/mag/ Martial arts general

Let's fix the sticky and make it /asp/mag/ original

Is there something better to represent styles of fighting?

Is there a paragraph or youtube channel to add or remove?


I've already posted a list of potentially interesting channels, here's a few:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FunkerTactical
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThePitOnlineDojo
https://www.youtube.com/user/Dinasaurs300

Should we really have that krav maga channel in the OP?

There's a judo/BJJ club having a newcomer course soon in my city, I'm considering checking it out (never done any martial art before).

What do you do in those gyms when you're not sparring/rolling? I lift 4 times a week and I don't want to do shitloads of cardio, stuff like 500 burpees and whatnot on my off days. I work a physical job and it's already tough enough to balance the lifting with that.
Basically how much conditioning are you required to do?

>>2997768
I think there isn't a "official" anon who starts these threads, so basically anybody can start the next one with whatever video channel list they want.

>>2997810

every instructor is different. Some classes spend 5 mins doing calisthenics to warm up, and in some classes the "Warm Up" last half that class and is the most brutal part.

But even if this class does lots of calisthenics, you should just stop lifting and do this instead. BJJ >> lifting meme

>>2997817
Well supposedly whoever starts the thread uses the pre-decided text

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I made it to sandan in the shorinkan lineage of shorin-ryu and kickboxed twice a week before halfway through undergrad when I couldn't travel to dojo between classes anymore. I'm in my last year of graduate school and thinking about re-enrolling in a martial art. A part of me feels right at home in karate, but I also think that I've been out of the martial arts for over 10 years and it'd be a pretty good time to start fresh as a novice in a different style.

I'll be 29, I do a 5x5 natural lifting strength regime 4 days a week, but I don't do much stretching or any cardio (except the chest-pounding from deadlifts). I'm not sure what town I'll be in or what schools will exist there, but I've got this bookish, nerdy mentality where I'm so interested as an outsider to all of these styles that I find the siren song of dilettantism hard to ignore.

Any other former or current karateka out there who found it easier or more beneficial to study a particular martial art? I guess the jits go without saying, but I feel like judo would be a great fit. I wish I could find a daito-ryu aiki-jujutsu place in the states or even just an aikido dojo where they spar and train with some resistance, but I might as well wish for eternal youth and a pony.

>>2997877
>an aikido dojo where they spar and train with some resistance
Tomiki Aikido is a possibility. There a few people who train it at my BJJ place, and I have to say their takedowns aren't bad. Especially their footwork is excellent, and this comes from someone who's been doing Judo for 7 years or so.

>>2997877
Doing shotokan I found trying judo so fun, but they're pretty much incompatible.
I've been learning varied shorter ranged karate styles by myself and since I've been doing a strange wing chun that's basically longer range boxing they're becoming clearer and clearer, while at first they seem complete opposites, the more I learned principles the less they went against each other.
Like some guy on youtube likes to say, climbing other mountains around yours lets you see it better

As for getting better, in terms of ranges it would go shotokan > other karate styles > wing chun > judo, so wing chun didn't help me but it helped the other karate styles, while the other karate styles did help
I'd like to learn some wrestling, I think it would glue everything together

>>2997877
>>2997933
There's this Kenji Ushiro guy who does kyokushin and aikido
https://youtu.be/I-7NZhH4fCw?t=46s

>>2997877
I'm always biased toward judo because breakfalls. You could also always try a different type of karate if you keep doing striking.

>>2997739
Guys. I need help. I travel a lot for work so I'm usually staying at hotels. This is often bad for my health because I'm forced to eat microwave dinner and stay inactive. Also, I live in Alaska, so six months out of the year, I can't go outside to take a walk or jog even if I wanted to. I really want to work on my cardio. Is there any sort of excersize I can do that would help my cardio but can be done without any special equipment and without too much space or without moving around too excessively? I've tried just jogging in place and jumping jacks but I'm a pretty heavy guy so even that makes too much noise and the other hotel guests complains. I was told that yoga or even slow katas of martial arts would help my cardio without making too much noise and was wondering if you guys knew more about this or some other alternative for me.

>>2997933
I'm aware of the shodokan (Tomiki) and heard that yoshinkan and tenshin styles also pressure test their techniques instead of encouraging uke to throw themselves into Sanic spin dashes. I'll be on the lookout when I'm back in my hometown, but I don't think there are any such aikido dojo within 7 hours round trip by car. The aikikai is fairly dominant.

>>2997939
Are they incompatible because of how they train? My training wasn't afraid to do trips and take downs, so I didn't suffer the problem of going to a karate organization that only drilled the 3 K's.

>>2997991
Memes aside, I am actually interested in Goju-ryu since I think I'd like to practice a Naha-te derived system.

Kyokushin is badass, but I'm not sure I could take it. I'm studying to be a veterinarian and expecting to put in 10+ hour work days where my brainpower is my livelihood. I'm a bit worried about investing in a martial art that is THAT spar heavy and getting one too many kicks in the head.

Yes, yes, training with aliveness, full-contact or go home, MMA decides what works and what's bullshido, etc. I just don't think I can make that work with my career and lifestyle.

>>2998021
Just repeat a kata with intent for 4 or 5 times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHUJAn4XhO8 the best one, it's all circular motions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kybxNOlnl20 the simplest and most tiring one, you're supposed to keep tension in most of your body, ready to receive a blow in most places, keep strong posture rooted to the ground and a low center of gravity, and maintain concentration. Also the breathing has you pull in air below the navel and eject it upwards.
Or you just do it normally to make it simpler

>>2998050
>Are they incompatible because of how they train?
No, it's because of the range, too much distance to fluidly pass to throws

>>2998050
>I'm a bit worried about investing in a martial art that is THAT spar heavy and getting one too many kicks in the head.
Tbh I'd be more worried about the general wear and tear on your body, as it'll influence your job and daily life far faster and more profoundly than possible accumulative brain damage.

>>2997877

Don't be so weeabo.

From all of the styles you listed, Judo and BJJ are the only one who are worth training.

>>2998269
>Jude and BJJ aren't weeb
>BJJ isn't jujutsu with ground focus, it's a unique style because Huezillians branded it.
>I train Canadian Muay Thai

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>>2998050
You should only consider real karate if you're OK with having fucked up hands. You will have a strong grip but no dexterity in your fingers

>>2998021
Bodyweight circuits are good. Pushups + jump squats + flutter kicks are something else with the upper body + legs + abs format.

Add in a kettle bell or a 16lb medicine ball and you can get a ridiculous workout.

>>2999365
does that count since there was a delay?
it wasn't really a fluid trow. it was a sit, then a sweep from the ground

>>2999593
count as what a score? yeah guy was award ippon

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>>2999750

>>2998269
I don't have anything against either. My main shorin-ryu instructor, currently 8th dan, is also a BJJ purple belt and 2nd dan judoka. When I visited him a couple of years ago while on vacation back home he strongly recommended based on what he knew about me from childhood and my kumite preferences to take up BJJ. It's pretty easy to find thanks to the popularity of MMA and something universally respected to the point I won't have some autist picking an argument with me just because I say I train it. I also hear that people train it in their sixties, so it might be a little bit easier on my body.

I just think aesthetically I prefer judo (at least before doing a trial run at both types of places) and think I'd like their dojo culture better. Some BJJ places, I'm told, can have bruh nonsense or a little too much Gracie dick riding.

>>2999227
Would it matter if I wear gloves/wraps, or do boxers and nak muay have the same problems regardless?

>>2999763
Is this the move Ryu uses on SF?

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>unexpectedly have to teach BJJ class a few weeks ago
>didn't prepare anything obviously
>ask what everyone wants to train
>young former wrestler says footsweeps
>spend almost an hour on nothing but de-ashi barai
>really thorough from the ground up
>this Friday
>see young guy de-ashi barai the living daylights out of one of his peers
>give him a massive grin and a double thumbs up

I've been teaching somewhat regularly for a while now, but to really see someone use something you taught them is unexpectedly awesome.

