>be me, smoking cigarette outside an art event >I yawn

i wouldve called

>>16898324
Yes, women do shit like this all the time. Don't bother trying to figure out why. I am saying this because most men drive themselves up the wall and get enraged because logically it doesn't make any sense. Never question why, just accept flakes will be flakes and fuck them.

>>16898324
As a girl I find 10/10 guys unappealing. I suppose it just my subjective experiences but they seem to turn into arseholes, not grounded at all. As a result I love guys who seem a little introverted. I want to build them up and support them. I get off by bringing him pleasure and being his rock. I would be the kind of girl who would give you my number. It would be this reckless choice made in the heat of the initial attraction. If you didn't call me the next day I would feel utterly foolish and be pretty pissed with myself for making a rash move. If you texted me a few days later I would think you're a little odd. You weren't attracted to me enough to call me the next day or you left it instead long enough to to realise you hadn't had that impromptu shag for the week. Either way, you weren't that into me. So, that's my interpretation but who knows what she was thinking. Either way you dun fucked up by not texting her the next day. Fuck what the dating books say. Women want you to be attracted to them. The just don't want you breathing down their necks. If you really want to give it ago just write back about how you feel honestly, that it was a bit of a surprise she would talk to you. If nothing else you will just be ignored.

^typing on my small phone. Very badly written.

>>16898597
This OP. There are many reasons women do what you just described. You will probably never know what that reason was. You have to let it go.

>>16899421
>As a girl I find 10/10 guys unappealing.
I have heard multiple women say this. My boss told me one reason her husband was "perfect for her" was because ... she "wants to be the pretty one in the relationship."

I was like boss... please never tell that to your husband because you're calling him ugly.
>You weren't attracted to me enough to call me the next day
OP I want you to enshrine this quote into your heart and realize the following:
>men desire women
>women desire the desire of men.
Female desire is entirely narcissistic. They don't want you for you; they want you for how you make them feel desired. Why do you think every female written erotic novel has a "rape" scene in it where the guy is hot and manly... but then after "ravishing" the girl against her will she turns him into the "cuddly caveman"?

They don't want you for you. They want you so that you want them and they feel good about themselves.

>>16899421
This is me and I am referring to >>16899433
I think what you say is probably mostly on point but I want to raise a few things. I think you're right in the way that a selfish gene wants to propagate itself. I'm pretty sure you're bright enough to know what I'm referring too. I know it's not implicitly implied here but this kind of narcissism isn't really a negative thing considering it's about ensuring she is looking after her own security, conscious or not. I think the danger lies in seeing this mechanism as 'this is manipulative bitches at work'. Don't ever think that this negates genuine affection.

>>16899520

It IS " manipulative bitches at work" behavior

From a guy's perspective, it's pretty fucking simple. I like that girl cuz she's _______

I can't understand why it's not that simple for women
Why can't you actually pursue a man FOR HIM rather than just craving attention for yourself

>>16899543
You sound really jaded. Look, I can't speak for other women. Only for myself and I don't operate like that. I don't see myself as unusual either. People do have genuine relationships but you won't ever get that as long as you have this 'us vs them' attitude. Either way, sounds like you are doing a whole lot of mental gymnastics to justify why your relationships fail. But hey, its just a guess.

>>16899520
Damn.... That was actually one of the best replies I've seen on here and I've been here all morning. Fucking finally, someone with a brain!
>I think the danger lies in seeing this mechanism as 'this is manipulative bitches at work'.
I agree; it's easy to fall into that trap because (and I don't speak for all men), *I* like women for WHO they are, not HOW they make ME feel lol. Obviously they can't make me feel like shit - unhealthy - but it's very strange to me that women desire me for how I make them feel....

...because I could be the worst person in the world but make them feel great. Does that mean they'll want me? Yes, actually, it does. I find that intellectually.... irrational and harmful.
>Don't ever think that this negates genuine affection.
Doesn't it though? Getting into philosophy here - one version seems to be "love" of the person for their virtues - hard working, smart, funny, ethical, etc.

The other version seems to be "loving" someone for personal and selfish gratification.

In a world with robots, a robot could give a woman that kind of satisfaction, "Oh I love you so much you're so amazing duuurrrr." A robot could not be made (within reason) to demonstrate virtues like striving and grinding to better oneself in the face of adversity.

Female desire seems.... selfish in every way. It's not about the man as a person; it's about the man as an object and instrument for her own desires.

If men aren't supposed to treat women like objects (which I agree with), then why do we accept that women treat men like instruments for self-validation? I think it's hard to say the affection is "genuine" when it's entirely self-focused.

>>16899568
That's assuming a lot based on nothing

I am jaded but only because examples such as the one you provided yourself are too common and frankly I can't understand them

The behavior you described is inherently manipulative. You are trying to bait a person to love you so that you feel better. In no way is it in interest for the other person. Considering that a person that thinks this way can continue to seek being the desire of other men is why I find it scummy.

If the main purpose of the relationship is seeking desire of others then why would that person stop at one.

>>16899579
Once I started reading about evolution and truly understanding its implications its very hard to maintain that 'all men are misogynists' and 'all women are gold diggers'. I belive these concepts are most commonly held by those trying to graple with rejection. I think happiness lies in accepting that each gender and their attraction motivators are different and accepting each other for that. We all face rejection at some point.

Love and attraction is so complicated and selfish on both sides. Boiling it down to 'this gender is worse because ___ ' is naive and childish.

