clinic.
There's not god-tier or shit-tier fields of education.
I've got a friend who graduated in political sciences - he's now head of a think tank.
Other friend - Applied Physics, graduated with honors, etc. Works as a blue collar in some courier business.
Me? Political Science, International Relations, now studying the Law. I know 2 languages perfectly and I learn to speak russian at the moment (by myself). Got experience in various fields of office work, sometimes get my hands dirty (when needed). Can't change dead-end, low-pay job, because would have to move to another city (mine is shitty when it comes to work), but can't move because have no money.
Life is just full of surprises - good or nasty. You're either lucky or you're not.
>>561899478 >you in charge of quoting but seriously yeah bartlett is pretty avante garde, well sort of. they're quite interested in processes of generating architecture and you have to have really interesting rationale for a project to be liked. not to mention there are some people who have god-tier drawing ability so you need a good eye for design. you don't need to draw beautifully to do well, they're looking for ideas, but making a beautiful piece of work will certainly win over the tutors.
don't worry about it, it's the best thing i ever did and if you're up to the challenge it's a very enjoyable degree. just be prepared for a lot of late nights. Like, 4-day continuous allnighters sort of thing. I kept a sleeping bag under my desk in the studio. architects kind of like to go on about the amount of late nights but they're not really exaggerating.
>>561886828 my girlfriend is doing urban planning and she loves it. i guess it depends on your area but really you can get a job with urban design anywhere as long as you speak the language. she's going to school in toronto and she said there are a fuck ton of different areas you can study within urban planning. there's a whole political side to it as well.
what didn't you like about it? anything i should tell her to be careful of?
If you can swing a mathematics degree with a decent GPA then you should double major. Math/Engineering (Civil, Mechanical, or Chemical) Math/Comp Sci Math/Finance Math/Physics (Academia track)
Math alone I'd push for them to start taking Actuary exams their second year (need that 200+ level probability course for the first one). Arguably one of the best paying careers requiring just a BS (knuckle down and take the year or two of Physic, BS is worth MUCH more than a BA)
Business is a shit tier degree unless you have an MBA from one of maybe 6 schools. Law is back to being about the top-15 again.
Geography? I guess you can be a Middle-School social studies teacher.
>>561899905 im pretty bad at drawing even though i did fine art for high school and everyone went on to study architecture(grand total of two). i guess it's kind of the same for fine art too since the idea and rationale kind of helped with my helplessness in techniques
You need to make sure your degree has some kind of placement or work experience in the field or its fucking worthless. I'd also look into the fucking job markets and try and predict the trends for the next 5 years, if i were to start again i wouldnt even go to uni id try and get a low level job in a bigger firm and work my way up a much better use of the time with cash and experience gained and no debt.
>>561886570 >economics and business not God tier >yfw you realize business and economics grads make 100k+ starting with just a bachelors when they go to a good school >mfw when I realize how many shitheads try to get in business and economics and business from their shitty local state college with a 2.0 GPA and run down our glorious majors
>>561886570 >what can i do with it later? Go to Mars or the Moon, for instance. They need geologists there. If you stay on earth you're better off with some kind of material science (which is still similar).
Now let me see your controversial picture. >alright, it's pretty stupid
>>561900102 Oh I liked the study very much, don't get me wrong. It's just the career perspective that I had, graduating in Europe in Nov 2012, that was extremely shitty. No jobs whatsoever. It's still very shitty, also in Canada trust me. Anyone who is still studying still believes in the fairytale stories that you can get loads of interesting different jobs but when people graduate, reality kicks in, and you find out that there are no jobs and you first you have to work 6 months as a dishwasher, then work 6 months FOR FREE at a company you do like, then get a minimum wage / internship contract at that company for $1000 per month full time, etc etc. It's really, really shitty.
However, until about 2011 the job market was quite good (as far as I know) in EU and USA, everyone I know who graduated then now has good jobs. I think somewhere in the next 5 years it will improve. Urban Planning is not like Anthropology or Psychology; there's just temporary low times. Although temporary could mean 10 years...