>>2997847
>>3000000
I think the OP text is fine for the most, hence anons always use it rather than coming with something new.

The only thing I would consider changing is the styles of fighting link. Do we really need them? I mean, yeah, UFC is like the most important MA laboratory and everything, but they include TKD and jet kun doo. Aren't those like meme arts?

Hi aspies,

I am a writer, and I need some assistance from guys who know the subject matter. I've been hired to ghost write some trash fantasy. One of the characters is an asian monk, shaolin like. However, the person paying me wants him to have bjj skills.

You guys probably know the characteristics of shaolin better than me; what would a shaolin themed BJJ game plan look like? What guards would he use? I was thinking that he would just windmill on the ground into leg attacks, but i dont know if that is a good fit. I take pride in the plausibility of my writing, and this is a real doozy. Any help, input, or views would be appreciated!

>>3001049
>Shaolin
>BJJ

Yeah, no.

Shaolin, according to the legend, exists because bandits were raiding the place, and these bald dudes required some way to defend themselves. So their entire game is about standing up (you don't want to be stomped by a horse or a mob of scared peasants), striking and improvising weapons on the fly. It was intended to be something applicable to the field and life threatening situations.

BJJ basically was born because some dude trained Japanese jiu jitsu, but wanted to train only the neat part, ground techniques, which usually have been neglected in most striking arts. This gave him an edge so BJJ evolved into a sport and the cage.

From a realistic view, is like trying to justify why a tiger would be vegetarian, or a caveman only employs rubber weapons.

Now, if you don't care about technicalities, then you can come with some philosophy mumbo jumbo about the value of life and equilibrium and how the universe will conspire to punish evil doers so there's no need to hurt them too much. And as for the technical aspect, watch jackie chan films. He have plenty of scenes when he twists and knots his opponents with their own clothes, which is the closer you will find to some kung fu guy doing grappling.

Although, to be fair, sanshou includes sweeps and leg grabs on their curriculum, but only as a way to block or pull out of balance the opponent, not as opener to ground work.

>>3001049
That guy is an autist
Anyway, this guy seems alright though I don't know shaolin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vjtGJ1jS9k
Shaolin exists because some pooinloo monk saw chinese monasteries were full of unhealthy people and decided to include a gymnastic curriculum inspired from his larping as a martial artist.
So since bjj guys like yoga you can fit that in there and pretend he's good at bjj because of his yoga and not because he went to a Gracie gym

>>3001049
Shuai Jiao standing work, Judo sacrifice throws to land on top/in guard. Throw in some Imanari rolls for more transitions to ground work.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXzp9SlgMx8 (Imanari roll)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rgm6eRENIs (Imanari highlights, warning: nasty leg lock injuries)

As for guard game: look at MMA type guards because these take strikes into account. Half guard with underhook or butterfly with double underhook for example. Rubber guard because flexibility shouldn't be an issue. Other than that: control/position dominant ground game, back takes, and weird but cool submissions from unorthodox positions.

That's what I'd do at least.

>>3001049
Its an interesting concept. Bruce Cordell wrote a d&d series that had a grappling monk. He ippon seoinagi'd a dude on to another dudes sword. Cheesy, but cool. May be a good reference.

A lot have people have responded with their view of what they think Shaolin is, but I disagree. According to Shahar's book on the shaolin temple, they were a staff school first and foremost. None of the open hand stuff hit until the 1700s. Even then, shaolin was really an mma establishment as far as that goes; they recorded and taught any styles they could find. All that to say, the marrow / bone changing stuff didnt come until later.

So, what is shaolin truly about?

1. Staffs
2. Buddhism
3. Discipline and conditioning

The staff...I dont know how that translates to grappling. Its a long range attack. Maybe leglocks, since youre so spread out? Pretty weak.

2. Buddhism
Shaolin wouldnt be shaolin without its chan influences. Accordingly, seated guard looks like a meditation pose. Maybe a character that only chokes people unconscious so as not to hurt them.

3. Conditioning
Iron body, flexibility. Rubber guard, and/or anything that looks like break dancing (imanari roll, flying scissors). Maybe flying subs as well.

Interesting concept.

>>3001116
>wanted to train only the neat part, ground techniques
dont get it twisted bruh, they didn't /want/ to only train the ground parts, its just that carlos and helio were abysmal at tachi-waza and only ever got any good at wrestling.
I know people like to meme that bjj is the most technical martial art, but that's only true if you take judo out of the equation. Throwing is much more technical than submitting, there's no question about that much.

a new submission can be done after a half dozen reps, a new throw requires hundreds of repetitions to pull off live

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In boxing, what are some ways I could practice my head movement and reflexes ?

Do I just get better at it eventually when I start sparring ?

>>3002475
tie a ball to a string and hang it from the ceiling at head height, push it so the ball is in motion, dip your head in and out of the way as it swings at you

get a tennis ball launcher, aim it at your face, you can figure out the rest

I saw a video once for judo techniques, it was really cool. They'd show a technique being done in the usual demonstration fashion, from multiple angles with a cooperative partner, and then they'd show the same move being done in competitions, against trained resisting opponents.
It let you see the technique in it's pure form, as well as in a practical applied form. It also meant you got to see that these techniques have practical applications at all.
Does anyone have videos like that for other traditional styles? I see a lot of technique videos for martial arts that contain no practical stuff, or fight videos of all practical stuff where I can't make out any techniques and it just comes across as sloppy kickboxing.

>>2997739
>WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A MARTIAL ARTS GYM:

be unbiased and objective to see anything in the first place
- the coaches Are knowledgeable
- the coaches are able to evaluate students objectively
- the coaches can use their knowledge to solve problems and answer questions logically
- the physical conditioning methods follow scientifically valid facts
- in turn, people get better, people have fun, because of the fact that that's what makes a good gym, not despite the fact.

>>3002777
I don't know why the fitness level of coaches matter. People become coaches because they can't be assed to stay in shape themselves anymore and just want to show people how to do things

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>>3001049
Look into Shou Jiao. It's probably the closest to what you're looking for. Kind of like Chinese catch wrestling.

There's also Chin Na, which is mainly about standing joint locks similar to Aikido. Might be useful to add in some flavor. I've heard of "Shaolin Chin Na'", but I don't know if it's an actual Shaolin thing or not.

>>3001049
Shou Jiao has ground work and subs, at least according to the book I have on it. Most modern competitions I've seen are throws only though.

>>3002749
I second this. Judo is awesome.

>>3002475
>head movement
Even pro boxers neglect this. The fact that you are learning it means you will be an exceptional boxer.

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>>3000505
sorta same family of throw but Ryu does Tomoe Nage

Boop

>>3002815
>Not using filters
>Replying to bait
>Anno domini MMXVII

>>3002427
>Throwing is much more technical than submitting, there's no question about that much.
Stand-up grappling is indeed complex, but the intricacies of ground-fighting are not only much quicker to learn, they're incredibly useful in a fight.

I'm not a Gracie nuthugger (in fact, the only ones I truly respect are the late Carlson Sr. and his half-brother Rolls Sr.), but BJJ is a dynamic art that finally gave matwork and submissions their just due to the mainstream.

>its just that carlos and helio were abysmal at tachi-waza and only ever got any good at wrestling.
Their tachi-waza wasn't bad so much as it was adequate for what they needed to do.

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>>3008509
korean levels of revisionist history I think. WE WUZ MARTIAL ARTS N SHIET

>no real records documenting technique of any kind other than some paintings of people wrestling so we know they had at least a rudimentary understanding of how to grapple back then
>fill in the blanks with techniques from modern MMA
>conclude "obviously this is exactly how it looked back then as well"

Why don't we just put the /mag/ threads on /sp/ instead of having to filter through all the autistic mandrama? If /heem/ is allowed on /sp/, surely /mag/ should be too.

