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New N.U. thread since last one 404'd. Yay/nay? Suggestions/thoughts? (but read second pic in thread b4 h8ing brah)
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>>559318713
PLS READ, AT LEAST UNDER "DEBUNKING SOME COMMON COUNTER-ARGUMENTS" BEFORE YOU CRITICIZE OUR GLORIOUS UNION!
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Here's some Nordic music to make your patriotic viking tears flow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU_vt57u_5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_ck7CGY-ag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pmk81df9jk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W94yybauJP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jCaWLBriO4
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>>559318713
>>559318956
>>559319316
Stop being a faggot.
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>>559319454
Define
>"Faggot."
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>>559318713
Remove Estonia and we're cool
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bumping for faggotry
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>>559319863
see
>>559318956
under "Debunking some common counter-arguments:", sections "Finland and Estonia aren't part of Scandinavia!" and "...But Estonia?"
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>>559320098
>>559319863
However, I might have to exclude Estonia, at least initially, since so many people hate the suggestion...
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Id let Finland join cause i like their music.
Not sure about Estonia...
But Greenland? We dont need them
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>>559320472
Uh, when Greenland thaws out it will be one of the largest mineral deposits on the planet. The waters around greenland are filled with oil. We could place military bases on Greenland to assert our authority. With Greenland, we could easily claim a lot of domestic water between Greenland and Iceland. For any Canadians wanting to supply europe with recently thawed out goods, Greenland will have vital ports. Etc...

We do need Greenland.
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If anyone here feels like it you can support us and spread awareness and do some gaming too by joining our cheesy ass BF4-platoon.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/platoons/view/2297038443470875269/
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>>559320298
It's too late to save Estonia. Might as well just let it die in peace.
Although it is a good vantage point but so is Denmark
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>>559321240
Also what about the flag? You guys like it/have any better suggestions?
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>>559321410
Flag with a viking longship!
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>>559321312
It's not really that bad... Estonia is recovering pretty well from the Soviet era and all predictions point in the right direction. The real danger is that like 40% of the country is Russian. Racially, these are mostly western Russians, the "Rus'", or Swedish viking emigrants so they haven't changed/will change the appearance of Estonians, which means they blend in and can be assimilated... They really need the N.U. to avoid a second Ukraine though, and the N.U. needs them, since a second Ukraine would be very nasty for us.
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>>559321410
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>>559321807
A few reasons why that's a bad idea:
1. It's difficult to draw, Good flags should be simple.
2. Some people might find it "offensive" or racist which would make us lose a lot of votes, and Greenland would certainly not like it.
3. Most of the Nordic countries have a nordic cross flag. I think we should keep that tradition going.
4. A nordic cross flag seems more realistic.
...It would look badass though...
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>>559322198
I can only get behind that if its 2 ravens
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>>559322198
People would think we're some viking LARP muppets or something... Better with a modern, normal flag for a modern, normal federation...
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>>559322309
Two ravens shouldn't be part of the flag but they could certainly be part of the seal/escutcheon.
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>>559322260
1: There is no reason simple flags are better
2: People are to sensetive today and are offended by anything. A viking longship would be a great and needed step against political correctness
3: How is a cross nordic? Its on (most of) their flasg, but the nordic countries arent religious (compared to most countries). I see no reason to keep it
4: How makes a flag more/less realistic? Look at the flag of Nepal, its looks odd but its their flag. A longship would represent nordic history and as said be badass
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>>559322309
>>559322815
As for national birds, I think it would be cool if different states had different birds. Sweden could have the white-tailed eagle, Norway could have the raven, Iceland could have the northern fulmar (seriously it looks badass), etc. And then make these prominent symbols, like the bald eagle or golden eagle is for the U.S. and Germany.
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>>559318713

uh why is estonia included


by that logic why not include russia as well
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>>559323306
Why change the national birds they already got one? I know norway has the White-throated dipper which i admit sounds like a suspect movie, but in norwegian the name sounds much better
>>559323539
Estonia seems to want to be a part of the nordics and use their connecton with Finland and geography (further north than denmark, furter west than alot of Finland) as an argument, but they seem to be ignored
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>>559323082
1: Yes there is. Simpler flags are easier to recreate, draw, tag things with, use for signaling, to recognize, and simplicity and sharp lines appeals to people and makes the flag easier to incorporate into different designs.
2: Maybe so, but I'm thinking about voter support. No one would vote for a party whose symbol is a viking long ship. We'd be seen as overly nationalist, racist, etc, and would be interpreted as some small group of neo-nazi muppets.
3: The nordic cross is the off-center sideways cross as seen on the national flags of Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland etc. It used to represent christianity, yes but nowadays it represents the nordic countries which are pretty unreligious. The reason for a nordic cross is because it's seen as serious/realistic, down to earth, and representative of the nordic cultures.
4: I mean "realistic" as in, it seems like a flag that could be used for an actual nation and not a made up one...
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>>559323539
see
>>559320098
and
>>559321889
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>>559323539
the necessity for living space in east will soon be an issue
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>>559323937
Because we have such un-badass birds. Of course a white-throated dipper or blackbird won't become a serious patriotic symbol... We might want to avoid the eagles though since they bring with them certain associations...
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>>559324436
I actually dont think ive ever seen the white-throated dipper used as a symbol in anything
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>>559323539

>>559323937
>>559324170
>>559324185

Also why not include scotland/northern england as well as russia and estonia.
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>>559324436
Snow Owl
Falcon
Hawk
Raven
Tern
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>>559324185
With the current birth rates for ethnic Nordics, we'll have trouble filling the houses we've already built. The only people actually growing in numbers here are the Somali immigrants (average birth rates are batshit insane due to Islam forbidding condoms and traditions). You want to make lebensraum for the Somalis?
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>>559324669
Id let Scotland join.
Not sure about Estonia a big NO for russia
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>>559324667
My point exactly...
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>>559324669
Scotland might actually be realistic if they gain independence and the N.U. is very decentralized and allows for a lot of self-governance. This would be beneficial strategically and economically - very beneficial, however it would shatter the ethnic connection if the N.U. suddenly gained a member that doesn't speak finno-ugric or scandinavian, and hasn't been a part of a Nordic state for over 800 years.

As for Russia, lol. We might buy Karelia though.
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>>559324858
at least the kola region and the territories that finland lost during ww2+ some more for reperations
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>>559324820
Those are some badass birds although falcons and hawks aren't species. Finland could get the Snow Owl, Sweden could get the Peregrine falcon or something, Norway could get the white tail eagle (since they're so common in Norway), Iceland could get the raven, Faroe Islands could get the northern fulmar, etc...
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>>559325771
Realistically speaking, if we are really friendly with Russia, we might be able to buy back Karelia, perhaps even the other used-to-be-Finnish regions (Russia had plans for selling Karelia in the 90's), and we might gain at least partial control over the Kola peninsula through sapmi... However that's probably as far as we'll reach in the near future... If we want what's left of Karelia, filled with Russians that is.
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>>559325789
Seriously look at this bird... It's so badass, like the nazi golden eagle, except it really looks that focused, firm, angry even, in real life without any alterations... I can easily see it stylized as a representative of the Atlantic N.U. states
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>>559318713
http://grapevine.is/news/2014/07/23/wants-to-make-iceland-norways-20th-county/
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>>559326617
Forgot pic*
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>>559322198
This. We should have a flag that symbolizes our common heritage and roots - not some altered version of our present flags with a christian cross on them.

>>559322309
Second.
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>>559326668
A step in the right direction. Although to fully capitalize on this, a maritime union between Norway, Iceland, the Faroes and Greenland would be much better. Further, if these countries learned Standardized scandinavian instead of Danish as a second language in school, it would be less politicized and would allow for an easy to learn lingua franca of the N.U.
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>>559326831
>We should have a flag that symbolizes our common heritage and roots
Like a stylized blood-eagle?
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>>559326831
You guys are forgetting I'm staying within the borders of what is realistic and could actually happen. People won't vote for a viking flag with the words "hail odin" written in futhark, no matter how badass that would be. I'm considering actually making a real N.U. party, and do lots of commercials from rich funders (lots of millionares would fund us, if there's millionaires funding parties like the Sweden democrats now) with sister parties in all the NU countries, with the intermediate goal of a united army, currency, and standardized scandinavian in schools etc, and a final goal of a proper N.U, that would be acquired in an alliance government in several N.U. states with the N.U. party as say third or fourth largest...
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>>559327617
My point exactly. A modern nordic flag for a modern nordic party.