>>561900790 that'll help. an eye for aesthetics and composition is more important than just being able to draw things. and tutors have very good bullshit detectors so just make sure the rationale you're coming up with isn't just made up on the spot or you'll get bad feedback. and usually they wont even call you out on it, they'll just listen to what you're saying and quietly give you terrible grades.
>>561901250 >those answers were balls in what way? if you persist on having something to say, in this case bullshit criticism, back it up with something >but how am I supposed to back it up, I'm aye non I'm just a /bee/ro, hurrrrr then shut the fuck up unless you have something useful to say. Stating that I'm a young inexperienced fuck is obvious, and doesn't help. also saying "you don't need to convince me" is a fuck way to try and justify your statements.
>>561891437 as much as philosophy students like to imagine they're just like ancient greek philosophers debating the real truths of the world while everyone else goes on with the mundane things in life, the reality is that most are somewhat lazy, have an interest in literature, and smoke weed and get all profound with each other. so they study philosophy, have a great 3 years learning about the things they always enjoyed, then go get a nice comfy job at starbucks.
the difference is there's no relevant job for philosophy. there's no such thing as a professional philosopher. (of course you could be a successful author but thats different). so it will always be an indulgence degree, taken for the enjoyment of study and not for a relevant career. if you understand that then fine, go ahead and study it, and good luck. but it's not a higher tier degree because it doesnt directly contribute to your employability and it doesn't have a tangible benefit to society, no matter what philosophers are going to try to say.
>>561890694 I'd say it's because *so many people* are jumping on the Comp Sci bandwagon, with the thought that it'll certainly land them a 6-figure job right after graduation. The problem is, if everyone's doing it, it saturates the market, making it (meaning the person who did Comp Sci) in less demand, because there are SO MANY other fine graduates who can do exactly the same thing as the other.
Honestly, go into the field you are MOST passionate about. The trick is turning your passion into a career, making that degree work for you. If you have a passion for it, you'll do extremely well in it, possibly better than the other students. You may not find work in that particular field after you graduate, but having that piece of paper is what's most important.
My advice for anybody thats creative, for instance into Art or music, should take up a different field were that creativity can be useful, for instance sound engineering for a musician or computer science for someone into art, as it will most of the time lead to more money and recognision
>>561886570 > putting Business studies, Kinesiology, IT and Psychology above History, Classics and English. lol no. Oxford and Cambridge don't even offer an undergraduate course in Business Studies or IT. That should tell you enough
>>561886570 >computer science mid tier Software Engineering is literally the most successful career path right now, and will be for the foreseeable future. >business is low tier Yes because it's not like business is almost as much of a constantly growing field as technology, also it has most of the six figure jobs.
>>561903510 enjoy being pushed out of the trade by the new guys that arrive 7 years from now
>tfw trades dont realize they have no upward mobility and apprentices will replace them
>>561903642 even with a MBA sociology and psychology are pretty hard to get a good job lined up unless you went to a top institution and even then its iffy
so tired of watching people throw money on getting shitty degrees from a shitty college though while racking up a 80k debt because they didn't work during school and then bad mouthing about how useless college is
I am currently halfway through second year of university(NZ) Before I came I hadn't done a lick of programming. When I started in classes I picked it up very quickly
I am now the go to guy in my residence hall of 200 (I would say 40ish do compsci) for help in compsci or even computers in general. It doesnt have to be if you taught yourself beforehand. It's about dedication, sharp mind, and imagination. Beyond that is just added bonus
>>561902240 Bullshit. If your passion is writing code or designing power plants or performing surgery, then yeah, do what you love. If your passion is poetry or philosophy or bronze casting or some shit, then your chances of being financially successful in a job you love are virtually zero. That piece of paper is certainly not the only thing that matters. Almost everyone has one. You have to learn some kind of skill or specialized knowledge that most people don't have. And it has to be something people need enough to pay you to do. If you don't have that, you'll just be fighting tooth and nail with all the other liberal arts graduates with no discernable skills for a decent paying job in an industry you don't care about. Either that or you'll spend your whole life trying to make it as an artist or musician or something and have about a 0.01% chance of making a successful career of your "passion."