>>3008936
Move to the place where mandrama was told not to come anymore, to have them flood this board? Fuck that, might as well move the mandrama back to /sp/ then.

Hey fellas. I've been doing Thai boxing for ~3 years now, and as thai boxers go my hand work and boxing is present, but quite lacking compared to straight boxers. I understand the folly of trying to self teach martial arts, but as an intermediate student are there any books or resources I could study to supplement that hand and footwork, or would the choice be cross training at a boxing gym?

>>3008130
>they're incredibly useful in a fight.
Show me proof that your bullshit
>99.99999% of fights end up on the ground
statistics are actual statistics and not some thick and brown bullshit coming out of a BJJ cultist's asshole.

>>3007294
>>Replying to bait
What makes that bait?

don't worry

I'll save you

>>2999763
I know Riner is a beast among beasts, but this is such a vanilla hikikomigaeshi with zero set up that I am very surprised it worked at this level of competition.

>>3008936
I think it have been tried a couple times. It just doesn't work. The other boards were too fast to keep this alive, but now and then there's an attempt to keep /mag/ on /fit/.

I've been considering practicing Capoeira lately now that I'm back to school and am pretty much close to the gym there. Looks pretty sick... and tough for the core at the same time. Any channels I should consider so I can start my career on it?

consider for a moment the tai otoshi

a powerful throw for sure, and I have become aware of a variation where the arm that you normally hold the lapel with, instead you let go when you turn and essentially forearm strike the crook of the elbow on the arm you are pulling, which basically amounts to a 2 on 1 arm drag. The resulting throw is much snappier, and harder, plus you could be a real dick and smash that forearm in there.

now here's the problem. How to do this without the gi? because I feel a wrist grab alone isn't going to be strong enough to pull someone all the way through the throw

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>>3012147
there's a few no gi variants Karo Parysian illustrates 2 in his Victory Belt book Judo For MMA.


If you have access to UFC network watch his match against Diego Sanchez he attempts it twice and hits it real clean the second time.

His main grip is off the whizzer, so having a strong under hook that act as a surrogate for the lapel grip and gripping the elbow or tricep that acts as the surrogate for the sleeve grip


Ronda Rousey also landed tai otoshi in a few of her fights she prefered using the headlock grip as a surrogate to the lapel grip and kept the elbow control for her sleeve grip


Finally another no gi variant that is practically a one to one translaton of the 2 on one gi variant of the throw is webm related.

You grab the wrist, you block the tricep and you use the same footwork as the above throws and probably the text book version of it.

In terms of self defense or just being a complete dick there is a high injury rate variant, where you coax your back leg, the one that bends low, you either plant it right on top your opponent's ankle or opponent's knee as you twist and complete the throw with your hands/upper body you straighten your bent leg as they elevate, timed right you block/lock the knee or ankle as their upper body/weight goes and you can ideally tear their MCL/ACL or fibula, real dick move to do in randori, the ukumi is a bitch, untrained people will be prone to getting injured, which is probably idea for self defense

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>>3012192
The webm above is a no gi variant of the korean same sided tai otoshi variant

again you use both hands to attack your opponent's same side arm, so you dont need to worry about grabbing the lapel focus on the core concept of using your hands to displace one side of your opponent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8p_9v0z4Vo

Is Muay Thai still considered the best striking art for MMA? Haven't really kept up with the development of mixed martial arts.

>>3012227
Best is subjective, influential still? yes it still consistently contributes to MMA's current Meta game depending on the weight division, same is said with boxing, karate and kickboxing. All those styles are deep enough and have consistently contributed new tactics and moves for high level play.

MT currently is contributing a lot of its clinch game so we see more and more fighters implement different angles of knees, elbows and trips

Anyone here have any experience with Sambo? It's a martial art that fascinates me but I get a Russian McDojo vibe from a lot of places that teach it in the west.

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>>3012253
I'm a judo black belt and HS wrestling coach. at my gym we have one black belt who is also a samboist he's from Ukraine , the expectation for Russian and other former Russian block countries is that practitioners do both and then its up to them to really focus on one.

For myself i've learned different variants of juji gatame, a smathering of leglocks, and a few pick ups

>>3012253
they got some good throws and a leglock game that is superior to classic bjj, but it isn't innovating at nearly the same rate so modern bjj has better leglocks now. in fact, fuck it, I'm dropping the B from bjj when I talk about modern practice, because the new techniques aren't coming out of brazil they are coming out of japan and north america. Especially since people are moving away from gracie shit and starting to do stuff that actually works when the other guy isn't a complete fish.

rant aside, just remember they don't choke in sambo so not understanding the true depth of lapel fuckery will get you murked if you enter a gi grappling tournament with just sambo

>>3012227
>Haven't really kept up with the development of mixed martial arts.
Modern Muay Thai is Modern Kickboxing + Boxing + Dutch Kickboxing + Savate + Karate + Taekwondo + Capoeira + A Whole Lot of Other Shit
MMA today is MMA.

>>3011868
Riner is known for using that hand across the back for big throws, so I'm guessing this was the last thing his opponent expected.

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>>3012442
>thai sexual arts
>having anything to do with Savate or Taekwando
>fucking capoeira

you're pretty spot on about the karate aspect though many people seem to forget that

>>3012355
> Especially since people are moving away from gracie shit and starting to do stuff that actually works when the other guy isn't a complete fish.
I'm glad to hear that as that's what put me off training in (B)JJ.

Anyone know of any good No-gi JJ/Submission grappling DVDs for beginners?

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>>3013437
no! ^_^

as a beginner you can't learn from watching a dvd because grappling is about inches, and being one inch off in any direction will cause positions to fail. So you can mimic the position you see, but if you are't already familiar with how it works, when you try to apply it for real it will fail because what the dvd can't show you is proper weight distribution and the finer points of angles as well as the feedback a partner gives so you can tweak it and hone in on how its supposed to feel when you do it
>how's that?
>sorta uncomfortable but not painful
>[scoot butt half inch to the left]
>now?
>nope I feel like I can get away now
>[scoot 3/4 an inch to the right and lean slightly forward]
>how about now?
>getting tighter
and so on

you should watch the grapple arts channel, that's the best place for beginner tips because he talks more about general concepts instead of specific techniques

techniques are great until you come to a situation you don't have an answer for
meanwhile understanding concepts means if you end up in a situation you have an answer for, you can probably improvise and figure out the right thing to do on the fly

>>3013895
Sorry I should of been clearer. I'm not looking to teach myself with DVDs, I just would like some to watch alongside training. Also just to get some ideas about things.

I also have a question: I don't really have much interest in gi stuff, my interest lies in no-gi. Do some people just train no-gi or is it generally the case that people do both?

Thanks for your reply!

>>3013916
>Do some people just train no-gi or is it generally the case that people do both?
a common thing is people want to train nogi only, those guys who only train nogi will in general quickly find themselves doing both or getting left behind by only sticking to one.

they are in most cases, basically the same thing except with gi you have more gripping options available to you. I myself don't like all that spiderguard and de la riva shit and lapel gift wraps and stuff people do because it's too sporty, so I just don't use it myself. I still need to know about it, still need to know the defenses against it.

lets say your place does half gi, half nogi like mine does. If you wanted to do nogi only you're cutting your mat time down by half.
so a real life example is I started the same time as my friend, he did nogi only and I was doing both. after a few months and despite his physical advantages over me being much bigger and in better shape while I was a short chub, I was completely ragdolling him on the mat even in nogi because I'm putting twice the work in and he's not. and then eventually he got discouraged and quit because he was falling so far behind.

coach asked him "why aren't you coming to the gi classes" and he said "I want to get good at nogi, the gi stuff is just going to confuse me" and the coach said "if you want to get better at nogi, start doing gi. gi is a much more complex game because of the additional factors, so if you can become proficient doing things the complex way, doing things the simple way will be even easier"

>>3013968
Thanks for your input, it makes a lot of sense thinking about it that way.