"Rösta N.U.!"
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>>559318713
As long as Estonia is a part i cannot support it. I've read you arguments for, and they suck.
I don't give a fuck if estonians feel swedish.
If we went to war with russia alone we'd lose with or without them, and they'd probably join in a war where other nations participated (IE NATO countrys), so that argument sucks as well.
Also they have a huge russian population, whom i wouldn't want as a part of our glorious Nordic nation. and they're poorfags.
In short, they bring nothing to the table, only liabilities.
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>>559326690
>>559327194
>>559327726
Seriously that bird looks like the nazi eagle IN REAL LIFE... They're so cool...
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>>559328314
*forgot pic again...
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>>559327617
The execution method called "blood eagle" is only mentioned in the sagas. I would think it very unlikely that it was a widespread practice.

>>559327726
What about something like this then?
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>>559318713
Why the hell is 3rd world Estonia in there? Also Greenland? Just a bunch of unproductive natives. I'm from Finland , and although our culture and language is the most different from the other Scandinavians, I'm down to join. I feel like Sweden would be bringing everyone down though with their pro 'let all shitskins in no questions asked' attitude.
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>>559328560
Greenland's got a fuckton of natural resources, that climate changes only are going to make more accessible.
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it's a nice fantasy but even if it existed it'd be destroyed by your progressives.

it'd also be a great laugh to see greenland/swedish (black)/finnish mongol mixed people
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>>559328067
The military reason for estonia isn't because we intend to go to war. The military reason for Estonia is because it grants us military might, thus we can intimidate Russia more - We'd have more leverage in negotiations. We'd castrate St. Petersburg and the Russian Baltic Fleet, our air bases could easily fuck shit up for Russia, etc. Large portions of the baltic would be our "mare nostrum", preventing Russian military exercises, and Russia would either have to co-operate with us in the arctic, or face isolation in the baltic. I'm considering not including Estonia initially anyway due to the lack of popular support, but still....
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If you are serious about this project I am on board (dane-fag). But then it should be a real and modern union, and shouldn't be an exclusive alternative to EU, or some right-wing wet dream. It should be a modern and secular country with human rights etc.
I only see small reasons why this couldn't be done, and they are possible to overcome.

But you need some fucking colours on that flag though! Pic related, my suggestion
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>>559319923
bump
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Could have had it all...
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>>559328513
Far too similar to svenska motståndsrörelsen or svenskarnas parti (proper nazi parties). The colors I chose were intended to be militaristic (since the flag would be mostly for military purposes), and also because I tried to avoid designing an already existing nordic cross flag, and still get a decently good looking end result... If you want to design something non-cross flag, I suggest using different colors, especially avoiding black.
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>>559329089
gayest flag so far
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As a non-nordic person, I don't understand why this has not happend.
Is there a lot of political/cultural differences between you guys?
Not trying to bait or troll, Just genuinely curious.
Also, N.U. would be awesome. I would move there.
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>>559328958
Ah good point, and they have some claim in the arctic. Okok they're in. Also I take back what I said about us being the most different, Iceland is probably the most different from the Scandinavians, and they would be brought down the most, esp by Sweden.
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Norwegian here.

NO!.. just.. NO!..fuck off. I'd consider letting sweden, denmark and finland in under Norwegian rule, meaning ya'll niggas fix your language to sound more like ours, we follow norwegian rules, and your royal family stops stealing tax money, it's bad enough that ours do. But other than that, nope.
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>>559329058
yeah, no!
If we put up 50 fighters to counter ships comming out of st. Petersburg, Russia would put up 200... And have plenty to spare. Even with this union we would not be a serious military threat to Russia.

BUT we COULD be an economic threat! Alot of Russian gas pipelines go through the Baltic sea, and they could be threatened.
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>>559329485
because of eu and nato. a new union would just complicate shit up
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>>559329058
>>559328067
Further, the "huge" russian population is only huge by estonian standards, and most of them look like estonians since they're west russians. The russkies actually make an argument FOR Estonia, since they risk causing a second Ukraine crisis if they're not in the union, something that would be very dangerous for us, and would certainly fuck up our relationship with russia royally.

But again, I'm leaning towards not including Estonia due to the popular outrage... Finland will be kind of lonely as the only finno-ugric speaking country and might not want to join (which would be very bad considering their borders), but hopefully they'll still be up without Estonia.
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>Estonia

Jesus Christ no.
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>>559319673
Faggot
Fah-guht
(N.) You
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>>559329739
>ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
>BEST COUNTRY BEST COUNTRY BEST COUNTRY
>ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

Yeah you really make a good offer to join you.
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>>559329739
You're okay with letting Sweden and it's hoards of immigrants into your country? Alright. Well your country is already ruined and Denmark is passing more and more laws so Denmark's going to be shitskin heaven as well soon. Master race Finland still hardly let's anyone in. Also not many want to anyways because our language and way of life and exclusion of foreigners scares them away.
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>>559329739
republican pleb. go to murrica where yur frhidums are holu
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>>559328560
For Estonia and Greenland, see
>>559320098
>>559320912
>>559321889
>>559328958
>>559329058
>>559329870

As for Sweden having too many immigrants, see
>>559318956
Under "*insert country here* has too many immigrants!"
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>>559329485
mainly historical reasons. For hundreds of years it was Denmark-Norway as one kingdom fighting Sweden-Finland as the other. Last one ended i 1815 if I recall correctly. Denmarks later trouble with the germans in the later half of the 19'th century meant that Sweden was absolutely not on board on the idea of a Union. Later a couple of world wars got in the way, and since then we have actually had pretty tight political cooporation
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>>559329812
You're right, though I thought most Nordic countries were agains joining the EU.
And about NATO I don't see the problem, most if not all NATO countries are pretty good allies of Nordic nations.
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>>559330402
In a Nordic Union all nations would have to bring an end to monarchy.
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>>559329739
i suggest we let the country most used to being ruled by another nation, be the one folded into another country.
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please, make us your slaves, we don't want to be poor forever
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>>559328975
The progressives are only in Sweden. Reason being Sweden was always the first and the best and the most progressive. Thus no one else had tried their roads, and when they started messing with mass immigration and radical feminism they fucked up royally. Thankfully the rest of Scandinavia saw this and has since been more cautious and moderate. Since Swedes will be a minority of the N.U. population, and only about 2/3rds of Sweden are progressive muppets, Swedish "progressive" won't fuck shit up too badly...
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>>559330465
I didnt know about Denmark-Norway vs Sweden-Finland. That's pretty interesting.
Do most people still wan't independent or is there an actual movement for unification?
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>>559329812
No it wouldn't.
EU already has a union country member (the UK). It would obviously reduce the official number of countries in the EU, but fuck that.

And NATO wouldn't be a problem at all. NATO would be more than willing to let NU be a member. Estonia is the most troublesome territory and they are already a NATO member.
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>>559329089
I'm pretty serious. Got nothing better to do anyway so fucking why not try? And I fully agree with you, it's a modern union, not a right wing wet dream, not some LARP neckbeard dressup fantasy, etc. No one would vote for any of that anyway.

As for the flag, I agree mine is pretty "evil" looking and not very representative. But finding an unused nordic cross flag is hard, and yours is really ugly (no offense...)

If you want you can join our BF platoon
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/platoons/view/2297038443470875269/
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>>559318713
Norwegian here, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck no.
Norway has a surplus of over 4 years of BNP, the rest of the nations are in debt, it's the same reason we are not in the EU, we are so far ahead economically it is not even funny.
What could the other nations offer us that the EU can't?
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>>559330664
did you even read the text?

