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Come Get Your Mantids Edition

This is the invertebrate general. If you have any questions about invertebrates, want to look into owning one or more, or want to simply discuss them, this is the thread to do so, whether its

>Tarantulas and other spiders
>Myriapods
>Mollusks
>Crustaceans
>Insects
>Or anything without a backbone

Feel free to post it.

Resources/help and information

>Tarantulas
https://tomsbigspiders.wordpress.com/beginner-guides/
>Mantids
http://www.mantisonline.eu/index.php?lan=en


Discord
https://discord.gg/g59mdCa

old thread >>2389925
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>>2399967
More links for the next OP

>Phasmids
http://www.phasmatodea.com/web/guest/home
(caresheets are in Miscellaneous > Phasmid breeding > Care Sheets)
(general info is in Miscellaneous)

>Tarantula care sheets
http://www.theraphosidae.be/en
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>>2399967
I made a thread >>2400007

I was instructed to come here, does anybody know what type of spider this is?
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>>2400029
check your thread.
Kukulcania hibernalis
southern house spoder
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>>2400029
Location?

>>2400034
Are you sure? That's a male in the image and they don't seem to have iridescence. Definitely something closely related though.
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>>2400038
>Are you sure?
yeah, it's just the lighting. They're pretty reflective.

here's a pic off google with similar lighting.
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>>2400038
>That's a male in the image
it's actually the female, but I understand why you'd think that.

the males are tiny and look like brown recluses. This pic is a male.
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>>2400034
>>2400038
>>2400043
Thank you very much, glad it is friendly
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My M. balfouri male that had his ultimate molt 3 weeks ago refuses to eat. Should I be worried?
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>>2400047
you're very welcome. Nice pics.
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>>2400013
Sweet. I'll make sure they're in our next OP
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theres a big huntsman in my kitchen and its pretty chill so ive been smiling at it whenever i see it to let it know i dont wanna start trouble

does it understand me smiling at it or does it think im an autist?
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>>2400116
It's a spider m8, it doesn't think anything.
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>>2400116
Even if it had the proper amount of neurons to be able to judge you for your autism, it can only see four inches in front of its face.

The most a tarantula is capable of thinking is whether or not another animal is either a.) food, b.) a threat, or c.) a beneficial partner/harmless

Do you have pics of it?
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>>2400132
>>2400116
Whoops, I read tarantula instead fo hunstman.

Oh well. Point still stands.
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>>2400132
>don't talk to me or my daughter ever again
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Is it already time? What's his game plan?
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My Camponotus nicobarensis colony is growing pretty nicely. The Queen has started laying big batches of eggs.

I'm hoping the colony will be about a thousand strong by the end of the year.
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>>2400153
Pic related was all they had about 2 months ago.
For a Camponotus spec. they grow really fast.
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>>2400153
>>2400155
Also a pic with better lighting because why not.
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>>2400048
I never worry about my tarantulas not eating unless it's months. Even then, as long as they don't get a shriveled abdomen you're probably fine. Just provide fresh water. He's gonna want it.
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>>2400147
That spider looks comfy.
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>>2400153
How big does a formicarium have to be to hold such a colony? What do you even do in case it's getting overpopulated?
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>>2400171
Usually, if they start filling up one formicarium, you introduce them to another to expand into. Judging from the printer marks, it looks like he has an Antscanada hybrid nest, in which case they're designed to be connected via tubing to other nests, outworlds, or whatever you want. Just need to hook it up and the little dudes will explore and expand to their hearts content.
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>>2400172
Do they have some limit to their population or could you expand it into a 20 formicarium supercolony?
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>>2400160
I know I shouldn't worry, but he's a male, and that small butt makes me uncomfortable.
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>>2400171
>What do you even do in case it's getting overpopulated?

Adding more enclosures and nests with TUUUUUUBES.

>>2400175
>Do they have some limit to their population or could you expand it into a 20 formicarium supercolony?

Depends on the species and how many Queens they have. The population for Camponotus nicobarensis is usually anywhere around 100k to a few million in supercolonies with a lot of Queens.
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>>2400192
I've got a Tapinoma Sessile queen whose first workers are just about ready to pop out, so I need to finish up their outworld asap. That colony is gonna explode, I'm actually a bit worried about how I'm going to keep them all contained. The little bastards are escape artists.
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>>2400201
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>>2400204
So what you're saying is that I should set my minions free, and become the ant lord of California?
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>>2400172
>Antscanada hybrid nest
Not AC, small german manufacturer.
AC is way too overpriced and the shipping costs are insane.

Still wanna get a 3D printer of my own eventually but gonna wait till they're cheaper and better.

>>2400201
>I'm actually a bit worried about how I'm going to keep them all contained. The little bastards are escape artists.

Yeah one of the reasons why I'm not a fan of tiny ant species.

Maybe you should try to find a bigger species like Formica spec. or Camponotus spec.
Their development is a bit slower but they're way more fun to watch and easier to contain.
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>>2400215
Yes.
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>>2400216
I've been trying man, but have had no luck this year. I'd love something a bit bigger.

Dream capture would be a Bull Ant from Australia, but they're not native to the US, unfortunately. I love the look of those things, although I know they'd be a bitch to keep, what with the excellent vision and poisonous sting.

Mind linking where you got the formicarium? AC is indeed overpriced, so an alternative would be great.
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>>2399967
>ever trusting fucking ayylmaos without an internal skeleton
REEEEEEEEEEEE GET THE FUCK OFF MY PLANET
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>>2400291
>I've been trying man, but have had no luck this year. I'd love something a bit bigger.

I don't see the problem you're from Cali you have exotic ant species out the ass.
I'd really like a Myrmecocystus spec. their Queens actually sell for several hundred € here in Germany.

>Dream capture would be a Bull Ant from Australia.
Oh yeah Aussies have some pretty cool Ant species too. Shame about their strict wildlife laws.

>Mind linking where you got the formicarium? AC is indeed overpriced, so an alternative would be great.

Sorry don't think German ant shops ship to the US. They're pretty much EU only.

Think you either gotta buy a 3D printer or build some other form of nest.
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So much for sharing.
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>>2400450
Yeah, they don't actually share. They just eventually get too tired to continue running away. Or one sneaks up and the other one doesn't notice the extra SUCC
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>>2400201
I have a Tapinoma sessile colony and they're not very picky about housing. Mine are rather fond of living in their tubing, so I just have that attached to a small outworld and a water filled test tube.
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My freshly molted G. pulchra, the adult colours are finally showing.
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>>2400845
Beautiful. I have to get one of those, eventually. Maybe this saturday at the expo, if I can find one. What's her temperament? Is she getting calmer as she grows?
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Does anyone keep pet jumping spiders? Are they cool?
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>>2400845
purdy gurl
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>>2400851
She's a little skittish, but still relatively calm compared to my other T's. I've never seen her kicking hairs.
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>>2400853
Yes. Yes.

What do you want to know?
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>>2399967
Someone suggested I ask here

Can anyone tell me what spider this is? I have no idea
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>>2400890
Location? Size?
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>>2400892
Southern US.

