WWE likes to brag that it's WHC is most prestigious championship in the world, but they sometimes put the IWGP, NWA, WCW, and ECW world championships in the same position as the WWEWHC. So what championship is closest to being THE World Championship. If there isn't what championship share the level of prestige as WWE or is there a championship that is even more prestigious than WWE's.
For the Indie promotions like RoH and TNA they have their own world championships, but is it worth winning it? Does the NWA, the championship that most promotions championships branched out from, still have prestige? Is the NXT championship better than the other Indie championships?
I wanted /asp/ and /wwe/'s thoughts on this. This has always creeped up in my mind.
I can agree with ECW's championship and NWA's irrelevance. But calling the IWGP title a regional belt is the same as calling the WWE championship a regional belt. People from all over the world try to win this championship. In my book that's what makes it a world championship. As for ECW, I only remember that mostly Americans won that championship so I agree it can only be recognized as a regional championship, but then what would you recognize the second ECW belt?
>99% of the time the belt is defended in America and Canada against mostly Americans and only in WWE shows against other WWE workers
Should just rename it to WWE North American championship. IWGP has more prestige.
the WWEWHC title is currently the one and only World Heavyweight Championship, the guy who has it is usually the top guy in the biz.
1) WWE money + history + prestige
2) WCW same as above (history is a bit sketchy money was more) but they're extinct, you would still rather be a WCW champion than any of the others on the list
3) IWGP = NWA = CMLL has the history but none of the money and prestige
4) ECW = TNA = AAA = ROH = AWA World champions in their minds only.
World Championships are determined by the quality of the promotion not the talent of the performers
The Apter mags (PWI, The Wrestler) had three recognized World Champions, WWF, NWA/WCW and AWA. When the AWA went under they didn't recognize another promotions title on that level for a while. I remember Heyman saying he wanted the world title status as those publications still had some weight in the pre-internet world, which the eventually got.
>you would still rather be a WCW champion than any of the others on the list
I would rather hold the IWGP without a second thought.
>World Championships are determined by the quality of the promotion not the talent of the performers
top kek gtfo
>WWE Championship - pre unification, pre coexistence with World Heavyweight Championship
>IWGP Heavyweight Championship - probably the most prestigious world title outside of the WWE today
>NWA World Heavyweight Championship - not as prestigious anymore, but it's past lineage alone carries itself
>WCW World Heavyweight Championship
>WWE Championship/World Heavyweight Championship - the two titles coexisting together in the same promotion cheapened both of them
>ROH World Championship
>ECW World Heavyweight Championship -
>The big Mexican and other Japanese promotion's world titles probably belong here
>Filler world titles from smaller indie promotions like CZW, PWG, DragonGate USA
Not a world championship tier
>TNA World Championship
What the fuck is even going on with the current WWE world title? Didn't they completely shit on the lineage of their world title by claiming it's a completely new lineage since the unification? That would bump it's prestige down a few pegs under the NWA and IWGP.
WWE is by far the world's biggest pro wrestling promotion and workers from everywhere in the world dream of performing for it and leaving their mark in it, if any title deserves the "World" bit in front of it it's theirs, especially now that it's absorbed the Big Gold Belt again.
No matter what retardation the ironically-named Creative is up to, people know better. It's the same title, same history and whether you like WWE or not it's the biggest title in the business.
>>NWA World Heavyweight Championship - not as prestigious anymore, but it's past lineage alone carries itself
You should keep in mind that both the WWE/WCW Titles (long ago combined) and the IWGP titles are all splits offs from the NWA World Title. The current NWA title that gets carted around the indies and NJPW has less claim to that heritage due to the time it spent dormant, people only pay attention to it due to the name and using the classic design. The WWE World Heavyweight Championship has the best claim to being the true successor to the old NWA belt going back to the original unification of world rasslin.
The funny thing is that the unification was a really minor one, just combining it with HHH's fake WCW Title that barely has 10 years of heritage. And they never said to be restarting anything when they combined it with the WCW title, which WAS a big deal
WWE bought WCW, took its belt, fused it into their own then brought it back out and then fused them again. You might not like it, but WWE's big gold belt is the direct followup to WCW's and thus carries its legacy.