I mainly ask because I'm really into the idea of catch wrestling: the aggressive and unorthodox grappling and the nasty holds, plus I am a huge Kazushi Sakuraba fan. Unfortunately in the UK there aren't any catch gyms near me so I was just going to do no-gi because I hear that BJJ in general has moved away from just being a Gracie thing and incorporates a lot of stuff from other grappling arts.

>>3014018
>there aren't any catch gyms near me
>in the UK
isn't that a shame?

>>3014062
Yeah it's kind of bizarre that our national style of wrestling/grappling is basically dead here, but seems to be quite big in America and Japan.

>>3013895
>>3013916
>Sorry I should of been clearer. I'm not looking to teach myself with DVDs
then both of you should know what the shit in the DVDs and the shit in the gym is the exact same thing

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>>3012274
Nice!
Your .gif is nice, [bjjtroll mode on] but Blue showed low passing guard skills. bjjtroll mode off]

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>>3014018
>>3014100
Josh Barnett is doing a catch seminar in London in September.

http://www.pinandsubmit.com/

>>3015314
Oh shit! Is it beginner friendly?

>>3015314
Damn it's super expensive, no way I can afford that.

Got some shorts, not a fan of them - too heavy, not good material, not flexible.

Anyone have recommended brands? Hayabusa and Venum solid?

>>3015513

there's literally no martial arts reason for a beginner to pay money to attend a seminar unless it's explicitly targeted at beginners

if you want to go because you're a groupie for the instructor, that's a different story

>>3002475
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooMjhFToGQw

Cheap slip bag and other drills

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ6vTjTrelI

Things to watch out for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHT_rCXfotQ

DIY Tennis ball handbag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUHBbtoHD8k

JT Van V showing how to use it.

>>3009083

Cross training at a true boxing gym where a good coach can monitor you will be more beneficial.

Watch Marvin Cook's videos on youtube, too. He was a boxing coach brought in to teach MMA guys and he's a stickler for proper stance, footwork, and form.

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Do you think flying kicks still have a room in the martial arts world?

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>>3016168

>>2999365
Nice

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>>3016168

How bad is it for a dudes neck if his opponent like leaps on to him, does a guillotine choke and then just hangs off his neck with his entire body weight until the guy getting choked collapses to the ground? I saw that shit a long time ago at a live event and the guy using the choke was a huge black dude. I don't know much about MMA so it's always made me wonder if that was real harmful.

>>2997739
Anything goes school of martial arts

>>3016206
Did he won that fight?

It looks neat, but if it didn't make him win, I doubt the extra length was worth the effort.

>>3015580
Probably overpriced but generally solid - wait for a sale somewhere, then grab them I'd say.

>>3008509
Imagine HEMA grappling where there aren't any books to get techniques from so they just make them up.

>>3009083
I feel like a lot of boxing stuff isn't really applicable to Muay Thai. At a boxing gym you'll learn footwork that makes you defenseless against kicks, head movement that will get you kneed in the face, and strategy that only applies when someone can't kick you. You might learn useful stuff too, but you'll be wasting a lot of time to get there.

The best thing would be to go to a gym with a real Dutch style kickboxing coach. There you can learn how to effectively use good boxing with your kicks.

Self-teaching boxing might work too, just try to use more boxing in sparring, practice more boxing on the bag and on the pads, and watch some boxing videos by Jt Van V and others like him.

>>3016511
Not that bad because they're hanging. The worst one for your neck is probably when they push your back into the cage and then deadlift your neck

>>3018035
Yes and no

You have to modify Queesbury-rules boxing to fit in Muay Thai. Samart Payarkaroon and Samransak Muangsurin utilized great head movement and hand-eye coordiation during their MT bouts.

Dutch kickboxing is indeed more punch-heavy and its movements allow for it to happen more frequently, but they open themselves up to teeps and body kicks too much. I think Lucien Carbin's approach which is mid-way between Dutch conventions and traditional Muay Thai is the best of both worlds.

>>3009141
Not the anon you're responding to, but while I also disagree with Rorion's propaganda about 99% of fights ending on the ground, the Gracies popularized ground-fighting to the masses; something nobody did before.

I'm a huge fan of Pancrase and love how the Japanese preserved catch wrestling. I'm also a big time boxing and MT fan so I appreciate striking as well. You can't deny how BJJ's guardwork and being able to fight off your back revolutionized proto-MMA in the 1990's. Even Masakatsu Funaki studied BJJ to improve his groundgame.

>>3012355
>because the new techniques aren't coming out of brazil they are coming out of japan and north america
SRSLY? Can you show me proof of this because I thought the Brazilians were at the forefront of BJJ innovations since it's their bread-and-butter.

>>3018242
>I'm a huge fan of Pancrase and love how the Japanese preserved catch wrestling
My man. At least no-gi JJ is moving away from the Gracie cult and incorporating stuff from catch.

Out of interest do you happen to know what stand up arts the Pancrase guys trained in? MT or Karate?

>>3018276
>no-gi JJ
The interesting thing is, no-gi JJ partially stems from BJJ's rivalry with Luta Livre which also derives from Catch Wrestling + Judo. The Luta Livre guys were looked down upon because they didn't use gis like BJJ does and quite a few Jiu-Jitieros picked up some stuff over the years.

Pancrase guys are usually boxing, MT, and karate since anyone who participates in combat sports (kakutougi) in Japan knows how useful MT is. Japan's also a big boxing nation so no doubt they'd implement that and of course karate/kenpo out of national pride.

One of my buddies from college trained in a gym that was affiliated with Pancrase and he said that their stand-up is getting better compared to the 90's. They actually emphasize being able to gauge the distance, pick shots, do some combo work on the bags, and learn some neck-wrestling and clinch-fighting for knees and sweeps.

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>>3018276
Even the Gi BJJ is revolving around leglock know.
Basic leglock revolves around controling the hips to attack lower limbs joints.
They share this with guard passing that also revolves around controlling opponent's hips while keeping yours free.
And you're right f*ck Gracie nuthugging about leg locks.

>>3018412
It's funny because BJJ was against lower body submissions for quite some though some schools like Oswaldo Fadda's were big into foot-locks. It definitely changes the way position, transition, and submission set-ups are in BJJ.

>>3016168
Of course, why wouldn't it be? Even though I love seeing hard cut kicks thrown as well as teeps, axe kicks, roundhouses, and back kicks in Kickboxing & Muay Thai, a well-timed flying kick would be nice to see now and then.

>>3013398
From what I've seen in Savate, there's a couple of kicks that could be utilized in MT if it was modified. The same for Capoeira.

>>3018412

Unless you're losing on points and the time is running out, you shouldn't give up top position to go for a foot/leg lock. It's much better to pass.

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>>3018035

>>3018412
basically this is how it went down
>gracies train jujitsu for about 2 years
>never get black belts
>never learn leglocks
>declare themselves grand masters
>don't teach leglocks to their students because they don't know them
>meanwhile everyone else even in brazil knows them which leads us to that famous fadda story
>gracies are excellent business men despite being sub par grapplers
>convince their legions that leglocks are something bad and to be avoided
>essentially engaging in that age old mcdojo practice of stopping your students from being exposed to something legitimate in order to keep your own fraudulent image safe

>>3019873
that's some crazy revisionist history you got
do you train?

>>3019877
everything about that is true. The original gracies were self promoted non-black belts with 2 years of japanese jujitsu experience

>>3019468
>tight guard means you can't parry or slip punches

Dumbest shit I've ever seen.The two best boxers at parrying incoming shots right now are Ward and GGG and both and "boxers n shiet"


>using Mcgregor as an example of traditional boxing instead of an actual traditional boxer like either Klitschko. Image making already proving how little knowledge they have on the subject.