Find a marketable field of study that leads to an in-demand career that you won't hate.
>>561904249 I feel like I have that potential. I'm not trying to be full of myself, but just the fact that when I was 4 or 5 my family was going to me asking on how I knew to work a computer they just bought showed me what my passion really is. I've always loved computers, been fascinated by it, and I'm intrigued on how they work in terms of programming, software wise or maybe even hardware. Now, I understand that your ability to pick up the comprehension of your classes and being an advisor to your peers is no joke, however, despite these fuckboys having no credentials or true support, they do pose a perspective of: when an interviewer sees an applicant, if all he has to say is he got his BA in CS with x.x GPA, chances are you won't get hired. So at this point, I'm not wanting to do side projects just for better understanding of the major, but rather I want to work on something for experience, something I could reference to. Now with your learning going so smoothly, have you had an opportunities to work on anything?
>>561904805 Ah, so it's money that motivates you. Well, that explains some things.
And yes, you can make a career out of your hobby. Countless people do it and have done it. You simply chose not to because you, as I said, were more motivated by money. Not that there's anything wrong with it, I just look forward to the type of person you'll develop into 10-20 years from now.
>>561896394 After 2 years of studying as a programmist I got a job for 3k, after 3 years and my BA done, I get 6k a month, after 2 more years and a MA I will be working at google and most likely making a lot lot lot more money, hows that GOOD tier?
>>561905119 >implying philosophers and artisians don't have respectable careers. You people need to realize that not every single job takes place in either a corporate office or a warehouse. You should also acknowledge that not everyone has it in them to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer, or whatever it is you're currently doing. Different people have different tastes. I've met plenty of people who managed to turn their passions into long-term careers that they love, and even though they aren't making hundreds of thousands a year, they're still making more than enough to live off of, and they really like what they do.
Other factors determine what a person is best suited for as well. Just because a person may not be geared for the "top four" that the internet tells them they "should be," they still deserve to achieve their dreams.
>>561905202 Or you can make a shit ton of money and be able to afford to do whatever hobbies you like in your leisure time. For everyone who has successful made their hobby into a career, there are a hundred more who have tried and failed. You can't just expect people to give you money for whatever you want to do.
>>561905660 It's not just about people 'giving you money,' it's more about making the right connections, keeping your nose clean, and always staying 2 steps ahead of everyone else. If you can't do that, no matter what you majored in, you're going to have a rough time.
>>561905731 Thank you for your agreement. People are so willing to engage in a "pissing contest" comparing majors and degree plans, that they typically become arrogant and make up stories to compliment their inflated egos and undeserved sense of self-worth.
>>561905591 Yeah, we need artisans and philosophers and all that, but we need a hell of a lot less of them than the number of people who want to do those things. The demand for those fields is just so low compared to the supply of professionals. You can try to do that, but if you're not in the upper elite in your field, there just simply won't be a job available for you.
>they still deserve to achieve their dreams bullshit. Nobody's entitled to anything. If we all got to be whatever we dreamed of being, everyone would be an astronaut or an actor or a professional baseball player.
>>561905805 If you want to make a living, you essentially have to convince other people to give you money in exchange for something you do, whether it's a company paying your for your man-hours, or customers paying you for some shit you make, or businesses paying you for your advice. If you have nothing of value to offer, you'll have a hard time getting paid no matter your connections or how clean your nose is.
>>561906131 Again, it's all about the connections you make, and the other actions you take before you graduate. You literally need to be "on your shit" since Day Zero of your college career. Most people are not, even those who major in those arbitrarily set 'god-tier' standards that the Internet sets.
>yes, their dreams You're right to an extent that no one's entitled to anything, but that's not what I said. Think about the job you supposedly have or will have. If more people decided to have majored in the same thing you did, what would have distinguished you from the others? Distinguished in such a significant way that you get hired, instead of any one of the other people with the exact same skill set?
>>561905731 >implying I don't post under Heaven because I enjoy saging dumb threads >implying im bragging >even if I was lying the fact qaunts make large amounts of money still stands >implying im not at my job right now slacking off when I should be doing work
>>561905202 >10-20 years form now retire early with all the money I invested into stocks and mutual funds?
