CONTENDERS SUN 1 Made of: fire Size: 1.989 kilograms Temperature:

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>>555947161
>sun made of ice
>Temperature: -5,778° Kelvin
The absolute zero is exactly 0 Kelvin you fucking imbecile.

>>555947161
>-5778 kelvin
do you even physics?

>>555947505
>fire
no. no he doesn't.

>>555947161
>implying a ball of ice would be called a sun

>>555948439
>>555947981
>>555947505
>>555947396

You're all idiots, this question is entirely legitimate and saying you can't have a negative Kelvin value is like saying you can't have a black hole without gravity

>>555949140
Unless we get into the quantum realm, you cannot have negative temperature, and a star(or giant ice ball) is definitely on a reletavistic scale.

>>555950421
It's an ice star.

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>>555949140
0 Kelvin is absolute zero, nothing can be colder than that
>>555947161
Well op if you were to switch the numbers around and change the measurements to c or f so it would be like -250 4k mass opposed to 2000 500 mass I would say 2000 500 mass if they started a decent length apart because the hot sun would begin melting the cold one long before the two touch

>>555951636
Wouldn't the ice sun start freezing the fire sun as they approached?

>>555951976
>>555951636
If we go by this, and they have an equal temperature difference, then the 'fire' sun should win, because it is slightly larger (by 0.001kg?), which means that the temperature that it has represents more energy.

>-5778 kelvin
wat

>>555952224
I made a typo. Both suns are the same length (1.989 kilograms).

>>555947396
False. Absolute zero is approximately -273° Celsius, which is why I used Kelvin instead, to get around that limitation.

>>555952224
WAIT!!! Everyone!!! If I'm correct, then the temperatures should even out, but there will not be enough energy to liquify the ice, so it will still be ice, just ice at 0 degrees centigrade.
We have a winner!! ICE SUN!

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>>555951976
No because hot things can warm things farther away than cold things can cool from a distance, therefore the hot one would have a lead
>>555952224
Actually the larger one would represent less energy because of the heat/volume ratio. Did you know that humans have a greater heat/centimeter ratio than the sun does, according to vsauce? Also the hot sun wins in all balanced occosains if you look at what I said to the guy that I replied first in this post.

>>555953069
This is of course assuming that the fusion in the fire sun has stopped completely, thus rendering it a failure of a sun.
DOUBLE WIN FOR THE ICE SUN!

inb4 circular logic

>>555953069
>>555953340
>>555953341
Yes! Finally! I've been waiting for an actual scientific discussion.

Fire sun = 1
Ice sun = 7

>>555953340
I disagree that things heat from far away quicker. The whole transfer of energy is through radiation through space, where some energy is lost from the fire sun, and gained by the ice sun. This is a lossless proccess. One other point is that while this proccess of energy transfer is occuring, the fire sun is also losing energy to space in all directions.
Just so you know, space is something like 30 kelvin, so the ice sun has another advantage.

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The fuck is negative Kelvin?
If we're using nigger science then let's assume negative Kelvin exists. Ice has a higher heat capacity than air and thus would have more negative kilojoules in heat than the ball of fire with almost the same weight, so you'll end up with a ball of liquid hydrogen and ice at less than 0 Kelvin. But since this is nigger science, the only conclusion I can draw is that I will rob your bike. Case closed.

1000 marines

>>555947161
>Temperature: -5,778° Kelvin
lmfao
go back to grade seven science class..
LOL op is always such a stupid faggot. fuck 4chan

>>555953887
We are assuming that the ice and fire sun are made of the same material, which puts them on a more even playing field and negates the difference in specific heat capacity. I agree that ice does have a higher specific heat capacity than air, but I don't know about pure hydrogen. I will go and find that.
Also, I don't know much about negative kelvin, but I heard once that it is possible in some way according to quantum mechanics.

>>555953887
>Ice has a higher heat capacity than air and thus would have more negative kilojoules in heat than the ball of fire with almost the same weight, so you'll end up with a ball of liquid hydrogen and ice at less than 0 Kelvin.
>you'll end up with a ball of liquid hydrogen and ice at less than 0 Kelvin.
>ball of ice at less than 0 Kelvin
>ICE SUN

For the purposes of this experiment, any result over 0° Kelvin will be considered a victory for the fire sun, and vice versa.

it will be a giant comet that evaporates as it aproaches

>>555954302
They're not made of the same material. One is made of fire (fire sun) and the other is made of ice (ice sun).

>>555954540
sun isn't made of fire

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>>555947161
MFW I see OP's ice star.

>>555954610
...then how does it burn?

The specific heat capacity of hydrogen is very high, at 14.32 according to the attached article. If my knowledge of thermal physics holds up, this means that it will take more energy to cool the fire sun than it will take to melt the ice one. This may be a win for the fire sun. Any further points?
http://catalog.conveyorspneumatic.com/Asset/FLS%20Specific%20Heat%20Capacities%20of%20Gases.pdf

>>555954679
fusion of hydrogen. super heated gas is plasma. not fire

are these threads just here to troll ragey science fags?

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>>555953848
I guess when you add varibles like spaces temperature you're right. Congrats m8 you win the open experiment side. Mean while, on the perfect scenario side where no outside forces affect either sun, as said before the heat radiaton of the hot sun would overpower the one of the cold one IF fusion is taking place to keep the sun at a constant temperature. But op was not specific in his question for some of the things I mentioned

>>555955040
Just wondering, but is /sci/ exactly like this? I've never been there.

>>555954947
Right, I just googled too. My mistake. Fire sun probably wins.

>>555955194
don't go to /sci/
it's filled with tweens pretending to be prodigies because they have nothing better to do in life.

>>555955412
they've all seen the black science man, then they think everyone else thinks that the universe to be like it is, but it do.

>>555947161
>>555952354
i could handle the negative Kelvin temperature, but i raged at 1.989 kilograms being a measure of length. 10/10 OP

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Now, back to the real problem at hand.

One does not simply negative kelvin.
I suggest changing this thread into a common science misconceptions thread; Or should we start a new one?

Assuming there can be -5778K could exist, they would both be cancelled out, for all intensive purposes they are the same since the difference is only 0.001 or 1mg

>>555955667
dont continue this. you won't teach anyone anything

TECHNICALLY YOU CAN GO BELOW ABSOLUTE ZERO

http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-gas-goes-below-absolute-zero-1.12146

>>555955871

I KNEW IT!

>>555955871
technically one can do literally anything

>-5,778° Kelvin
oh jesus
i'l better divide all this shit by zer-

>>555956282
But technically one can only do anything if they are thinking figuratively, not literally.

Ask the what if xkcd guy

>>555947161
The fire one will melt the ice ones

>>555956570
wow you smart

>>555956545
OMG why didn't I think of that before. Maybe it'll make his outcoming book!
>Nerdmode activate

>>555955846
It is "intents and purposes" not intensive

>>555956784
potato potato's