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what do you say /b/? fuck nuclear plants?
they are freaking dangerous and a threat to all people around them
>inb4 try to produce enough energy without nuclear power
>fuck you, im from austria
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They're dangerous because people like you rally so no one can build new ones so we're left with 50 year old shit storms.
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Anyone who has your opinion of nuclear power is too stupid to argue with. Enjoy your thread.
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>>557688141
>implying accidents cant happen in new ones
>implying you have any real sort of "control" on meltdowns (see fucking earthquake in fukushima)
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>>557687894
They're really not dangerous. The issue is that, when there's a problem, it's a big problem.
But they're less dangerous than coal and natural gas, and take up less space than wind and solar.
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>>557688561
i dont think you can compare things like making hundreds of squarekilometers unihabitable with normal explosions
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>>557688796
That happened literally twice.
Meanwhile, coal plants blast out massive amounts of pollution, causing all sorts of health problems.

Not to mention there are other, safer designs in the works than the standard pressurized water reactor.
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>>557687894
im from austria to and we import nuclear electric energy from france
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>>557688550
>>implying I implied

Then you don't build them in danger zones. It's called foresight.
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>>557689336
Fucking this. Fukushima was totally under-equipped to weather a tsunami.
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>>557689336
Is that how we get ants?
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>>557689328
>mfw someone found out my first argument was in fact nearly worthless

>>557689113
compare how many years that last
and two times is two times to much
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>>557688141
/thread
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>>557687894
you seem to be ignoring there are other ways to create nuclear power that don't require crazy unstable isotopes or elements like plutonium and uranium. Look into thorium
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>>557687894
Well, if we can work out some way to efficiently transport electricity through space we could just build a nuclear power plant on the moon, no?

couldn't make the damn place any less
inhabitable
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>>557689753
http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html
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>>557687894
What does eating kangaroos and having a particularly worthless indigenous population have to do with nuclear energy?

Your entire country looks like a nuclear bomb went off, like everywhere, anyway.
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>>557690343
shit, that idea is actually pretty good. sadly there will be no possible way for that in the next years..
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>>557690421
in this diagram the aftermath is not included because you cant really categorise for example why a person got cancer
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>>557689336
/thread
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>>557690670
>being this retarded
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>>557691051
But you can estimate the increase in risk, and from that extrapolate excess deaths.
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>>557691371
>implying you can trust any statistic like that
that doesnt prove me right, but thats really not an argument
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>>557691610
Did you even read the link?
He goes into excruciating detail about where he got those numbers.
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>>557691051

Should probably get rid of cars as well if you're concerned with cancer.

Nuclear power plants are generally built outside cities and suburbs. Where the only people who would be effected by the very minimal extra radiation are the people who voluntarily work there.

Nuclear power is clean and safe as long as a little bit of planning has gone into it, and if you're building a nuclear power plant, I'm guessing there's gonna be a lot of planning involved.

People don't just knock up a Power plant willy nilly.
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>>557691369
>>557691369

>being so retarded as to not even know about Thorium-based Molten salt reactors (MSRs, LFTRs)

Your homeland has the most Thorium in the world!

You should have a Fosters and a Vegemite sandwich to celebrate your lack of education, you moronic fuck
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>>557687894

It's not only about explosions risks
It's mostly about all the fucking TONS OF IMMORTAL DEATH TOXIC WASTES produced each years, poisonning the planet if not buried,

... and even buried, we have to praise that it will never be affected by some "sub-earthquake" or pierced

Nuclear is shit, fuck it. Let's replace it by clean energy
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>>557692202

He said Austria.
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>>557692202
>implying i live in australia
>being this retarded

>>557692223
i agree

>>557692048
>statistic
>not faked
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>>557692223
Yeah, but that's an issue with the current fuel cycle, not nuclear power itself.
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>>557692515
>>words
>>words
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>>557692424
>>557692515

fucking newfags.
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>>557692819
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>>557689336
kek
And, tru dat.

Btw, I've been on a trip to inactive fission power plant in Germany, and we saw it from inside (it was never launched), and we had lecture on nuclear power plants in Germany. From thriteen only four are working after Fukushima, and it's like fucking statue to honour people's stupidity. Let's work on fusion plants faster, so those Greenpeace faggots would shut their mouths. Fucking niggers.
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Mama always said:

>if you want nuclear waste hurled into the sun
>ya gotta do it yourself
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>>557692962

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZreEBnqlZlk

and this is the kind of shit Green peace put together.

