/aq/ - Aquarium General

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don't repost your awful meme suggestions from the last thread either

Looks pretty hideous but I set up my first fish tank. It's 5 gallons and I plan on putting a Betta in it. I dosed it with some chemical that supposed to kick start the cycle. About how long should I wait before going out and getting a Betta to put in?

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>>2465497
Fuck I forgot the picture.

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Is this planted enough for a 10g?
I was thinking maybe some anacharis for the back to create a kind of wall
got rid of that hogswort, it started shedding needles and I was not having any of that
I replaced it with I admittedly don't know what that is in my back right corner
I have some mopani wood I'll probably introduce to soften the water and add some tannins for the tetras I plan to add eventually

>>2465497
literally laughed out louded

Hey guys! I'm just starting to get into aquariums. I got like a 1.5 - 2 gal spherical tank, I forget the exact number, seems big enough, it could fit my new tiger oscar and a few alamo shrimp from a pet store by my house.
I was wondering how big tiger oscars get(I assume they grow to proper proportion of the tank like most fish) and if shrimps could crawl away out of the tank. They all disappeared. I thought they'd get caught in a filter so I didn't bother getting one so there's no chance they're stuck in the pump due to my foresight. Should I look under my tv? They might be seeking the warmth of the tv and my tank is resting on top of my tv.
Thanks!

theoretically, safestart lets you add fish after 24 hours, but I don't know if I trust it
I would honestly tell you to cycle your tank properly first, and also get gravel that doesn't cause your eyes to water

>>2465503
It's less of an instant cycle, more of a way to cycle your tank with fish in without them getting killed

>>2465510
fish don't usually die from a fish-in cycle anyways.

so it's more of a way to give your money to a corporation for nothing of value

>>2465513
>fish don't usually die from a fish-in cycle
nevermind the fact that your stupid bacteria supplement costs 5X what the fish did so you didn't save anything.

>>2465513
It puts them under significant stress because they're swimming in increasingly poisonous water for a month.
If you care about the fish you'd use something like that to detoxify the ammonia or do a fishless cycle

>>2465515
>It puts them under significant stress because they're swimming in increasingly poisonous water for a month
it doesn't because the bacteria you add die within 24 hours because of light or lack of ammonia/nitrite.

so your fish suffer through the full cycle anyways. The only one that feels better is you.

>>2465517
I do it fishless because it's cheaper, faster and more humane.
Since you're a cheap asshole just put a raw shrimp in the filter and add fish a month later.

>>2465518
we're not talking about what I do.

we're talking about how bacterial starters don't do anything.

>>2465519
They do more than nothing. There's actually a decent amount of research into it.

>>2465521
>They do more than nothing.
far less than you pretend.
>There's actually a decent amount of research into it.
lol

feel free to post it.

>>2465522
It's mostly people of forums who do their own stuff.
It's still not worth the money since it doesn't do anything in the long term. It's mostly for people who are impatient and don't want their goldfish to die in a week but are okay with it dying by a year.

>>2465529
It's a massively successful multibillion dollar market of a product that does nothing.

nothing more or less.
see also: Herbalife

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Been here for a while but I've yet to see anything interesting here. Are you guys just all talk?

>>2465546
>implying thats yours
>implying I would want a fish tank that i would effectively have to lie on the floor to look at

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>>2465559
Yeah it's not mine. It's my dad's.
It's not looking good right now. I still need chiller and carbon

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What's the biggest poopie you've ever seen your fishies do?

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Tfw I lost track of time while trying to build a filter

It's now 3 am, I have work in the morning, and I'm lying in bed while eating cookies and shit posting.

What the fuck are you guys doing with your lives?

>>2465502
>They might be seeking the warmth of the tv
Dunno why, but of all the text, this is what made me chuckle.

>>2465502
>1.5 - 2 gal spherical tank
You couldn't even fit a single betta in that. Try again.

>>2465587
probably a good 3 incher from my shit factory aka pleco

Anyone keep diamond, pristella, or white skirt tetras?
I'm trying to weigh my options in alternative to neons or glowlights

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>>2465886
I have some of these. They school with the neon tetras I also keep.

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>>2465886
Gold.

>>2465886
I have 3 pristella. Nice, fast, hearty, fairly attractive fish but not very flashy.

>>2463112
It took me a few days but I finally was able to snap a picture of this pleco's mouth. The dorsal fin is not attached to the smaller fin behind it.

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>>2465952
Forgot the pic...

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So I still got a loy of kinks to work out with the filtration, but fish have been added!

It's looking pretty getto at the moment, but I messed up on the sponge filter, so I got some different piping and am letting it cure agai.

Once that's ready and working, I'm going to get it in there and let it run alongside the cycled filter for a few days.

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>>2465983
I also will add some better lights eventually, and dig out my other phone for better pictures.

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>>2465984

>>2465989
What kind of fish did you end up getting?

>>2465499
ease out of filtration. they will kill the live plants when they're co2 starved.

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>>2465530
>that does nothing
The major reason why quick start bacteria do, "nothing" is because 90% of the bottles, bags, etc, are already dead. They are bottled, shipped, and sit on shelves for months. Regardless, bacteria can go dormant and the problem isn't what is in the bottle but how people use it. Most people just dose it straight into the water where it doesn't attach to much and dies in the water column. The proper way to do it is pour it directly onto your mechanical filtration in your filter where it binds to the media. The idea is that adding fish will provide a higher amount of ammonia than a fishless cycle would. The heavier you stock it the more efficiently it works. Fish cycle is a thing. Adding bacteria from a bottle (assuming it's alive) is essentially the same as adding filter media from an established tank. People who are just starting the hobby don't have that option. Just cause you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't real.


Also, r8 my new pico ~2g saltwater tank and my """heavily""" planted 3g w/ 3 female bettas & 1 female guppy.

