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>>550573484 The whole atheist movement is a joke just as feminism is. Neither parties are being oppressed or do anything constructive. I was an atheist when you generally didn't just throw it around because people judged you. Now all these fedora wearing faggots wear it like its a badge of honor and somehow makes them better.
Just another simple minded cause for simple minded people.
>>550574141 I agree with everything you say but... > I was an atheist when you generally didn't just throw it around because people judged you. >I was an atheist when >was >when Are you seriously fucking implying that you changed your religious beliefs because of a community problem?
>>550574762 >>550574956 >religion is any shared belief >believing that english is spoken in america is a religion >believing that humans exist on earth is a religion >believing that christianity is a religion, is a religion christians, everyone.
>>550574525 >I lack the belief that there is no God >I lack the belief that man in his limited intellect is the measure of all things >I lack the belief that despite it being a statistical impossibility, the universe, and all life in it came into being without an initial cause despite the fact that nothing has ever been observed to happen without cause.
>>550574654 I still don't believe nor do I tell anyone they are wrong because their beliefs have nothing to do with me and don't fucking matter. The irony is people like Dawkins annoy the fuck out of me because he is being just as dogmatic as religion is. Attacking someones views with neither party can prove or disprove their point is fucking moronic.
>>550575023 A critique of Geertz's model by Talal Asad categorized religion as "an anthropological category." Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that are intended to explain the meaning of life and/or to explain the origin of life or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle. According to some estimates, there are roughly 4,200 religions in the world Atheism is an augment for spirituality, makes it a religion, unfortunately, you are so stupid, I have to type in a sixth grade reading level, so you can understand
>>550575182 Ha no shit. I have yet to see a attractive femnazi. Feminist are mostly ok , but "some" american feminist are just ugly cunts that are mad at the world because nobody wants them. >Its everyone else his fault that i will die alone , not my own.
>>550575327 /b/ home of the edgy 13 yo virgins it's not my fault you are too stupid to figure shit out on your own, I didn't know I would have to write a bible for you want to be atheist, for you to begin to understand what a religion is.
>>550575875 Yes is does, actually Canada, the US, Europe,Mexico, fuck pretty much any UN country defines Atheism as a religion. You fucking retarded mother fuckers. Sorry, the state says it's a religion, it's a fucking religion.
>also you fags need to stop googling and using the wiki >dur hur I googled >dur hur Found wiki! >A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.>
>>550576068 Nope, I was using bb's I took out the fucking nukes,State defines atheism as religion, end of story, it's a religion. I win, you go back to being fat loser virgins from hell, don't sit on your fedora
Assholes have ruined atheism. Now atheism is some autistic movement of bitching constantly about shit that they actually seek out rather than are oppressed by. This is no different than pro life conservative Christians, its all become horse shit and driven the good people out of that identity making atheism a shamed shithole non believers get lumped into.
Fuck you angry atheists, I hate you every bit as much as christian activists.
>>550576258 Well, in all honesty, Spider-Man DOES exist for the very reasons you mentioned. That doesn't mean he's REAL as in a man-spider. Jesus and God are the same to me. Should be obvious to everyone else too, but it isn't...
Lack of belief is when you hold no opinion. Disbelief is when you hold the opinion something is not true.
Disbelief can be structured into an ideology, whereas lack of belief cannot. For instance, Christians have a lack of belief in space aliens because their bible doesn't have anything to say about it. However, devout Muslims will tell you that there is no such thing as aliens -- the reason is that there is no mention of them in the Koran, and the Koran contains all possible knowledge. Christians lack belief, Muslims have disbelief.
Atheism can turn from lack of belief to flat-out disbelief. It is arrogant and stupid to say that all atheists "lack belief", because some are rather convinced that a god of any kind is impossible, which turns it into a form of ideology, containing belief sets.
>>550576630 Thanx for the info. Religion is so confusing. It's like a story being told for generations and each generation adds their little bit of bullshit to the story and after thousands of years the story has evolved into something that has become pure fiction.
>>550577102 >jesus and god are the same as spiderman Yes, they're characters in a story book. Spiderman is a super hero, and god blows up cities and drowns the planet when he gets upset. But neither of them exist. Calling them real is like calling Santa Claus real. They're fictional.
>>550577112 Atheism+ is atheism and feminism in one, not plain old atheism. Fedora atheism is generally gnostic, militant atheists. Atheism itself is not an assertion that there is no god, nor is there any philosophy or beliefs that go along with it. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in a god.