Around 0.65-85 inches in body length. Tail end is 0.50 exact.
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>>2400890
we just did one of these
>>2400043
>Kukulcania hibernalis
southern house spoder
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>>2400894
female again
literally already itt
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>>2400895
Thank you
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>>2400894
In that case, what he said >>2400895

Funny, two in a row. Seems like they're on the move right now.
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>>2400899
You're welcome
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>>2400900
>Seems like they're on the move right now.
it's that time of year.

next we get fledgling birds and then giant water bugs
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>>2400898
The males don't look like a recluse but those girlies sure do. If it weren't for eye placement and mandibles it would be the spitting image of one.
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>>2400904
erm

I think you're mixing up the sexes
the females are black and huge

the males are brown and tiny. The males are the ones mixed up with recluses most often.

you're right about the eyes though. I may have taught you that trick.

also t rex had scales and check out my 1000g saltwater fish tank.
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>She's already begun covering up her hidey hole
>Still only does a half ass job

That's my girl
Looks like pre-molt is coming along faster than I thought. I initially gave her around three months, but now it seems it may be quicker. Are we looking at a month here, or what should I expect?
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>>2400907
How big is she?

Also lazy animals are adorable for some reason.
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>>2400904
Other way around. Also, the pedipalps are by far the easiest way to tell. Even in a really shitty picture you can tell a Kukulcania apart from a recluse by the palps.
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>>2400914
I'd say her legspan is around 3.5'

And yes, she's an adorably lazy little girl, though when she is active, she does weird stuff, and even then she's lazy.

All four corners of that enclosure are partially dug out. Whenever she comes out of her burrow, she goes to a corner and starts digging if it hasn't been dug up already/my moisturizing of the tank hasn't washed her work back in. She then curls up in the hole and chills there. Thing is, she only ever digs about an inch or two before she tires of it and snuggles up in the hole. Pic related.

I don't know why she does it , but it amuses me.
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>>2400918
Oh, so she's not very big yet. In that case she should molt a lot sooner than 3 months. More like 1 month probably.
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>>2400926
Boy oh boy

Did anyone else stress this hard when their first T had their first molt? I know she's no blondi so I shouldn't be so scared, but I've still been waiting with baited breath for the past two months. She hasn't eaten anything save maybe one roach since I got her, and so I've suspected her to be in pre for awhile. When it was finally confirmed i nearly jumped out of my skin.
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>>2400927
>Did anyone else stress this hard when their first T had their first molt?
Oh yes, very much. Don't worry too much though, everything will be fine. Also you can look forward to a freshly molted, bigger spider and that's always exciting, not only the first time.
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Got my leaf cutters - Acromyrmex octospinosus.
>pic related
Have Camponotus habereri, Lasius niger, Lasius flavus, Pogonomex Rugosus but she has now eaten all of her daughters (She was founding, had 3 daughters but not anymore. She ate her brood as well). and a species of Crematogaster. Am going to downsize soon just to my habereri and flavus. Keeping my Acro's with my parents now as am moving out and won't have space for them.

Am thinking of getting some meat ants though as made quite an extensive plaster of paris formicarium. Initially designed it for honey pots but they're quite hard to come by.
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>>2400947
Don't leafcutter colonies get like super huge though?
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>>2400955
Acormyrmex spec. colonies get huge but manageable.

Atta spec. on the other hand..
>Pic related
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>>2400867
Mostly cage setup and if you can keep them in groups (of the same species of course). Also can you buy them online or do you just have to get lucky and find them outside?
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can someone identify this bug please
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>>2401126
Some kind of rove beetle, family Staphylinidae I assume.

Ontholestes cingulatus possibly? Quality is crap.
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>>2401136
>Ontholestes cingulatus
pretty sure you got it in one, nice going and thanks! my curiosity is satisfied, and the bug was put outside
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>>2401109
They need a lot more room than you'd expect from an arboreal tarantula for example. I have mine in 20x20x30cm terrariums, but a slightly smaller box should be fine. 15x10x20cm still sounds alright. Other than that, just an arboreal setup with a few thin branches, maybe a fake or real plant. They don't need a hide, they build one themselves, but they like to have leaves as anchor points.

I wouldn't chance it to keep them in groups. They have very good eyes and would see each other constantly and that stresses them out. Males especially, but even my females threaten their reflection in a mirror. If you put them in multiple boxes make sure to block line of sight between them too. Also they seem to prefer to go for large prey, including stuff larger than themselves.

And yes, you can occasionally buy them online. Hyllus and Phidippus species usually. If you're in the southern US you have wild Phidippus, which are great since they get quite large (for a jumping spider).
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Anyone going to the hamburg reptile expo in pa this weekend? Looking to pick up some new bugs. Preferably mantids or large beetles.
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>>2401227
>read Hamburg
>wait what, there's an expo this weeked?
>read further
>Hamburg, PA
Welp, nevermind.

Do you know what exactly you'll be getting? Or some specific species you're looking for?
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>>2400147
>You'll never have brain spiders that crawl and nest in between the surface of your Cortex and the inside of your skull
>They will never stimulate your tickle reaction while they clean their footsies.
>Your will never hear little Chelicerae whispers in the dead of night wishing you a good night sleep, anon.

Why bother continuing this existence.
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Somehow missed this thread and ended up making a thread
>>2401271

TL;DR:
I'm working on a project where the main character has a pet millipede and I'd love to hear your experiences with them for reference!
If they do goofy things, maybe have unique personalities, if they're a lot of upkeep, etc.!
It's greatly appreciated my dudes!

>I mean just look at how cute this guy is
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>>2401284
(Oh and if you've had more than one together, how do they interact with one another? Have they fought? Ignored each other? ??? Although, this is probably species dependant since there are quite a few different kinds )
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>>2401284
>>2401287
>I'm working on a project where the main character has a pet millipede and I'd love to hear your experiences with them for reference!

They're boring and spend most of their time dug in the substrate if you actually keep them right.

>If they do goofy things

no

>maybe have unique personalities

no

>if they're a lot of upkeep

lolno. Low heat mat for exotic species and some water/food. Some species have unique diets so you'll have to look up what they eat.

>How do they interact with one another.

They don't interact with eachother at all unless it's time to fug.

>Have they fought?

no

>Ignored each other?

yes
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>>2401284
>>2401287
After the initial setup they're really low maintenance, you just provide the food and they pretty much take care of themselves.

And yes, they do all have unique personalities, at least as much personality as you can get with so few neurons. Some are more curious than others but also really shy and roll up into a defensive curl at the slightest disturbance, others seem to not care at all. Some run around and climb stuff all the time while others do nothing but hog all the food. This also somewhat depends on species, some are more inclined to be more active, climb more, and so on, but you can always have some that break that trend and are unusually shy or bold for a particular species.

>If they do goofy things
They love to nibble on your fingers when you pick them up, probably because they want salt.

>if you've had more than one together, how do they interact with one another
They're generally kept in groups, but they don't really interact except a bit of shoving around for food.

>>2401299
>They're boring and spend most of their time dug in the substrate if you actually keep them right.
Depends on the species. A. gigas for example is on the surface a lot, even during the day. Also you probably only observe them during the day, when they don't do anything.
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>>2401302
>>2401299

Thank you both a fuck ton!! Online research can only help me so much, so this is extremely helpful!