>>2466084
>Also, r8 my new pico ~2g saltwater tank and my """heavily""" planted 3g w/ 3 female bettas & 1 female guppy.
boring

>>2466090
t. butthurt fishless cycler

Fuck forgot there was a new thread,

So I neglected my tank for a little bit and shit is pretty dirty in there now. I want to clean off the glass really well and as well as wash out the gravel. I was thinking about removing the fish, plants, and other decor and re-doing it. How much water from the tank should I try to keep? Its a 20g

>>2466084
S M A L L
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>>2466139
like 5-10 gallons at the most if you really want to

as long as you don't nuke your substrate and filter media the water doesn't really matter

>>2466149
Define nuking the substrate, I was going to gravel vac the entire surface until the tank was practically empty. Filter media wise I was just going to clean my pre-filter sponge and leave the sponge in the filter it self alone. It's also pretty heavily stocked.

>>2466152
if you're reusing the substrate just give it a rinse and don't boil or bake it or anything

Can tetras and betta fish share a tank?

>>2466168
yes, if

>large enough tank for tetras to avoid betta
>large enough school that no one tetra can be targeted
>well planted or otherwise decorated
>betta is not a huge raging faggot

>>2466165
Alright that's what I figured, thanks.

>>2466084
>Also, r8 my new pico ~2g saltwater tank and my """heavily""" planted 3g w/ 3 female bettas & 1 female guppy.

too small dumbass

>>2466084
>>2466178
sorry sorry i mean

too small dumbass/10

>>2465901
I do quite like the flame tetras, but if any of the LFSs don't have them then I'd have to skip out
the ones I specifically mentioned are what I know for sure I have available
>>2465902
oh really? thats something I might be interested in what little tetras will actually school with each other? I was considering doing neons with glowlights, but I was told they don't really school together

>>2466006
what do you mean by this?
Will these plants really work so well I won't need a filter running at all? Should I just turn it off for a day like once or twice a week?
I am running root tabs if that makes a difference

>>2465993
I got 5 mollies which are gold and black coloring-I'm not sure if that's a type or a mix, 6 black skirt tetra, and 3 female betta.

All is well so far, but I'm keeping an eye on them and preparing re-homing if I have too.

>>2466168
Yea, but it has to be at least a ten gallon, and the betta can't be really aggressive.

I tried my tetras with three of my males, and only one male ignores them. The other two try to hunt them down and kill them.

>>2466084
what do you even keep in a 2g salt?
shrimp? are there salt pea puffers?

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Is he /ourguy/?

>>2466263
tiny hermit crabs.. and hopefully some easy corals eventually

>>2466139
You can do a 100% change. Hardly any bacteria lives in the water column. The majority of bacteria is stuck on your plants, in your filter, and buried under your gravel. Cleaning everything at once is never recommended. Should do a little at a time to prevent disturbing too much or removing too much beneficial bacteria. You may end up with more ammonia than your cleaned aquarium can handle leading to a spike. Try for a 50/50... do half your gravel and 50% WC... leave the filter alone and you can do that last after a week or so.

>>2466296
Doing half the gravel would be kinda counter productive I feel like. If I were to simply gravel vacuum could I just do all of it at once? I do have flourish prime and stability on hand too.

>>2466365
If you're going to completely clean the gravel then shit is going to get stirred no matter what you do. You can completely clean the gravel and do a 100% change to remove all the gross shit out. But you'd be killing off a lot of your bacteria. Your fish might survive and nothing will happen. Depends how hardy they are I guess. Just leave your filter alone for a while like maybe a month?

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My crayfish is the biggest pussy in the world. I bought some nerite snails to help clean up the glass a bit, knowing full well they would probably end up as a snack for my buddy. They end up doing a great job, with the glass, but now he won't go anywhere near his favorite hiding spot because one of the snails likes to hang out there

>>2466420
Put the snail on your crayfish to teach him to not be afraid.

>>2466420
What a cutie :)

>>2466420
You gotta teach him how to eat them bro. I suggest getting a friend to help out with this. You dress up as him, your friend as the snail. Proceed to eat the entrails of your friend while hes watching.

>>2466293
>tiny hermit crabs

You have no clue what you are doing, don't you? Have you even HEARD of a caresheet?

>>2466293
>>2466474
Here, fucking enlighten yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIli7-LiiU

>>2466480
you do realize that fully aquatic hermit crabs are waaaaay different than the kind they sell a dime a dozen out of boxes in pet stores right?

>>2465742
>>2465955
>>2465952
>>2466420
In love

>>2466481
Well I don't know, I guess the dumbass's 3 gallon tank with way too many fucking fish made me think he might be retarded and have a normal hermit crab.

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>>2466474
>>2466480
>>2466484
Honestly can't tell if this is poor attempt at trolling or you're actually clinically retarded. You do realize you're in an aquarium thread, posting a video of a non-aquatic animal. Right?

Maybe you should have googled a bit yourself first before coming into an aquarium thread and being a fucking tool. Do yourself a favor and stop breathing.

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What fruits and veggies will my new red cherry shrimp like? They already love cucumber. When I gave them some sweet bell pepper, they wouldn't eat it. Any specific flavors/textures they enjoy?

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I want to put something in this halp 120gallon tank i think, its got weird dimensions also have magnium 350 filter for it

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wrong pic

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>>2466420
He looks like a bitch boy faggot. Tie him to a balloon to awaken the man inside him.

Building 140 gallon soon lads
Do i go yolo and get Channa barca and a couple of auranti? :v)

i went on vacation a couple of times, usually 2-3 weeks and the fish weren't fed during that time. nothing happened. now last time i was gone for 3 weeks and when i returned my school of panda cories was gone. and i mean gone. no sign of dead fish or a skeleton or something. i just found a single dead cory but it did not show any sign of illness. there are also 10 cherry barbs in that tank a couple of amanos.

wtf happend?

>>2466568
Are you sure they aren't holed up inside a decoration or your filter?

>>2466579
i'm pretty sure. the tank is quite small (30g) and i'v cleaned it yesterday. would have noticed something. but i'll check again tonight

>>2466420
UPDATE: the dude haute molted, so hopefully that's why he was acting like a pussy ass bitch. There's no way I picked the one crayfish that isn't a destructive asshole.

>>2466520
Bamboo shark

>>2466236
back when i was starting my planted tank, my water was literally "too clean" with my heavy filtration (sump filter). my plants started to die and i was dumbfounded when i knew that the co2 starvation was the cause.
as for your setup, i think an overhead filter will just do fine as it is.

