>>16877346 My sister and two girls I know had massages that didn't involve touching genitals or breasts that made them orgasm. I haven't made a study or anything but among the women I know that have had massages they're a fair portion. You can probably Google it. >>16877346 > I don't even know anyone who gets massages, let alone gets off from them. I don't know any (openly) gay guys, let alone gay guys who enjoy it in the butt. But I'm fairly certain they exist. Atleast express yourself questioningly.
>>16877378 Well rather my anecdotal experience against no experience. I'm not saying I have proven myself right and you should agree. I'm just saying that that's my experience and it motivates my stance. >>16877382 Women have erogenous zones in more places than men. Pic related is a bit exaggerated, inner thighs are pleasurable for men for instance. But if you search for this you will see that it's basically representative of the situation. Women get touched in their erogenous zones during massage and men don't. Are we supposed to claim any massage of a committed woman is cheating? Of course not. But it'd be only fair if the guy got the same treatment. My sister described it to me (which was weird, but she's weird) she felt very strongly when being massaged on the lower back back of her thighs and neck. She had her orgasm when he went back up to her neck at one point and found it very embarrassing.
But sure, things don't have to be fair. I'm a bit bothered by it though.
>>16877402 >Are we supposed to claim any massage of a committed woman is cheating?
honestly i would say yes. i don't orgasm from massages, but they are a sexual thing for me. i've never had a massage from someone who wasn't my boyfriend, and even when a relative jokingly rubs my shoulders i get disgusted. i could never get a massage from a stranger--it would feel wrong, even if the goal is to relax my muscles
>>16877408 Fair enough. That's the other view. Also fair. But there's many legitimate reasons for massages that I'd say are a bit bigger. Like chronic pain has been shown to be helped by massage. Not exclusively in that area. You can probably look up many reasons for why massage therapy is good.
>>16877413 Yeah it was. But it was an embarrassing moment she wanted to share apparently. I just laughed it off. One of the other girls was a close friend. She's rather forward about that stuff. Third is an ex. I massaged her (though admittedly it's much more personal so it's not like with a therapist) and she eventually orgasmd.
>>16877416 i know that my idea of massage is kind of weird. but even if my bf had back problems, tense muscles, or something that massage could fix, i'd much rather learn how to fix it myself. the idea of someone else sensually rubbing his skin makes me want to maul them
>>16877427 Well it's not a simple task. Also how would you feel about a chiropractor? It's similar in many ways. I don't know anyone that could get an orgasm from it but it's certainly touching the skin in some ways. There's some softening up usually and that's essentially massage.
It's not something you can easily learn. And I certainly don't recommend you take years of physical therapy training to become a chiropractor for your bf's sake. That's a bit much. But I'd certainly enjoy if my gf knew how to massage. It's always me that's giving.
>>16877469 Except it's well established and is widely understood. Willfully remaining ignorant is just as bad as being a bigot. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erogenous_zone I'm surprised they didn't inform you about this in sex ed. We had tons of talks about that, and what guys and girls found attractive. A surprising amount of attention on the forearms but desu the girls often just repeated answers.
This is basic stuff. You know about dental dams I hope. (most would probably avoid oral if that were a problem)
>>16877512 this is the first I've seen anything about this, a lot of places are pretty conservative about sex ed, they only ever cover the basics about how intercourse work, protection and babies and that's it.
>>16877512 American sex ed isn't how to have sex, it's how to make sure you aren't getting anyone pregnant or contracting STDs. I consider this a good thing: I wouldn't want to talk to any of my teachers about how to finger a girl just right.
>>16877580 It's just important to know. I've never done it. >>16877603 >>16877608 Yeah I suppose I shouldn't be assuming. We (I'm in Sweden) had sex ed in grade 6 (12 years old) and in grade 9 (15, age of consent). In grade 6 it was mostly preventative measures like use a condom, how do you insert Penis in vagina. At least on us guy's end. We had a 25 year old come in and talk about his sexual experiences and we had opportunity to ask any questions (first time I heard of the prostate/rim jobs). Dunno what the girls had. It was kept separate.
In grade 15 it was more about moral things and the stuff I mentioned. We watched a few documentaries concerning teen sex life and experiences. What's rape according to the law (drunk sex for instance, you can't consent when intoxicated here, doesn't mean it's not gonna happen or you will be convicted. It's just that it's legally risky). We also had a Q&A session were we passed notes between two classrooms one for boys and one for girls. Asked things like, who has had sex yet? How often are girls horny? What fetishes us guys have (surprising among of foot fetishist at that age) Etc. But girls are such assholes. They gave the most lame answers possible and they were practically lying. Questions like how often you are horny were usually answered with 'I don't know, we don't get elections so we can't tell'. Bullshit, had to send corrections to them and stuff. After that the girls were certainly more sexually aggressive though. I think they lied with their 20%virgins stats. We had like 2/24 non-virgins.
Was a really frustrating moment, we weren't allowed to discuss it afterwards as to allow the questions to be asked more liberally. >>16878075 No that's an incorrect generalization. I just couldn't find a good picture. But it's essentially the case with regards to massages. Read more.
>>16878489 >We (I'm in Sweden) had sex ed in grade 6 (12 years old) and in grade 9 (15, age of consent). In grade 6 it was mostly preventative measures like use a condom, how do you insert Penis in vagina. >In grade 15 it was more about moral things and the stuff I mentioned. We watched a few documentaries concerning teen sex life and experiences.
this seems so surreal to me. Where I went to school (the Dominican republic) they literally told us don't have sex before marriage because the bible says so and don't do any gay shit or you are fucking faggot. All the girls my age were pregnant by 19
>>16877315 for about 6 months as I saved for car repair I worked in a massage parlor, I needed money quick and just couldn't force myself to dance though I tried that one time. I knew some of the other girls did this (and the only reason I started work there) but quickly realized the girls that did got the larger tips so after the second week I would and realized other than having to clean the guy up afterward I didn't really see it as sex but a massage. I was already putting my hands everywhere else. I had a bf at the time, didn't tell him where I was working but it is nowhere near cheating. Sometimes the guys tried to touch me but I wouldn't allow that and stopped the massage and left if they persisted.
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