GOAT list

I fell into a festive coma last time this thread was up so here we go again.

The aim of the list is to ultimately be definitive and is predominantly formed by general consensus. I have shown on numerous occasions that I am more than happy for my personal opinion to be overridden by the mob except in circumstances where the mob hasn't got a fucking clue what they're on about. I have made a few additions and alterations from the previous list based on what I observed between me going AWOL and the old thread 404ing.

Enjoy...

So weit, so gut.

don't you shit talk my Sabu.

i'll fite u

>>865557
Switch best promoter to Vince McMahon

>>865557
oh god this fucking thread again. please, add more categories.

Jeff Hardy should get high flyer. Jushin Liger is too outraw wreseru.

>>869474
18+

>>869433

Unequivocally the best businessman. That goes without saying.

But consider what Vince was doing in the early-mid nineties. Generic big men and comedy acts galore. Susceptible to the whims of a "clique" - literal or otherwise. At the time, his competition was Bill Turner's charity sinkhole whose gimmicks and gross underbooking of legitimate talents were patronising their ever disillusioned fanbase. Between the two, it was a race to the bottom.

Paul Heyman saved wrestling. Without his freaky camera shots and "outsider" gimmick, there would be no nWo. Without his edgy storylines and hardcore action, there would be no attitude era. Most pertinently, had he not promoted his cruiserweight talents as legitimate wrestlers. the landscape of 2000s wrestling would have looked very different. If indeed, it existed at all in any meaningful way.

Heyman > McMahon

>>869438

If you find the original version of this thread in the archives, you will note that the list was considerably shorter.

By all means, give me some categories with relevant nominations and I will add them.

>>869477

>he watched dubya c dubya

Phs. Jeff had the best high flyer spots in wrestling. Did Liger even dive off a 20 foot ladder at wrestlemania?

>>869487
> only watches WWE

18+

And if diving off stuff makes you a better high-flyer you should vote for New Jack.

>>869487

Not him but

spot monkey =/= high-flyer

If you want;-

Spot Monkey - Jeff Hardy (Spike Dudley)

>>869494

Or indeed Shane McMahon.

Does anybody know which was higher between Shane - O - Mac KOTR and New Jack rekt Vic Grimes incident?

>>869433

New category

Businessman - Vince McMahon Jr.

>>869500
>>869494

>doesnt know sick nick

>>869576

Which bump are you on about? The Barbed Wire triple scaffold one with fatty?

Was it higher than Shane or Jack/Grimes?

Is there any way of actually verifying any of this?

>>869579

Disregard this.

Was thinking of JC Bailey.

Which Sick Nick spot are you on about?

>>869574
> Millionaire Who Should Be A Billionaire
> "best"

>>869590

Bank is the only scorecard in business.

McMahon is the only one left with any bank.

Ergo


Businessman - Vince McMahon Jr

>>869595
> attrition

I don't think you understand how success works

>>869608

My saying VkM is the best businessman of all time isn't an endorsement of his credentials as a human being.

Far from it. He's an unsavoury pile of shit and that's being generous. I have no respect for who is or what he does.

Nevertheless, economics (not my personal feelings on the man or whether his obtaining of wealth were ethical) are what determines who the best businessman is and the best businessman in wrestling history is unequivocally Vince McMahon jr.

Nominate a better wrestling businessman and I'll laugh at your reaching effort.

>>869624
Bischoff.

Also anybody who actually put on a product fans wanted to pay for instead of telling them what they wanted to increasingly-atrophying market.

Remember that, just after a year of Vince having a monopoly, the audience shrunk by 30%

>>869629

But who has that monopoly? The end-game of capitalism...

Bischoff wasn't a businessman. He was hired by Billionaire Ted to pump ideas into his black-hole. He didn't risk a single cent of his own.

Even though this is moot since I just explained how Bischoff isn't a businessman, he stole the edgy outside gimmick from ECW. And that was a fluke that lasted three years top.

Vince McMahon is still running shit and Bischoff... well... isn't?

As I said in my "Why Heyman was a better promoter than Vince was", if we're talking wrestling for wrestling's sake, Vince has overseen so many booking catastrophes and has diminished the overall fanbase so much that it doesn't even bear considering.

Yet despite his multitude of calamities, he is still the man with bank.

If that doesn't convince you of his prowess as a businessman then give me another nomination.

OP's a prick but at the same time, he's pretty damn smark.

Heel should be Vince McMahon
Theme should be Edge (metalingus)
Entrance should be Ric Flair (inb4 Buddy Rogers rip off)

>>869642
I'd just like to point out you're praising the business acumen of a man who once said:

>"I'd rather have a half-full arena cheering my guy than a full arena cheering their guy."

>>865557
> cruiserweight benoit/jericho/malenko
This is just getting silly now, remove cruiserweight altogether
Also jericho is nowhere near the technician of the other 2

>>865557
Also
> Shawn a better storyteller than Bret
Lol

You should nake a new category called 'match showmanship' if you are so dead set on having the boytoy listed

>>869934

Yet it's the same man who absorbed the willing territories and literally destroyed the unwilling ones (against his fathers wishes) before ultimately buying out his remaining competitors.

On paper, his acumen looks shit but it's the one that granted him a monopoly. Even though it was to the detriment of the industry as a whole.

McMahon is a horrible, horrible person for what he's done to the industry and it is shrinking by the week due to his sheer arrogance. He's probably going to be the man who kills the sport dead.

Nevertheless, he's the embodiment of the American Dream. He destroyed his competitors and made a pretty penny in doing so. So long as he has his, why should he give the slightest shit about what happens to the sport?

>>869935

Or maybe create a Cruiserweight technical division?

>>869936

Not sure if you read the preceding threads but as we couldn't put Bret as both technical and storyteller, boytoy was given storyteller and fair dues.

>>865557
This autism again

>>869942
> le autism meme
> mad his favourite isnt a GOAT
Wew lad

>>865557
Glad to see my suggestion of most well rounded went through!!

>>869949

I couldn't deny it.

He's one of the best in the realms of ring ability, storytelling, mic (serious), mic (funny), legit and dare I say, draw. Would have been in the running for theme if it wasn't ripped from The Patriot.

He isn't number one in any of those particular categories but he's in the top five of all of them.

Kurt Angle is a phenomenon in the sport and that's why I gave him space in the OP because he has earned every pixel of it.