>>2466515
>>2466516
What are the dimensions of the glass?

Freshwater or Saltwater/Marine?

Your experience with aquariums?

Need more info plox <3

What are some freshwater fish with unique or interesting behaviors?

>>2466786
My betta enjoys sleeping in the middle of his tank out in the open. He also refuses to explore the inside of his floating log and prefers to squish himself between the log and the wall just to blow a bubble nest.

Does this sound up your alley?

How do you guys do water changes in the winter in terms of getting your replacement water the same temperature as the tank water before you put it in? Do you heat the replacement water on the stove until it's the same temp as the tank?

>>2466819
your house probably has a water heater which can deliver hot or even warm water directly to your faucet.

by taking advantage of this marvelous innovation of the industrial era you can conveniently heat your aquarium water without ever going near that dangerous and nasty stove.

the dimensions are 2ft by 4ft by like 15 inchs but the glass is about an inch thick. I got it at some church id like to do a fresh water tank that doesn't require much maintenance, been looking into self sustaining tanks.

my experience is almost none :D so all this cycle junks new but i understand im just gonna have plants for like 2 months...if what i reads right.
My folks have a really dirty turtle to speed it up maybe but all the cycle stuff seems complicated so i might just let it cycle with a lil fish food idk

>>2466819
I refuse to believe you have access to the internet but not a faucet with warm water capabilities

>>2466828
No filter = no cycle.
Either get a filter or have yourself a 2x4ft glass coffin.
Also learn the difference between "dirty" and "full of beneficial bacterial."

>aquarium gets way too hot during average summer days
>even with the heater unplugged
>look at cooling systems
>crazy expensive
>cut a hole in the lid and mount one of those USB desktop fans in it
>plug fan into a phone charger
>no louder than the splashing from the filter
>temperature drops immediately to 25, which is what the heater was set to
I'm a genius, and I'll accept your applause now.

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>>2466874
Yeah, a real revolutionary idea there bud.

>>2466878
Those are the aquarium fans that cost a fortune. My bargain bin fan works just as well.

>>2466879
Yeah 10 bucks is a fucking fortune bruh.

>>2466879
Post a pic of it.

>>2466867
>>2466822
I don't use the shitty tap water for my aquarium. My tap water is absurdly hard. It's like 600 TDS

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>>2466883
No shop here had one for under 50, and I'm not waiting seven years for ebay to deliver one.
>>2466887

>>2466895
Function over form. Hey, but if it works, who gives a shit? I used a big glass bottle full of cold water to drop the temp slowly in my 55g. I don't have a heater in that aquarium, so I am interested to see what happens in the winter. Probably gonna have to get a couple though.
Now, post fish.

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>>2466895
Kek thats not as nig rigged as I thought it was going to be. I was imagining / hoping for some chop sticks holding a absolute shit fan over the water.
Pic related is 20 bucks on ebay from the US. Ebay is my life broo

>>2466918
It fits pretty firmly, there are three rubber "feet" around the metal on the bottom of the frame, and they're adjustible, so I've tightened them together around the protruding center of the lid. Normally I'd worry about fish jumping through the hole, but I only have angelfish in there and I've never had them jump.

>>2466870
I posted my 350 magnum filter...
their turtles filters been busted for 2 weeks so im pretty sure its dirty...not that its not also full of those nice nitrogen cycle bacts. Fixed theirfilter today actually, i may barrow it when it gets gunked up and import some to the 350 magnium tank...or would that mess up the cycle? would i have to add the turtle contaminants after all the ammonia cycled out the first time?

>>2466819
>matching temperatures
People actually do this? What % WC are you doing that it would make a significant difference? Unless the water you're putting in is boiling hot or ice, or you have a 10g I doubt it matters.

>>2466965
Maybe they're doing that Japanese 200% water change schedule?

Who here /beta/?

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>>2466993
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Was trimming some plants and apparently my cpd have been very busy. It was like a black cloud of these fucking things when I patted the plant down. Managed to catch about 10 with a syringe. Putting them in a jar to see how they do. I was wondering why my fish were so fucking fat. They've been eating babies I guess.

>>2466976
>Japanese 200% water change
wat

>>2467040
How many mm would you estimate their size to be?

>>2467045
You drain all the water, fill the tank back up, then drain all that water too and fill it back up. It cleans the fishes.

>>2466936
Technically you could just use some the rank turtle water, it's full of ammonia which is what you'd use to start cycling tanks from scratch anyway.

>>2466997
I have five.

Two black crown tail males, 3 regular females in a sority tank.

Been trying to find my good camera.

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>>2467057

>>2466997
My king betta is sick but recovering well it seems.

>>2467066
noice
>>2467069
constipation?

>>2467062
isnt turtle water bad weird cause of salmonella.

>>2467104
Salmonella is only bad on humans. Wouldn't affect fish, but obviously don't add them until after it's done cycling

>>2467107
Paratyphoid is bad to any warm blooded creature that eats the fish further down the line.

>>2467108
just wash your hands after touching anything in the tank and don't eat the fish.

>>2467091
A surprising and seemingly random appearance of pop eye and hole in head. His eye has shrunken down a lot and he is not nearly as lethargic as the first day I noticed him. The hole in the side of his face is concerning but seems to be healing ok. It's not growing any bigger and the surrounding area is not white and mucusy. He's also been eating again. The water has been fine, I've had him for over a year, and its poop hasn't been white or stringy so I have no idea how he got sick.

>>2467055
Biggest I've found are around 5mm

>>2467129
>5mm
dicklet

>>2465617
Same as you but building an acrylic hob aquaponic sump 24L x 6.5H x 5W

Kinda new to live aquatic plants and not sure when I should pull the new plants growing on the tips of my windelov Java fern, or if a should at all, and let it fall off itself. Any advice?

>>2466883
Not that guy but mine cost $20 for an array of 6

How the hell do I get my plants to stay in sand?
everytime I turn around these fucking swords I bought are floating at the top of the tank
should I just get more sand? tie them to a large piece of gravel?