>>3019922
not too sold on the parrying technique of a guy with giant pillow hands stopping giant pillow hands. one would suspect it's the bare knuckle guys that are doing it properly.

boxing is such shit

>>3020022
All bare knuckle guys are shitters who can even hang with fucking amateurs. You've got to be completely deluded if you actually think this. I don't even think I've ever seen a parry in a bare knuckle fight.

Lol gay

>>3019896
Got a source on that? Just curious.

>>3018035
I tried to fight as a boxer against someone who kicks and it's fucking hard. Your only bet is to fluster them with speed and aggression - keep them off balance and tie them up into a wrestling game.

It's possible since kicks are slow and you can accelerate forwards quick enough.

>>3021197
its really a lot to get into, and I'm not saying that because I don't want to provide you with information but because there really is so much to look at. There are even accounts saying that the gracies never even learned jujitsu formally from maeda and there isn't actually any evidence to contradict that claim other than what they say.

timelines from their own accounts don't match up, stories don't align, they all contradict each other. Helio claiming he was 4 years old when he started training with maeda when his brother said they started in 1914 which means helio was a one year old.

fact is, they are known fraudsters and its ridiculous that if they were telling the truth their claims fall apart under such little scrutiny

>>3021873
They may be fraudulent to a degree if you consider salesmanship AKA exaggeration as fraud.

Remember that the Gracies won the first UFC's and shaped the entire fighting game of the 21st century.

>>3021873
It's interesting how successful the Gracies were in competition for decades even with all of the things they excluded from their art. Maybe it's the old 1000 kicks 1 time vs 1 kick 1000 times thing. They perfected their exact system and it wasn't until much later that other people found the holes in their game

In your opinion did Yoshida choke Royce unconscious in their first fight?

>>3021873
Rickson and Royce were great fighters though, so they clearly taught them something

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>>3019873
Nigga please. Tell that to Renzo Gracie.
If you want to understand why leglocks were frowned upon by the Gracie, you have to go back in history and learn about Positivism.
Like in south asia boudhism, Head is sacred, and feet are unpure because they touch the ground.
Leglocks were bad even in the old Judo. The leglock revival we have now is a mix from Sambo, catch, judo, jiu-jitsu and a lot of ingenuity and hard work from the previous generation black belts.
>>3018797
Why, if you got a sure shot to a submission? For the points? Only points should be awarded fro takedowns, throws and slams. anything else on submission.

>>3022059
Most of the people that fought in the first ufc against the gracies were cringe and werent even good fighters

>>3022353
What about the people who fought Rickson in pride

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>>3022353
Yeah, right. All the 11th degree masters stayed at home because it is gay to fight on the ground.
Same (false) reason given by Thailand to ban MMA: Ground is (nails and lava) unpure.

>>3022394
Actual reason is probably anti-competition for Muay Thai, right?

I can decide bewtween Boxing or Muay Thai
What do you guys say? Boxing seems cleaner to me.

Sorry if you get this a lot

>>3022342

Because footlocks are not sure submissions, and if you miss the footlock and they come up top, they get 2 points for a sweep. So if you're in sport jiu jitsu it is bad strategy to give up top position for an attempted footlock. Position before submission.

>>3022359
The only person Rickson fought in Pride was Takada and he was shit. When the Gracies came up against an actually skilled fighter like Sakuraba (who trained under Takada but was a million times better) they got rekt hard. Rickson refused to fight him.

Renzo had trouble against an unknown Japanese guy at Pride 1. The Gracie narrative got exposed in Pride.

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>>3022865
Position before submission is one of the things that makes JJ kinda boring. I prefer catch's aggressive approach of submissions from anywhere and position be damned.

>>3022839
Muay Thai

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>>3022907

>>3022907

Totally fair enough, and I don't disagree. And my original comment was just assuming we were talking about footlocks in JJ, but obviously that's not the only place they're used.

I mostly said it because my instructors would always yell at me if I opened up someone's guard and then fell to go for a footlock, because in their opinion you should always go for the pass instead.

>>3022887
It wasn't exposed so much as they shied away from the A-Level fighters. No Gracie has won a weight title in PRIDE or the UFC. Only Royce could claim being a 3-time tournament champ, but even he got pummeled by Matt Hughes.

And Rickson's best wins was a half-blinded beaten-up Yuki Nakai and a burnt-out Funaki (who actually had a decent fight plan and even broke Rickson's orbital bone). Bas Rutten called him out so many times.

>>3021873

I didn't think it was ever in question that they trained in judo. I was under the impression that what they did was pretend to have invented the ground game when in reality they hyper-focused on what sport judo had neglected, and ever since the Gracie narrative has been WE WUZ GRAPPLERS N SHIET.

>>3022059
>the Gracies won the first UFC's
yes, and they had those successful dojo storms too

but consider this. They were the driving force in all of these things, they were always the challengers initiating the conflict.
I could have a 400 victory undefeated win streak too if I hand picked all my opponents, studied them, and they had to fight me blind to what my abilities are

>>3023154
Based Saku showing the strength of pro-wrestling.

>>3022059
>Remember that the Gracies won the first UFC's
They also booked those first UFCs. They purposely didn't book any fighters they thought had a chance against Royce.

>>3023635
>I could have a 400 victory undefeated win streak too if I hand picked all my opponents, studied them, and they had to fight me blind to what my abilities are
>all those special rules matches they had to come up with to even be remotely competitive
Didn't Joe Rogan say they came up with a bunch of bullshit rules for Bravo's last grappling match against a Gracie? Any video of that?

>>3023684

Jamie pull it up

>>3023684
the last one against royler
eddie basically just held him in place with lockdowns he had no idea how to break out of, rolled him around, was never put in any danger, and then put him in a leglock where it's a miracle his knee didn't get broken because that shit was twisted so far and he just refused to tap

royler was allowed to grab eddies clothes for grips, eddie was not allowed to grab roylers

at one point they got close to the edge and the ref recentered them and royler made a big fuss refusing to let eddie get back into the dominant position he had before they were moved

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0088BT-DfeI

>>3023888
>royler was allowed to grab eddies clothes for grips, eddie was not allowed to grab roylers
Sauce?

>>3023826

That looked more like Weidman threw a haymaker and his leg happened to get under Maia's.

>>3023929
if they don't mention it in the commentary it has been said on the joe rogan DUDE WEED LMAO show

but also you can see it happening during the match too

Gracies are notorious for demanding special rules for their MMA fights

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>>3023952
Its a pretty popular combo for grapplers that are crossing over into striking.

De ashi barai into a hook

The irony or perhaps more interesting thing is its the main way that karate stylist hit foot sweeps.

Where as grapplers use their clinch/grip to create a moment of off balance and time the step into the path of the footsweep

Karate (and Muay Thai) provoke their opponents into stepping with a punch or guiding them with their footwork into the path of the foot sweep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwS0aPedoEo

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>>3024026

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>>3024047
What is this? Akiyama for ants?

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>>3024063
I been around for awhile that gif was made on heem before it was heem

got a bunch of other tiny gifs from that era.

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Again there is a lot of crossover between arts and even ranges. I am mainly a judoka/wrestler but at tournies and even randori/sparring you'll have a couple of hot heads who will be blatantly about their foot sweeps and are practically low kicking you.


For myself and the athletes i coach, while drilling and training ashi waza/footsweeps we will wear shin guards just because the rest time and risk of injury is to much

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Karate/Muay Thai foot sweeps have a great synergy with Judo/wrestling's footsweeps and vice versa. Where as the grappling varanints help fill in the gap during clinching for strikers.

The striking variants help with the medium range and fill out a grapplers striking range with takedowns without grabbing a hold.

MMA has been a great laboratory with people fusing and creating new techniques, and strats.

Yoshihiro Akiyama fused striking footwork to do no grab judo throws, mainly all of them were ashi waza variants. But he would intercept/clash into his opponents strikes and sweep them out.

