>>16705947 If you consider that women think that 80% of men are below average you may see that its not the mans fault. Not everyone can have a zac evron or a channing, abd these guys are usually the type to use women for sex. So that they become less desireable for a guy to have a loving relationship with and build a live for/with.
>>16705917 They do. It's much sadder to see an old lady without a husband than an old man without a wife.
It's actually worse for girls to be single, and here's why- It's easier for girls to get a boyfriend, right? So what does that say about girls who don't have a boyfriend? They must be REALLY insufferable if NO GUY wants to date them, right?
It's embarrassing, which is why girls don't make a big deal when they are single. Maybe to their friends, but not publicly. It's like advertising how undesirable you are.
>>16706247 As women get older they get more pressure from those around them to settle down and have a family, compared to men. Women also like to flaunt their relationships around in their social circles.
Just because you feel bad that you don't have a girlfriend doesn't mean that women aren't pressured by society to get hitched.
>>16705947 >It's more socially acceptable to be a single male (bachelor), than to be a single female. No it isn't. It may have been back in the 1950s but now if you're a guy with no gf, there's something wrong with you. If you're a girl with no bf, you're just being picky.
>>16705917 >Why do more guys complain about TFW no gf than girls about no bf?
Because the majority of males are considered by females to be below average in looks. Yes, that means that average males are below average looks. Try to figure out that one.
Furthermore, girls always go for douchebags, because douchebags are the narcissistic ones that want to use people for their benefit, and thus have no problems with confidence. Lack of self confidence comes from having empathy with others, because only with empathy with others can you feel undeserving, inadequate, or not quite sure of yourself in attracting a girl. You think of her as a real thing with her own mind.
Douchebags don't. They either want her to hop on the dick, and have the confidence to demand it and get it, or they get her to fuck off.
In the middle ground there is the attractive guy who is slightly nicer, so these two groups get all the pussy/relationships.
I saw an 18 year old I knew get involved with a guy that took pictures of himself drunk driving, was lying about having sex witjh someone else. She gave him 2 years of life and pussy because he was using her for sex, in return she got shit on. Now, not saying that people can't just be together for sex, but she was misled. Why did she find this guy the most attractive? Because he was like any guy who does the following
>treat women like men. That is, don't get nervous, talk to them then walk off. Be confident, talk about manly shit like cars, and then disappear. They will want you.
A sociopath or narcissist will do this kind of stuff as part of their developed ability to deal with social situations. That makes them automatically more attractive than more down to earth males who don't think they're the top shit and have some humility, which most average looking males do.
You ever hear about chavs? They get 5 babies, no job, and tons of hot pussy because they're 'confident'. There's something wrong with females' brains.
>>16705917 My experience is the majority of women are terrible. Unfortunately this is also true of most men. This means either sex should be able to be lonely if they're willing to hold out for someone who is not terrible.
On the other hand... a man who feels unbearably lonely can't just go pick up a girlfriend to remind him of how terrible most people are when you pick at random where a woman can. This means women are more likely to realize the hard part is finding one that isn't crazy.
>>16706552 The exact same can be said for "tfw no gf" guys. There are ugly, fat, pregnant women who would love a BF to support them. But obviously, most guys would rather be alone than with them. Then they go online and whine about "tfw no gf"
>>16705917 Because it's easier for an average woman to get a boyfriend than it is for an average man to get a girlfriend. As other people have already said, the majority of women believe that 80% of men are below-average and refuse to give them a second glance. They only go to these guys as a last resort (as in I'm 34 and not married, I need to find someone).
I think there's also a societal aspect to it too. Despite what some fedora tippers here have claimed, men past ~21 or so without girlfriends are seen by society as losers, loners, and unable to, whereas women past the same age without boyfriends are just picky or choosing to stay single. Being portrayed as a loser by society naturally causes people to surround themselves with other "losers" for support.
>for context, I'm 25 and have never had any romantic contact with a woman ever. I sometimes wonder what it would be like, but I've realized that it's probably not all that it's cracked up to be, judging from how often people get stressed out by relationships.
>>16707213 >but I've realized that it's probably not all that it's cracked up to be, judging from how often people get stressed out by relationships.
Like everything else in life I'm sure it becomes relative. It's like how you hear about guy jerking off to porn when they have a horny wife waiting in bed. When I hear that I just scratch my head and think how insane that is to hear. But I guess people just get used to fucking their wives/gf and get bored of it, to the point where online porn is better.
Same with relationships, you'll sometimes hear people wishing they were single again (though I doubt they honestly mean it) but the same principals apply. You just get used to being in one so it's not anything meaningful anymore.
That's my take on it anyways, I doubt ill ever get a chance to experience any of it. But ill take comfort in knowing it's not always what I have built it up to be in my head.
do you guys have any idea how undesirable ugly women are?