>>2467122
I know that feel, I lost a five year old Oscar to hole in the head once. Since then I always put new fish through a quarantine tank, and dose them with antiparasite and antibacterial medicine. They lose some colour, but they get it back after a week in the real tank, and I haven't lost another fish to disease since.

can anyone suggest a good test kit for a 10 gallon?

>>2467386
The cheapest solution would be to tie them on a pice of rock/gravel and burry it.

Got myself 8 neon rainbowfish yesterday for my horribly understocked 55.

7 females and 1 male, not too fussed about him having a harem as the females colour up pretty well too in that species. Next on the list is adding another 4 black ruby barbs and then I'm left scratching my head on what to add after that.

Help, are my neon tetras bullying each other or is it normal behavior?

I got 6 neons in a 10g. I have them for a little more than a week. They always chased each other a little bit, but they didn't hurt each other and I know they did it to establish their hierarchy.
But today they started being much more aggressive. They've been chasing each other non-stop for like an hour or two now. I've noticed that they like to get under each other and "attack" from bellow. It doesn't really look like they are bitting each other though, thankfully. It's more like they want to rub on each other, but I can't easily tell. They zoom around the tank chasing each other and then they get psychical if they manage to corner their "victim." Sometimes the chasing involves more than two fish.
I saw online that this could be mating behavior. Could it be?
Thankfully, none of them have lost any color to signify stress and they don't seem to have any damaged fins. They haven't lost their appetite either, because they will nibble at a flake on the surface if they get a break from the chasing. And while they are all over the place, hardly schooling, they do get into a group if they get scared or something. So I guess that's a good sign?
I changed their food today from crushed up mini wafers to flakes, and soon after I fed them, I noticed the chasing. Is that related?
Also, as I understand, neons will start mating if the temperature drops, however the water is actually hotter today by 1 degree Celsius. Another thing I've heard is that if you want your neons breeding, you gotta simulate moonlight by getting a blue LED at night or something. I've recently started putting a piece of thin blue paper under their light for a few minutes at night before turning off the light completely, because they would freak out if it went completely dark immediately. Related?
I don't have a complete test kit, just a nitrites one, but they are at zero.
Any thoughts?

My new canister filter has a built in UV light. How is the bacteria supposed to establish itself in the filter?

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>>2467425
This is the one you want.

>>2467513
I have 6 neons in a 20g and they do the same thing mostly. I never interpreted the behavior as bullying. It's just general shoaling shenanigans and is totally normal. Also, my neons freak out when i turn the light off too. Totally normal. They all do that. I don't have any experience breeding them so can't help you there, but i have read you're supposed to take a pair and put them in a breeding tank, then keep it dark for a day or so, then do a 50% water change and slowly increase light. There's a lot of info out there about it.

>>2467574
The fighting has ceased for now except for the occasional playful chasing. I guess I freaked out a bit since it's the first time they got so aggressive and consistent with it.
As for taking a pair and putting them in a breeding tank, keeping it dark etc stuff, that's definitely how you successfully breed for fry, but I imagine that the fish will get into a breeding mode regardless, if they feel like it. Even if they don't end up spawning fry they might still try to go for some action, right? Kinda like how dogs will try to hump furniture and people even if that doesn't do anything, I imagine.

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>>2467366
It's my understanding that if you don't pick the baby plants off of java fern, the leaf has a high likelyhood of dying and falling off. So I just pick them off to keep the main plant looking bushy. I tie the babies to wood pieces too

My buce finally arrived. So do I just tie this shit to my driftwood and then that's it?

best way to soften water for a 5 gallon tank?
These pillow softeners seem pretty hit or miss and they are sized for 20 gallon tanks.
Buying Distilled water is expensive and buying a filter system for a 5 gallon seems way over kill.

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>>2467635
>5 gallons of water is expensive
This shit is like $0.35/gallon

>>2467656
>bottled tap water from a machine
>remotely the same as distilled water

>>2467635
I just use the water filter I got for my computer water cooling. It doesn't have any stickers of fish on it, but it's aquarium safe anyway and pretty cheap.

>>2467563
this will come as a great shock to you, but the bacteria in your filter don't come from the water.

>>2467679
So the bacteria is just magically there in the filter already? Neat.

>>2467681
they're on your skin, they're under your fingernails. they live in your shit and they float around in the air.

they're in your canister filter and they're in your ass. they're also in your breakfast cereal and between your dad's toes.

>magically
fuck kids these days are stupid. You should need a license to go online.

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>>2467671

>>2467686
JFC anon, if the filter is brand new, and the only thing that goes into it is water, where the fuck does the bacteria come from?

>>2467671
I don't get this meme. The distilled water in gallon jugs at the grocery store is distilled. It should have almost no minerals or anything. Surely that's good enough.

>>2467687
Okay, fair enough. We have nothing like that in my country. Half of our vending machines just use tap water directly, and the other half just use tap water that's been bottled elsewhere.

>>2467690
Where do you live?

>>2467692
Sweden. Admittedly our tap water is good enough that if I wanted to I could just drill a hole in the side of my tank, and constantly hose in tap water directly to it with no ill effects, but keeping your filter bacteria healthy is pretty nice since you get away with so much fewer water changes that way.

>>2467688
ur mom's dingus

>>2467694
>ur mom's dingus
This is why genuine discussion happens on enthusiast forums, not here.

>>2467695
we can't have discussion, you're retarded.

is there AIR in your filter? then there's also BACTERIA in your filter. unless you sterilize your air? no?

>>2467695
And you are here and not there right now because...?

>>2467696
No there is no air in my fucking canister filter.

>>2467698
I wonder that more and more with each passing day.

>>2467699
>No there is no air in my fucking canister filter.
what was in it before the water?
the cold sterile vacuum of space?

like I said, you're retarded.

>>2465497
>>2465498
Throw him in m8, I'm not a fish expert but I've had tons of tanks in my life and I've never cycled or anything and 90% of the time my fish are fine.

>>2467700
>he lives in such squalid conditions as to have nitrifying bacteria in his air
Ok.

>>2467703
>he doesn't know nitrifying bacteria are literally everywhere

>>2467040
cpd?

>>2467706
My original question was about the UV light in my filter. I'll just turn it off for a few days so the bacteria can colonize.