I think you should of texted her later that day or the next, the few day rule is bs.

>>16899615
You aren't really understanding what I've been saying. I referred to the book '
The Selfish Gene' since it wraps up my point eloquently and it's a concept that I would prefer left to a geneticist to explain over my layman interpretation. I may have presumed to much by thinking you may have been exposed to the concept. I understand what you're saying and I think it's sad you have come to that conclusion. I would encourage you to go out and mix with some more genuine people to help you grow.

>>16899625
Um... you're the guy I responded to right? I have no problem at all with rejection; it's quite the opposite in fact since I rarely ever get rejected. Why? I make women feel great. I learned that secret a long time ago - make her feel awesome and she does whatever you want.

What bothers me is that, in my experience and all of the science and pseudoscience i've read, female desire is entirely narcissistic. No woman has ever loved me for my "virtues." No woman ever says to me, "You're an honest man who works hard to better himself and that's why I love you."

It's always based on how I make HER feel. And, as I explained, that seems like the very definition of selfish. And selfishness is cancer IMO when it comes to relationships. Bettering your own life? Sure be selfish. Get yours. But in a relationship? How are we going to look ourselves in the mirror and try to honestly say that being motivated by selfishness is an "acceptable" thing?
>Boiling it down to 'this gender is worse because ___ '
Except i didn't do that....

>>16899615

Expose yourself to some feminists. See how batshit crazy they sound. Then think about how you sound just like that but just for the other gender.

>>16898324
>the girl next to me says "that's a big yawn"

for you

>>16899713

In what way

Why don't you elaborate what you are trying to say because there are sensible feminists and batshit feminists

>>16899707
Sounds like you've dated cunts to be honest. I hate that attitude in both men and women. I just reject you generalisation that all women are like that. However, perhaps part of it comes from a self esteem problem. Perhaps they did like you for those reasons but because you were waiting on specific signals you never received your interpretation of the relationship became toxic? I have no idea, just a suggestion.

>>16899729
3rd wave feminists are the batshit crazy ones.

>>16899729
Feminists will often allude to 'institutionalised behaviors'. 'Men expecting X and treating women like objects'. Yes, you do sound similar.

This manipulatative scummy bitch is off to bed by the way. It's been a pleasure having this civil discussion and at times civil disagreement. I enjoy conversation like this. Only wish I could talk more on the subject. Bye lads and ladies

>>16898553
>>16899421
I guess I should've called. I was afraid it'd be too intrusive. There goes opportunity

>>16899732
You know.... that was a very insightful post. Thank you for writing it. I've been trying to get in tune with myself lately because yeah, I feel like perhaps I'm making poor decisions with my women.

I want to believe man. I want to really believe.

>>16899787
> calls women cunts
>'Well done anon, insightful post!'

>>16899874
hahahha you need to read more carefully next time:
>Sounds like you've dated cunts to be honest.
I'm going to emphasize the important parts of that small sentence so your retard brain can absorb it in bite sized chunks:
>Women.... YOU HAVE.... DATED
Wouldn't you agree that I would be in a good position to judge the cuntiness of the women *I* have been with that you have never met?

Go away you fucking troll.

>>16899421
i feel like this is my problem with women. I'm a guy and i have done modelling in the past. Women find me good looking but they never really initiate anything with me. Im not very experienced with women, i have had small relationships but that is about it. Women seem to assume that i have had lots of relationships. I asked a girl to dance with me in a club once, she kept saying "you are so good looking, you could have any girl in here", although she never even text once.

>>16899920
It never ceases to amaze me how each person, regardless of how great you think their life is, faces their own interesting challenges.

It makes sense that women would be intimidated by you and think "OH he can't possibly be with me/stay with me/he could have anyone." It doesn't make sense that it actually matters to getting women. If you're so hot, you should be the *most* confident man because you really don't have to try besides assuaging their fears like all men have to do anyway.
>"you are so good looking, you could have any girl in here"
>you: Yeah, I could, and I want you.

>>16899889
not him but it does sound like you have some severe self esteem problems considering you get so upset at an anonymous post

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You're asian right?

You posted this multiple times months ago, you missed your chance

You look fine, like an average asian. some girls get yellow fever, roll with it

but if this is who I think this is you have issues far beyond your looks and you should see a shrink

>>16899955
Im normally quite confident but i can be distant with people. I daydream often and i feel as though women think i am being arrogant and self absorbed. The truth is, i find most people boring. I like to think about books i am currently reading, and i often dont bring them up because i assume people will find them boring. Also, when it comes to actually being in a relationship, a few women have been really insecure and needy. My lack of confidence comes from fear that the effort i do put into women will be wasted.

>>16899955
Also, I do a lot of boxing training and i think women assume i am going to be violent. about a year ago i used to often walk around with incredibly bruised and blood knuckles.

Maybe she realized you hadn't met anyone that night and was trying to be nice to give you confidence. Maybe it was a fake number or she didn't intend to respond, which might kind of defeat the purpose of being nice but you can't go too far down the rabbit hole of women's logic.

>>16900147
How big are you? I want to get into boxing

>>16900214
5'10. 12 stone.

>>16900227
You're a fucking midget, bro.

>>16900638
nice b8, well thought out.

>>16900036
Sup Anon. I actually hadn't thought about this in months, I just started thinking about it again because it came up in a conversation with my friend, and I never really got a satisfactory answer as to why it happened the way it did. It'll boggle my mind forever.