>be me >working at a retail clothing store >a 20 year old girl and her mom walk in >20 year old is overweight, half shaven dyed hair, giant nose and tiny eyes. >mother hold up a shirt and goes "oh sweetie look, isn't this cute?" >girl goes "SHUT UP, MOM. YOU ARE ANNOYING ME." >girl obviously has autism, because the mom kind of shrugs it off like "ok, sorry" >an associate walks up to her before I can intervene "hi! Can I help you find anything today?" >girl fidgets and says loudly "no! go AWAY you plebeian" >the mom is like "Olivia, why don't you let her help you! She knows where all the good stuff is" >sales associate obviously uncomfortable, but the girl agrees so the sales associate starts bringing her some options. >comes with like 10 things "okay, give me a thumbs up if you want to try it on, and a thumbs down if you dont like it" >girl gives a lengthy explanation as to why each article of clothing is not what she's looking for, but is extremely vague at the same time. "No... The way this part is here... This part is bad. And the stitching here looks too thick..." >sales associate just give us and hides in the back.
It was like extremely uncomfortable, that girl was super mean. Even as a desperate guy who lives for sex, it would not be worth living with someone so ugly inside and out.
>>16707287 I know plenty of people who are autistic and have other mental disorders. This was my first experience with someone who was openly MEAN. It wasn't just an inability to understand social cues or a poor filter- she was rude both to her mother and to us.
Maybe it's harder for her to interact socially, but that doesn't mean that she is not accountable for the way she presents herself. Even if it takes some extra effort, she should still aim to be polite and learn how to interact with others.
Her mother allowed her to walk all over her, so maybe it's how she was raised.
But how is she going to function as an adult or find love or a job one day if she cannot interact with a basic level of courtesy? It's not helpful to just dismis it as "that's just the way she is". We all have to conform to societies standards to some extent, even if it's harder for some than it is for others.
Again, I deal with customers all the time who have social anxiety, autism, and other mental issues. She is the only one who has been openly hostile
I'm not the hottest or tallest guy around but I take a lot of pride on my personality. I love who I am on the inside, I'm kind, funny, loyal, a good listener and I legitimately want to see those I care about happy. It's just hard to keep a positive outlook on my situation when most people turn me down just because how my height or how I look.
I just hope I stumble across that woman who gives me a chance to make us both happy before I die.
>>16707213 >>16707243 That is the case for the most part. It's literally like getting a new job that requires a bit of on the job training right off the bat. It's shaky at first but you get used to it and it becomes a way of life.
>>16707243 I think there's a lot of >tfw no gf guys have built up a mindset that getting into a relationship will solve all of their unhappiness problems. That's partly society's fault too. We're constantly shown portrayals of happy couples in the media, and a lot of people see it on a day to day basis. It establishes a mindset that being in a relationship will make you happy, and that's only further reinforced by the social ostracizing of older men who either aren't in a relationship or have never been in one.
>>16707355 >that's not how averages work. what you mean is the average male is uglier on the surface than the average female.
Why do you think I told you to figure that one out?
50% of males were rated by women as below average. You and I both know looks, among all other things human, are on a bell curve. 50% of males is going to fall into the average category, yet women claim these 50% are below average in looks.
That is exactly why I said think about it. it means that they perceive average looks to be below average looks.
>>16707355 what he means is that there was a study where women rated a random sample of men. they rated 80% of them as below average, so what he meant was that objectively average males (and even objectively above average males) are relatively below average in looks, from the perspective of females
PROTIP: Many women equate their standard to "average" "Below average" means "below my standard"
Also, where the fuck are these statistics from? Anyone who volunteered for such a study is probably a stick up bitch anyways. AND- who's to say what the "average male" really is? Did they take a photo of every man in the world and combine them to create the perfect "average man"? Citing that "study" as a reliable sample from which to base your entire opinion of women around is seriously stupid
Spend 1 month. Eat right, exercise, do the usual good bullshit for yourself. Also believe that you will lose weight and gain muscle when you workout, as it'll improve the odds of that stuff happening.
Here's where the shittery comes in. Spend 1 month, once or twice a night using a 20 minute relaxation and meditation set, relax the body, and then imagine yourself becoming more attractive. Imagine your body changing physically do to so, your genes turning on or off, etc.
After 20 minutes like this, you're done for the night. You'll get the benefits of exercise, you will get the benefit of confidence from both the meditation and the exercise, and you'll slay more pussy even if it turns out the mental bullshit about reshaping your body is just pure bullshit, and your health will be improved due to nightly meditation.
Its a no lose situation. It might have a chance in hell of working like you want, but it will certainly help you in other ways.