DON'T BUILD ANYTHING, TERRORISTS MIGHT FLY A PLANE INTO IT.

STAY INDOORS.

HELP THE WHALES.

They're fucking Fear mongering
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>>557692048
>>557689336
chernobyl fucking conterminated my home due to nuclear rain. i cant even eat mushrooms

>>557692805
>no argument
>no argument
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>>557693556

I can.
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>>557693487
oh, shut your mouth about greenpeace, fuck that faggots
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>>557693702
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>>557687894
Yiss... Noch ein österreichfag! Und ja Atomkraftwerke sind scheiße. ich hab nicht umsonst eine ausbildung als energietechniker
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>>557693386
problem with this is the risk of spacecraft crashing/exploding for whatever reason, releasing large amounts of nuclear waste into the atmosphere, contaminating the entire planet and causing a nuclear holocaust
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>>557694256
erzähl mal so davon, wäre sehr interessant deine meinung dazu zu hören
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They're considerably the safest and cleanest form of energy we can use, besides solar/wind/geothermal, but they require so much space, and are so inefficient that they are not an optimal source of energy at this current time

The Fukishima "meltdown" was a near-accident, the only explosion was a basic hydrogen explosion which really did nothing, only trace amounts of elements were released, and even then, only the immediate sorrounding area was in danger.

Bozo's like you are the reason why only the less-safe reactors are around really, and honestly the community behind them are concerned with safety above anything.

They really are the future of energy, people just piss their pants over the word "nuclear"
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>>557689336
My nigga killin the game.
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people are afraid of nuclear and then they wonder why don't have shit like flying cars that sci-fi promised us 60 years ago
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>>557693487

Fuck

Greenpeace sucked this time

COME ON, disuading new nuclear plants is not so difficult that they have to surf on the fear of terrorism
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>>557694606
Well... as I see it, nuclear power as it is, is rather dangerous. The powerplants that are built until today and are still under construction do inherit a certain danger. Both melt-downs (Chernobyl and Fukushima) were ultimately caused by human failure and the principle of how the reactors were built. Also, radioactive waste is still a problem that has no solution and grows constantly.

Thorium reactors wouldn't be able to melt down and explode and rather die out. The problem is that it is underdeveloped and not applicable in it's current state of development.

Renewable energies have a high potential but since there are so many restrictions in building and using them they are not sufficent on their own. If someone is interested I'll try to explain them a bit more detailed.
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>>557694645
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Atomforum#Geschichte.2C_Kritik
i guess you cant read it, but its an examply how fucked up the nuclear companies are nowadays
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>>557687894
OP, you are humongous faggot and that's okay, but look at this shit:
Nuclear power plants are projected by specialists with high IQ and years of extremely hard studies, which are way wiser then you will ever be. If you don't trust them, then you have even less reasons to trust yourself, so you can go kill yourself already.
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>>557695878
>2014
>impying science is not in the hands of large companies

>>557695840
yeah, please
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The only reason we're not running on Thorium-based nuclear power today is back in the day when a decision needed to be made as to what type of material to use to develop nuclear power, the war gods of America much preferred the one that gave them the byproduct known as Plutonium. One guess as to why. So interest in Thorium was shelved, until recently.
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>>557696068

>implying the laws of science change when in the hands of big business
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>>557696068
Most renewable energy sources don't produce a steady amount of electricity like thermal powerplants (they can be geothermal, coal or nuclear. they are all thermal). Instead, they produce electricity depending on the current circumstances. wind turbines work only when there is wind, solar panels only when there is sun etc. The problem is that they produce more energy than can be used and we have no means to save all the energy that comes from them. So, to have energy when the circumstances for the renewables are not right, we would need to develop a possibilty to save the excess energy or use thermal power plants which are only restricted by fuel.
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ITT

You're the reason technological advancement in nuclear power is so slow.
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>>557696657
scientist are payed to (not) publish their results
its very easy nowadays to fake a statistic for example
so, yes, they do
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>>557695840
>Renewable energies have a high potential
If that were true, entrepreneurs would be making shittons of money and business would be flourishing like silicon valley 2.0, not barely stumbling along only because of government incentives.
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>>557697018
how 'bout good ol' solar roadways?
and energy from water (as an austrian, you know how awesome water is) is very steady, but there is very less left space for more plants...
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>>557697018
As it is, we can't simply not use nuclear power plants as we are partly depended on them (thank the companies) but they are also bound to be a problem on the long run if we don't finally start developing the thorium technology but I think it will be the same with it as it is with the nuclear fusion. It just won't come to a result if it is not profitable.