>>550573484 No. Feminism today is a forum for women to externalize each and every problem they have and blame it on men. This has real effects on human interactions and even on politics, institutions, workplacves etc. (A)theism is pointless.
>>550577523 You think you're fucking funny, you perplexed shit stain? I know what you are, you dumb faget. A big, fat, hot pocket eating neckbeard. You’re probably masturbating into your fedora right now, you fucking bitch. You think I’m a newfag? Please, I was here when Shrek happened. What about you, you fat dildo? No, I didn’t think so. You’re what? 11 years old? Fucking faget, go back to Neopets, or even better, your mother’s womb, that is if you had a mother, you dick biscuit. You think you can go around, acting like you own the motherfucking internet, you dumb ass rash? Newsflash: You can’t! I’m honestly flabbergasted right now, you sick little boat masturbator. I can tell you were fucked in the ass as a child, you shitty weeaboo shit egg. Don’t bother replying, I’ve already taken your IP address and forwarded it to the authorities. And that’s only a scare, you fucking creep. I know they won’t arrest you. I’m gonna get you myself. In the middle of the night when you think you’re alone, I’m gonna crash through your window and kick your ugly ass. I’m trained in French kickboxing, Muay Lao boxing and kendo, so don’t bother fighting back, you major noodle fucker. I’m gonna stir fry your eyeballs while fucking your faget ass. I will cut off your eyebrows and glue them to your ballsack. I will cut out your kneecaps and use them as elbow protectors when I’m roller-skating. You will beg for mercy like the little soap cunt you are, but I will just laugh at your dumbass stupidity. I will take your pets with me, but burn down the rest of your house. You will die like the flaming faget you are (literally). You should have just stuck to lurking, you bitchass autistic furry fucking newfag. Now get out of my fucking sight, kiddo.
that is a fucking retarded comparison OP. first off, atheism is something that benefits both men and women, as opposed to feminism.
secondly, more importantly, the active side of atheism is concerned with giving people more rights. we're talking things like unrestricted science education, more abortion rights, more stem cell research, being able to buy booze sunday mornings. all these things that are restricted on a purely religious basis. feminism, as it is practiced today, is about restricting rights for males. its not about giving women rights- women already have all the rights men do. pay gap? glass ceiling? all that...doesnt exist anymore. second wave feminism solved those issues, and with that the need for feminism ended. meanwhile the need for atheism still exists
"a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects" Mirriam Webster" - Dictionary Dot Com
"a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" -Mirriam Webster
"A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion." -Dictionary dot com
"A pursuit or interest followed with great devotion" -Oxford Dictionaries
"Getting Religion: to become religious, especially suddenly and in a way that you claim makes you a morally better person" -macmillan dictionary Kinda sounds like atheists I've known. "I want to save you from your ignorance"
I'm just posting what I've read. I guess I just have to take everyone's word for it, despite the fact that they could just be angry with being considered religious.
>>550576719 Really, I thought it was because I'm a backstabbing manipulative lying sack of shit, that fucks my friends wives, and jumps state to state, makes new friends and starts the process over. Pretty sure that's why only my little group of friends right now likes me, I moved far enough away, and don't have a real social networking account
>>550577632 Feminism strives for women to be up to par with men, not being over men. You are thinking of the belief of feminazi(sm) as it is perpetuated through the internet and through neckbeards like yourself.
>>550577197 I mean non belief. Non belief=/=disbelief(i.e. Someone saying there certainly is no god) Atheism has already been warped by the P.C. crowds and militant atheists, but not all atheists are like them
>>550576329 Yes, but it's redundant to have to say you're an "agnostic atheist."
>>550573484 It is, in a sense. First, though, you have to separate feminism from the Tumblr SJW type that we love to hate. The atheism movement is similar to traditional feminism and civil rights movements.
>>550577372 Ok can't resist this bait. Lacking a belief in something is not the same as asserting that something definitely doesn't exist. Anti theism is the general belief that theism is harmful. How do you faggots even use a computer? If you are older than 15 and still believe in god please kill yourself rather than further polluting the gene pool
>>550577695 Holy shit, I can't believe I have to dumb this down...here goes.
Everything that you bring into existance is real. Spiderman is real because he exist. He's in books and movies, you see. There is no such thing as a man-spider. It's not possibe (at least not yet). Unicorns, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy they all exist, but they are not real. They are fictional. Try to not think so 2D.
>>550577695 Imaginary things exist in a sense. If I asked you who Mickey Mouse was you would be able to tell me. He exists in print and media but was never a real, in the flesh mouse. It's all semantics and depends on how literal you want to get.