" the monarchies of each N.U. nation will be kept unless removed through a vote in the specified nation. "

go back to blitz and stay there.
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>>559329217
Germany wanted to change the main language in Norway to German. They also wanted to make a Neu Drontheim/Nordstern German "colony" of sorts. There's good reasons why Norway resisted and even Sweden had smuggling routes and training facilities for resistance fighters along the Norwegian border.
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>>559331292
>If you want you can join our BF platoon
I just lost so hard. This has to be bait, there's no fucking way that just happened.
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>>559331375
Fuck you, you piece of shit.
There is no way I would support the continuation of that antiquarian form of rule what so ever.
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>>559330668
how dare you?
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>>559331128
No real big movement, no. I don't think it has been a big topic, since many people probably couldn't see what the advantage would be for them.
To make it probable it would have to be in a way that allowed for semi-autonomous governments still taking care of most domestic politics. In particular immigration, which is a really hot topic.
I'm for the idea because I think it would strengthen our foreign policy, and give us a back-up if the EU stagnates completely.
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As a Norwegian, no way Estonia is permitted into this cute little club. Scotland might be considered, but only because of its history. Greenland is fine. It has nice nature.

I also assume this N.U. would not be part of the EU nor part of the Schengen Treaty, which would be mandatory for this to kick off to begin with.

And then we stop taking in useless immigrants, and we kick out the useless immigrants we already have, which are far, far too many.
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>>559329485
Not a lot of differences at all. For times some areas have been held by Germany, the USSR, and nowadays the EU and NATO, which fucks things up. There was going to be a nordic military union, until Denmark and Norway joined NATO, but Finland wasn't allowed to according to Russia, so Sweden didn't join NATO either for solidarity reasons and to be able to keep co-operating with Finland, and thus the military union was made impossible...
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>>559331321
Denmark is not in debt. We do have a negative on our national budgets (last I checked), but if we did a national balance statement we would have a surplus.
But I agree that Norways economy is still the strongest. But that oil and gas isn't going to last forever.
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>>559329496
Like I wrote in the second picture in this thread, Iceland and any other state would be able to regulate their own external and internal immigration laws, meaning no immigration for Iceland. Further, if you read what I told you to read in the second post, you'd realize Sweden is currently fucking shit up more than if they were in the N.U. Iceland isn't that foreign though, their language is old scandinavian, they learn Danish in school, used to be part of Denmark until 1945, etc. Greenland is probably the most isolated...
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>>559331826
From what I know, Nordic countries are doing pretty well economically. Some better than others but in general higher standards than most of the world. It would seem like a no brainer if unified it would be a real superpower contender(economically). I mean, it's not like you're unifying with Ireland and Greece like the EU did.
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>>559331292

Don't play BF. You guys should at the very least create a facebook group if you want to get this kickstarted.
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>>559329739
If you'd just include Sweden, they'd out-vote you and cause mass immigration. Scroll up to the second picture in this thread that explains the immigration, and oil issue (the N.U. wouldn't take any Norwegian oil since it would be a small part of the wealth the N.U. would gather). Norway would still exist too, only you could fly to Iceland on a domestic flight. Sounds neat huh?
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>>559332841
Not really seeing as I don't like flying.
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>>559331756
hurrdurr monarchies are evil... like the freemason reptilian NWO aliens. the monarchies are for tradition and they represent the countries. the king of norway has landed more deals for his country and done more hours on the job the you will ever do. 200 traveling days a year. what do you want? a president that cant pronounce nuclear? nukular > bush jr.
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>>559329764
I don't think you understand. Russia has more borders to guard than ours. United, we'd outnumber and outgun the Russian forces at our borders. We wouldn't "counter" ships either, we'd let them through, on our terms. Same with the pipelines. Russia co-operates, everybody happy. Russia tries to steal our arctic resource or nibble off parts of the baltic states? Well that will be trouble for Russia.
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>>559332391
Thorium, we will always be a leader in the energy sector, oil or no.
Also, per capita we are the fifth largest exporter of weapons in the world.
If you want your shit built right (guns and ships for now), you come to us and that will always be valuable.
Denmark has nice beaches and cheap beer and that is about it.
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>>559329929
see the huge collection of counter-arguments here
>>559330417
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>Not this flag.
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>>559332841
Yeah, because I fly to Iceland all the fucking time /sarcasm.
So far all the pro arguments have been "but wouldn't it be cool?" level, no real incentives.
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>>559332737
No, Estonia would be the weakest member from a economic point of view... Well, from any point of view, really.
I still wouldn't say superpower, as the combined population would be around 26 million by my back-of -the-envelope estimate. But perhaps it would land us in the G20 countries. Would have to do some more comprehensive calculations for that, and I simply can't be bothered.
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>>559332109
Man, I feel bad for Finland, and to be honest that's pretty bad ass of Sweden.
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You niggers need to get rid of all those muslims first. Can't have a respectable society with them polluting your nations.
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Sweden, Norway and Denmark aren't going to get rid of their royal houses and finns and estonians arent going to shovel money to some inbred puppets.
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>>559330247
Touché.

>>559330389
I'd like to live in Finland. Helsingfors is like going back to the 50's in Sweden. Everyone is white and sexy.

>>559330465
Pretty accurate except during the world wars, Sweden, Denmark and Norways all proclaimed armed neutrality and would have backed each other up if both were attacked. During WWII, a Danish force retreaded into Sweden to defend Sweden from the expected German invasion. Sweden, due to poor co-ordination, thought they were the germans and sent a force to attack them. Luckily no one was hurt before they could realize their mistake, and the German invasion never came which meant the Danes could sit out the war on a beach in Skåne...
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>>559333650
Swedes are complete faggot pushovers, see WWII for reference, they probably thought the CCCP would own them too if they joined.
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>>559330594
Norway is generally against the EU, the rest are pretty indecisive with around 50-50 votes. Either way they are part of the EU now.

Regarding NATO, Sweden claims "armed neutrality" which is against NATO (although they're pretty much allied to NATO anyway), Finland can't join due to a treaty with Russia, and Norway and Denmark is already part. Thus, a military union is difficult to achieve.
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>>559333185
>hurrdurr monarchies are evil
They are fucking unnecessary! Currently we have a completely useless royal family sucking up millions each fucking year just for being born into a "royal family".

We have a crown princess ho's an ex druggie; cheated on heir boyfriends and had a son with her boyfriends mate

We have a princess who claims she can talk to angels and have developed this scheme (angel school) so that others too can learn how to communicate with angels or dead relatives.

Just because something is a tradition doesn't mean it is correct our reasonable - quite the opposite in many instances.

??? ???????? ?????
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>>559330664
As I wrote in the second post, each nation will keep their monarchies unless that nation votes to end them. It's kind of like the German monarchies. Swedes would probably get sick of their "knug" pretty soon...

>>559330668
Actually the countries most recently ruled by another are probably the most sceptical to joining something called something as dreadful as a "union".
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>>559333650
during the cold war, at least sweden and norway had " non official " agreement of joint resistence agianst the USSR if a war started. but they also though that using tactical nukes from day one was a good idea, even though they where in england ready too be airlifted over. ( norway denied nato to have nukes in norway)
from the book " Landforsvarets krigsplaner under den kalde krigen "
( Land Defence's, war plans during the Cold War" by Gullow Gjeseth
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>>559333308
Denmark also builds good ships. Particularly warships, I might add. You can do the submarines though. Not really our thing. I would still prefer my tanks german, and planes to be theeurofighter. A discussion for another day though.
Oh, and I see your thorium, and raise you windmills!
Anyway, all of the countries have their merits (possible exception being Estonia), but of course the unification should happen in a way that would not compromise current national economies, but strengthen them.
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>>559330771
Uh, current predictions estimate Poland will get rich and developed, and Sweden will collapse without the N.U...