Cheers my dudes!! Thank you sooo much for your input!
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What was your first invert, /an/?
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>>2401383
A mantis, when I was 12, or 14, I don't remember. Hierodula membranacea I think. Died after a bad molt because I put too much decoration in her enclosure so she didn't have enough room.
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>>2401383
Besides keeping native stuff for short amounts of time, I got my first triops kit at 7. Was a pretty shitty tank with more height than floorspace, managed to raise a single one in it though. After that I got pic related, which was surprisingly efficient at raising multiple triops. Bred them for a few generations even.
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I just caught this asshole stumbling away from my mantis habitats.

It's a Ichneumon Wasp, and it's parasitic. I'm concerned because it was so close to my mantis, who hang out on the lids of their enclosures.

Could it have fucked with one of my mantis? I'm not too worried, but just enough that I'm concerned it was possible.
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>>2401544
Are they smart enough to stick their ovipositor into holes in screen/ventilation? Are they known for ever doing that?

if so, I'd be worried. If not, id' relax.
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>>2401562
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>>2401563
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>>2401564
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>>2401250
Anything that catches my eye really. An orchid mantis if i can find one. Im also working my way up to a tarantula but im deathly afraid, so i just plan on observing them for a while from a distance. I used to not even be able to click these threads but im adjusting.
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>>2401566
I want one of those.

>>2401562
One of these, too.
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>>2401544
Was it the exact one in the image? If so, no, those go for grubs in wood. There are wasps that parasitize mantids, but those are Chalcidoidea and look very different and are smaller.

>>2401628
>An orchid mantis if i can find one.
They can be kind of finicky if you haven't had a mantis before. Post here if you get some and want some advice. Also don't overpay.

> Im also working my way up to a tarantula but im deathly afraid
Are you afraid of slings as well, or is it only the big adults? If so you should try getting a tiny little sling and take care of it. They grow pretty slow so you have time to adjust to your spider getting bigger and bigger.

>I used to not even be able to click these threads but im adjusting.
Wow, congrats man. I personally know two former arachnophiles that got into tarantulas to get over their fear of spiders and it worked for them. They love their spooders now.
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Finally got the shot I wanted. You can cleary see one adult is bigger than the other one. The ones that were adult when I got them are all smaller than the ones that became adult in my care for some reason.
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Can anyone tell me what this little guy is? He got himself stuck at my door.
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>>2401804
Location?
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>>2400147
The grossest part of this is all that gunk. I feel sorry for the spider.
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>tfw the smallest nymph made its first big takedown

>>2401778
Interesting. Neither gender gets naturally bigger than the other either, right?
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>>2401844
No, the females have a slightly wider abdomen but that's it.
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>>2401821
Over in Nevada. Hot, desert-like climate.
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>>2401821
I've seen a few of theee guys around actually... Seems familiar, but I cant put my finger on what they are.
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Hey yall I'm making a terrarium for a jumping spider. No pics because my phone camera is broken, but it looks exactly like this

I put it in a small plastic beta tank with dirt, sticks, a pad of moss, and a bit of leaf litter. The spider has a place to find shade and water (on the moss). I was going to feed it small moths once a night.

Am I missing anything? Anything I should be aware of?

The spider showed up in a bunch of grapes from California, wrapped in a web. I was worried some gangly horror would emerge but instead this cute little bastard came out.
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>>2401892
>Am I missing anything? Anything I should be aware of?
Yes, jumping spiders are diurnal. You have to feed it during the day m8.

Also it will build its own hide, either on a top corner of your tank or between some leaves if you provide them.
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>>2401299
>Low heat mat
no
never use a heat mat, especially not with burrowing animals

everything else is right
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>>2401910
Oh, and they eat a shitton Much more than you'd expect from such a small spider. And they like to hunt stuff that is about their own size or slightly larger.

It's probably gonna need way more than one moth a day.
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>>2401911
Holy shit it's beautiful. Is that yours? What species?
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>>2400845
Nice! I also have a G. pulchra. She's 12 years old and pretty chill
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>>2401931
Fucking hell, 12 years. What sort of monster have you created?
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>>2401934
>12 years
Not that old for a T m8
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>>2401931
Stunningly beautfiful, wow. Awesome spider anon.

That settles it I guess, I'm getting one of these at the expo on saturday. Wish me luck in finding one for a good price.
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>>2401935
I'm not familiar with this, but 12 is a long time in my eyes.
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>>2399967
Caught this pretty female stag on the way to the polling station, lads. These rare things spend seven years underground before emerging.
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>>2401937
They regularly get 30+ years old. The females at least.
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>>2401938
>go vote
>find poop eating black monstrosity

Sounds like an experience I had once.
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>>2401941
Stag beetles don't eat poop.
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>>2401937
She can live easily up to 20 years. Some have lived up to 30.. Here's another spider I have. Poecilotheria fasciata female
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>>2401944
I gotta get out of this thread and back into the plant thread, stop making me feel bad please friend.
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>>2401931
>>2401945
Nice spider and great images. Post more, I like your photos.

>>2401946
I wasn't trying to, pls don't leave ;_;
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>>2401949
I'd like to post more, but I just have these girls.. I'm waiting for a package from Poland which contains 4 new spiders. Species that i'll get are; Poecilotheria metallica female, Heteroscodra maculata female and 2 Ephebopus murinus spiderlings. I'll post some pics out of these spiders. They are not the exact spiders. Only an example how they look
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>>2401955
P. metallica
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>>2401955
H. Maculata
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>>2401955
E. murinus
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>>2401957
>P. metallica
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>>2401955
>P. metallica
awesome, but confirmed female? ouch, that was probably expensive

>H. Maculata
Great. Very underrated spider.

>E. murinus
Pet hole/10.
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>>2401966
P. metallica was 80 euros. About 90 dollars so not much really.

I'm little worried about H. Mac since it's bite is quite nasty and it's a speed demon.

I probably won't see my murinus slings after unpacking them.. have to deal with that.
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>>2401844
I'm so proud.
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>>2401972
That's actually pretty damn good for metallica. I guess prices had to come down eventually.

>I'm little worried about H. Mac since it's bite is quite nasty and it's a speed demon.
Yeah but the spider itself isn't nasty at all. From my experience they aren't very defensive at all, they prefer to run but they rarely have to because they notice any disturbance and hide long before you even finish opening the enclosure. Also extremely pretty, in a very artistic sort of way.
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How many Heterochaeta orientalis adults could you realistically put in a 40x40x70cm mesh cage? Does 5 (3 female, 2 male) sound alright or is that too many?
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>>2401972
E. murinus is the best Ephebopus species imo. Just keep em warm and moist
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>>2401966
My H. mac makes my E. murinus look like a display species
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>>2402024
Not sure about 3 females, it's kinda hard to estimate. I've kept 2 in a 40x30x60. They moved very little and never really ran into each other, so I guess a bigger group could work in a well structured tank.
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>>2402055
The thing I'm worried about with them is molting space, I don't want to add too much structure because of that. I know they absolutely won't eat each other and that they barely move. I could probably manually place them where I want them and they'd stay there.

Well, I'm getting juveniles anyway, probably at L6 though and I don't know how many molts they go through, but if they get too big I will just split them up.

Also since it's a mesh cage they have all the sides and the top in addition to the sticks.
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>>2401911
A low heat mat at the side of the enclosure is fine.
It only is a problem if you put it under the enclosure.
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Well this is weird.