>god creates universe >creates planet for us How fucking egotistical, this story is clearly man made. >gives us free will >will damn all non-believers >why give free will in the first place You'd have to be a fucking moron to believe this is intelligent design.
>>550577883 What I mean is... a Gabbbywacker doesn't exist. You can't find one anywhere, it's totally made up. It only exist in my mind and I'm the only one who knows what it looks like or functions as. However, once I draw one it now exist. It's still not real though, it's just a fictional object (or person). You understand?
>>550576258 >where did the universe come from? >what is history and how do we know anything older than one generation ago? >what is archaeology? >what are Roman records (and who is King Herod)? >where does the human sense of conscience come from? >what is consciousness and from what does it arise? Is it possible for a completely deterministic machine to be conscious? >what is the point of life? >what, if anything, is death like? >what is the value of human life? >why have compassion for anyone else? >why do humans even ask these questions? Aren't we just deterministic machines?
>>550578513 I guess. Just seems like some semantics to me, but I can understand the difference between a conceptual existence (a fictional character everyone knows) and a physical existence (a dog is real).
>>550578307 Sorry but you have gnostic and agnostic completely confused with other terms. Anti theism still does not imply a definitive knowledge that god does not exist. Only gnostic and agnostic refer to whether or not we know for sure, whether about god or blue unicorn monkeys circling Venus. Being atheist orr anti theist does not indicate one,'s level of certainty of gods existence. Sorry you didn't understand your own post
>>550577793 read what i wrote cockmunch. women are on par with men. this was second wave feminism. it is done, their goals are achieved and it passed into history. what we have now is third wave feminism which is whining cunts with swollen victim complexes trying to tear down the "patriarchy"
>>550578178 when you start having actual sex, your opinion might change
>>550578427 >implying civil rights cannot still be active >implying feminism cannot be underneath the umbrella of civil rights e.g. gay rights >implying what you think of feminism matter >implying you're not a complete retard >mfw I couldn't even resist making ad homenim attacks >mfw no face
>>550578923 >your moms asshole >irrelevant >google >google. >evolution >evolution, AI has made leaps so probably. >life is what you make it >death cannot be compared, no more so than life. >Nothing >Reasons >Curiosity, no
Don't know or care who the one on left is, so I'll just assume it's some feminist. As for TAA he became an e-begging sack of shit years ago and lost all right to any respect.
Youtube atheism is long dead I'm afraid. It's glory days where around 2007/8 when it was rampant and people where at each others throats. Then assholes like Thunderf00t (who has the social skills of a bucket of donkey cum) tried to make an elitist little group and cut everyone else out single-handedly killing the fucking thing in the process.
That meant the only atheists people really knew about were now the "big name" atheists on Youtube. The ones organizing fucking conferences that no one gives a fuck about and e-begging so they can "continue to make videos". How the fuck does that even work? What's so expensive about sitting in front of a camera and talking? I see people doing it on YT all the fucking time, but the funny thing is they're not begging for money.
When it strayed off topic into feminism and TF tried to make his little special gang and cut the rest out it died. I would seriously fucking take the Brett Keane days back any day, even if he is a scamming lying piece of shit, it was at least funny in those days.
I guess I'm considered an atheist but I prefer just to be called non-religious because of the reputation that people have associated with atheists. Religion is cool for some people but it's not for me.
>>550580049 And it is true that antitheists trend towards gnostic. I was just pointing out they likely aren't all gnostic. I consider myself agnostic onyly in the sense that we can't truly disprove something's existence. Right now I can't believe I encountered civility on /b/
>>550578001 Right, Fanatical or zealous behavior is what breeds those. If life teaches us anything, its that everything is to be done in moderation. Whenever too much of something is experienced or focused on, it becomes a bad thing.
Keep both your philosophical and your physical interests diverse or that is what you become.
>>550578989 >everyone in the world is an american >everyone in the world interacts with english-speaking Americans >implying you didn't miss the point anyway and are hyper-focusing on a moot point you christians really are stupid
>if I keep juggling with semantics they'll forget my faith is completely fucking retarded
>>550575391 >A religion is an organized collection of beliefs
Nope, more like:
>A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence. >to an order of existence. >to an order of existence. >to an order of existence.
Do you understand now? You actually proved yourself wrong.
They're similar in that the people behind them are frequently attacked, but the positions themselves rarely are. They're both strong sources of moral indignation, but feminism is notably stronger there. Anti-feminism is probably a better candidate for "feminism for men" if that's what you're comparing.