>>559331128
A lot of people would need some convincing before wanting a unified nordic area. There are some small grassroots movements starting up as we speak. In fact, what you're reading right now is probably one of them. In the future, I think a lot more people want a unification. But if we wait too long Sweden will be an Islamic caliphate, and without Sweden a union would be difficult to pull off.
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>>559331142
Except the N.U. might not be too eager to join NATO given how they've treated the Norwegian and Danish armies as waste disposal for outdated garbage, and also pressured them to join their oil wars.

>>559331321
Norway would get to keep their oil, since it would be quite irrelevant compared to the minerals and natural resources we'd extract from the thawing arctic. Norway would get richer, everyone would get richer, dolla dolla bill yall.
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>>559333642
I was unaware that Estonia even had Nordic roots. I know Sweden and Norway would be the biggest contributors, but in the long run it would be beneficial to all, wouldn't it?
I mean free trade, combined natural resources, and greater political expand.
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>>559331724
It is a cheesy ass BF platoon cause fuckit why not, come neckbeard with us, friend.
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>>559334434
>each nation will keep their monarchies
You can count me out then.

Finland! Iceland! Can I come and live with you guys instead?
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>>559333210
Most of what Russia has, is on the boarder with Europe. Their defencebudget is at some 3,3% of GDP (source: My memory), while the nordic countries are around 1-1.4% of GDP (same source). We could be a regional power, but we couldn't play hardball with Russia on our own. The only thing we could really hurt was their economy. But that IS power.
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>>559331756
Well, the N.U. would allow for a public vote in the country with the monarchy for whether or not that monarchy should be allowed to proceed. That is a step forward, since nowadays, it is illegal to organize a democratic election as to whether or not the monarchy should still stand. Then again the only nay-sayers would be Sweden who would lose their knug, but still...
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>>559334121
I don't know, I'm to ignorant about the situation to comment. But I would have prolly done the same if I had the Soviet Union at my door and no one to back me up.
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>>559334208
What's the treaty with Russia about?
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One thing though. Shouldn't Scotland also join? The Scottish National Party have proposed for Scotland to apply to the Nordic council if they gain independence from the UK. Scotland share a lot of history with us Nords, and I think it would only be logical for them to join, for a lot of the same reasons Estonia should. Scotland also has oilfields and other resources that could turn them into a major asset for a Nordic union. Norwegian here BTW.
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>>559334682
Windmills is not a fucking natural resource, anyone can build one, you don't dig them out of the ground.
Norway chose the JSF because it made the most sense economically and it fit the parameters of what we needed for a fighter.
We have contracts to deliver the missiles for it.
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>>559331826
Regarding immigration, each state would be allowed to deny or allow as many immigrants as they wish (so no immigration for iceland), however the national immigration rate would probably be dictated by national political parties, just like today. And since a large portion of the voters are Norwegians, Finns, (possibly estonians), greenlanders, Icelandics etc, there wouldn't be much immigration. Also, judging by the development in Sweden and denmark, they wouldn't push far in the more immigration-direction.
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>>559335812
Oops, didn't notice until now that had been mentioned already.
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>>559335182
We already have free trade deal. I don't think Norway is up for the idea of sharing natural resources, and depending on what is found in Greenland, neither will they be, and thereby Denmark (Greenland's former/still unofficial colonial master).
A monetary union could be a deal though, and give us some of the advantages of the euro, without having to be overly associated with southern Europe.
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>>559334682
I agree, if the nordics manage to create a union they would probably be one of the strongest states both within military development and in the financial sector
Don't really see why this hasn't been done before other then EU, NATO and Russia having a important role in this not becoming a reality
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>>559335121
If you think Scandinavia will get shit in the arctic you are pretty fucking dumb, the US and Russia are fighting over that bitch and no one else is getting a crumb without getting an army shoved up their ass.
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>>559332062
For Estonia (which I might not include further on), see
>>559330417
For immigration, see
>>559335825
and second post in thread under "insert country has too many immigrants!"

To summarize my stance on immigration in TLDR pasta;
In a way you could argue that I'm trying to tell Norwegians, Finns etc. that the N.U. would not have Swedish immigration statistics per capita, and that they should not reject the N.U. on those grounds. However, I have never stated there SHOULD be more or less immigration, only that there WILL be less immigration than the per capita immigration to Sweden at the moment, regardless of whether the Union party wants more immigration or not, due to the majority of the voters being from nations that today are quite anti-immigration.

Further, Sweden is an extreme case, disproportionate and near incomprehensible to almost all other countries on earth in the number of annually granted citizenships' per capita... Clearly, a socialist welfare state with little independence and a complex, very excluding and quite harsh social hierarchy, like Sweden, doesn't really allow for effective integration or a prosperous multiculturalism. Thus, I personally believe that Sweden should accept less immigrants, put more pressure on other EU nations to accept more refugees to help out, and with the help of the N.U. have a strong and proper army branch for international humanitarian deployment, like the current force in Afghanistan, except larger and with more non-combat missions, like building houses, hospitals (2b continued)
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>>559334420
>crown princess : true she aint all that good.
>princess martha will never rule.

sucking up millions... they makes us more money then we spend on them. the politicians salaries are larger then the royal families. they pay no tax. they can retire after 8 years in the parlament. they decide their own wages and they live for free while in the parlament. the royal family lives at the mercy of the politicians... so tell me kind sir, if the royal family was unnessery and untwanted why does not the politicians throw them out?
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>>559336275
(pt. 2)
and schools in for instance refugee camps. There are currently 6 million internal refugees in Syria alone (not to mention the rest of the world). Whether Sweden grants right of asylum to 150 000 of those or not is quite irrelevant. "Like pissing in the ocean", as we say in Sweden. All it does is cost us money through the very generous, extensive, and sadly not thought through or well organized welfare we give, damages our cultural heritage, and spreads Islam and Islamism in Sweden. If we would have a strong humanitarian force, an "insatsstyrka", we could save millions and rebuild entire countries...

So I never pandered to anti-immigration people, and I personally only believe we should take less immigrants than Sweden currently does per capita (note that Sweden has a much higher immigration rate than the rest of the N.U. countries), push other countries to take more refugees, and do a lot more direct "ground zero" humanitarian work (preferably not just paying the corrupt U.N. unreasonable sums for doing nothing like we are now). I never said anything even remotely related to stopping refugee immigration.

Keep in mind this is a pasta far to politically correct for /b/tards.
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>>559334121
yeah, whereas Denmark was such a proud and hard fighting nation during that war... Damn right... Please don't look any of that up.
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>>559335815
Too fucking bad that the Joint Strike Fighter is a failure
Proved to be shit againts the Euro Fighter
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>>559332391
Current oil reserves are expected to run out in less than 20 years. N.U. oil and mineral reserves outside and on Iceland, Greenland, Svalbard, etc. are batshit insane compared to the relatively speaking tiny Norwegian oil possession, especially if possessing all these territories justifies for expansion of national water borders.
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>>559334660
So then that just proves that Norway and Sweden know that together they are better of in such a tough situation.
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>>559336390
A Republic seems to work very well for our neighbors Iceland and Finland. If they can do without that antiquated for of rule then so can we.

>if the royal family was unnessery and untwanted why does not the politicians throw them out?
Have you heard of a little thing called "Grunnloven" before? No? Well, then allow me to quote the first paragraph for you:

§ 1. Kongeriket Norge er et fritt, selvstendig, udelelig og uavhendelig rike. Dets regjeringsform er innskrenket og arvelig monarkisk.
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>>559332737
Indeed, and future predictions indicate a huge growth in Estonia, and with the N.U. having access to arctic minerals and oil as they thaw out, we'd be filthy rich. The most risky part is Sweden, which according to U.N. predictions will go downhill quickly if we keep our affermative, rad-fems, mass immigration and collapsed school system. The N.U. would be the salvation, and Sweden would be needed to connect our eastern russian testicular squeezers (Finland and Estonia) with the western resource locations (faroe, greenland, iceland, svalbard)
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>>559336105
With the way globalization is taking over, It would seem like unification is good deal.
Isn't there something Finland and Sweden can offer Norway and Denmark aswell?
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>>559332763
There are a lot of FB-groups for different nordic unions. Might start one later on... The BF group is mostly for teh lols and an excuse to put our flag on everything...

