>>2064537 Humans traveled and left trash and detritus behind, wolves ate the scraps. Over generations, wolves that were more prone to associate with human beings had a selection advantage due to this extra food, until some wolves started coming to humans for food directly.
It's my opinion that this whole mechanism, going back hundreds of thousands of years, is why dogs "look guilty" when they do something wrong: I think it was an early adaptation that dogs learned to look guilty and pathetic, so people wouldn't kill them when they fucked up.
>>2064580 They were wolves, you pretentious fuckwit. not modern wolves, but morphologically, taxonomically, and genetically speaking, they were wolves.
You sound like those people who go "uhm, humans didn't evolve from apes :/ humans and modern apes have a common ancestor" Guess fucking what, that common ancestor, by every zoological definition, was an ape. I mean fuck, humans are still technically apes. We didn't suddenly stop being them when we put pants on.
>>2064704 >humans are still technically apes. We didn't suddenly stop being them when we put pants on.
Oh is that so? Then tell me, what happens to the people who spontanously over night evolve from apes into humas today? Do they get killed in the wild by their own family? What if that happens in a zoo? Do those fresh people get citizenship?
The human / dog partnership is literally divine intervention.
There's a reason that in 2016 science is still wholly unable to offer any other explanation for the domestication of the dog. God gave us dominion over animals, and gave us our four-legged friends as proof of that fact.
Why do you talk that way? Does it give you some kind of kick to unnecessarily say things like that? I'll never understand people like you.
>not modern wolves, but morphologically, taxonomically, and genetically speaking, they were wolves.
So if you go up to someone with a pet chihuahua will you say, "OMG A WOLF"? No
because "wolf" is to a large extent a cultural term rather than a biologically-based one. It's like "monkey".
>inb4 you somehow misunderstand me and call me names, look it up homeboy, some "monkeys" are taxonomically closer to you and me than they are to other monkeys.
The ancestor of the dog and wolf (according to what scientists are saying now) would have been distinct from wolves as we know them today and easily recognizable as such. And it would not have been a GREY wolf, which is totally different to what scientists were saying years ago when they were like "No dude I know dogs look pretty much nothing like them except the ones that were bred to them relatively recently but trust us, they're grey wolves. Even the pug"
>>2064537 they took the pups and then allowed the most placid to breed and continued to breed from the most placid and tame/least aggressive. You can fully domesticate wolves in just a few generations.
Early on, even if you may have a non-aggressive wolf, they are still not able to be fully domesticated and will become overly boisterous and wreck shit etc - it can't be 'trained' out of them at that stage.
That was the common belief up until recently but no longer.
>Although initially thought to have originated as a manmade variant of an extant canid species (variously supposed as being the dhole, golden jackal, or gray wolf), extensive genetic studies undertaken during the 2010s indicate that dogs diverged from an extinct wolf-like canid in Eurasia 40,000 years ago
No one disputed that the dog and grey wolf have a common ancestor. The dispute is the idea that the dog is the direct descendant of the grey wolf, which is false (except to some extent with respect to dog breeds that were crossed with grey wolves during their creation, like the German shepherd or the Czech wolfdog)
The study is literally an analysis of canine genomes. Genomes don't lie.
>A widely held belief is that dogs evolved from gray wolves, but a new study finds that the common ancestor of dogs and wolves went extinct thousands of years ago.
>What's more, the extensive DNA analysis -- published in the latest PLoS Genetics -- found that dogs are more closely related to each other than to wolves, regardless of their geographic origin. The genetic overlap seen today between dogs and wolves is likely then due to interbreeding after dog domestication.
>"The common ancestor of dogs and wolves was a large, wolf-like animal that lived between 9,000 and 34,000 years ago," Robert Wayne, co-senior author of the study, told Discovery News. "Based on DNA evidence, it lived in Europe."
>>2065084 >The dispute is the idea that the dog is the direct descendant of the grey wolf, the problem is genetic studies don't tell us which animals are different species or subspecies even with modern animals. There's often more difference between populations of the same species than there are between one species and another.
so basing a paleospecies on a genetic study is impossible. It has not ever been done, and claiming to do it in this particular case has no evidential basis.
They compared 3 Gray wolves from different regions and showed that no one is closer to dogs than the other and they made some predictions that their was some bottlenecking occurring in wolves and dogs.
Can't any animal really be tamed over time by playing around with genes? There have been experiments where the less aggressive samples of a certain species are made to mate with each other, then their descendant again the ones that are more comfortable with humans, rinse and repeat until you can see results, some animals even develop physical changes over generations resembling other tamed animals we know now a days.
All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.
This is a 4chan archive - all of the shown content originated from that site. This means that 4Archive shows their content, archived. If you need information for a Poster - contact them.
If a post contains personal/copyrighted/illegal content, then use the post's [Report] link! If a post is not removed within 24h contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org with the post's information.