>>550577002 Atheists have been this way since before you were born. Marx called them "children, assuring everyone who is ready to listen to them that they are not afraid of the bogy man." It hasn't gotten worse; you've just been exposed to a lot of especially bad, cherry-picked examples.
Short version when he clustered people like dprjones, TAA, Zomgitscriss, Happiecabbie et al into a kind of breakaway group to try and gain all the community focus. He essentially shut all other atheists out leading to internal fighting, that coupled with the fact he's a smug arrogant cunt didn't help matters.
In my honest opinion he has done more damage to atheism on YT than every other user combined. The guys a twat.
>>550581467 That is sort of what I thought agnostics were, people who realize that when we are talking about a FUCKING GOD, really all forms of logical deduction go out the window. There could be a god and there could also not be a god. I will never know unless said God proves their existence, in which case it will likely be done in a way that is without a doubt and then there will exist the scientific proof of such a being.
>>550577002 There's atheism and militant atheism. There's the guy who has a live and let live policy and he guy who picks a fight when you say merry christmas.
I'm pretty sure TJ wants to help the atheist movement but he just makes us look bad. Unfortunately, we need guys like him to sink down to Ken Ham's level in order to have crazies battling other crazies.
>>550579201 speak for yourself, bud. I know what sex is like. Little 5 year olds like you, with no self control and the mental capacity of every other breeding drone out there, won't change my opinion of it. fucking pleb
>>550581805 I will not live and let live if religions are harmful to society, just like I wouldn't for any other thing. When Christians or Muslims, or any religion, affect government policy, restrict human rights, et cetera, I won't say, ' Oh, it's okay because they are doing this because of their religious beliefs'
I do agree about the christmas thing. There are some cunts who would get mad if you said 'Merry Christmas' to them, and that is uncalled for
You do know that simply not believing in any god makes you an atheist don't you? It's just that a few neck bearded faggots like to boast about it because they'll do anything to try and make themselves seem intellectual without actually doing anything academic.
Most of the UK is atheist or agnostic now and most who browse 4chan will be as well, we just choose not to be tossers and cause arguments over such a small thing.
>>550582584 I mean, look, christianity is the only religion whose charter revolves around the idea of imperfection and the need to be better. say what you want about the idiot fundamentalist, but at least the dogma recognizes that life and people are shit and that only "being near god" or whatever will make "Us" better.
I've had it up to here with /b/ matter of fact the whole board period. You guys ruin people lives, are fucking racist to the extreme, betas, fucking trap lovers, circlejerking, pedos and most of all assholes. I can't believe I spent 3 years on this board, just watching you faggot ass losers being pathetic, little maggots behind a keyboard typing edgy shit up. It's people like you that gives the internet a bad reputation and perspective. Why don't you all just go die, fucking end your life you faggot ass loser. DIE
>>550573484 Pls >feminism Believes in equality of sexes. Notices deficits towards women, and works to alleviate gender disparities >feminismeme Whines on tumblr about the horrors of rape while living a sheltered, safe life in a middle class family at a dominantly white suburb. Declares herself bisexual in order to relate to the LGBT community. Believes in thin privilege. Can list all 56 genders. >atheism Doesn't believe in God. Has many good friends who happen to be Christian. Does not let religion interfere with personal life. Respects Christianity. May or may not attend church >atheismeme Whines on reddit about how his family makes him go to church. Gets offended by the mention of God in casual conversation. Refuses to recite the pledge of allegiance. Intensely focused on debating any theist he knows. Neil Degrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan are his heroes. Wears a fedora as a fashion icon.
>>550582970 Pretty much this. I lived in France as well from birth until 3 years ago. I am 31, old enough (arguably and old fart by your pre-teen standards), and although atheists did not argue with Christians/believers there, the Christians also usually kept to themselves and hardly pushed their shit beliefs down your throat. It seems Americans have a rather large ego..
>>550583365 Your parents should not be able to force you to go to church. I hated going to church as a child. You are not obligated to recite the pledge of allegiance, and since it has 'god' in it, it implicates the US as a christian nation. The US is not a christian nation, in fact it was founded secular, not promoting any religion at all. Because of this, many atheists, or even people who recognize the need of a wall of separation between church and state, do not want to recite the pledge
>>550583415 fuck you why the hell would you think that was pasta?
atheism among men isn't anywhere near as unreasonable and childish and attention seeking as feminism is among women
everybody has their religious beliefs and every group has those loud obnoxious few people that give everyone an bad name why can't you all just accept it and move on without shitting all over everyones religious beliefs?