>>559333149
By boat then. Fuck you. Visit Iceland, it's amazing and full of white people.
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>>559336118
The EU and NATO wouldn't be a problem if all countries could agree to become members of these organisations as a part of NU. I don't see that as a big problem. And fuck what Russia thinks. Not their fucking problem.
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>>559335728
There isnt any treaty.
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>>559333185
Agree with most of that except freemasons, who really are some nasty fucks. Any secretive organization with lots of cult-like symbols and signs is bound to fuck shit up. Like the "the wave" experiment, except covert and bent on really weird motifs.
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>>559337063

NU wouldn't alter anything with the royal families. Why is this an issue? If a country want's to keep them, fine. Get rid of them, fine. NU is irrelevant to this topic.
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>>559337546
So then Finland can't join similarly the same way Ukraine can't join?
(and I know that Ukraine is a much more extreme situation).
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>>559336573
"proved"when they have never met in combat?
The F-35 is a multirole aircraft while the Eurofighter is an interceptor, if you want to compare apples to oranges.
If you are going to compare, compare the F-22 with the Eurofighter.
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>>559333308
Uh, Sweden produces more electricity than you (the nuke plants and them being willing to fuck their eco-systems over with hydroelectric dams). They're also the second biggest weapons exporter in the world per capita, and unlike you they manufacture airplanes and tanks as well (not included in the calculation, mind you). With a N.U., SAAB could easily produce a nordic stealth fighter (Flygsystem 2020 is already being developed), Norway could supply a lot of tech, and we could get our own tanks again, like the CV90 and s-tank. Our stealth subs would be the best in the world (HMS Gotland, kockums being bought by SAAB), our weapons undefeatable with Norway and Bofors, etc.
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>>559337063
1.the king may only use his veto three times ( agianst a proposition )>the parlament and after that it will be pushed thru anyway.

2. if he uses that power he will be voted out by the parlament or more likely there will be a nation wide vote if norway should keep the royal institution or not.
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>>559333448
Not only no but fuck no. That flag is ugly as fuck, and makes every non-dane hiss in despise when they see it. The Kalmar Union was a huge failure. It was a dictatorship, it was focused on Denmark, it was ruled by feudal lords, etc, and every region except Denmark suffered from it. My flag is as far away from the Kalmar Union flag as possible while still keeping it a cross flag for a reason.
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>>559338005
Finland could join, but at the moment support for NATO-membership is something like 60-40% with majority against it.
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>>559337316
Finland, yes. Their economy resembles the rest of the Scandinavian countries, and they have the best educational system in the world. Estonia is the joker, but they are small and I don't think they would be able to fuck it up for the rest. Besides they do have historical links with both Denmark, Sweden and Finland.
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>>559333606
>So far all the pro arguments have been "but wouldn't it be cool?" level
>all the pro arguments have been "but wouldn't it be cool?"
>all the pro arguments
>all

Did you even read the thread?
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Finnfag here.

Would love to leave EU and join Nordicbros in Union of our own.

We need a bit of support to hold the Eastern front vs Russia though, bros.

Don't leave us fucking hanging against them, like you did in the last wars.
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>>559338232
Riveting narrative, old chap!

I'm off to the trap thread - have fun sucking Harald's cock
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>>559337172
What do you mean with Sweden being a high risk, I thought they had the biggest economy of the Nordic countries?
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>>559338008
This has been done in air combat exercises. The eurofighter won.
F-35 will probably function well for bombing mission, but they are to slow for air policing and dogfights.
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>>>PLEASE READ: A PERSONAL APPEAL FROM OP<<<

If you're a neckbeard, and really cheesy, you can join our BF4 platoon to support us 'n shit, here;

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/platoons/view/2297038443470875269/
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>>559318713
While it could seem like a logical demographic evolution, there's a lot of transitional stuff to account for.
Firstly, we have very different culture. People outside the northern sphere won't give this much thought, but take one random person from each country and make them have to socialize or do some tasks, and a lot of the challenges will be apparent.

We would have to assimilate into one cultural pool. People woild have to move around across the virtual borders and shuffle around.
This would probably take many generations, maybe 100-200 years.
Would you really thrive this kind of chaotic environment? (norfag btw)
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>>559337516
>join NATO
Fuck it, this idea is literally shit
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>>559338725
We're looking you Sweden!
But this would not mean an automatic exit from the EU. the NU could function within the EU just as the UK functions within the EU.
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>>559338067
The Gripen is pretty shit compared to the other fighters out there though.
Ah, yes, tanks, the s-tank DOESNT HAVE A FUCKING TURRET, this means it has to aim by turning its tracks and it can't fire on the move, you build shit weapons and your planes fall out of the sky.
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>>559333642
Estonia is progressing fast and HDI/GDP-PC predictions all show they'll soon be on our level (they're already almost there). What is more of a concern is the downturn for Sweden and Denmark...

And the N.U. would be small, but the military budget, economy, wealth and resource possessions would be insanely large.
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My opinion: yay
My prediction: nay
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>>559338573
So pretty much NATO doesn't want to let FInland join in order to not piss of Russia.
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>>559339137
why?
Finland would benefit, and Sweden could be indifferent. Norway and Denmark are already members.
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>>559338984
Because the F 35 is multi role, like I already said and not an interceptor. Norway cannot support multiple types of fighter jets so we needed one that filled all the roles the best as possible and the F 35 is it.
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>>559333650
It wasn't just being bad-ass. Sweden and Finland were tightly co-operating even during WWII, and a Swedish NATO membership would make it very difficult for Sweden to keep the alliance going since the Russians would get mad. Finland was of great strategic importance to Sweden, as it was the first line of defense against the Russians. Thus, Sweden thought armed neutrality and supporting Finland would be better than submitting to NATO and leaving Finland to fend for themselves.
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ITT Faggots who want's to create a nordic super power then, even when as a super power, they want to join NATO and be USA's puppets

faggots/10, saged
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>>559338597
Every union has it's pros and cons, sure. But from what I've been told in this thread and from what I know, it would seem like the pros outweight the cons.
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>>559339860
You have three options in this world, be a puppet of the US, Russia or China or you gonna get raped like Ukraine.
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>>559339691
Neutrality.
Also I don't want my country fighting useless wars against mudslimes for other nations.
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>>559339479

Pretty much this.

Everyone is fucking leaving Finland to stand alone against the Russians, all fucking over again.
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>>559339479
Whatever you say, champ.
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You people can have the entire Baltics, Kola and Karelia, but we want Denmark.
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>>559339120
I doubt it'd be anywhere near as chaotic as you try to argue.
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>>559339294
Still better than the JSF (F-35) in a dogfight.
if you don't believe me, look at the facts about the aircrafts
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>>559340097
Then what's the point of merging all the nations..?
To become strong and still be USA's bitch?
The current nations that isn't in NATO is doing all fine staying out of war.
NATO will bring war not protect you from it.
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>>559335815
I don't want to derail the discussion with how the F-35 was the wrong choice. Doesn't matter now.

And yes, apart from a semi-ownership of Greenland, Denmark has no real natural ressources, which is why we have build up know how in how to produce other things, and have a lot of trade. 10% of the world shipping today is done on a Danish ship.
But I still agree with you that a Union should not be an economic drain on any of the members.
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>>559333674
Getting the ones who are already here out could be difficult... Immigration rates would plummet at least, that's for sure.

>>559333728
No need to get rid of the royal houses, read second post.

Finland and Estonia aren't that wealthy. If anything, Norway would shovel money on them, although a condition for joining the N.U. would probably be that norway got to keep their oil money, which would be acceptable since their oil money is nothing compared to the arctic.