Anywho you dont seem to understand just how competitive it is for liberal arts feilds possibly because you have never played an instrument and went to an audition even below the professional level
Let me tell you of the process many of those people will have picked up their instrument from the age of 3-7 along with having a tutor paid by the parents well paying job. From there there will be more people that played perfectly than slots available so then they pick on your style and just personal choice.
In addition instruments themselves are very expensive (10k+) along with a tutor. Many orchestras also don't pay ALL living expenses unless its a top orchestra too.
Too much competition, Too little gain, everyone isn't a special snowflake: thats why you don't turn your hobby into a career
>>561906487 >You'll have a hard time getting paid no matter your connections or how clean your nose is The same goes for whatever your major was. Connections do count, and what many college students fail to do is make those connections, usually focusing instead on themselves, their friends, and having the "full college experience" by partying, clubbing, drinking, smoking, and so on. A person may do that, but you have to remember that your sheet of paper, no matter what the words on it say, will not necessarily guarantee you a job unless you know someone on the inside, no matter how "in demand" the people who majored in Internet Journalism tell you.
Had a buddy in high school who always talked about going into law school. Always wanted to be a lawyer, always talking about how he was gonna make more money than any of us could ever hoped to. He made it through with decent grades (3.2 I think) and took out shit ton of loans.
About a year ago (12 years after our high school graduation) we get together and in a drunken rant he says that he fucking hates his job. He tells me how he works for clients he can't stand and can barely make payments on his loans.
Even if >>561904805 is truly making 160K a year, I guarantee he's at 100K in debt, or sacrificed so much of his freedom for a scholarship.
>>561906592 >stocks and mutual funds You realize that anyone can do that, right?
Music is of no interest to me, at least not playing an instrument.
You're right in that everyone isn't a special snowflake, which is why I told you (and everyone reading this) to MAKE IT YOURS. Don't just take up a major, *become* the major. Become the go-to-guy for other students who are struggling on complex concepts. Show your professors that you mean serious business no matter what it is, even if you're majoring in basket-weaving. Warm up to them, make the connections (I cannot stress that enough) with other people and employers outside of the university (meaning become an intern), and turn what you love into a career. This is not a difficult concept.
>>561906886 Exactly my point. I'm glad your friend was able to achieve what he set out for (more or less), but it's always those darned student loans that usually cause a person to choose what they will and will not major in. Even if I ultimately cap at about $40K a year, I'll be working in a field I love doing something I've been passionate about since (literally) before I could even walk. Thankfully I'll only be in the hole about $26K, but I'll be happy doing what I want/have to do as I get older.
And yeah, those higher-paying jobs usually do come with a heft pricetag. Wind up using almost every cent you make to pay back the loans for the rest of your life in a job you hate. No thanks, especially if I'm going to have a wife who stops loving me after 5 years, and children who don't even listen to me.
>>561906831 I'm not sure what your point is, I didn't say connections aren't important. I'm saying that with a degree in something like engineering or computer science, you have knowledge and experience right out of college that relatively few people have, and there are thousands of companies that need people like you and are willing to pay you a lot of money to work for them. If your degree is in an arts/humanities/social sciences field, you also have some knowledge that most people don't have, but it's not knowledge that anyone cares about. There are very few companies or people who want to pay you for knowing a lot about history or film or whatever. There's not much in the way of practical applications that you can do with that knowledge. People need bridges built and heart surgeries and you will be employable if you can do those things. The things you can do with a liberal arts background are just not things that many people want to pay for.
>>561907598 Again, it's really about where you decide to apply to work with your degree. For example, it would obviously be a bad idea to have a Bachelor's in Geology, then go apply for work at a law firm. With the way the world is constantly changing (and more fields emerging), more degrees are being able to put to use in different ways. Let's say I wanted to work for a big company, but I had a degree in Asian Studies. So I go and apply for work at a company that I know has constant relations with Asian companies, particularly Japanese companies. So what could I do there? Be a translator/interpreter. I could work in a cubical filing papers in more than one or even two languages, both of which are important to employers as our world becomes more globalized. A Linguistics graduate as well could put their degree to work by interpreting the hidden meanings behind what people say between cultures (the "Japanese 'no'" for example). Not everyone can be what you think they "should" be, but that doesn't mean they'll never amount to anything.