>>557697404
If you would have done any thinking you would realize that renewable energies are an investment that pays itself off in time. You build it once and don't have to pay for anything afterwards and get free energy for as long as you keep the thing running. Think for a bit longer than your next weekend.
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>>557698039
true, have myself some photovoltaik on my garage. shit is awesome, i only have to pay for the energy i use at night anymore
next investment will be some windy thing, any suggestions?
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>>557697707
As I said, solar power is not as steady as it would be needed, not even the solar roadways. And you already said, hydropower is cool but has it's limit as it need rivers and there are limits as to how many we can build in one river. and austria is pretty much the best country for hydropower. in spain it would barely cover a fraction of what is needed.
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>>557698628
Not without having been there, sorry. I wouldn't want to give bad advice in this matters and I would have to guess a shitload of things before I could start recommending something.
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>>557699080
then tell me what i must consider for my decision please

and btw, do you personally think austria will legalize thorium when its development is very advanced?
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>>557699317
da hier eh keiner mehr außer dir liest... ein windrad ist nicht unbedingt leise also solltest du genug abstand zu gebäuden haben in denen leute wohnen, sonst kriegst du die genehmigung nicht. Außerdem solltest du einen platz wählen auf dem genug wind geht. schau dir die hauptwindrichtung an und was da so rumsteht. bäume und gebäude verlangsamen den wind, mitten in einem haufen felder mitten im nirgendwo wärs ideal. ansonsten je höher desto schneller und unbehindeter der wind.

also kurz:
1. viel freie fläche rundherum
2. möglichst hoher punkt, hügel oder so
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>>557699317
wegen thorium. kein plan. es ist noch nicht mal ansatzweise in einem brauchbaren stadium aber wenns in 10-20 jahren soweit ist vlt ja
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Chernobyl is a wildlife haven. Amazing things start happening when places idyllic enough for people to colonise are released back to nature. Animals and trees don't even give a fuck about radiation levels that are sub - 'kill everyone within a month' levels.

As far as 'side effects' go, the occasional unplanned safe zone from human habitat destruction isn't that bad. It also improves carbon economy even further, despite the reactor no longer being operable. You know, on account of all the fucking trees and no fucking people.
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>>557693556
You should probably move to a less shitty country.
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>>557700179
mehr felder und freie fläche in windrichtung als hier geht nicht. hab mir erst ein zusätzliches grundstück als erweiterung gekauft. neben dem haus stehen leider etliche bäume, also würde es nur auf der neuen mauer gehen. bei uns geht verhältnismäßig viel wind, vor allem tagsüber. nachts eher weniger. denkst du es würde reichen um meinen bedarf komplett zu decken? mit 24 paneelen wäre mein bedarf kpmplett gedeckt, da ich dopelt so viel produziere wie ich verbrauche. aber in der nacht ist das dann eher sinnlos...
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>>557689336
/thread
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They have caused less deaths than solar energy. they are the second safest energy siurce and they are not bad whatsoever.
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>>557701098
Ein paar solarpanele UND ein windkraftwerk sollten schon genug produzieren wenn du keinen übermäßigen verbrauch hast aber das problem ist halt die speicherung für die nacht. das ist eben das problem mit den erneuerbaren. sie sind nicht kntrollierbar. über nacht ists halt schwierig.
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>people dont like nuclear power plants
>no one mentions the nuclear reactor driven machines like navy vessels
>there is one just off the coast of san diego
>there is 3 at newport
>these things are just as bad as nuclear plants
>except these things are parked in populated areas
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>>557697191

LAWS OF SCIENCE OP LAWS OF SCIENCE not statistical reports some company makes to sell more of their product.