Seeing as how she's (lazily) sealed up her burrow >>2400907 I thought she'd be staying in there until she popped the cork. Has anyone else's spider done this? Just waltz out of the hide and hang out during the "sealed burrow" stage of pre-molt?
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>>2402090
Maybe she's searching for a better spot. Is it very dry in her burrow? Maybe she just wants to drink something.

Or maybe your spider is just weird. It happens. She can molt just fine in the open anyway.
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>>2402091
I refilled her water bowl just in case. Humidity in the enclosure is around 73%, but i don't suppose that air humidity and soil dampness correlate too much - the first centimeter or so of substrate is kinda dry so I'll wet it and see what happens.

Whether or not any of it applies however, doesn't change one thing I'm certain of. She's a weirdo. A cute, lazy little weirdo that likes to obsess over her fake plants or quite near anything with vibrant color.
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>>2402094
You know, as long as nothing is obviously wrong the best advice with tarantulas is usually wait and see what happens.
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>>2402105
I guess.
I think my first timer pre-molt paranoia is getting the better of me. I just want my little girl to be safe.
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>>2402106
I find it kind of amusing actually. These animals endure such adverse and extreme conditions in nature and do just fine, they're not like gerbils or hamsters that fall over dead at the slightest disturbance but here we are, pampering them like little babies and obsessing over every little whim.

But you know, we're kinda past the point of return when we start calling them spoode.

Protect the spoode.
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>>2401915
yes, they're mine
Aphistogoniulus hova

>>2402081
Yep, but I hate heat mats anyway.. too dangerous in my opinion..
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>>2402090
My recommendation is ditch the hydrometer. It should be fine with 3/4ths of the sub damp...like a gradient. Moist on bottom and dry on top. Also should be deep substrate...1.5x dls at least I'd say.
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>>2402363
Yeah, it's deep. About 7 inches She's been digging deeper into her hide, so i can only imagine that more moisture is indeed what she's been seeking.

>>2402153
I shall protect the spoode
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I'm trying to raise a colony of metalwork and was wondering what are some ways of speeding up their growth?
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>>2401687
How much should one pay for an orchid mantis? I saw sub adults and adults being sold for 20-30 USD each.
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>>2402358
heat mat dried out all the substrate in my babys cage. What's a better way to heat an insect/arachnid enclosure? Are heat lamps ok for animals that like the dark?
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>>2402434
Mealworms*
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>>2400130
>>2400132
well, actually... http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2017/06/08/531616366/what-goes-on-in-the-minds-of-spiders
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>>2400845
can pulchra be sexed at a glance or do you need a molt and a microscope?
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>>2402434
Same for almost every invert that tolerates it, more heat and good, protein rich food. Not too high of course since that'll kill them but every 10C the speed of biochemical reactions doubles and consequentely so does the metabolism.

>>2402442
That sounds like a good deal actually. I was just saying that because I saw some ridiculous $70/80 prices earlier.

>>2402443
Yes, those work. Be aware that most species prefer or even require it to cool down at night. Some quite drastically.
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>>2402453
Yes, I know but it still works in a very different way than our minds.


Regarding spider awareness:
https://books.google.com/books?id=uW9cOblnpEoC&pg=PA5&hl=en

Good read, sadly on an excerpt on google but the book isn't espensive.
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What kind of spider is this?

Saw this under my bed about a year ago and always been wondering what it was but never posted to ask.

I'm from Texas so wondering if it's a brown recluse, but don't think it is considering the abdomen looks a different color than the thorax.
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HI there /invertebrate/!

first tim millipede owner here and i paid 20 for a gold millipede and around ten dollars for some mesh and rubber bands. bowl used to be used as a goldfish bowl but fish ended up in a bigger tank eventually(was a mother's day gift last year). the soil was free from my landlord. Any things i should change about the setup?
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>>2402608
also heres the seller i bought my golden millipede from. was wondering, what should i use for a water holder for my little guy? i was thinking along the lines of a big cap from a jug of some kind.
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>>2402608
>>2402614
>gold millipede
I have no idea what that is, do you know the scientific name?

Also since when can you seel live animals on ebay?

>Any things i should change about the setup?
Deeper substrate.

Also it looks dry and sandy, without knowing what your millipede actually is I can't say if that is good or not but most millipedes want moist and earthy soil, preferably with pieces of rotting wood in it.

>i was thinking along the lines of a big cap from a jug of some kind.
Should be alright, but if the substrate is moist they don't actually need extra water.
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>>2401804
Anyone? I'm in Nevada, a desert climate. Pretty sure its a caterpillar (?) and if I recall correctly, the little "spikes" were red? Or maybe not...

But I've seen a few of these guys around and I'd really like to know what they are
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>>2402617
Frozen eggs maybe? I have no idea, but you can buy like a thousand live ladybugs on amazon, so i figure its by the same methods they do it
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>>2402619
It is definitely a caterpillar, and also definitely a Lepidopteran caterpillar. I can't say more than that for sure but from my gut feeling it's from something in the family Nymphalidae. Don't take that for granted though.

You know, you could just put it in a well ventilated box, give it some plants to find out what it likes and then wait until the butterfly emerges Then it will be much easier to identify.
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Had to do some cleaning up in the Metallyticus enclosure, which gave me a chance to take another look at the females. They be gettin THICC, yo.

Also the colors really shine (literally) in sunlight.

Couldn't make a good looking webm with the constraints on this board, so I posted it here >>>/wsg/1730270

Also, if you're reading this, how are the S. denticulata doing my dude?
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>>2402632
Yeah, i have the little guy in a nice set-up! Thanks man i'll update the thread when he changes!
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>>2402660
got pics?
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"Incubation period of 6 to 8 weeks "
>was actually 4 weeks

"Number of nymphs up to 215"
>was actually FOUR FUCKING HUNDRED

Now this was quite the ride. I guess that's what you get for breeding species no one breeds. Hopefully I can sell all of them to the same seller that offered to buy 200 tomorrow.
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>>2402358
I hope this isn't a real thing
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>>2402921
What do you mean? The whip spider?

I can assure you that those are indeed a real thing and comletely harmless to humans.
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>>2402895
>buy plastic container
>insert paper towel
>add a single stick
>THIS IS YOUR LIFE NOW, INSECTS
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>>2402951
Yes, that is how you properly keep most mantids.

Not only do they not need anything else, adding further unnecessary decoration increases the risk of mismolts, prey escaping and complicates maintenance.
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Are rhino or tiger beetles any good to have?
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>>2402955
I was just hating mate, I know nothing of this topic.
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>>2402964
rhinos are a lot of work and a very long wait if you raise them from grubs and very expensive and short lived if you buy them as adults

tiger beetles are cool, relatively easy but can not be bred in captivity and have rather short lifespans
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Bugs scare me, how do I get over this
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>>2402980
Slow and controlled exposure.

Look at the pictures you can stand, read these threads, find something that you're alright with (or at least not horribly afraid of) find out how to care for it, get it at a small size, take care of it properly and watch it grow up. The fear will go away as you learn more about it and see it more and more as an animal instead of something disgusting to be avoided. And eventually you'll find it cute. Trust me.
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>>2402980
Play with female orb weavers, they're extremely nice pets and have zero aggressive tendencies.