>>559334121
Uh, they sent over 100 000 rifles, 2/3rds of the Swedish airforce (about five planes cause they were poor fucks), and a volunteer force of 18000 deployed or about to be deployed men (of which 12000 made it to the front before wars end) during the winter war. During the continuation war, despite their allegeded neutrality Sweden allowed german troop movement to Finland, etc. They had the same foreign policy as Finland of armed independent neutrality, and yet they still did that. My grandfather still has a scar on his right breast from a soviet bullet he received near Viborg.
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>>559340182
Yeah, sorry about that.
As an American I hate the thought of involving other nations in our political games.
Sweden is still with them aren't they?
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>>559318713
im out. good thread and good ideas.
will come back if i see this thread on a later date OP.
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>>559339768
Like the Fins can't handle the Russians on their own, ever heard of the winter war?
The only reason I would have against being in a union with the Fins is that they scare the fuck out of me.
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>>559340084
I think so too. Now we just have to convince the other 26 mill. Scandi-faggots.
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>>559339691
If we are going to let ourself be controlled by globalist organizations like NATOand the IMF there is no point in creating a strong regional union.
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>>559336118
why the fuck would we want to develop our militaries?

If the goal is a new military super power - then I'm not in. Not a single problem has ever been solved by means of military. Sure, conflicts have been squashed numerous times - but the underlying problems? Not malleable to brute force.

I'd much rather see scandinavia create a true peaceful utopia - setting forth an example for the rest of the world, and a the method to achieve it.-
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>>559334660
You should add that Sweden had a nuclear arms program, that got put on stand-by due to the public vote. However, recently released files prove Sweden had plans to convert their plutonium for their nuclear powerplants to nuclear bombs in weeks should Russia do something mean, and Swedish bombers were designed to be able to carry a nuclear payload. Essentially, during the cold war, Sweden was a nuclear weapons state on standby.
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>>559339768
True, but then Sweden could have just joined Nato anyways and have them be the first line and only defence. I still think that was pretty cool of them to stand with FInland.
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>>559334682
Pfff... Everyone knows the Swedish tanks are superior (the s-tanks were beastly, and the CV90 seems to be pretty appreciated by denmark), and with the entire NU funding it we could easily develop a nordic stealth fighter.
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>>559340671

Be serious.

You know as well as we do, that the Swedes really fucking pussied out in WWII and left the Finns to fight their war for them, largely alone.

Finns did all the fucking fighting and dying, while swedes fagged around as always.

Swedes also didn't help one fucking bit in the reparation punishments Finland had to pay to the fucking Soviets.

Pretty shameful period of history for Sweden, reallly.
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League of Nordic Countries sounds fancier. Or nordic League. Or Nordic Nations League
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>>559340123
This has happened only once in NATO history, and even then each country chooses how much they wish to contribute. Iceland sent ONE GUY. And Swedish neutrality is kind of meaningless, when Sweden spends so little on their defense. You could keep spending that little, and still be safe from IVAN, in NATO. I know there has already been discussions about it in Sweden in later years.
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>>559335182
Indeed... Except Iceland and Greenland would contribute a lot too through their natural resources.

>>559335260
>unless democratically removed
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>>559340947
To defend our assets and interests. Do you really not see oilfields or other resources as potentional military/terrorist goals? Why do you think Germany invaded Norway and Denmark? Strategic positions and iron transport routes. England tried to annex the Norwegian merchant navy.Imagine if Hitler or Churchill knew about the oil reserves in the North Sea!
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>>559340865
Well I may not be a Scandifag nor have any ancestral roots, but I still support this. I've always wanted to move up there.
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>>559340513
>The current nations that isn't in NATO is doing all fine staying out of war.

Ukraine...
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>>559335454
Uh, they have borders with the U.S., with China, Ukraine, etc. With current spendings, basshhed on my calculasshhionsh, our army would match their european sector currency-wise. Of course if we got filthy rich we could spend more.
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>>559340947
>>why the fuck would we want to develop our militaries?

To prevent from being manipulated and strong-armed by world powers.
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>>559340808
psst... Finland LOST the winter war. They fought well, but still lost. Had the rest of Scandinavia been there, they might have won...
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>>559318713
Can Mexico join?

We are the world's leading manufacturer of piñatas.
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>>559341439
Don't forget how dependent Germany was on Swedish steel.
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I was just in finland. got back home today. pic related

Finland>USA
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Can't wait until you traditionalist fags discover that scandinavian nations have strong traditions for christianity as a state religion, monarchies, strong labor unions and religious tolerance (despite state religion).

Basically everything you polfags typically hate more than your mothers.
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>>559335728
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Soviet_Treaty_of_1948

>>559335812
See
>>559325406
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>>559341415
Then why did Sweden buy more than 100 German L2 tanks?
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>>559340947
Armed neutrality
With the union you're able to put more pressure on Russia too so they don't provoke the nordics armed forces or violate thier borders like they have been doing recently to Sweden for example
I'm not a fan of war, but i believe that arms is necessery to achive peace, even if it means that you may not trust the country
but that's my opinion
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>>559335815
>JSF
>makes sense
whatever you say pumpkin
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>>559342203

What relevance does that have.

Finland had to pay reparations.
Sweden didnt.
They just exploited the Finns on all accounts.
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>>559341996
Well, Stalin's regime was a big part of why Finland did so good. Stalin had recently arrested/executed a lot of Soviet officers, which was extremely demoralizing for the Red Army. I'm not saying a Nordic union couldn't halt a Russian offensive, but the Russkies would probably be a lot fiercer now than they were back then. Also remember that the Finns recieved a lot of support from other countries, mostly Scandinavia.
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>>559341937
some 90% of their population is in Europe, and most of their defense aswell. I would still prefer to have the UK and Germany in my back when barking at Russia. Or else, there goes Iceland, and what the fuck do we do now? Full-scale war with a nuclear power?
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>>559336105
Norway wont have to share their current resources which won't even be much compared to those on greenland and around Iceland.

Greenland could be hard to convince if they go fully independent from Denmark... But they are important given their ore rich ground. It's either N.U. state money partially spent on developing greenland and help the eskimos and protect the environment, or it's international big biz companies from the U.S. & co. sucking Greenland dry while fattening the pockets of a select few eskimos.
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>>559336252
The N.U. would have the strategic, military, economical and logistical upper hand if we united. That's why the union is so important.
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>>559342581

It did make sense. We chose what our primary ally wanted to sell. Let's say the russians invade tomorrow. We can probably resist them for all of twenty minutes.

Do we put our hopes in the "neutral" Swedes who roll over for whicever despot throws money at them, France and their legendary frenchness or the US who has a track record for being a useful ally you can actually depend on?

That's right.
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Well nordfags, it would seem like a Nordic Union would be great idea with some cons but mostly pros. I say aye!!
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>>559340084
You don't know shit, shut the fuck up.
>>559341747
Same goes for you.

>>559341996
Yeah, they lost, to the fucking Russians, it was like if Papa Smurf boxed 12 rounds with Mike Tyson at his best and lost by split decision.
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>>559342963
>Also remember that the Finns recieved a lot of support from other countries, mostly Scandinavia.

Thats bullshit though.

Finns received barely anything from Scandinavia, especially considering the enormity of what they where up against.
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Im norwegian, and i would support unification if all the other countries would adapt to our language. On the plus side.. our millitary would be awesome !
<---- Norwegian special forces... just sayin...
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>>559342682
Just saying they were taking it in all their holes during WWII and loved it, because faggots.
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>>559336573
Gripen NG or Flygsystem 2020 would have been better in my opinion... Cheap, and gets the job done. What more could you ask for?
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>>559342963
I agree completely. I just think the argument of Finland being completely fine in a war against Russia was failed on so many levels.

The support Finland got was in the form of individual volunteers though. Not official help from the governments. What they really needed was supplies like ammunition and arms, and this was denied them. A shame really.
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>>559343489

A system produced by someone who doesn't make troop transports that can't be used during winter and a country that's capable of producing spare parts for the next couple decades?
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>>559342993
>Greenland could be hard to convince if they go fully independent from Denmark

Wtf are you talking about.