learn2read
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>>557701851
ja, wie gesagt, mit den 24 bin ich momentan leider immer noch im minus.. es ist zwar trotz allem eine enorme ersparnis, aber eben schwerer zu akklimatisieren..
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>>557702064
Laws of Science don't prevent people from doing stupid or careless things. Nothing does.
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>>557687894
Ignorant idiot.
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>>557702047
true, really didnt think about that
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>>557702378
Also über den tag produzierst du genug nur in der nacht brauchst du halt strom? wenns so ist dann kann ich dir schwer helfen. das gleiche problem haben wir im großen maßstab auch. das ist einer der gründe warum die erneuerbaren allein nicht die ultimative lösung sind. leider.
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>>557702914
zumindest bis die energiespeicherung soweit fortgeschritten ist das man diese enormen energiemengen die sie über den tag produzieren speichern kann.
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>>557702047
>bad
The only reason sheep like you think it is bad is because that lie has been perpetuated by oil companies. It is literally safer than solar.
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>>557702047
>>557702696
but if something goes wrong can't they just drive away?

i mean it wont be like a nuke going off right?
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>>557702914
ja, das perverse daran ist, dass die menge eigentlich für die nacht auch gerade ausreichen würde, wenn ich sie speichern könnte.. aber leider muss ich sie stattdessen ins netz einspeisen.. sorgt dann eben doch für ein gesamtminus in der bilanz, und vlt könnte das ja durch zusätzliche installation eines windrades ausgeglichen werden... aber erzähl mal von deinem "großen maßstab"
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>>557703182
it would be exactly like that. they dont have enough time to drive away
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>>557703301
naja... landes und europa weit gesehn ist es so das immer so viel strom produziert wird wie gebraucht wird und je nach dem kraftwerke hoch- bzw runtergefahren werden weil man es einfach nicht speichern kann. zum teil laufen windräder auch im leerlauf weil sie sonst das netz überlasten würden. Die einzigen sinnvollen methoden das zu speichern sind speicherkraftwerke die wasser mit dem überschuss den berg hochpumpen und wieder runterrinnen lassen in turbinen wenns gebraucht wird und das geht halt nicht überall.

Ein kohlekraftwerk zb kannst du mehr oder weniger anheizen und die produzieren dann halt in der nacht den strom wenn die erneuerbaren nichts oder zu wenig machen. Das ist zumindest der derzeitige stand. noch mehr fragen?
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People like OP are the reason we can't all have nice things. Also, confusing nuclear power with nuclear bombs disqualifies OP from having an opinion. On anything.
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>>557704105
arbeitest du bei evn und co? und wie seit ihr eigentlich bei euch zu sonnenenergie gestellt, hab in Ö noch kaum felder gesehen
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>>557704497
oh gott, *seid
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>>557704497
Ich studier grad, hab aber ein paar praktika gemacht also kann ich dir leider nichts genaueres über irgendwelche firmen sagen. Ich weiß einiges von der technischen seite aber was firmenpolitik angeht hab ich nicht allzuviel erfahrung. Und das mit den solarfeldern hat eher damit zu tun das es nocht nicht viel gefördert wird. Damit sowas wirklich umgesetzt werden kann muss die regierung zumindest teilweise dahinterstehn aber die sitzt ja nur rum mim daumen im arsch und überlegt sich wie sie das bildungssytem noch mehr verscheißen können.
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They cause less fatalities per MWH than coal plants do.
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>>557689328
lel
Hippie fag OP BTFO
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Thank mr skeltal
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>>557705785
Thank mr skeltal
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>>557687894

Fucking idiot, stupid baby boomer hippies like you keep us stuck in 1949 with dirty, dangerous, corrupt, and politically disasterous energy infrastructure.

Please die off with them and take your shitty superstitious unscientific worldview with you.
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>>557705496
lol, good one. aber meine anlage ist schon ziemlich stark gefördert worden, ist das bei unternehmen nicht so?
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Nuclear is a very wide definition of various ways to generate electricity. Fusion is where my bets are at. Just a decade or two and we won't need new fission reactors. Fusion is safer, more efficient and leaves no heavy radioactive waste.
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Fuck your stupid shit OP and fuck fusion. Thorium is the way to go. Thorium master race.
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>>557689113
Coal plants also yield more radioactive waste than nuclear plants.