>>561906886 >yfw you realize I only had 35k in debt thanks you Virginia state aid, working part time while in school, and transferring from a school that gave me almost a free ride
Son its not that hard to have your shit together... Scholarships are piss easy to get anyway, I had a life and still got scholarships >>561907097 Have you even graduated? You don't seem to understand how much skill matters first and foremost in liberal arts fields.
You'll only make it if you're better than your peers, It doesn't matter how many connections you have if you arn't in the 95th percentile
>You realize that anyone can do that, right? not in the volume I can due to my ammount of Income and knowledge on stocks
You'll also have to hire someone to manage your portfolio which I can do on my own >>561907463 Kek you don't realize how stressful life is yet without money yet kid. you watched too many movies of the rich guy having a poor life (lul happens to all brackets of income)
The only time people pay back loans for the rest of their life with a job they hate is when they were dumb and didn't do internships to see if they liked the field and went to a college they couldn't afford like an idiot
>>561908103 Of course, skill does matter. And, as I said before, you have to be *better* than your peers to stand out, otherwise you're just as "skilled" as everyone else.
>Volume Money is money. If you make enough to live comfortably and not have to get by on breadcrumbs and cans of corn (college meal plan), then I don't see a problem. Not everything is a competition. Also, anyone can learn how to manage their own portfolio if they put their minds to it.
>Kid I'm 25. Likely older than you, and with more life experience than you. You may think you're a 'god' for having majored in something you were motivated by money to, but remember to stay humble. Also, did you intern while you were in?
So I'm already 15k in debt with nothing to show for it. I'm fucking depressed as shit and its incredibly subtle. I've been wanting to kill myself because I basically can't do shit. Should I go military? Its Canada's too so they wont just take people in for the fuck of it. My collage offers border security and general/private security classes. What kind of shit can I hope for if I do that? I dont need a million dollar job, 25k/year or so is sufficient for my needs.
>>561905190 I am planning on doing internships this summer and next, and probably one after I graduate as well. My uncle has connections to some good paid internships so I'm not to worried about that either.
>>561896148 Wouldn't that be the whole point though? People who love it studying it, preserving it, delving deeper into it, and passing a basic overview of what they've learned by their own volition on to other people?
History is awesome. It's every fucking thing that's happened, tying into Archaeology, with all the civilizations, wars, figures...there've been heroes and events in the past that outshine fiction. I don't see someone who doesn't love it going far enough to get a degree in it, and people who love it explain it much better than people who're just explaining it because they have to.
It should always be reviewed, studied, and passed on. Shit shouldn't be forgot just because it isn't "God-tier" STEM, or super-profitable. Events of the past need to be kept up with.
>>561908726 Well certainly don't kill yourself. I'm not that familiar with the Canadian system (education, employment, and so on), but work through your situation and come out triumphant. Just don't panic and do anything rash. Now is the integral time to plan.
>>561908928 I'm 24, never worked a day in my life either. And I'm not going to kill myself yet, mostly because I'd rather at least stick it out until 30+ or until my parents are dead. I just get closer and closer each day, shits fucking full of despair.
I dont have any skills, I'm terrible with people and I'm not really interesting. I feel like I'm completely fucked.
>>561908081 You know what? There are going to be hundreds of other Asian studies graduates applying for that same job. There is a relatively small number of those kinds of jobs available, and a relatively high number of people with language and culture studies degrees who are interested in them. The numbers just don't work. Some of those degree holders will get the jobs in translation, international relations, consulting, diplomacy, etc., but the majority of them will not. There are not enough jobs related to a major like that, even distantly related, to employ everyone with that degree. The majority of them will end up working at a retail store or a corporate headquarters or something like that, doing the kind of soulless office work that literally anyone can do.