>>550583135 my momma thinks christianity will make us better, but she doesn't force it down people's throats like a nazi. If she doesn't bother people about it, why are some people incapable of tolerating her choice to believe? If you didn't you'd just be another bigot.
>>550583886 You are using so many strawmen. I never said I believe there is no god. I am an agnostic atheist, which means I do not believe in a god, but I also do not believe there COULD NOT be a god. In other words, I'm not certain there is no god
>>550584805 >pledge of allegiance It's such an insignificant matter throwing a fit about it makes you look like a butthurt euphorian. Any German would agree that such a thing has no place in schools. However, the degree of conformity required is so little that it makes any resistors look like edgy faggots. It's the equivalent of feminismemers getting pissed off people use gender and sex interchangeably
>no child should be forced to go to church Just like no child should be forced to go shopping with mom, right?
For God's sake it's cheaper than getting a fucking babysitter each Sunday, the child is introduced to friends and potential relationships, and he/she might even learn a thing or two about our culture.
>>550585792 >>550585412 See this, I'm talking about teenage atheists. The ones you said were on reddit complaining
>>550585792 I don't think the government should be endorsing religion. Granted, it's not a very big deal, but I see why some would not stand and recite the pledge, because of that and because they don't have to.
>>550585085 I wish my parents made me go to church when I was a teenager. Those youth groups have some hot Christian bitches, and they're surprisingly dtf once you pronounce your undying love for Jesus and plans to marry them. Though not Mormons, of course.
>>550585792 >For God's sake it's cheaper than getting a fucking babysitter each Sunday, the child is introduced to friends and potential relationships, and he/she might even learn a thing or two about our culture.
It also indoctrinates him/her and destroys his/her critical thinking ability.
>>550586278 >this is what atheismemers actually believe It's the parents' responsibility to keep the kid's head out of his ass, not church or school. Like father like son, and if the former is a dumb shot then the latter will be as well.
>>550586015 I'm not religious, or in a particularly religious family, except for my grandparents that are long dead. I wasn't forced to go as a teenager, but I did go sometimes as a child.
I respect other people's opinions, I just don't agree with them It's people like this faggot >>550585862 Who are retarded, that annoy me. Twisting definitions, making shit up, then going into damge control
>>550586029 conjecture? it's accepted as fact. to wit: the evolution/id thing plus the text book thing, christianity as a tool for the republican party, the whole calvinist/capatalism/america thing, a tool for racism, etc, etc. i mean, really, christianity = cancer should not strike you as conjecture. if you're going to try to sound intelligent, keep up with the accepted dialogue. you know, and don't use your belief to obscure yourself from historical fact. it makes you sound sophomoric, trite and whiny.
>>550587438 >no child should be forced to go to church >For God's sake it's cheaper than getting a fucking babysitter each Sunday, the child is introduced to friends and potential relationships, and he/she might even learn a thing or two about our culture.
Oh okay. Then shut the fuck up, because that is exactly what we are talking about.
>>550579586 >flippant responses Alrighty. Perhaps you should revisit these questions when you've grown up some more. Or maybe when you get a little closer to death-- we'll see how sarcastic you feel when you get diagnosed with pancreatic cancer or something.
>>550587941 I thought the subject was atheism, if you want to have an argument about you should also hear the moderate point of view, otherwise you're just generalizing and making the same mistakes as militant atheists who say that every religious person is dumb as fuck.
>>550586792 >Twisting definitions, making shit up, then going into damage control.
exactly what you're doing, bud. You're really too blind to see it. It's almost funny how serious you sound right now. "It's not coool bro, it's pissing me off. This guy is being reasonable, but it conflicts with my knee jerk ideology based on emotions and being too retarded to understand english"
I don't care, but you do. This is the difference between us.
>>550588623 i mean, really, christianity = cancer should not strike you as conjecture. if you're going to try to sound intelligent, keep up with the accepted dialogue. you know, and don't use your belief to obscure yourself from historical fact.
Dude what you said was fucking stupid. How am I gonna argue against a bigot? Are all those stupid christian niggers and spics cancerous to you? haha Go suck a cock, pussy. You sound like a whiny bitch. Need I remind you as to where we are?
>>550589051 hey man, all you did was talk shit to me, when i was just innocently posting my opinion. you can't accuse some one of something you just did 5 minutes ago, you hypocrite. i mean, really, who cares if you believe in god or not. geesh, join the 21st century, will ya?
>>550573484 I think being a loud annoying atheist is the same as being a loud annoying feminist, if that's what you mean. Having no belief in a god and believing in feminist theory however aren't really analogous though.
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