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>>3024160

The only Gracie with any class is Renzo. All the other ones are arrogant cunts who think they're God's gift and make up bullshit excuses when they lose. Renzo was a cool guy who accepted when he was beaten and always praised his opponent.

Greatest story in MMA is when Royce was all like 'Dese Hapanese refereeee, the no show de HESPECT de Graaayceee familia deserve' (because a ref called for the bell when Renzo's arm was snapped in two) then gave a long list of rules that made no sense and Sakuraba just went out and made a mockery of him for 90 minutes.

>>3022865
If you know any good with footlocks, they are high percentage, and it's easy enough to retain control to prevent the opponent from standing up even when you don't land the submission. I have an excellent passing game, and more than half of my competition wins come from footlocks. Never lost points while attempting footlocks either.

Also, it's control before submission, position before submission is no more than its simplified incarnation to prevent confusion in new trainees.

>>3024026
This is brawling with style. Aint no martial arts here.

>>3022865
>footlocks are no sure submission.
>2 points.
Footlocks are as legit as armbars and more efficient once locked properly. The transition to the kings and queens submissions (chokes and neck crancks) is harder thouh, which is a drawback.

>>3024968
In a brawl, he would have soccerkicked him once on the ground.

>>3025236

I think the idea is if you blow an armbar you usually don't end up on bottom, but you can on a blown footlock

what do you guys think of qwan ki do?

>>3025252
It's a brawl with some rules. Its not a martial art but it uses some lessons from martial arts.

Every strike is executed with a rapid lunging forward motion and form breaks down so thats why.

Finally got a bag in my new place. Bag work is so fun I could do it all day.

>>3024160
who's the asian guy? that's a beautiful physique

>>3025337
I know why they all get ripped like that, so they can look the part - like a movie star..People like that.

I suppose it has a lot of benefits too, ridding excess fat so you are more lean and agile.

>>3025327
I envy people who enjoy bag work

>>3025269
mcdojo doing its best to pretend it's not one

>>3025337
Yoshihiro Akiyama

>>3025259
Footlocks and leg submissions in general have been struggling in MMA a lot for the last 4 years because of that you spend your time stuck on bottom with both arms latched onto your opponent's leg means opponent has free range to TKO with ground and pound

>>3025269

I've never heard of it, but it sounds like one of those schools a Korean opened up within the last 5 years and claims was passed down from Silla Dynasty Buddhist monks.

>>3025622
no, the style is vietnameze and it was founded in 1980. It has kung fu elements.

>>3025415
>Yoshihiro Akiyama
Um can you refer to him by his real name please? It's just 'Sexyama'.

>>3025421
>>3025259

With leg locks you are supposed to use your legs to hold your opponent down.

The problem with this is they can also leg lock you, lol.

>>3025898
I don't really know a lot about leglocks because its somewhat rare to find someone good at them, so I know how to grab a few, and escape a few, the basics you know? but taht whole leg lock 50/50 pretzel exchange game I don't know anything about its funny how as things get advanced people forget basics.

a blackbelt was attacking my coaches leg for a heel hook and he didn't bring his own leg over the top, he left it on the inside. So I learned that if someone does that apparently all you do is grab them by the ankle and pull towards you and they end up heel hooking themselves

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>>3025307
>Brawl with rules.
Have you ever been in a brawl?
What you wrote doesn't make sense.
>>3025421
they've not been struggling, fighters are just starting to use them as a basic tool in their skillsets while the armbar is around for more than 25 years. This not to say that as well as armbar, you can defend and escape them if they're not on point. A few years ago, there were basically 5% of the ufc rooster using anything else the kneebar or mata leao on the foot as leg lock. Nowdays you can sees some heel hooks, which is great
Most people drank the Gracie KoolAid so people didn't go into leglock game before.
>>3026465
This counter is basic stuff. Like the kimura from bottom half guard can be countered by a kimura from top half guard.

>>3025337
>>3025360
>I suppose it has a lot of benefits too, ridding excess fat so you are more lean and agile.
If you pay attention, you get lots of ladies, as well as gay and bisexual men, checking you out. Even straight men will be checking you out.
If you're into that, anyway.
If you have no personality, it'll help you forget about how shallow you are.

>>3026739
how much of a scrub do you have to be to put your leg between the other guys legs when he's turtled? How is he pro?
I learned to never do that as white belt because then that exact thing happens

>>3027132
Alcantra was looking for it deliberately. That mistake from Sanders is a big no-no in grappling, but with strikes involved, the course of the fight can still change on 1 single strike.

>>3026739
>have you ever been in a brawl
Are you comparing a brawl to chaos theory where nothing has a structure? Even brawls have structures.

Oh fuck off I dont even have the energy to argue with a burger (yes I know you are a burger from yoru burger tier logic)

>>3027516
I knew this dude he tried to leg lock me. He was a total asshole and to help you udnerstand how much of an asshole he was Im gonna tell you the story of our sparring days where he understood "go light" as "try and knock me out"

So this motherfucker is doing some motherfucker type things in a sparring sesh and he goes for a leg lock. At this point I was standing over him while he feebly tried to get me down and started talking to him. I said "Im not gonna let you take me to the ground" and then I gave him a dropping fist right on his face.

After tte punch he got up and had a little mental breakdown. Stopped talking to me for about 5 minutes and just sat down somewhere. I went to get him a drink to cheer him up and he didnt recover and that was the last ever time I saw him. Goodbye motherfucker.

Leglocks are the patricians choice of submission.

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these are good for kung fu?

>>3029403
dont know but they are cute!

>>3029403
Jumping kicks during the day
Multimillionaire CEO's concubine during the night

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>>3026739
The current meta in UFC the top 2 highest percent submissions are the RNC and Guillotine
The Guillotine being use as a win condition hard counter to control scrambles from wrestling shots. The RNC has seen a use surge because of the prevalence of folk style wrestling and the shift to riding, back takes, and back attacks


With that submissions from close guard and just guard work is at an all time low with grappling specialist in top level UFC


So with that you see a lot of BJJ players or top level guys implement sport minded BJJ meta into UFC which happens to be a slew of leg locks. However since like 2014 leglock finishes have been less then 1%. A lot of BJJ players that try to implement 50/50 guard, the trunk, etc. have been TKO'd because of the current meta of so many people prefering to ride out or just leg ride and then ground and pounding the leg locker into a finish.


So right now high level BJJ meta like leg locks are struggling to find a solid foot hold into UFC/MMA meta

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>>3029666
I want you to understand i am not saying they're impossible in the current meta, but in the present standard of the game, more often then not there are more finishes coming from people countering leglock attempts, then they are people successfully hitting leglocks.


I am a huge fan of them myself, and i would love to see more people consistently land them but right now its tough for leg lockers and their proponents

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>>3029683
There could be a shift where people will look for leglocks not from bottom or pulling guard but from standing or some sort of top position transition

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>>3029692
For the most part you see most leglock guys do what a lot of people who favor omaplatas, which is not look to lock the submission but rather using the submission as a sweep to reverse and get themselves on top

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>>3029700
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>>3029703
more examples of leglocks hit from non bottom positions

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>>3029707
UFC applications

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>>3029719

Is the Barnett vs Lister match anywhere for download or streaming? For free of course.

Where can I watch Royce Gracie vs Dan Severn for free?

>>3029692
>>302968
We rougly agree on that.but the number of grappling based fighter, wrestling not included is small compared to the striking based fighters.
Since the wresle boxer is almost a thing of the past, we have to look spmewhete else for explanation,e.g. the rules.
Leglocks cannot become efficient again within the current ruleset. Upkick should be legal again to allow leglocker to defend from gnp.

>>3029700
There has been more sub by each of the 4 most used leg locks than omoplata in the ufc I think.
Omoplata is almost more of a control position than a submission.

>>3029707
It is actually a choke. The leg us there to raise the pressure. French guy woud have been DQ if ruled a lower limb lock.