I remember them saying things on air that Orton was the first ever WWE World Heavyweight Champion when he unified the two belts. It seemed like they were going for the same thing they did with the Divas title so that current divas can have claims like being the first ever Divas champion or being the longest running divas champion, since the old records are pretty much untouchable with current booking. But it looks like they completely dropped that idea when they realized how stupid it was.
First of all, neither ROH nor TNA are indie companys. An indy company is, for example, AAW.
As for the championships thing:
Prestige based on pro-wrestling quality:
Prestige of the championship itself:
Well no, because WWE is famously adverse to admitting that other wrestling companies exist and the less people were reminded about how good WCW was and how shitty the Invasion was booked, the better. Mind you, I don't like that this is what became of WCW's prize, but it's a fact of life that WWE's Big Gold Belt is the continuation of WCW's.
then you wake up with Okada's paycheck and kill yourself.
name one WCW champion other than Arquette and Jarrett who made less than 7 figures while working for Billionaire Ted and this was 15 years ago.
there's a reason NJPW lost all their top stars in a week.
Money isn't everything m8. IWGP has a massive amount of hipster cred attached to it. Okada is going to go down as one of the biggest Japanese wrestlers of all time. He's going to be loved and respected by Japanese wrestling fans and he'll be known as a legitimate legend. Ziggler, Swagger and The Miz will never be worshiped like that by the WWE fans. WCW guys like Big Show, Buff Bagwell, Booker T, Scott Steiner, none of them are revered by wrestling fans today. People want Big Show to fucking retire and Scott Steiner is just an elaborate meme that's more entertaining because of his unintentionally hilarious promos.
Has anyone done an angle where they brought back a dead championship and made the argument that this belt has a stronger legacy than the other top belt and there they believe it is the top belt and will start defending it or at least acting like they believe it is worth defending. Might not work now with the WWE World Heavyweight Championship but bringing back Big Gold for an angle as a "Bastard" Championship to meld back in after the angle was done seems like it could be a fun thing.
His commentary work knocks him down a few pegs. He sounds like so, I don't know, sterilized. Same thing with JBL. They're both former would champions and they're giving off this vibe like Michael Cole has made them his bitches.
Out of current belts, the most prestigious are probably ranked like
>1.IWGP Title (The IWGP IC Title would go here too if it counted)
biggest wrestling company besides WWE, and these belts have been booked great.
same as IWGP, Bork and Rollins both had long, based reigns (besides rollins' booking on TV.) but the tossing between Ramen and Sheamus has made it matter less, Reigns needs to put the belt over more.
Lethal is on a fucking roll since beating Briscoe, who had his long ass undefeated streak. This belt has looked important as fuck since Steen held it.
>4.NXT & Lucha Underground titles
Balor's reign has been based, not to mention he beat Owen's for it just after the Cena win. There's only been two LU champions and Muertes looked invincible at the end of Season 1.
>5. AAA Title
ADR has been ruined since coming back to WWE, I hear the belt is still vacant.
>6. TNA Title
TNA's not at it's worst, but it isn't particularly good right now, as far as I know. I doubt it's as prestigious now as when Angle, AJ or even Lashley had it.
>be WWE champion
>you're a celebrity all around the world
>make huge money
>be IWGP champion
>not even the people in your own country care about you
>outside of japan, only neckbeards know who you are
>make less money than a midcarder in WWE
why is this even a debate?
As I recall, WWC was in that list as well, at least for a while. I remember thinking "I have no idea who this Carlos Colón is but he must be a big deal if he's on the same level as Flair/Bockwinkel/Hogan."
> a world title
Still better than the WWE and MemeXT ones.
That being said, I still prefer this version of the TNA title.
Sure. But any wrestler who knowingly agrees to participate in something this underhanded would get a shit ton of heat and would probably be blacklisted by the WWE or any other promotion who has any sense of respect for Ric Flair and his accomplishments. Plus a massive influx of title changes would just cheapen the world title itself making his accomplishment pointless.