There is fucknothing clean about "clean coal". It's an unquantified marketing "brand", and means nothing.
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>>557706130
hmmm... da müsst ich mich ehrlich gesagt mal genauer damit beschäftigen. ich habs nicht so mit politik und so. wie gesagt, mein wissen außerhalb vom technischen ist begrenzt da ich noch nie in der position war in der es wichtig gewesen wäre.
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>>557706781
danke für alles^^
irgendwie hab ich das gefühl, dass wir uns gegenseitig helfen können... ich dir, falls du mal was pc technisches brauchst, da ich prgrammierer bin und du mir in alle diesen energietechnischen fragen.. wenn du interesse hast, schreib an die mail hallo1126 an google (wegen den ganzen englischen hier etwas "verdeutscht", aber wird wohl kein problem darstellen die komplette adresse rauszufinden
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>>557690343
You could do it on a space station and send your waste into the sun.

You could do it on earth and simply drag your waste into space and send it into the sun.

You could just build a fucking LTFR like we started to in the 50s. and not worry about meltdowns either. ...but you can't weaponize it, so fuck that option then... unless you wanted a cheap, efficient, safe, and incorruptible energy source. ...who would want that?
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Thorium needs to be converted to U-233. So thorium reactors are actually U-233 reactors, producing U-232, which has a half-life of 160.000 years.

With fusion you are left with mostly helium isotopes, which are very useful. If I remember correctly one of these isotopes was helium 3, which makes a durable fuel.
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>>557706553
kek
How much thorium do you think there is in crust? How much hydrogen there is to create helium from it? Also, making helium-3 or tritium seems way more possible then thorium.
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>>557707292
One does not simply send waste to the sun. Read some orbital mechanics, or play some KSP and you'll understand things tend not to travel in straight lines in multi-body systems
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>>557707227
yo mal schaun... aber freut mich das ich helfen konnte.
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>>557708094
man muss sich ja ein informationsnetzwerk aufbauen, nicht? ;)
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>>557707732
Did I say send it in a straight line into the sun?

Or are you saying one cannot reach the fucking sun from the earths orbit?

wtf
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>>557708182
hast wahr. bin mal weg. ciao
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>>557707558
I think? I think??? wat? You're insinuating that the feasibility of thorium reactors depends on peoples opinions of how much fuel there is?

fuckpudding, go into your back yard, dig up a handful of dirt, and you have enough thorium to run that reactor for a week. it's fucking everywhere, we don't need to mine or till the entire earths crust over to get it.

This whole thread is a reflection of the stupidity of /b and I want everyone in it to die. You suck and I'm out. Ain't nobody got time fo dis.
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>>557688550
obviously you have control over meltdowns, otherwise a meltdown would be happening every other week. take your uneducated opinion elsewhere.
>>557693556
Chernobyl had no containment building; its reactor was not built inside a concrete dome built to withstand a 747 impact like literally every other nuclear plant on the planet. It also had several failsafes that were manually shut off for a test that the corrupt, ineffectual USSR government demanded, despite the aforementioned problems. Take your uneducated opinion elsewhere.
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>>557708185
Not without way to steer it. Else, it would need massive calculations, and there are unpredictable things that can happen on way there (unknown asteroids etc.). It is possible, but mostly with someone controlling it.
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>>557687894
>>fuck you, im from austria

Well G'day mate.
Put another shrimp on the barbie..

But seriously stop being a fag. Nuclear is fine. Its just expensive because we always want the nuclear plants that produce weapons grade materials.
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Seems like /b/ hasn't changed. I've been gone for a while, and /b/ is stil arguing over trival shit. Nuclear power is the future, but current plants are out of date, and new ones are politically suicidal because Fukishima. Give it a few more years, then politicians will forget it about the issue. The oil industry bankrolls solar/wind because they own the subcontractors needed to refine and process the material use in solar/wind production. You're battling with money and power, not facts and or idealistic bullshit. There are people in play trying to seize some political power; while others are trying to maintain that power.
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>>557709281

Who cares if we irradiate an unknown asteroid?
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>>557688141
This
The technology has improved so much and regulations are stopping plants from becoming more efficient, cleaner, and more fail safes.
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>>557707448
>be 1990
"Fusion is 20 years away derp"
>be 2014
"Fusion its totally coming any time soon guys!"

We can start building thorium reactors right now if we wanted to, the reactor can use its own waste several times over, and thorium is fucking plentiful.
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>>557708185
right now it costs $3500/kg to low earth orbit (LEO). it would cost orders of magnitude more to send it to another planet. It would cost even more to send it to the sun.
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>>557710353

How much to put it in geostationary orbit over Nigeria?