>>3030462

yeah, hasn't there only been one omoplata finish in UFC history?

>>3021509

Fighting kickers as a boxers is not that hard..

The main obstacle are lowkicks, which can wear your out. But they are more or less about good timing (avoid getting hit) and a little conditioning (to not get down if you get hit).

For all staight kicks or upper body kicks you can use more or less the same defense/footwork you already know from boxing. Just add a little more movement and get your timing staight. If it's a straight kick pass the kick on one side and move in. If it's a powerfull spinning kick, move in the direction of the spin to avoid the full blow and move in. Whatever you do, remember this:

A kicker can't kick and move at the same time. A puncher can. So the kicker has to keep you at a certain distance to pull of his kicks. This works great when two kickers fight each other, but you can deny his game. All you have to do is constantly moving out of range to piss him off until you can move in and turn it into a punching game. If he rushes in, you are in advance and can decide to either punch him out while moving backwards or decide to stand your ground and move in.

Once you closed in you should be able to fire a bunch of shots to his face until you penetrate the defense and knock him out.

It's more a psychological thing, if you can enforce your game you are sure to win. But it's good to practice against kickers to see kicks (since you are not used to the angles you can get surprised) and a little conditioning halps a lot. But overall striking is more versatile and powerfull.

Is no surprise we lost this board to the wrasling spammers. Apparently, nobody can refrain from replying to the boxing hater.

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Which of thise excercises is useless and which is useful for MA conditioning?

*burpees
*pullups/table rows
*dips
*situps
*squats
*pushups
*burpees

So far im doing 1000 dips plus 300-500 pushups ,100 table rows a day. I did 1,000 squats for some months, now my legs are strong.

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>>3033969

>>3034523
100 squats is literally 1 minute of training ;_;

>>3033969
Just go to the gym Jesus Christ.

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>>3030459
In terms of archetypes the wrestler/boxer fusion is still prevalent and probably still the most common in fact the wrestler/boxer archetype is probably the most dominate archetype in the current MMA meta with the shift towards wrestling rides as the main means of grappling offense rather then guard work on top of the package of clinch and dictating fighting range


The rules being a factor are more nuisance
Up kicks are legal as long as the opponent is standing right? Allowing upkicks would probably weaken or rather make leglocks harder to hit since defenders could kick with their free leg out and there are more variants of leglocks needing leg lacing for the attacker.
>>3030462
So the data i am pulling up is from 2014 and 2016 but it gives us a good eye on the lay on, the current era of meta has been settling as the 2017 year has gone on. But out of all "other" submission finishers (IE subs that arent catagorized in the 4 common subs of RNC, Guillotine, triangle and armbar)
Leg attacks are the most common, however there is a trend within the last 2 years that leglockers have been hitting a proverbial wall as people learn strats to defend and in the mean while stall out, making grapplers prone to getting ground and pound.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/Most-common-subs-in-UFC-history-graphically-displayed

https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/the-most-successful-submissions-in-the-ufc/


>>3030468
The ref sees the sanku/triangle choke however the frenchman did sneak in a leg lock hold as he cranks on the leg, the same sub is seen in MMA with the 2 webms below.

I keep that webm around to show how Judoka and while high level athletes game the system and get around rules, that and general inept ness of reffing

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>>3030027
here's the finish to it

>>3039533
I'm surprised he didn't try to finish from the gogo. he had done the hard part and gotten the foot around.
not sure why he would triangle his legs there and give up the position instead of hooking inside the thigh with his free leg

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>>3039560
crushing kesa finishes

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>>3039567
he was hitting the oma plata sweep quite a bit in that fight i only have 2 of the sweeps webm but i think he hit 3 sweeps and attempted it 1 more time that lead no where.

>>3039601
its just weird to give up such a powerful position in favor of such a shitty one

I never treat an omoplata as an on purpose move, thats like an oh fug I'm losing position but maybe I can stuff this arm down my pants and salvage something position

I'd never give up a gogo though

>>3039638

I don't think it was on purpose.

Blue shorts guy managed to slip through under his leg and escaped by turning into the lock.

>>3035156
However, 10km should be between half and one hour of training.

>>3032165
>>3032165
I dont know how you think a kicker vs puncher game goes but if the fight is longer than 3 minutes the kicker always wins.

The idea is that boxing will triumph if you can score a quick knockout.

In a competition that uses big boxing gloves - this is impossible. In a MMA fight its another story.

>>3034523
Ah the infamous Mike Tyson training routine.

Some bastard posted this on a thread abut Mikes routine and it spread like wildfire to all these websites and forums.

People kepts coming back and saying "Im doing this many squats but Im not much stronger than I was before" lol.

I'm a huge pussy and I feel really bad if I harm other people. How effective would it be to just learn grappling martial arts (BJJ, Wrestling, Judo, etc.) for self defense? Demian Maia is pretty successful in UFC using this technique.

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>>3041716
the great ruse, where people think "gentle" arts that use "soft" techniques do less harm. They are every bit as damaging and much more likely to cause accidental injury to people.
here's an important detail though, if all you do is wrestling or jujitsu you will get good at fighting those types of people, but you aren't going to be well equipped to deal with people trying to hit you. There are a great many positions that work great in grappling contests but are useless and even dangerous for you if there are punches involved. so whether or not you plan on punching someone, you still need to train it so you can understand how to defend against it.
>>3033969
if you aren't doing at least this much you aren't ever going to become strong

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>>3041716
>learn grappling martial arts
>for self defense

Yeah, no.

Grappling usually is the last thing you should try to do when fighting on the street. Keeping distance, maintaining as much freedom / mobility as possible, and being aware of your surroundings are the key aspects of self-defence, and usually they conflict with grappling.

Although, obviously, the best self-defence is to not engage in fights just because.

Is a great sport, and some techniques translate pretty well to some street scenarios, but as the main defence, striking is still comes on top.

If you really want or have to, I would suggest judo.

So I hit a heavy bag a bit too hard and it seems that I might have sprained my wrist. I can still lift heavy weights that don't put complete pressure on my wrist (bench press, OHP, squat, deadlift) but can't do stuff like heavy curls on a bar. Also, throwing jabs and cross seem to usually not hurt, but I can't do hooks without pain.

How long do you think recovery is going to take? Any tips on treating it? I was thinking about getting a splint but I feel like its not THAT bad for one.

>>3047090
See a fucking doctor. A sports medicine one.

>>3047090
You shouldn't be doing curls with a barbell anyways imo. Stick to dumbell curl variations, barbell puts stress on wrists for literally no reason / gain for the lifter.

Why the heck does my elbow hurt when i push something, i've only done Bjj/Wrestling no striking. Any tips to heal it? Atm im just doing the good ol ''doing nothing and hopes it gets better'' process

>>3047739
>go running
>knees now ache all the time
>start lifting
>elbows now ache all the time
Think some of us are just born with shit joints.

>>3047764
I haven't even trained any stenght since the summer vacation, just trained grappling the whole summer.

>>3047739
Golf or tennis elbow maybe? Be careful with that, because if my diagnosis happens to be correct, it can takes ages to heal properly.

Ice it regularly for short periods when it hurts, keep warm otherwise, take something like ibuprofen (not too long, can fuck with digestive system) to counter inflammation. Avoid painful movement obviously. When I was dealing with them (still am to a lesser extent now) I relied in outstretched arms, used elbows instead of forearms to frame or catch, as well as weight placement to control. Was pretty interesting, leads to better and/or more versatile technique.