Greenland has a population of
>>56,968

And even most of those are not permanent residents.
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>>559343194
That is, if there even is anything up there to begin with, has there been any confirmed finds in the region that is worth raising eyebrows for?
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>>559343316
Yeah, looking at the numbers now, it seems you are correct.
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>>559337063
The N.U. would try to permit democratic rule to decide the fate of the monarchies.

>>559337316
Manpower, factories and companies, military supplies, strategic locations, tech companies (most norwegian oil drilling equipment is Swedish made), Finland has a great ground school etc... The least important member would be Denmark in my opinion...
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>>559343249
If you had read anything of what I've dsicussed with most people in this thread is that yeah, I didn't know a lot, So I asked people. And I've come to that conclusion, but because you don't agree does not make it wrong. Thats just being close minded and dense.
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Mexico wants in. We are glorious descendants of the elven. Even Pep came to work here.
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>>559337516
EU would mean we'd have to pay shitloads to greece, get our money regulated by the european central bank, and would force us to allow free immigration. Rather all the countries leave the EU at once and perhaps co-operate with them without full membership after uniting.

NATO might not be an ally at all given the U.S.-Canadian arctic oil rush. We'd actually want an independent force to patrol our waters. Further, NATO is costly and pulls you into a lot of oil wars. Better to just do like Sweden and not be a part but still be allied to NATO in secret.
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>>559343808
>implying you can become an expert on international politics by reading a thread on /b/
Goddamn the faggotry is strong with this one.
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>>559343794
Win win deal then.
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>>559343249
You just talked to the same person TWICE, as if they were two different people.
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Mexico is part of Scandinavia. We are white. Look my gf. pic related
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>>559343997
Dafuq, mexfag.

Aren't you currently busy and hands full with infiltrating and conquering the US with a slow constant immigration and economic sabotage?
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>>559343794
>most norwegian oil drilling equipment is Swedish made
waaaaaaaaaaat, citiation needed.
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>>559337546
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Soviet_Treaty_of_1948

>>559337958
Indeed

>>559338005
I don't think Russia would try to invade Finland, but it would certainly rustle their jimmies.

>>559338493
That looks like a Norwegian friend I had when I was a kid. Genetic studies show western Finland is pretty much identical to white Swedes due to the interbreeding. Just go there and look at people, they're fucking babes dude.
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>>559342993
Greenland will be very easy to convince! They do not want independence. Their economy is completely reliant on financial aid from Denmark, and around 50.000 people live there. There are way to few people, too scattered to maintain sovereignty. Right now that is maintained by the danish navy and military patrols across the ice.

Even if Greenland starts making a profit, when their mining gets going, they will still need people keeping Ivan out.
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>>559344189
You implied. I just said that from what I have been told and read about, it's looks more beneficial if Norde countries unified.
I at least have been given reason as to why this would be in the best interest for eveyone, if you're so against this, then please, list some as to why it wouldn't be beneficial. You know like educated people would.
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Can we join once we rid ourselves of England? Our population is one of the ugliest and our weather is perpetually shit but we're fun guys and most of us in the north are as much viking as anything else.
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>>559344353
He needed to be told twice.
>It was totally not the case that I didn't bother to read the ID, shhhhhh
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>>559344394
We want your land too :^)

Gib land pls
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>>559338597
Estonia is predicted to develop even further, and the strategy and shit etc etc see further up in thread etc.

>>559338725
Tell that to my senile Swedish grandpa. He might not remember much, but I can assure you, if you said that to him, he'd jump out of his wheelchair, rip off his shirt and point to the bullet scar on his chest, before calling you a communist traitor and jumping your ass...
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>>559344189
back. 4th year Political science here and i still dont know shit. politics is economics and vice versa. also old wars and history has alot to say.

the more i learn about politics the more i dislike it. still intardesting though
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>>559331375
>swedn pls go
loL
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>>559344721
id be alright with our ancient scotfags returning to the nordic fold.

especially cos fk england, and that cunts crown.
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>>559338848
Biggest monetary rotation yes that's true. What the U.N. predictions suggest is mostly based on our PISA test results, and according to the U.N., by 2030 we'll have the same HDI as Libya. Sweden is changing rapidly I'm afraid... It's not going to be great for much longer unless someone does something.
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>>559344721
>Scottish
>Fun
>Norse
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>>559344935
>Swede fighting in a war

mfw. You haven't fought in a war since your empire deflated like a limp balloon.

That's why Thatcher bitched you out for it repeatedly. Sweden rolls over for anyone throwing money at them.
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>>559339057
***PLEASE READ: EVEN MORE SPAM FROM OP***

Join our cheesy ass BF4 platoon to support the N.U.!
http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/platoons/view/2297038443470875269/
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>>559318713
Icelandfag here.
Fuck the European Union. Run by Jews and Semites and puppets of the USA.

Nordic Union all the way. Let's take over the world. VIKINGS ARE BACK AND ANGRIER THAN EVER.

Get Western influence out of our country. Become nationalistic again.

And maybe even do some kebabremoval in Sweden.
If they rape and throw rocks at ambulances, they get deported. Fuck them.
We only keep the loyalists and those that assimilated into OUR culture.
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>>559344709
Cultural differences, economic differences, all of the nations are in the EU or EFTA already and no real upsides unless there is significant resources under the north pole which are uncomfirmed.
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>>559345209
What excatly are they doing differently than the other Nordic countries?
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>>559345471
>Become nationalistic again.

By joining in a union... something us norfags spent 400 years trying to get out of.

Not a single patriot in the thread. I am disappoint.
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>>559345627

Importing kebab in record numbers and exporting all their kids to work in norway due to higher wages.

Lose your kids and import kebab: fastest way to fuck over your economy.
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>>559320298
Iceland was the first country to recognize Estonia's sovereignty.

So it's only fair Iceland is the one to annex it too.

Also, everyone in Estonia is pure white Aryan. So they can join.
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>>559339120
First of all, an internal healthy multiculturalism is what the N.U. tries to maintain. Jämtland should still be Jämtland, Skåne still Skåne, Åland still Åland etc, instead of what is currently taking place; everything is blending together with a lot of cultural loss as a result.

Judging from how internally there's a lot of cultural differences in our nations today, I don't see why we'd have to mix it up like you describe it... Further, the suggested N.U. nations are suggested because they are very similar culturally.
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>>559345320
Do you not know of the shared history between our kilt-wearing brothers and us Nords?
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>>559339270
So just another layer of shit on the cake of bullshit, great.
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>>559344113
>EU would mean we'd have to pay shitloads to greece, get our money regulated by the european central bank, and would force us to allow free immigration. Rather all the countries leave the EU at once and perhaps co-operate with them without full membership after uniting.

I also suggested a monetary union, which would mean goodbye Euro and Greece. I would still want to keep a fixed rate to the Euro, though. Better for exports.
Norway ALREADY pays to the EU because you are a member of the European economic and free trade associations. You would have to pay a very little more. And anyway, perhaps after the NU was formed, there would be a majority wanting out of the EU. I personally don't hope so, but I want the NU more than the EU, if I can't have both.
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>>559325406
Vikings came from Scotland. So it's okay.
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>>559339270
Except the EU is already quite dysfunctional... We should at least not be part of the EU from the start, maybe have democratic elections for different regions later on. However, immigration over our borders should be determined by the central government (suggestibly situated in Gothenburg), which means we'd have to go against some EU basics.
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>>559346129
>Vikings came from Scotland

BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Read up on the fucking etymology of the word.
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>>559345323
The Swedish state hasn't been to war since it was an empire. Individual Swedes on the other hand...
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>>559344721

Fuck off you Jacobethan France-hugging traitorous rebel cunt.