>>2467714
yes, your question has been answered.
nitrifying bacteria were introduced to your filter before you filled it with water, and unless you used chlorinated water they're still there.

how do you think tanks cycle? If the water is chlorinated it has no bacteria in it. Where does that bacteria come from?

I mean aside from retards like you that probably buy it in bottles, where do you suppose nitrifying bacteria come from? Does God put them in your filter?

>>2467716
Since it was brand new, I washed it out with hot water from the tap. I set it up and the next thing that was in it was water from the aquarium. My aquarium already was cycled, and I was curious about the bacteria entering the filter when the UV is on. I added a bottle of bacteria months ago when I first started the aquarium, way before I got the canister filter. I'm going to turn off the UV light and squeeze one of my sponge filters next to the intake. Hopefully that will introduce bacteria to the new filter.

>>2467723
I'm not that whiny cunt you're arguing with, but UV sterilizers only sterilize the surface of the water if it's moving. It won't harm the beneficial bacteria housed in the filters

>>2467672
what filter are you using?

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>>2467723
>Hopefully that will introduce bacteria to the new filter.
they're already there, they have been since you rinsed it.

but do your silly little retard rituals if you must.

you don't have to turn off the UV though, the biofilm particles off a filter pad are too large for the UV to effectively sterilize.

but science be dammed! it's all fucking magic!

you really are way too stupid for this board.

>>2467725
>UV sterilizers only sterilize the surface of the water
sage advice from someone that has never owned a UV sterilizer.

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>>2467725
I think I will just turn off the UV as the filter looks like this.

>>2467723
>>2467725
This. Pretty sure UV is mostly for algae n stuff. Beneficial bacteria won't be affected. Plus not a lot of bacteria lives in the actual water. Once some slips through and binds to the media inside it'll stay there and multiply.

When you have a long tank (4 foot), and you have a filter on one side of it, does it get enough circulation going to reach the other side of the tank?

I was trying to make a sponge filter, but it isn't working well. I wanted to use an extending pipe to lead th output water down to the other side of the tank, but I can bare get a trickle from it with juat the basic set up.

So I do have a regular store bought filter meant for a 20-30 gallon tank that I'm thinking of using, and I can actually just put that in the middle of the tank maybe.

I only have about 30 gallons in the tank and two amall schools, plus a bunch of live plants and pothos, so I can't imagine the water getting too toxic, but I'm concerned about the circulation.

Especially because I have three bettas as well, and can't have the flow be too strong.

>>2467742
>Pretty sure UV is mostly for algae n stuff.
another moron that has never owned UV.

it's a fucking moron picnic today.

>>2467740
you aren't concerned they don't know how to spell "impurities,"
and call nitrifying bacteria "nitrifying?"

I guess, it's your type of filter.

>>2467747
That isn't the filter I got, just an diagram I found.

>>2467747
autocorrect won't even let me make fun of them
"Nutrifying"

fucking nutrifying bacteria

>>2467743
>When you have a long tank (4 foot), and you have a filter on one side of it, does it get enough circulation going to reach the other side of the tank?
Yes. Real question is, how long does it take to do that?
Look at your filter's gallons per hour rate to find out.

>>2467748
a diagram*
Gotta correct myself before this nitpicking nigger does it for me.

>>2467748
did your filter come with directions how to get bacteria past the UV light?

you know why it didn't? because the bacteria don't come from the water, and filter manufacturers know this.

>>2467744
Enlighten us with your wisdom, kid.

>>2467751
>Gotta correct myself before this nitpicking nigger does it for me
I don't correct the mentally handicapped, there is no point.

>>2467752
(you)

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What do you think of my tank guys

>>2467755
Yet you just corrected the diagram I posted... Real telling.

>>2467732
It only sterilizes the surface when water is rushing past it

>>2467757
Understocked.

>>2467757
Severely understocked and colorless.

>>2467754
UV sterilizes flow from the water column, it's mounted underwater in a pipe.

It kills bacteria on the first pass, that's what it was designed and invented for. It may also kill algae if the flow is slow enough or the alga passes the lamp repeatedly. Likewise it can kill other larger organisms such as microscopic animals and such, but this also requires either slowing the flow, increasing the light dose, or using multiple passes.

UV kills bacteria in the water column. It might or might not kill algae depending how you set it up.

>>2467758
I didn't but you're not smart enough to catch that.

>>2467757
>keeping glofish without clown vomit gravel
What kind of retard are you? Those poor fish!

>>2467759
>It only sterilizes the surface when water is rushing past it
I don't think you even know what a UV sterilizer is.

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>>2467761
Doesn't UV simulate sunlight?
And isn't sunlight what makes algae grow?

>>2467768
Yellow, red and blue light does. UV is too energetic to be used in photosynthesis.

>>2467761
Not much beneficial bacteria lives in the water column anyways. So it seems if set up correctly it'd be worth it but sounds complicated enough to make most not bother. Obviously some get through hitching rides on large debris and my point was once even a little bacteria gets through and into the filter media its gg.

>>2467757
>just glow my shit up fa.m

>>2467750
Huh

Well shit anon, I don't have the box anymore. Alright, I'll just put it in the middle of the tank.

I'm thinking about replacing the inside parts with regular sponge because the inside...whatever that's called is in pretty bad shape for how new it is. When I went to rinse it, stringy pieces were coming off and it looks tor up.

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>>2467763
No, Sir I put the gravel in my ramhorn snail tank.

>>2467780
Why not get two? Over filtration is best filtration

>>2467768
>>2467771
Yeah, it's like your eyes. You can't see UV, and neither can plants.

I have been waiting for my tank to become filled with pond snails with the intention of adding assassin snails. I was able to count about 50 snails. Is it time to introduce assassin snails or should I wait long?

>>2467757
Did you buy all the cancerfish the store had?

>>2467793
Don't add an assassin snail unless you have the consistency of about 27 snails per gallon, or else your assassin is going to starve. Those numbers only work if you only plan on having one assassin snail, of course. Multiply those numbers by the number of assassins you want to house.

>>2467800
Shit, I guess I got a while to wait then.

>>2467786
Not a bad idea.