>>3047090
get one of the cheap support braces at the pharmacy, it really does quite a lot of immobilize and let you heal properly. if you don't you will keep aggravating it. Just wear it while you're at work, a little compression goes a long way. You will feel better every day.
>>3047739
probably repetitive movement from your job, My elbow got fucked up from working in a bank because I was opening and closing cash drawers and cabinets all day. 8 hours a day of constant push pull push pull push pull even something so light weight as file cabinet wears out your joints
>>3047764
and you!
stop running, get a bike. People really should under no circumstances be running. its high impact and destroys your lower body. goodbye knees, shins, and ankles. I used to be a fairly accomplished runner with a nearly sub 10 second hundred meter, running 3 miles as a pre warm up warm up before I started working on the track kind of thing and now I can't even jog a mile and a half before my joints start flaring up and hurting.

one more thing. If you are having trouble with your elbows from lifts its because your stabilizers have a deficit so your primaries are sorta spazzing around unchecked. Stop with the free weights, start using pullies. You will be amazed at how the weight you can lift decreases be at good 40% or more when you have to overcome the instability of the pully acting against your lift. You will end up with a more functional strength this way.

rant time about using pullies. There's this dumb misconception of machines = easy, pullies = intermediate, free weights = advanced

its really more like machines = low impact and therapeutic
pullies = stability and secondary muscle training
free weights = primary muscle training
they all have their purposes

>>3049053
except im a student that had vacation all summer, and it only started hurting last Sunday.

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Hey anons, I'm a relatively fat guy who wants to get fit, is MMA/BJJ a good way to do this? There's a couple places in town that do it here in town, one gym close by does MMA classes run by a guy named Tony Garcia and a few other fitness classes Monday-Friday, and then there's the Camarillo BJJ place run by Daniel Camarillo, Dave Camarillo's brother, but I think that's on the other side of town.

>>3049626
Consult your doctor to determine what things you can do without fucking yourself up.

>>3017194
>why bother throwing punches if you dont win

>>3049724
By relatively fat I mean more like "drop 20 pounds and eat healthier" fat.

That is a good idea though.

>>3049053
>People really should under no circumstances be running
This is incorrect. Run with a forefoot strike and you'll be fine.

>>3049626
A guy I know is down 30 pounds in 3 months since starting BJJ. He goes 4 times a week.

Went to a small mma gym today. Holy fuck, I will never criticize cardio again. Once I got to shoot drills, I was so out of breath my throat was closing.

>>3052046
Struggle breeds greatness, Anon.
At least you had fun, right?

>>3052056

I did. But I got a little to overconfident with the shoot drills and stuffing drills. More water next time, more spaghetti.

Is it a bad mindset to never be satisfied with your performance? I feel so slow but not sure if I actually am

>>3052350
I prefer to aspire more if possible, but acknowledge good performance. Tl;dr be happy if you did well, still aim to improve.

Permanent dissatisfaction is not a mindset I'd embrace.

>>3052350
Nothing is good or evil, thinking makes it so.

>>3049626
>>3049843
MMA helped me escape skinnyfat hell

Banana is the ultimate inter workout snack
>lengthy jiu jitsu session
>come home
>eat a 'nana
>do bag work

got dojo stormed

didn't realize there were actually faggots in real life who did that kind of thing

>>3056078
How did it go? What styles?
That's such a blatant advertisement campaign

>>3056099
well there were 5 of them, they came in talking shit and refused to sign a waiver, so they were told if they weren't going to sign a waiver and get on the mat then they had to leave, so they became belligerent and were talking tons of shit calling everyone pussies and junk, and for their own safety the police were called and they were made to leave

>>3056078
what style are you and what style were they

>>3056159
we are a grappling school
bjj, judo, and combat jujitsu (grappling with punches and kicks)
they were just some fags looking for trouble

How long have you guys been training and in what art?

>>3056078
I wonder how would the MA scene will look if dojo challenges were still a common thing?

Is kind of funny that TMA didn't try to preserve the honourable tradition of dojo challenges and closing down if the instructor couldn't defeat the newcomer.

>>3056235
>How long have you guys been training
My whole life.

>in what art?
All of them.

>>3056514
seems like a lot of information could be lost that way. I'd expect a fit beast mode blue belt can beat rickson gracies geriatric grand master ass in a fist fight

>>3056514
Dojo storming is stupid and only good for marketing. As anon above stated you pick your targets, show up with superior numbers, you could wait until a school competes and then show up the next week while all their guys are injured, there are just so many ways to stack the odds.

I get that it sounds like a meritocracy when talked about in abstract, but people are awful cliquey douches. New schools are competition, so there would always be an incentive to shut them down.

>>3056514
I think dojo storms have historically been about as common as samurai committing seppuku as painfully as possible without assistance or cheating (not that much). I wouldn't doubt if a bunch of the early Gracie challenges where they claimed to beat up every other martial art were bald-faced lies.

this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dante

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I'm fighting this guy Saturday, any tips? Its boxing, but I mainly train in MMA

>>3057127
kick him in the head

Is London Shootfighters a good gym? Thinking of trying it out as it seems less corporate than a lot of the other places in London.

>>3056974
Which would win, pipebomb-fu or Dynamite-ryu?

>>3058196
Nothing beats a well placed pipe bomb, anon

Just came back from my first BJJ class lads, it was predy fun. I feel pretty wired either from adrenaline or just physical exertion which is new, doesn't happen when I lift.
I got to pair up with one of the guys I know who is a judo black belt so I got to try really hard which was fun.

>>3058962
Nice one mate, you should feel proud of yourself. Did you go alone? I'm still trying to get the courage to go alone as none of my friends are interested.

>>3059131
Yeah I went alone, but I already knew some of the guys involved from my lifting gym.
I got really overwhelmed and I started shaking for a while when I entered the hall because of >muh anxiety, but it passed eventually. Don't know if I would have gone if I didn't know anyone beforehand, so I understand your position.

>>3057127
Learn his style, and figure out how to take advantage of his weaknesses.

>>3059131
I picked up three martial arts by blundering into a class alone and unannounced while being a rather introverted person by nature. My only regret is not having done it sooner.

>>3059298
What were the people in the classes like towards you?

>>3059131
>>3059298
I'm an extreme introvert but that doesn't stop me from acting extraverted and getting out there and doing shit, even if I do fucking hate the shit out of mother fucking humans some times.
Don't let yourself limit yourself; whether you're an introvert, an extravert, a normie, somewhere in the middle, just don't be a fucking bitch, life is too short for that bullshit.

>>3059339
You're right. Anxiety has ruined many a life.

>>3059131
Where do you live? Maybe some anon can come with you

>>3059397
London.

>>3053985
He didnt ask for good or evil, you pompous jackass.

>>3059309
Rule of thumb when interacting with humans: when you're polite and friendly, they generally respond in a similar manner.

So yeah, no problems whatsoever. Do it.

Recently taught my first kid's class, been doing adult classes somewhat regularly for a year or so.

Holy shit these little buggers are demanding.

>>3063517
Welcome to kindergarten

>>3063517
a waste of time if I'm being honest.
I teach hundreds of kids, out of the hundreds that walk through my door and even the ones that come regularly week to week and have potential, maybe 1 out of every 300 will make martial arts something they stick with and enjoy even into adulthood

>>3059428
L O N D O N pls
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>>3063517
Learn them leglocks and oblique kicks

>>3064233

Hey at least they're getting healthy socialisation and some are escaping what is probably a fucked up home life. If you're a good influence in their formative years then you're doing both them and society a service.

>>2997739
Hey guys, i need your help.
I started practicing martial arts (TKD) for the first time in my life few weeks ago, and i noticed that my body frozes in place when sparring, not because of fear or anything like that, but because i'm accustomed to fighting without rules (not even fighting dirty, but i like to use my elbows and knees a lot), so when i try to just kick my body starts feeling a little sluggish and some times even if i know that i can land a kick, my body just won't move. So, what can i do to fix this? Practice sparring more often?

>>3064589
Why not train muay thai? They use knees and elbows

>>3064954
I know and i would like to, but sadly there are just a bunch of mcdojos where i live, so TKD is the best i can get at the moment.

>>3065403
New

>>3064589
Happens to me a lot when I don't know what to do, moves just don't come out, with time it got better