Hatching day is coming, friend, when your lawn is covered in webs you know what's coming. Area dependent of course.
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>>2402977
Thanks, what insect is long lived and friendly?
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>>2402990
None of them are long lived, except fucking tarantulas and the weirdos that keep them for 20-30 years. Cicadas too but they die after 5 days out of the ground.
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>>2402986
I should correct myself, big insects scare me, small ones don't bother me much until they try to fly in my face
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>>2402998
Jumping spoodlers but I don't know how to keep them at all.
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>>2402990
Hissing roaches (Gromphadorhina) are completely peaceful, very easy to take care of and rather long lived.

Certain stag beetles like Phalacrognathus muelleri and Dorcus titanus can also get quite old as adults. They could pinch you but probably won't.

Keep in mind that when we say long lifespans for insects we mean 2 to 5 years.

If you want a long lived invert that isn't an insect get a tarantula.

>>2402996
tarantulas aren't insects and
>not having the dedication to care for your pet for its entire life
NORMIE GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>2403001
Dude I take care of everything but the cilia fuck my brain up when it comes to tarantulas.
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>>2402998
In that case look into getting one of the bigger beginner species of phasmid like Extatosoma tiaratum or Heteropteryx dilatata.

They are slow, harmless and start small. Then you can watch them grow up from something small and slow to something big and even slower. Watching that process and getting used to the size increase gradually will normalize it for you. Before you know it you'll have these huge bugs that are completely normal to you now but would have scared the shit out of you before.
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>>2402998
A smaller beginner species of tarantula might help, if you raise it from a sling. I'd recommend Euathlus sp. (Chilean red flame dwarf), as it doesn't get too big when fully grown.
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>>2402641
>Also, if you're reading this, how are the S. denticulata doing my dude?
completely shit, m8
3 are left.. now I know why they went pretty much extinct in the hobby..

>>2402895
kek
At least this species produces enough offspring, unlike the fucking Sinomantis

>>2402921
yea, that's a real animal, a female Heterophrynus sp.
here is a (shitty) pic of the male with his pedipalps extended
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>go to expo with literally no money in my pockets
>return with M. balfouri female for my male, two G. pulchra slings, a bunch of food, some cork bark and 200€

feels good man
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>>2403474
Getting ready to head to mine now haha. Too bad I can't get much for the mm P. irminia I'm taking to one of the vendors
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>>2403529
Good luck. How much do you think you'll be getting for him? I wouldn't sell him for less than 50 desu
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twitch dot tv/junipertoxic

Streaming beekeeping operations now, queen transfer and stuff
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>>2403749
noice
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Found this guy swinging from the ceiling in my kitchen. Any idea what kind of spider it is?
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>>2403766
Castianeira sp., probably longipalpa but I'm not psychic and don't know where you live so it could be some exotic Guatemalan species that just happens to look exactly the same.
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>seller shipped out live animal on a friday at 3 in the f**King afternoon!

>check tracking after post office closed for saturday, package was last scanned in the state that the seller shipped it out from.
>expected delivery of wednesday.

my f**king millipede is gonna end up at my doorstep as a corpse isnt it guys?

WHY THE F**K DIDN'T HE WAIT UNTIL MONDAY MORNING TO SHIP IT? AND WHY DIDNT HE USE FED EXPRESS,ESPECIALLY WITH THE WEATHER THE WAY IT IS!?!
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>>2403775
Who the fuck ships on fridays? Name pls, so I never order there.
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>>2403768
Sorry, Eastern US, so I'm pretty sure you're right. It's definitely a male Castianeira longipalpa.
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>>2403775
If it's packed well (really well) I would think it'd be fine. Inverts don't take much oxygen and can go a long time without food or water
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>>2403799
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>>2403811
what if it dies from heat stroke though? or freezes?
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>>2403811
Temperatures are the biggest concern, and heat and cold packs only last 48 hours max.

Also any additional day of shipping is more stress for the animal. Shipping on fridays is something you just DON'T DO with live animals.
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Finally, eggs!

Or maybe it just likes sticking its butt into things, idk.

Also sorry for the ultra shitty image quality but the glass is a little foggy and the springtails have decided to start climbing it.
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>>2403474
M. balfouri female is already really busy. Molt soon, maybe?
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>>2402614
ended up making up a proper habitat for the millipede, mom upgraded her aquarium, so i got her old one. i'm sure he'll eventually grow to fit the tank.
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>tfw spiderbro possesses the sheer courage to approach this to try to procreate

Where do they get the stones, lads?
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>>2403534
Just gave it to him. He'll give me slings I know.
He also gave me a decent deal on a M. Mesomelas
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>>2400157
>>2400172
>>2400192
>>2400201
While we are talking ants. I live in Washington and haven't been able to find a queen all year. I walk a mile every day looking for these bitches and have only seen a few campo workers and tetra workers. I look at the sidewalk (never under logs or rocks) what am I doing wrong? Can I buy some from one of you?
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>>2403949
also, i know the soil i'm using right now probably isn't the best stuff to be using, but i just don't have the money to go out and buy the right kind right now, im sure he can manage until the third when i can get him the right kind. speaking of which is there any specific soil i should use? my friend said i shouldn't use potting soil cause it could poison the millipede with its stuff that helps the plants grow.
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>>2404212
Dollar store sells rotted mulch soil. If it has white shit in it or an ingredients list you probably don't want it for an animal, pure ammonia and urea is often added.
You'll know what you're looking at. Try family dollar, and be fast, they're running out of soil from the distribution centers.
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>>2404212
where do you live?
Is there a forest with (only) decidiuos trees near you?

Please inform yourself BEFORE buying an animal, and always consider if you can keep it properly or not
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>>2404212
what >>2404233 and >>2404238 said. Nothing with additives or fertilizer. The best thing is fresh topsoil from a nearby forest mixed with some rotting wood flakes.
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>>2404080
Walking around isn't a great way to find queens. Learn what species are in your area and when they normally fly. Most ants mate at night and then immediately run for cover. Go out first thing in the morning. Some species will tend to hide under rocks or logs, while other species will dig small founding chambers if the ground's right. These chambers will usually have a pile of finely granulated dirt around them in the shape of a crescent. Be careful when digging these up so as not to harm the queen. If they're more than one or two inches deep, it's probably not worth the trouble.
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>>2404238
>>2404212
>>2404233
thanks guys, will keep a lookout from now on, also , i used a water and bleach solution to disenfect the tank since it was used as a fish tank for three goldfish and some snail before(was my moms) and had to leave a little bit of the original gravel in there since i couldn't get it out easily. is that bleach going to be to toxic to the millipede? should i let it air out for a week or so before putting him inside of it?
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>>2404251
Holy shit. I'm done being nice, I can only tolerate so much stupidity.

Please tell me you're trolling. No one can be this stupid.

How do you think an animal that eats and lives in soil likes bleach in it? How do you think an animal from moist, damp forests likes digging in dry sand? Why the fuck did you not inform yourself before getting one? You seem to not even know what they eat.

Either read up on how to actually keep a milliped and COMPLETELY start over or give it away because you clealy have no intention to actually take good care of that animal.