>>2467757
nice catfish

>>2467790
However apparently some insects and crustaceans can see UV

>>2467713
Celestial Pearl danio/galaxy rasbora

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Overnight fin rot outbreak. All the CPD seem effected. I've already dosed with API fin&body cure ( Doxycycline Hyclate). Is there anything else I can do? What temperature should I set the Aquarium to?

>>2467848
OMG guy, so sorry about your fin rot, but what is that red plant? I NEED ONE!

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>>2467856
It's a reinecki plant from PetSmart. It comes in one big bundle but just separate the plantlets and plant with some space in between. They fill out fast.

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>>2467856
Another shot.

>>2467848
I don't know much about treating illness but I've read using chemicals shouldn't be your first choice. The bacteria might adapt to it.

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>>2467856
They don't need a ton of light but if they have too little their stems get long and unsightly as they try to reach for the light. Pic related is aftermath of algae outbreak that blocked off light for like 2 weeks

>>2467889
Yeah I usually try not to but the issue is that if the rot reaches the base of the tail the fish dies. And this stuff is moving really fast so I didn't want to chance anything.

>>2467816
They're adapted to it. It's like how close to the surface algae is green, because it has adapted to take in red and blue light, reflecting the green, while algae living at greater depth is red, because it has adapted to take in blue and green light instead, since these are more energetic and penetrate water better. The reason surface algae doesn't take in green light is because adapting its photosynthesis to do so would be a waste of resources compared to the extra energy. Our eyes are adapted to hunt during daylight, during which red, green and blue are sufficient colours. Night-time predators adapt to see RGB less well, but in return see any light better, giving them good grayscale vision without sunlight. Snakes are ambush predators, so they don't need vision as much. They instead rely on vibrations, and special "nostrils" modified to detect infrared, letting them basically smell heat.

Anyone here got experience using API General Cure and the effects it has on beneficial bacterial?

Ive been thinking about fish for my tank, since my cycle should be nearing completion
My water is really hard and alkaline, somewhere in the neighborhood of 200ppm GH and ~8pH
so two-fold question: what are some good fish for a 10g tank that like hard water or how do I soften my water to make it more bearable for whatever else


bonus dumbass question: When I buy these little bunches of plant are they okay to leave the rubber band on and just stick the whole thing in? I say little but the plant has a pretty sturdy stem and fairly large

>>2467983
>the effects it has on beneficial bacterial?
you're asking a group of people that believe UV sterilizers have no effect on beneficial bacteria. Don't get your hopes up.
>>2468026
hardness and pH don't matter unless you're breeding animals.

>never done a water test
>never used any products/medicines in my water besides dechlorinator
>exclusively use cheap flake food

>never had a fish (or plant) die
>never had fin rot
>never had any diseases or health issues period
>even had some accidental breeding going on

anybody elses experience like this? my tank has been running strong for over 2 years now with zero issues.

>>2468066
>finally get water test kit after months of listening to advice in /aq/
>all readings normal

why do some people not like carbon filters? i'm a beginner and my aquarium came with a filter system/pump and carbon filters. what's the pros and cons of those, and what's the best filter medium?

i've seen a lot of videos where they just use sponges and scrub pads from the grocery store

>>2468066
There's a lot of science behind aquariums, but people really over complicate how easy it is to actually take care of freshwater aquariums. Saltwater is a bit more complicated if you're planning on keeping any decent fish. But even then it's just more time spent.

>>2468128
If you don't have any live plants you're fine using it. It mostly leeches stuff out of the water that algae would use, but it stops after a while and you have to replace it. What type of filter do you have? A lot of those videos you've been watching are correct. The only necessary filtration you need is mechanical. A sponge or sponge-type media that catches particles in the water.

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>>2468128
carbon is hard

Is low-iron glass really worth the added cost?

>>2468178
depends. You really need the lighting and space to show it off. Also make sure you go rimless. I have a starphire with rims and it doesn't look all that amazing.

but under good lights they're very nice. Experienced aquarists will admire your taste and pocketbook. Non-aquarists will just think you have a particularly nice looking tank.

also kinda depends how deep your pockets are. If buying one means you won't have any cheese on your macaroni this year then it's not really worth it. If the price doesn't bother you then hell yes, they're very nice.

>>2468146
>The only necessary filtration you need is biological.

FTFY.

It's just that mechanical tends to also double as extra biological (e.g. a sponge filter). But there are certainly cases where there may be no mechanical filter and the tank is still very healthy with a bio filter, e.g. a Walstad tank or an algae scrubber tank. The mechanical part really only serves to protect your bio filter.

>>2468128
The reason why a LOT of experienced fishkeepers don't use it is because it's pretty useless for someone who does regular tank maintenance, i.e. you do water changes and use water conditioner.

Practically anything carbon does, water conditioner + regular water changes does better. You can't rely on carbon to remove harmful chemicals as it is way too slow at doing it while conditioner takes seconds.

I do run carbon against tannins however, as doing water changes + carbon is obviously going to be at least a little faster than water changes alone (then take it out once the water is clear).

>>2468178
No, it's dumb as shit. Get acrylic if you're not afraid to spend a little cash on a tank. Clearer than low-iron, much better insulation, much easier to buff out scratches, stronger, lighter.

Also, neither acrylic nor low-iron is really worth it in a small tank.

Guys, I need a completely submersible light that's good for plants.

For certain reasons I can't have an overhead light and it's dark.

>>2468186
>>2468178
I should add that I do actually have a 12G hex acrylic tank so I know from experience that the acrylic on such a small scale is really underwhelming.

Although it is pretty cool how indestructible and light this thing is (but really I only noticed that when it was empty and I was tossing it around; literally because it is that strong).

At minimum I probably would do nothing under a 40G breeder for either low-iron or acrylic.

>>2468187
Interesting dilemma. All the underwater light strips I see being sold are pretty much decor only. You might be a pioneer here. Let us know what you find and how it turns out.

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I still miss him, guys ;_;

>>2467757
>>2467796
I'm thinking that is actually a store tank lol

>>2468193
Dam

Well I'm looking at these at the moment:

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Aquarium-Fish-Tank-9-12-15-21-Blue-White-LED-Light-18-28-38-48CM-Bar/1849119_32453046851.html

>>2468194
Just fuck my shit up senpai ;_;

>>2468202
you can always not be a lazy fuck and do some soldering and make your own

>>2468183
>no cheese on my macaroni for a year
I was hoping a 75 gallon wouldn't cost that much!