All I'm saying is that it's worth considering how your degree is going to work for you when choosing what to study. If you really like geography, for instance, and you're willing to get an advanced degree, spend a long time looking for jobs, move somewhere random when you finally get one, and get paid a very low salary relative to the cost of your education, then you can make it work. Honestly, most people will give up at some point in that process because they will decide it's just not worth it. What I'm advising is to think about that now, so you don't spend $40,000 on an education and then find out it didn't lead to the fantasy job you expected. If you're really, really passionate about that field, then go for it, but if you're just looking for something to major in and think, "geography looks interesting," or whatever degree, don't just jump into it with the popular millenial mindset that you can do whatever you want to do and be whatever you want to be.
>>561909237 I know the feel. I usually feel like a Power Ranger most of the day (stay with me here), but even I have my moments where I think about the possibility of ultimate failure and amounting to absolutely nothing. But then, I just crack open a book, and start studying. I study for about an hour, maybe a little more, than go play Xbox. I remind myself that life itself is a gamble, and we're all essentially playing Russian Roulette by taking out these loans/getting these scholarships and getting into these majors. Nothing's set in stone, no matter what anyone else tries to tell us.
But for you, I'd suggest getting a skill now. Maybe learn a second or third language, become a better communicator, get into writing or drawing, anything. Never doubt your abilities nor yourself. Eventually, you'll gradually become a more interesting person, both to yourself and to others. You too, will feel like a Power Ranger after a while, completely confident and facing the future without fear.
>>561908585 >you have to be *better* than your peers to stand out >more life experience than you. apparently now as you can't understand the simple concept of how hard is it is to to be better than your peers in liberal arts fields when innate ability and an early start matter more than the ammount of work you put in during college
This is why people shouldn't make their hobby into a career because there's many people who won't make it because they lack innate skill and they have nothing to fall back on
Have you talked to anyone in journalism, art, advertising, or musicianship at ALL? they'll tell you exactly how stressful their field is and how competitive it is. They'll also tell you that there's too many people who don't stand a chance because they don't have the innate talent to make it. >Not understanding the concept of how volume of money pumped into stocks matter Good luck keeping a diverse portfolio, recuperating from losses, and seizing opportunities when you can barely scrape by
researching your own portfolio take hours of time which is why I get paid $$$ to do it
Im 25 ,yes I did intern because im not an idiot, and yes I picked my job because I found it interesting and I made enough money to pursue my interests unlike people who struggle day to day
>>561908726 Does Canada have something similar to the GI Bill here in the USA? If so, get into the military ASAP; specifically Air Force or Navy. If you're smart, you will get jobs that will transfer into just about every aspect of civilian life. I did Operations Intelligence here in the USA for 4 years and right when I came out I was offered jobs starting out around 60K; even some that would get me up to around 100K in a few years.
But even if you still want to go to college, then the GI Bill would cover all your college expenses. If Canada doesn't have a GI Bill, I would still recommend going for the skills and experience. It's basically a job, but without the stress of bills, healthcare, etc...
>Mfw studying to get a Bachelor of Music >Enjoying every minute of it >Have career opportunities laid out for myself >Been asked to write music for a film coming out either next year or the year after >Being interviewed by multiple newspapers and magazines >My Band is releasing our 2nd album
>>561909442 >That same job. There are plenty of other countries in the Far and South East Asia to choose from. In that case, the best thing is to emphasize the "Asian" part of your degree: learn 2-3 languages, develop a broader world-view, learn conflict resolution (because it's really needed when dealing with Asians and other Asians, particularly the Japanese dealing with the Koreans), and so on. The trick is to get to the country of your choosing first, and then network while you're there. After that, finish whatever it is you were doing, then start your new career in the country you've wanted to live in for some time. With people always downplaying this kind of degree plan (as opposed to them always touting, say, Computer Science), there will be less competition since the market will not be as saturated.
Of course, nothing is ever really set in stone. But while in Uni, you've got to make the right moves and do everything you must to put that degree to work. Step out of your comfort zone, meet some people you wouldn't otherwise even talk to, and you'll eventually get what it is you want.