If that isnt possible I apologize in advance for my ignorance.
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>>557707732
>KSP
At least you're learning orbitial mechanics. Something fucking engineering professors have a hard time explaining to the students. Also nothing travels in a straight line in space, because a straight line in linear, and does not take into account multiple variables of space travel. Gravity you've already hinted to anon1.
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>>557687894
>4chan
>motivational meme
Don't ever come back here, even if I do agree with your poorly worded argument
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>>557706553
Thorium? You mean this bullshit? http://youtu.be/568iDYn8pjc
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>>557711232
what are the bad things about it?
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>>557711232
nah, that really is bullshit. thorium, if some of the kinks are worked out, is a pretty fucking cool energy source. that thorium car shit is just ridiculous.
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>>557711232
Yeah you wanna fight about it m8?
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>>557711232
>Thorium? You mean this bullshit? http://youtu.be/568iDYn8pjc

I dont think he was suggesting making a nuclear powered car. Thats insane.

Just a conventional power station.
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>>557706089
thank you you made my day better
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>>557697707
>solar roadways
not this bullshit again
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>>557687894
> uses fuck
> uses freaking
What are you fucking 12?
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I live in Seabrook NH. Pic related is the power plant, maybe a mile or two from my house. Had a bunch of uneducated retards protesting against this when it was built and when it was re-certified or some shit like that. Fuck this gay earth.
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They can make nuclear plants that use the waste from other nuclear plants as fuel. It is also meltdown proof, even if left unattended.

Welcome to the 21st century plebs.
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>>557712375
WTF? tell me one bad thing about it (op here, somehow my ID changed, wtf O.o)
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>>557712886
I also have eaten clams and fish from the water in that pic my entire life and I'm not dead, so it seems to be working well.
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>>557712886
Look at that marvel of beauty. I would go back and learn Mech E, and wokr at a plant.
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>>557712886

Yeah what annoys me about stuff like that is that you know for every protestor there are thousands of people who are perfectly fine with nuclear power but dont go and counter protest because they have a fucking job.
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>>557712946
http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Nuclear-Power/MIT-Develops-Meltdown-Proof-Nuclear-Waste-Eating-Reactor.html

and for those that can't read

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAFWeIp8JT0
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>>557713183
>panels dont orient toward the sun, so less efficient
>glass will erode under constant strain
>monstrously expensive
>LED's not visible at angles you'd see while driving
plus the fact that you'd just be better off building an actual solar plant out in the desert
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>>557713332
>and for those that can't read

Now you made me feel bad for choosing the second one.
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>>557713332
nice video, didnt catch this before
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>>557687894
>http://www.acehoffman.org/
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>>557713551
>plus the fact that you'd just be better off building an actual solar plant out in the desert

>because energy transportation over long distances works so good

but cant argue with the other ones
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>>557713551

What about the obvious one:

>a large vehicle slams his brakes on the segments will shear off and hopefully decapitate people.


They had a demonstration where they gingerly drove one of those lightweight mini tractors on to it.

But the forces upon a road when a large articulated truck slams on his hydraulic brakes are literally millions of times greater.
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>>557712946
>tfw politics and luddite masses means none will ever be built in the US
dear god i hate this country sometimes

>>557713810
that website makes me a very sad panda
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>>557687894
>complains about dangerous plants
>protests when they try to build safer ones.
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>>557687894
>Also THORIUM
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>>557713183
It comes down to one simple thing

why cover roads in solar panels when you could just put them on the roof of houses?

seriously. It'd be so much fucking easier.


There may not be as much surface area, but do you have any idea how long it'd actually take to cover every road(or house for that matter)?

Once that's done just start putting a roof over parking lots and put solar panels on that.
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>>557713810
>>http://www.acehoffman.org/

The 4th video made me laugh.
Ive seen the claim before.

What they have identified there as some kind of product of radiation from the chernobyl disaster is simply the heartwood and sapwood in the tree.

Its common fucking knowledge to anyone who has ever done woodworking.
How did they get as far as making a video about it before realizing that simple fact?
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>>557714967
Luddites don't have to know facts, they don't have to use logic, the only thing they have to do is convince their fellow luddites that (fill in the blank) is harmful and is poisoning the earth for our chillums!!!
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>>557709113
Implying this /b/ro has to feel the consequences of some uneducated nigger in the 50's.

You're a piece of shit. We might as well make niggers slaves again with that attitude.

Uneducated kid.
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>>557687894
>Freaking Dangerous
>Freaking
How's summer going?
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