>>2468222
I'm seeing them online for $650-$850

I don't know if that's a lot to you.

>>2468216
Why is buying pre-made lights lazy?

Smarter, not harder anon.

>>2468228
Doable, but I would have to save up for it. It's either a nice one brand new or keep my eyes open on CL for a deal on a used one.

>>2468232
I got mine used off a buddy, it's just an ugly old 65g. He gave it to me free because he was tired of reefkeeping. I've thought about pulling the rims off it but it's pretty scratched up so I think I'd rather get a different tank than mess with it.

but anyways, yeah you might find one floating around. They got really popular in saltwater about 10 years ago so there's quite a few out there.

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Any tips on cutting acrylic? I keep trying to cut this for a corner filter but it snaps and breaks. I'm using an acrylic scoring knife.

>>2468256
I use a fine-tooth hacksaw if I want a clean edge or a hot knife if the edge doesn't matter. I also like to put a strip of tape down and draw my lines on that so I get fewer burrs and chips.

>>2468230
Then describe your niche situation instead of proving no useful information.

>>2468262
>guy has money
>buys lights
>????

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>>2468262
But why do you need information to tell someone what types of lights are submersible?

I'm thinking you just want to argue. I mean, that's real sweet, but there's better ways to come onto someone.

Smarter, not harder anon.

>>2468150
Not that same anon, but I'm curious now
I have a planted tank thats cycling and my filter is the marineland penguin 100
should I just outright toss the carbon filter and replace it with something else?
suggestions?

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What are some /aq/ approved TooToob channels?

>>2468349
Dustins fish tank

>>2468194
He has inspired me to get my own Arowana
I'm years away from being able to even think about caring for one but when I feel I can handle it I want to do it.

>2 weeks since I set up my tank
>No algae yet
>Not even tank starting algae
>Plants aren't melting

Am I out of the woods yet?

>>2468349
Dendrochirus zebra and Kaimuki Backyard.

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I've suddenly taken an interest in axolotls and i'm considering getting one. Does anyone here own any? I would like to know what methods you use to keep the proper water temperature.

>>2468653
water chiller

>>2468564
Fishless? Fish cycling?
Adding any food/ammonia?
What type of water are you using?

Assuming you have a properly set up planted tank you can add fish day 1. Planted tanks never really cycle like nonplanted tanks.

>>2468720
>Planted tanks never really cycle like nonplanted tanks
Explain please. I thought that plants were there to uptake the nitrate from the end of the cycle.

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anyone /discus/ here?

>>2468653
An aquarium fan above the water.

>>2468724
they also consume ammonia and nitrite

so the anon is correct. If you have a shitload of plants, very very few fish, and a large amount of water circulation around the roots, your tank may not cycle normally.

Nobody here has those particular conditions though, so he's just talking out his ass.

in fact what /aq/ does is pretty much the opposite- they usually have soils and fertilizers that release ammonia and other nitrogen compounds into the water, so not only are the plants not consuming much nitrate &etc from the water column, but the aquarist is actively adding more than the plants can consume.

despite the silly belief that their plants are consuming it as quickly as a biofilter does.

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>1st posting on /an/
You guys have seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn8-Cvw-3e4

This guy's channel was recommended to me.
Isn't it the most pathetic thing you've ever seen?
Or am I just an asshole who doesn't understand the bond of a married man and his fish?

>>2468774
You're a faggot

>>2468307
>why should I give you more information when I'm asking for help
>complains about arguing
>proceeds to argue
Stop

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>>2468774
>Isn't it the most pathetic thing you've ever seen?
yeah,
I think the guy is
1. an idiot pretending to be an expert
2. pretty fucking gay

however this also describes everyone here so it's not polite to dwell on it.

Just got a 10 gallon with a dwarf Gaurami and 3 mollies. Started off fine but the Gaurami is now being a dick to the mollies. One of them has some fine nipping even. Will the mollys eventually learn to leave him alone or is this gonna be a problem? Any other suggestions? I'm going back to the LFS later this week to buy more fish

>>2468791
Gourami are aggressive fish. It's probably going to kill them,

>>2468791
a 20 gallon is the minimum for most mollies and many gourami need much larger your either bait of stupid which species of gourami do you have? you didnt really think you could buy and stock that tank with more fish did you dumbfuck? Heres my tip do some research before throwing your money away for the lulz

>>2468725
No fuck your overpriced pussy meme fish

>>2468793
I did do research and what I found was that they were peaceful
>>2468800
What the fuck are you even trying to say

>>2468804
Dwarf Gourami are fine, they will eat fry tho. Mine let's me touch him.

>>2468805
So his nipping is harmless? Will they learn to just avoid him?

>>2468804
>What the fuck are you even trying to say
he's saying you have too many fish already.

>>2468804
>I did do research and what I found was that they were peaceful
They have the same temperament of a male betta. They'll fuck up pretty much anything with longish fins, and some will just fuck up anything

>>2468810
Fuck. Should I look into tetras instead?>>2468808
The retard doesn't even know my setup so I'll ignore him

>>2468791
You might just need some more decorations or something, places to hide or something to block their line of sight. Post your tank.

>>2468812
>The retard doesn't even know my setup so I'll ignore him
that's the spirit!
lol

>>2468804
My dwarf gourami chases my corydoras around time to time and makes them fuck off when he wants to eat their food.

>>2468821
I have some cories and he ignores them

Why do so many people shove mollies into small tanks? Why not just get any of the dozens of tetras or rasboras or danios that can be stocked semi-comfortably.

And yeah, 10g is probably the minimum for a the small dwarf gouramis, although argument might be made that you could keep a single in a 5.5 like we do bettas?