Fuck you man.
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>>2404255
how else was i going to disenfect it, do you propose i should have just let the millipede use the tank the way it was with all that fish shit,rotten food, and algea inside of it?
as for the soil i didn't really have a choice, i couldn't afford to get the special snowflake soil ATM.
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>>2404258
and btw i did rinse out the leftover bleach solution before adding the dirt genius
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>>2404258
>how else was i going to disenfect it, do you propose i should have just let the millipede use the tank the way it was with all that fish shit,rotten food, and algea inside of it?
By just giving it a good scrub with a sponge and some water? Was turning it on its side and a bit of scrubbing with a shower head really too much work?

>as for the soil i didn't really have a choice, i couldn't afford to get the special snowflake soil ATM.
You should have known what you need and if you can't afford it DON'T GET A PET

Also we just told you the best soil is LITERALLY free, but you would have known that anyway if you had bothered to inform yourself at all.
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>>2404259
you also just told me you couldn't get all the gravel out that still had bleach on it, so it sure as fuck soaked into the dirt
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Polyrhachis beccarii
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>tfw no expos in or near Idaho
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>>2404487
there probably are though, ask on arachnoboards

also you can order inverts online without problems
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>>2404263
fucking awesome, is that yours?
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This spider is hanging out in the corner of my bedroom. Gave it some water in a bottle cap and I threw some ants into its web, which I think it started to eat. Can I get an ID on this spider, and a sex if possible?
>inb4 brown recluse
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>>2404547
I also live in Northeast US if that helps
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>>2404547
Steatoda sp., probably grossa
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>>2403947
thats it gurl work that booty
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>>2404006
The need to breed is intense. One day, you too will feel it.
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Giant Canyon Isopods, I've had these for about 5-6 months, some of mine are as big as an inch, about as big as the last segment of my pinkie finger. I had 10 of em when i first got em but then they fucked and now i have no idea, all the babies are still really small though. Have em all in a communal tank with my four millipedes.
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>>2404972
Is that peat as ground ?
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>>2404975
it was probably coconut fiber, that was just the deli cup the came in. In the tank they're in right now i have a mixture of dead leaves, peat and coconut fiber. Literally the easiest pet to care for. All ya gotta do is keep em moist. Dead leaves and other decay in the substrate is their food.
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>>2404972
Update on the millipedes, was looking around to try and take some nice pictures of the inside of my terrarium and one of my millipedes i found dead. It was my Orthoporus Ornatus, no idea why, although i have to say it was very lethargic. It never moved out of it's cork bark hide, found a bunch of the isopod babies having a feast. I've removed it to prevent infection from spreading, but i'm afraid i'm doing something else wrong? see >>2404980 for their current substrate. As i've been informed you do not have to clean the millipede waste, as they are decomposers. I have an entire tank full of cleaner bugs.
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Question for beetle folks.

I have a m/f dorcus alcides pair, and a m/f p. muelleri pair -- mostly because I couldn't buy the males without buying the females too, but that's okay, they're cute.

Right now, I have all the beetles in separate cages. What I'm wondering is, if I moved these two female stags into a larger cage to share (they're different species, but the same size), would they kill each other?

I know male stags are aggressive towards each other, but what about females? Will they fight and chew each other's legs off, or just chill?

Pic related, it's the girls.
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>>2405001
Not sure actually.

I know some female stags are actually way more aggressive than the males, especially when gravid, and their bite is certainly stronger because their mandibles aren't absurdly huge.

But if there is enough room I don' think there should be a problem.
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>>2400947
>leaf cutters
My jelly cannot be contained. And I feel the pain on the honey pots, I spent the weekend traversing the hotter southern areas of my state and came up completely empty.

There is a guy selling Harvester Ants near me though, might pick up a queen from him. For all that AntsCanada's products are overpriced, the GAN project is stupid helpful, what with it being generally illegal to ship queens.
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>show T to friend
>they ask what's his/her name

Does that bother anyone else?Whats the point of naming your invert,its pretty stupid
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>>2405118
Anon, I named my plants. Just because it doesn't come when you call, doesn't mean you can't give it a name.
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I'm keeping the G. pulchra slings I got recently a bit warmer than room temp to (maybe) accelerate their growth. They aren't under a heat lamp directly but close to one, they have about 28C/82F on the warm side of their box and room temp at the other. The lamp is off at night of course.

Of course they have fresh water nearby at all times.

Any objections?
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>>2405118
this>>2405120
Felicia will never play fetch with me, but it feels kinda wrong to just call her "the Spider"
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>>2405118
Out of all of my inverts only one has a name and that is because she deserves it. Eventually you'll get one of those too, and you'll know that it needs a name.
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>>2405118
I usually get, "does it have a name?"
Doesn't really bother me though. It does bother me when people refer to them as my "pet" spiders.
To me its like asking someone, "how are your pet roses doing?"
It's a hobby.
That being said, probably 20 of my spiders have names because my ex liked to name them
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>>2405118
Does it bother you that I give my hard drives people names?
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Spider question! I have an Argiope Argentata in my yard, she's pregnant and huge.

Tonight I got home and shone a light on her and the web to make sure she didn't have parasites or geckos trying to eat her. As soon as I did it, she squirted a white substance from her spinnerets, hit my phone light straight on.

I've never seen a spider do this and I've had and handled dozens of Argiopes, what is the name of this mechanism? I had no idea they could do this.
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>>2405578
That mysterious substance is called poop.
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>>2405595
Interesting if it is, but can they really poop that far? It was a good 5-6 inches away from her.
They've pooped on me before but it was more like a short drip than a squirt.
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>>2405603
They most certainly can. My arboreal tarantulas can projectile shit over 2 feet.
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>>2405612
Oh my, that's impressive. Thanks guys! For a moment I thought it was liquid silk (unlikely, but it was a thought) and I felt super bad for making her waste it.
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>>2405678
>>2405680
Cute. Are they wild or do you keep them as pets?
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>>2405749
Wild caught but i am starting to culture them for fun.
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blue leg pede about to molt

sorry for shitty pic but I don't want to disturb him any further
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>>2399967
I have a really intense fear of bugs, how do I get rid of this fear?
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>>2405987
Research and interaction

Look them up. Learn about them The biggest contributor to fear is ignorance. Then, when you've gotten comfortable with pics and you've learned enough to realize most are not dangerous, go and interact with them, as long as you know it's safe. Go to a shop and hold a tarantula (just make sure it's as close to the ground as possible so that the animal is not in danger. very short falls can kill them, but this rule only really applies to tarantulas, though you should always have both your safety and the animal's in mind). Some people buy invertebrates to overcome their fear. This can have mixed results, as I know many an arachnophobe who loves their tarantulas, but still freaks out at the sight of a house spider.

TL:DR; research, and interact
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Found this guy (girl?) crawling up the side of my house. No clue as to what it is. North Alabama, if it helps.
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>>2406098
And here it is stretched out. Weird lil thing.
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>>2406098
firefly larva
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>>2406118
Thanks, anon!
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>>2406087
>as I know many an arachnophobe who loves their tarantulas, but still freaks out at the sight of a house spider.

That's pretty much me to a T. All these tarantula pics are awesome, but the moment I see a small brownish shape dart under my desk is the moment I have to turn in my man card.