>>561909730 Why not just get a job? I'm 20, didn't do shit academic after Highschool. I work at Target. It's fun. I do easy work and joke around with people I get along with all day. It's also a workout sometimes during the unload. I have few complaints about it.
I'm not making much, and it's not a career, but you can do something. I'll do tech school or something after I get a car, but there's no reason not to work. I work with Uni students, they're working and getting their degrees instead of staying inside being a faggot.
>>561909237 Learn a skill. Get an associate's degree. You can learn how to be an electrician or technician of some sort in like a year or two. You'll be able to get a job easily, and you'll actually make very good money.
Don't want to do that? If all you need is a steady job with at least 25k a year, do retail. It's easy as fuck to get a job, and you can move up quickly. You can move up to a salaried assistant manager in a year or less if you work hard and are clear with your employer about your goals. The work sucks ass, but it's a job.
>>561909848 Well, I can see you're one of those types who simply wants to compare and contrast degree plans to feel better about himself rather than actually consider the other person's point of view. You've demonstrated that you prefer to downplay any and every other plan that is not at least similar to your own, so I won't entertain you any further.
>Maths Helps you get a job? NOPE >Physics Helps you get a job? NOPE >Chemistry Helps you get a job? NOPE >Astronomy Helps you get a job? NOPE >Engineering Helps you get a job? Yes >Medicine Helps you get a job? Yes >Law Helps you get a job? NOPE >Statistics Helps you get a job? Yes >Pharmacology and Toxicology Helps you get a job? NOPE >Geology Helps you get a job? NOPE >Life Sciences Helps you get a job? NOPE
Conclusion: study whatever is interesting to you. Nothing except medicine or engineering or something similarly vocational make it even remotely likely you will get a related job. Experience is everything. Any other degree just opens the doors. There is no qualitative advantage to studying science over social science.
>>561910261 >Why not just get a job? I did that, but realized that I didn't want that to be my "end game." Plus, what I went through after high school pretty much compelled me to continue my studies, and I was even able to see a side of the world I had always been fascinated with while being a student (and not paying a dime at the time).
>>561910869 >>561910709 Geography is the study of the physical features of the Earth, as well as the interactions of people and their environments (mostly dealing with politics, nations, etc). What you to are thinking about rocks and such is more Geology.
>>561910581 It really doesn't need to be your end game. People get so hung up with whatever they do, wherever they go being their final destination. It probably won't be...you can do whatever you want. It's not a big deal to drop what you're doing and do something else so long as you aren't tied down by a family or debt.
Honestly the people skills are invaluable. Talking to Uni students in this town who've never worked, people in their twenties who've either only had short summer jobs or no jobs is like talking to big children. No matter what they're learning it's like they never have anything real to say, like they're incomplete people.
>>561888191 >see pic all I see is buttmad math/physics/chem major who realized that he probably wont find other job than teaching, and even if he by any chance do find some better job he will still be earning less than CS student on internship.
>CS graduate >1 year after getting my MSc >work at medium-ish research facility >administering like 1k linux user boxes, several servers >earning 400k/year, doing practically nothing, 4chan, reddit, vidya all day erry day >mfw I earn more than most people I know >mfw most of the engineers (physics graduates!!) here don't even earn 150k/year
>>561910415 >being this dumb this is why you couldn't make it in Uni
Im saying unless you have the skill and talent then don't go into a field that fucking revolves around skill and talent. You are too naive to understand that a person with little talent in the field cant just build skills to match their peers who are gifted. If you don't believe me go ask your less gifted peers at the liberal arts schools who just graduated and how their careers are going.
Liberal arts is for people with SKILLS in the field making your hobby into a career takes SKILL, so tired of watching people like you simplifying how hard it is to make it. People like you have never even spoken or endured the struggled of a person who couldn't make it. I've played in community orchestras and talked with the directors with MBA's who struggle to support their family, I've spoken to people who went to major in Arts, Music, or Journalism with my sister being one of them. Its hell for them because people like you tell them they can make it when they cant.
is that so hard to understand?
>>561910589 I was also good in the field, this guy has the notion that hobbies are perfectly fine to turn into careers
Even though I had interest in the field doesn't mean I enjoy it more than my hobbies
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