>>2468823
Honestly I might give away the mollies and get tetras. I fucked up and listened to the worker at the LFS

>>2468823
some of the very small gouramis yes that's probably possible yeah i don't know why people put them in such small tanks I got like five in a 40 gallon

>>2468827
yeah your a fucking retard they are like car salesman your just money to them dumbass the gourami may not even be super aggresive he just feels like he has no room because three equal sized fucks are in a bathtub with him

>>2468835
Why do you shitpost on the aquarium section of an animal board on a Taiwanese crop rotation website

>>2468827
I have five mollies, six black skirts, and three betta in a 4 foot long tank, and I still feel like I'm pushing it a bit. The bioload is fine, but watching them and watching how closely they all tend to swim together, I can't help but get a cramped feeling.

I added more plants and wood so they have more spots to go into, and I think it helped a bit, but yea...people underestimate how small a ten gallon space can be. Especially when you consider that the fish are going to be living their whole lives there. I mean, one could argue they aren't that smart, but still.

I have never seen bettas so active and hunting and acting natural, as I have when they are in bigger tanks.

>>2465546
I do. Lot of plants. Keeping the more obscure species. Then also breeding egg scattering fish. Then some invert breeding which is easy but I'm keeping wild caught species only.

>>2468779
I just asked for submersible lights. You don't need to know someones tank set-up to tell them what type of lights are submersible.

I mean, I found some, I don't need help anymore, but I just found it funny that he wanted to argue over such a thing.

>>2468841
Do you understand what a shit post is you newfag?

>>2467848
Keep water clean by doing water changes every other day.

>>2468853
(you)

>>2468044
UV sterilizers do not affect beneficial bacteria. If beneficial bacteria were in the water column then yes it would.

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>>2468851
I'm using the free lights that came with my 60 gallon. When I too off they're fully submerged. This tank has been running for almost a year.

>>2468864
You don't happen to remember the brand name do you? I still haven't ordered anything yet.

I think my Oscar is depressed. When it's feeding time he swims around and is as active as ever, and he doesn't look sick in any way, but whenever I leave the room for an hour or two I'll come back to find him floating right next to the filter inlet, often with his tail sucked right up to it, or I'll find him laying on the substrate among some plants.
Is there such a thing as fish toys I could get him?

>>2468878
I would check your water quality and check online for illnesses before assuming he's depressed. If everything looks good, then look into some toys or something.

>usual recommended algae eaters
>plecos, shrimp, snails, chinese/japanese algae eater
>no one ever mentions mollies

Goddamn, they are voracious. My tank is sparkling, and I have to supplement with algae wafers.

>>2468913
My water is fine, and I haven't noticed anything about him to indicate a disease. Other than neon tetra disease, which sometimes makes the fish "sluggish" before it dies, but I don't think that's what this is.
>>2468916
>chinese/japanese algae eater
Chinese Algae Eater will kill anything remotely its size, and the Flying Fox only rarely eats algae. Siamese Algae Eater (Siamensis) is the one you want, these fuckers voraciously devour all algae.

>>2468878
you're anthropomorphizing. This is normal fish behavior.

>>2468919
I know, but it doesn't seem normal for fish to let their tail fins be sucked up against a filter outlet.
Or is this like masturbating to them?

>>2468923
it's normal for them to be lazy, and it's pretty lazy to let the current hold you in place.

If he's active and fine at feeding time I wouldn't worry about him. He's probably "bored," as in lacking stimulation, but for an animal lacking stimulation can be a very good thing. Most of the stimulation they get in the wild is negative, so you're probably not going to produce overwhelming happy feelings by providing stimulation.

Personally I'd probably buy him some fish to hunt and kill, but that's just me. Others here will hate that idea.

>>2468925
I feed him convict cichlids every now and then. I have a breeding pair in a smaller tank, and any fry that get to around tetra size get to become live food.
Even if I were the richest man alive I'd quickly run out of money if I were to just get new tanks to host each new pair of convicts, so keeping them isn't an option, and local demand for young fish isn't sufficient to hoist off all of them, so letting them be food beats just flushing them all.

>>2468927
those are probably the best toys he could get.

other than that a laser pointer can be fun.

>>2468932
Holy shit he loves my laser pointer.
I never considered this, thank you anon.

>>2468935
you're welcome

>>2468769
Get a load of this guy. You should see my earlier post of people who think aquariums are overly complicated. Wow, putting plants in an aquarium. So hard, how will I manage?

Fuck off retard elitist fag.

>>2468939
he's not wrong though

>>2468917
>Chinese Algae Eater will kill anything remotely its size
Remember to properly feed your fish. They only suck onto fish when their diet is deficient in protein

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>>2468802
poorfag is mad, bow down to your discus overlord

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>>2468951
>imblying

>>2468942
Good post.

+1

>>2468917
>Chinese Algae Eater will kill anything remotely its size
if you starve it retard

>>2468917
>and the Flying Fox only rarely eats algae.
if you dont starve it retard

>>2468917
>Siamese Algae Eater (Siamensis) is the one you want, these fuckers voraciously devour all algae.
fake news retard, when it gets older it starts to do jack shit

i have no breeder box and my shrimpment came in today

wtf do i do, i dont really have a temporary refuge
they're still looking cute in their bag

>>2468982
is the water blue?

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Does anybody else watch their tank via webcam and silently judge them?

>>2468983
it's not

>>2468986
I use a 200mW 5.8GHz FPV radio camera, but yes. Simple 5V camera plugged into a clipped off USB cable for power.

I like to imagine that if someone flies their drone near me, their camera will cut out and they'll instead get to watch some adorable fishies while their aerial menace crashes and burns.

>>2468988
do you have a large glass jar?

>>2468989
That's a normal thing to imagine.

>>2468994
i have a 1 gallon, but it won't have a filter.
i planned to put the shrimp into my only functioning aquarium, but i have no in-tank containment to put them in.

>>2468870
I think they're marineland.

>>2469004
Just drop an airstone in and do frequent water changes.

>>2468916
I put a guppy in my 5g that had algae issues it had long green shits for like a week straight. Swear those shits were like 5 inches had to siphon em out.

>>2469004
why do you want to contain them in the aquarium?

new fish autism containtment zone

>>2469019
>>2469019
>>2469019

>>2467757
>no glo gravel
>no uv lamp
>no plastic colorful neon glowing plants with shard edges
Fucking pleb