These threads help though. And for some reason jumping spiders dont bother me at all. I had one chill on my rear view mirror for the entirety of a three hour car ride, just taking in the view or something.
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>>2406137
>jumping spiders
I don't think they really bother many people in the first place, really
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>>2406137
It's probably the quickness of the movement then, combined with the long legs, right? Used to creep me out as well, even after I had gotten into tarantulas.


But I worked my way up to these kinds of spiders as well. Started with THICC and slow tarantulas, eventually got some that can put on some serious speed and recently got my first huntsman spider.

Now that thing is FAST, but it doesn't really bother me anymore. It already managed to bolt from its enclosure once and I would have been horrified just a year earlier, but now I just roll my eyes at my own stupidity for letting it escape and go catch it again.

Also jumping spiders are just undeniably cute, even to the biggest arachnophobe. You should get some, they're great first spiders.
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>>2406150
>>2406144
Thing is, even the smaller spiders I don't mind so much, as long as they're not within a certain distance of my bed or desk. Up in the corner, eating shithead flies? Cool, do your thing, I might accidentally hit you with the broom, sorry.

But when I'm lying on my bed, reading a book, and you climb across the page - we have a fucking problem.

I do live in a converted shed, so I have spider problems. Isn't helping this whole "irrational fear" thing.
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I ordered a devil's flower mantis expecting an idolo, but ended up with two Blepharopsis Mendica. Fuck common names amirite. Oh well, still cool and there's a way lower chance that my ass will kill them right?
Where can I actually obtain a GIANT devil flower mantis? They seem to be impossible to find.
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>>2406391
Where did you even order from where you don't get told the scientific name? But yeah, B. mendica ain't much of a hassle.

Idolomantis are rather seasonal. There should be offers starting to pop up during summer and fall. I'm currently on the lookout as well. Are you from America or Europe?
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Pic of one of my mantids I cared for last summer. Saw this thread and missed them a little bit more :(
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>>2406391
As long as you keep them nice and warm, yeah they're way easier.

Also what >>2406415 said, where the fuck did you order?

>>2406423
Very pretty lady and nice image. Cute.

>Saw this thread and missed them a little bit more :(
Why don't you get some more, or some different ones? And mabye try to breed them this rime
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>>2406391
wtf, why didn't you notice beforehand?
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>>2406433
I'm currently back and forth from home and school for college so it's hard to keep up with care. Once I graduate in a couple years I fully plan on getting back into care.
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any tips on keeping this little lady? They only eat other spiders in the wild so I'm not sure if I would need a supply of spiders to feed her or if she would be happy with anything (I have access to a variety of wild spiders but I worry about disease mites). Also if I do feed her spiders how can I ensure she gets the enrichment she needs without risking her getting hurt? This species is very intelligent but I worry she win't be able to thrive in captivity)
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>>2406423
>tfw your favorite insect only lives for a year

I miss mine already.
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>>2401938
What a cutie! I've read that female stags can bite hard, but mine never have (different species than that though).

What will you feed her? You can buy beetle jelly online, it's the easiest imo.
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>>2401944
What's it called when they squirt waste across the room? I guess its not pooping, but...
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So, I may have to give up my stag beetles; I'm upset, but I don't have enough money to move out right away, and my mom's being stubborn about it (it's my fault; I told her they'd die in a year, but learned recently they can live up to five).

It's heartbreaking and sucks a lot. I'm still trying to win her over, but on the chance that I can't - any suggestions? Would a museum or zoo take these (dorcus alcides & p. mulleri)? Honestly, if there's a responsible bug anon in the PA area, that's an option too, but that makes me a bit nervous (though I know a lot of you guys are great with your inverts).

No decision needs to made till next year, thank God. But I thought I'd get you guys' ideas on how to give them a good home. When I do move out, the next buggos stay with me no matter what.
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>>2406625
Idk whether this is a troll post but if you really want a jumping spider go for something in the Phidippus or Hyllus genuses instead. They're larger and require less specific care.

Unless you live in Africa or Indonesia you won't be able to get hold of a Portia spider anyway since they're far too small and insignificant to be exported.
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>>2406748
>get a Phidippus or Hyllus genuses
firstly fuck you I don't want any jumping spider I want this specific species and if you knew anything about the portia genus you would know why
>Unless you live in Africa or Indonesia
or Australia you dumb fuck if you knew anything about this specific species you would know where they can be found

Now can someone who doesn't have an anus where their mouth should be, weigh in

cunt you think I'm trolling? Stay in your lane.

>pic related a cool spider your uncultured ass has probably never heard of until now
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>>2406752
Is this literally the invert equivalent of a white girl who wants a Shiba Inu because she saw one on the Internet?
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>>2406752
What the hell is this guy up to?
Global rule 3, friend.
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>>2406756
Why do assume I don't know shit? There isn't alot of info of this species in captivity so I was HOPING someone had some experience with them had some tips they were willing to share, but apparently just some fuck who thinks he knows my prior experience with a wide range of inverts despite being on an anonymous image board. So I'll ask again, anyone with an opinion I should care about care to weigh in.
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>>2406752
Calm your autism and please don't shit up the thread like that.

Portia are exclusively araneophagic, you will have to provide a prey of spiders of appropriate size. With their active lifestyle probably 3 to 5 per day. Since Portia mostly attacks Araneoidea in their nets you somehow have to let the spider set that up first before introducing Portia, although different populations of P. fimbriata also employ different hunting strategies and prefer different prey. You will somehow have to find out their preference.


P. fimbriata lives in dryish forests in northern Australia, so you will have to emulate the conditions there. Assuming you're in Australia that will be easy, assuming you're not it will be impossible as export of native wildlife from Australia is almost completely banned. The ones from south-east Asia will be equally hard to come by as no exporter currently cares about them.

To my knowledge they have not been kept by private keepers for any extended period of time. They have been kept in laboratories for behavioral studies, but only for short periods.

For additional information I'd recommend the book "Complex Worlds from Simpler Nervous Systems", which has a detailed section about the hunting techniques employed by P. fimbriata.

>>2406759
This is not /b/, /v/ or /pol/, there is no need for that overly hostile tone.
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>>2406763
thankyou for the info, obtaining them will not be difficult as I know someone who sells them but they won't tell me much on how they care for them. Also I'm in Australia so export laws won't be a problem. I guess, as expected feeding them will be the most complicated bit. Also thanks for the book recommendation.
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>>2406767
If you actually manage to do it (it will be A LOT of effort) make sure to properly document what you observe. There is not that much known about these spiders and having one in captivity for extended periods of time might very well provide a lot of new insights.

Good luck.
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>>2406768
thanks, I'll let you guys know how it goes
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>>2406735
Ah, that sucks.
You can try selling them, you won't get much but at least it's something. I can't tell you where, but there should be some site for animal classifieds, right? Maybe someone from the US can help.

If selling doesn't work out you can also just give them away, again by posting an ad, to some other hobbyist or breeder.
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My H. orientalis are here. L6 as of now and male and female already look very different, I had no idea. The brown one is the male.
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ID on this alium?
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>>2406797
very hard to say at that size, looks like it just hatched

location?

do you have the ootheca?
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>>2406798
Indiana sorry

I'm looking for it but I just collected them from my window screen. I may just have to wait and see what they grow into
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>>2406800
Well, you only have 3 species of mantis in Indiana: http://insectoid.info/checklist/mantodea/indiana/

And both Mantis religios and Tenodera aridifolia nymphs look very different, so it's very probably Stagmomantis carolina (pic).
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one of the new lil' slings
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>>2406759
>Why do assume I don't know shit?