I'll be drinking all your salty tears when we tell you fuckers Naw.
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>>559345965
Yup. Doesn't make them Norse.
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>>559345938
I did not know that. Is there immigration structure not tight or are they just coming in illegaly?
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>>559345662
The union should not destroy anyone's independence. It should be like the Axis coalition.
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>>559346129
>>559346305
Actually it is well known that vikings come from mexico
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>>559345320
>making coherent points
>using greentext arrows
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>>559344113
When it comes to NATO, they have had no Oil wars. The war you are thinking about is Iraq, which was not NATO. NATO was Afghanistan though, and the only time in the history of the alliance, that it has actually been used.
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>>559346481

The leftwing want to "save the world" so they open the borders to anyone with a sob story.

The rightwing want to fuck with the unions so they need masses of unwashed kebab to be cheap labor. They also want to tie their own hands so that they can dismantle the welfare systems and privatize pension funds etc.

What the leftwingers don't realize is that these people are scammers and the real refugees who we SHOULD let in, are still back home dying.

What the rightwingers don't understand is that these monkeys don't actually work for a living so only half their plan works. Meanwhile we all lose.
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Is there a facebook pager or website of people acutally supporting this?
Or somewhere to start a real movement.
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>>559318956

Your threadly reminder that Greenland is rightful Canadian clay.

GAS THE DANISH
ARCTIC WARS NOW
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>>559345948
No, Estonia is Finland's little cousin.

They are related to us, and we face the Russians on the same front.

If anyone is to annex them, it will be the Finns.
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>>559339294
The Gripen did beat f22s in red flag though... Although you could argue this was the pilots and not the planes that caused that. And the point of Gripen is to be cheap, easy to maintain, and capable of landing pretty much anywhere. Originally planned for "guerilla air operations" in Sweden where they built roads big enough to serve as temporary air fields, it has also been selected to patrol remote areas in brazil, etc. It has a great turn-around time, and for its cost it performs ridiculously well. What will win in a fight between five Gripen NGs and one F35 for the same price?

As for the s-tank it has no turret to improve armament and to serve as a defensive tank hunter. It was great for defending against advancing tanks, which is what it was designed to do. What about the CV90? The AK5C? The Archer system? The AT4CS? the Gotland class subs? The Visby class corvettes? etc. Sweden produces some grade a shit dude.
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>>559346447
Neither is Finland, Northern Norway or Northern Sweden.
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>All Nordic countries out of NATO.
>Become Factor Three against Russia and allies and EU and US.
>Start building nukes
>Only wear Viking clothing at U.N.
>Threaten nations with pillaging if they don't shut their shit.
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>>559340097
Or, say fuck the puppeteers and form your own superstate. The N.U. way.
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Why Norway is skeptical of unions.
After the bubonic plague fucked up everyone in Scandinavia, Denmark, Sweden and Norway joined in a union.
After a while Sweden fucked off and Norway ended up being Denmarks bitch for 400 years and then Swedens bitch for another 100 after that because Denmark lost Norway to Sweden as booty for the Napoleonic war.
So yeah, fuck unions, fuck unions all the way.
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why the fuck is greenland and estonia tagging along?

Scandinavia > Rest of the worlds filthy plebs
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>>559347018
But comrade, Finland and Iceland will be of one mind prior to the annexation.

and Estonia will welcome us as saviors.

While Konstantin Päts spins in his grave.
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>>559347169

Would support all except nukes. Nukes are for faggot tin-pot states. If you can't fight with spear and axe, you deserve to get rekt.

Srsly, though, nukes are too expensive. Guerilla/terrorist tactics evidently work better because those you can actually use.
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>>559340761
Thank you, until next time fellow patriot!
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S-tank could engage as rapidly as its contemporary M60, had a far lower silhouhette, and better armor without devoting weight to a high CD turret. Such a design could be done even better now, and would rival the worlds greatest tank-killer, the StuG.
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>>559347279
>uperstate
>Lower population than Germany
Lolno
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>>559347523
>Greenland
because that shit is ours. we own that shit.

>Estonia
we need more whites to balance Sweden's superblacks.
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>>559345471
This is precisely the kind of person we don't want associated with this movement.

It would be about creating a large, rich and sovereign Union of like-minded countries. Not a "Burn the brown ones" right-wing fuck-fest
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>>559345948
>Iceland annexing anything
also
>Estonia
>pure white Aryan
Suck on my gnarly balls
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>>559347605
>Guerilla/terrorist tactics evidently work better because those you can actually use.
This.

Instead of Nukes, just build new and dangerous Viking weapons.
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>>559346129
wat
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>>559340808
The USSR employed pathetic tactics and was severely weakened during the winter war... Later on, they adapted newer doctrines (as in Stalingrad where not even Germany could defeat them), and after WWII, they were a massive superstate. Winter war USSR was something entirely different from cold war USSR.
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>>559347737
>Superstate
This keyboard sucks more than Ops mom.
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>>559347767
>This is precisely the kind of person we don't want associated with this movement.
Fuck you then. You're not getting Iceland.

>Not a "Burn the brown ones" right-wing fuck-fest
Sweden has a huge immigration problem. A proper union wouldn't ignore giant problems.
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>>559347646
Well Op, you somehow got a Amerifag here interested in N.U.
If I ever see a real movement for this I will support it anyway I can. Thanks eveyone for you replies. I'm out.
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>>559340947
We wouldn't look for war. The military power would be to pressure Russia, Canada and the U.S. to staying away from muh arctic resources, and it would bring with it lots of jobs, tech development and economic growth. In this day and age, wars can't be wage with force. Today, wars are fought by showing off your massive arsenals and fucking shit up through proxy wars like Syria.
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>>559347919

Instead of nukes you have 500 guys who know a lot about chemistry and 500 one-way plane tickets.

6 months after we get invaded, the invading nation suddenly has shit blow up all over their country.

In all honesty, I have a hard time understanding why the muslimfags don't do this. If you're an ISISfag, would you rather fight soldiers in -your- home or would you rather blow up civilians in -his- home?
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>>559346301
Upon forming the Union, there should also be an election for membership. I for still think the benefits of the EU outweigh the drawbacks, but membership should of course be a democratic decision.
The NU would actually give Scandinavia way more power in the EU
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Can we just dress like traditional Norseman?
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>>559347169
fucking lost it laughing

love it!
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>>559348462
Also start calling the day's by the actual Æsir.
Instead of Thursday, just say Thor's Day.
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>>559346997
And this is why Denmark needs the Union. Thank you for that point Canada buddy.
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>>559347969
Still had massive numerical advantage though.
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>>559347605
The point of nukes IS that you don't need to use them. Also, medieval weapons didn't seem to work too well for Poland against 1940s panzer (and those Polish hussars were seriously badass), so why would they work against 21st century laser guided bombs and cruise missiles?
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>>559341439
Sweden, Finland, Norway and Denmark had all declared armed neutrality. That is, unless they were attacked they would not attack. Sweden broke this declarations as much as they could without being fucked over by the allies or axis. Do you mean Sweden should have attacked the Soviet Union head on, which meant complete isolation and soviet clearance to fuck Swedish shipping lines over best the could? Sweden was just as much a pussy as the rest of scandinavia, they just got lucky.
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>>559347741
Well yeah, Denmark technically owns greenland, but i dont think a bunch of iceniggers is good to have in a potential union. we got enough of those fuckers coming in from the east.

and Estonia haven viking blood running through their veins..or saunas for that matter.
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>>559347605
Without nukes your borders are never secure because invading you has no real consequence, like Ukraine.
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>>559341510
Yeah but it doesn't sound like a state.

>>559341512
Actually NATO requires an annual payment percentage of the national GDP.

>>559341996
The soviet goal was to make Finland an SSR. Did they succeed? Nope.

>>559342050
No, Poland is first in line.

>>559342370
Come again?
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>>559348097
Yeah, but you don't address problems by playing at being viking...
Again, this should be a modern country. We can have strict and fair immigration, but this shouldn't be something based on racism (So the wrong fucking forum).
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>>559348316
The thing is that once you are at war with a country, that country will probably start rounding up all countrymen of yours that are behind enemy lines. That happened with Japanese people living in the US during WWII.
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