Mostly because you type like an angry teenager and you picked a species that doesn't belong in captivity and is popular in clickbait "6 epic things you didn't know about spiders" sites.
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Why won't my c. cyaneopubescens come out of its hole.
I finally took time to make a badass enclusure for it to web up and I havent seen it in weeks. ;-;
Will it be worse off if I only leave it mostly exposed spaces with no hide.
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Yes, finally! Babies!
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>>2406940
Maybe it's in premolt?

>Will it be worse off if I only leave it mostly exposed spaces with no hide.
Probably, but it can take months for them to get comfortable. Post pics of enclosure.
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>>2406803
thanks I'm sure they're Stagmomantis now

I made a grave error in constructing a top-opening enclosure for them. I don't know how I'm supposed to feed them when they sit on their lids and immediately leap out
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>>2406985
Video this please, it sounds hilarious to me. Sorry if I am demeaning the magnitude of your problem.
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>>2406985
>I don't know how I'm supposed to feed them when they sit on their lids and immediately leap out
Very carefully. And don't breathe on them.
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r8 my hermit crab tank
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>>2407110
pt 2
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>>2407110
>>2407112
>nice deep substrate
>two good sized bowls

good

>no sepia shell to nibble on
>no spare shells for decoration/if they decide to move
>no plants, real or fake
>hygrometer

I rate it 6.3/10.
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>>2407115
haven't gotten everything yet, gotta wait til next paycheck
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>>2407115
also thanks for the cuttlebone suggestion, forgot about that one
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so....update on the golden millipedes anon. i got the two in the mail this last Monday.(was only expecting one, but apparently he sent to to everyone that ordered that day) however i didn't know there was a second one and ended up throwing it in the trash and stepped on it while it was in a pile of trash clothes after looking for it in the garbage i threw away the other day. as for the other guy i ended up naming him milo, but unfortunately i was chatting with a store employee and unconciously twisted my arm right side up while the critter was crawling around on it, and he fell 4 feet to the hard concrete floor. i rushed to get him home and to recovery...but he's not looking so hot right now. the seller said he would look "black" once he was dead. last time i looked at him he was really pale looking and not moving, which i assume is him being in a coma of sorts.
anyways the seller felt bad that i had so much bad luck with my first set of introverts, that he offered to send me another pair for just the cost of shipping them out.
needless to say i'm going to be a lot more careful with these two.
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>>2407281
>Anonymous 06/14/17(Wed)19:52:31 No.240
lol INVERTS not introverts, god i need sleep
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>>2407281
Jesus Christ why
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>>2406779
Sorry for stupid, but are these mantises? They look like stick insects with mantis heads. Pretty cool guys, I didn't know you could safely hold mantises(?).
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>>2407281
Why were you talking to a store employee while holding it? Do you take it around with you?
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>>2407281
holy fucking shit dude
what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>2407518
>I didn't know you could safely hold mantises(?).
why did you thing that? what do you think should happen?

also, yes, they are mantids
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>>2407281
Please do not take him up on that offer, you're done. Just stop
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>>2407521
I thought mantids would bite, I'd always stayed away from praying mantises in the garden. I'm a beetle person, I know nothing about mantids. Yours are pretty.
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>>2407522
>>2407521
i don't see what the big deal is, they were all honest mistakes? its not like i could control it that much what happened to them.
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>>2407598
anyways i saw milo slightly twitch his body last night before going to bed so at least he's still alive it seems.
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>>2407595
As long as you don't grab them and just let them walk on you they won't bite.

>>2407598
I have not met or heard of anyone that has been this careless with his or her first inverts. You apparently did not unpack your animals with any sort of care or foresight or you would have easily seen there was another one in there. I have gotten lots of unexpected freebies too, but since they are living animals I always unbox very carefully, and if you do that you don't miss them.

Secondly there is a good reason everyone says to not handle them this far off the floor, and now you know why. Also that you apparently care so little for the animal crawling around on you that you "unconciously" twist your arm like that. You don't give a single fuck about them or you would be aware of what you're doing with it.

Please stop, you're just gonna end up killing more of them.
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>>2407601
oh come on now, get off your high horse and quit acting like you always know the right things to do with any kind of pet you ever owned/will own. i happen to be more experienced in keeping fish than insects/arthropods and you the opposite i assume but that doesn't give you the right to expect expert behaviour out of an amatuer hobbyist at best. we all make mistakes anon, and i mean what i said IT WAS AN ACCIDENT
i love animals and i have since i was a little boy so for you to say i purposely hurt my millipedes is just plain unfair.

newsflash: nobodies perfect, eventually you make a mistake and sometimes it can sting a lot.
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>>2407628
Of course I've made mistakes and had a few accidents, but that was with hundreds of individuals, from dozens of species over a decade. 2 for 2 in the span of a day is a pretty abysmal track record, don't you think?

How would you react if someone got their first fish tank, after allegendly informing themselves, and then managed to kill all of the fish within one day?

And no, I don't expect expert behavior, not at all. But I expect someone to be respectful towards small and fragile animals, especially if he wants to have them as pets. That means letting them be and only handling when necessary, and always being on your toes when doing it, there is no place for being absent-minded with something so fragile.

This hobby is very much hands off. It rewards calmness, patience and diligence. Probably the same as keeping fish. Inverts are much more like fish than they are like hamsters, you should treat them that way.

I hope you'll be a lot more careful in the future.
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>>2400291
the sting isn't that bad, they are pretty cool though, I watched some green ants pin one down and it sprayed it's butt juice, didn't know they could.
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>>2407642
yeah, i suppose your right, anyways its about time to get a new thread started isn't it?
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>>2407649
OP here

I'll get us when we've hit mid-catalog
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Question for other ant folks. My queen is still in the tube phase, has about 8 or 9 eggs currently. How often should I be checking her? I've been doing once a week, so that she doesn't freak out and start eating her kids, but I'm not sure how much is too much.

Also, AntsAustralia started selling formicariums, and while shipping from God's Dumping Ground is pricey, the units themselves seem pretty nice.
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>>2407650
These threads go by insanely fast considering the topic and board.

I'm kinda proud.
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>>2406941
and 3 more today

yo, other dude with P. horrida colony, is this gonna keep up? because if it is I'm gonna have to start thinking about what I do with all of these little fucks
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First Metallyticus male is dead. Lifespan was 47 days.

Maybe I should write up a care sheet if I succesfully manage to breed this species. There is absolutely no information on the internet for some reason.
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>>2399967
Can a pet centipede help will a roach problem? I've tried everything else and I kind of want a bro centipede or bro spider just hanging around my house.
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>>2407711
House centipedes (Scutigera) would help. No idea where you could get them though, normally they show up on their own and you don't really notice them.
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>>2407684
We're kinda tight knit that way
Also, many people come here with their questions when they find something new to them, so that always helps.
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>>2407642
I'm like, 99% sure we're getting trolled here. It's either trolling or the nonfunctional sort of autism.
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i think my millipede is slowly regaining his strength
he seemed to have changed positions in his tank since i left
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Fresh new thread guise

>>2408076
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