>>16707338 Well I'm rooting for you even though I'm on the opposite team. Because your short and mid-height you are more trustworthy looking compared to me. Douchebags are my height so that is why. But look at me as the bad guy like you are now and strive to do more than me. Be one in a million, not one in ten. You are one in a million by being yourself and not attuning to groups. And you may even steal the chick from me. So that'll be good for you. So I'm going to make it like this, "FUCKING QUEER YOU'LL NEVER MAKE IT FAGGOT!" so that you'll learn to ignore it and move forward. I'm the obvious, now what about the hidden. Also dude I played a lot of video games and watch movies and exercised. Best start trying to one up the tall guy and showing him he deserves to be an outcast alright.
>>16707402 it's very depressing to say the least, because I see a lot of good looking dudes with sub par girls and silently think to myself "he could do better" and meanwhile she probably thinks she's settling for this guy.
that being said girls can set their standards bar as high as they want, the fact of the matter is theres more women than men on this planet, so at some point they're gunna have to lower it and accept that they're not as hot as their instagram filter makes them believe
or they can die alone with their 30 cats, I couldn't care less about stuck up bitches
>>16707405 Dating sites are for people who don't know how to meet with or socialize with people irl. Why would an guy of average or above average looks even need to go on that site? 80% of the males who go on OK Cupid are "below average" in looks. They key part of that is "OF MALES THAT GO ON OK CUPID". That is not a random sample, and it does not reflect society in general
>>16707407 If I found one who was interested in me I wouldn't hesitate to ask her out if we shared a bit in common. Do "ugly" girls even use dating sites? I just assumed they don't use them for the same reason I don't.
>>16707417 >>>16707402 >it's very depressing to say the least, because I see a lot of good looking dudes with sub par girls and silently think to myself "he could do better" and meanwhile she probably thinks she's settling for this guy.
Grass is greener syndrome. Women are raised as princesses, and told not only can they have it all, but they should have it all.
>>16707417 Exactly and they always go after the older guy. Not the tall one, but the older one. Always the older one, he's like 22-27 years old and she would be 18-19. While me on the other hand I'm 21 and trying to get a girlfriend that is 23. Girls can be tricky believe me. But we are mostly men here and we lived our lives differently. Girls grew up with barbies and Guys with G.I. Joes. So we look like the assholes when we make jokes about them being fat and ugly because they are in the barbie world. On the other hand we get offended when looked as potential pedophiles and potential murderers in the G.I. Joe world. So both worlds when mixed together is reality.
>>16707479 Socializing is what I call the art of learning when not to give a fuck. Like right not your using a social skill by showing you don't give a fuck about me, not literally and no need for being over analytical, but it's fine. Also in the barbie's world girls always strive for older guys because they grew up having crushes on them.
>>16707503 That is why we all have trouble because what is popular is what is wanted. Me, ain't popular so not wanted. But I know ways around this for sure in some ways and I mean in a good way. The reason why 27 year oldwins is that he is high on the hierarchy with his peers and the popular girl feels she'll get higher in the hierarchy with that guy. What they don't know really is that me being a nerd and attractive I'm actually getting higher than them because I'm following my dreams of a filmmaker and still pursing it regardless of the troubles. But then again you are more worried about getting a popular girl than anything. Reason is that you are stuck in G.I. Joe's ranking. So you need to learn some skills and start getting a hobby and start getting a job or go to college and get a degree. By the way don't get stuck on the high school belief to get the girl who was there all along. Because there may be girls who disbelieve you at the moment but actually do care about deep down inside as a friend or secretly had a crush on you and wanted to make sure it was hidden. Because girls they're scared of the hierarchy. They friendzone you for a reason one girl may friendzone you because she is afraid you'll get killed while the other is the hierarchy and the one after that is ditching you because you spoke too much of what she was doing in fear of the other girls hurting her and her friends, so you were an acquaintance. Right now I appear very douchey so they'll just pass me off. But look at me as the bad guy. And basically what I told you was not sexist but telling you in the simplist terms: "Drama." and avoid it. Besides one night stand guy stealing all of the girls is the villian. Me I'm stuck to one girl and that's it and I be her friend and acquaintance while making sure she is alright then date when she feels comfortable now. Kinda like you would with your friend right? Again d
>>16707506 But I may get one girl in mind each time I have a crush and get a new crush but I always try to respectful and not treat them as pets but rather another human being, besides I'm attracted to them making decisions so they could ditch me in a heartbeat and I'll be fine. Also right now I appear stupid, because I had to get info out as quick as possible.
>>16707520 So no problem. Also I never had a girlfriend yet and I'm only spouting out what I heard and know and figured out of the world. It won't help you out from the get go and you have to not worry that your hormones kicking in won't prevent you from losing your virginity soon.
>>16707531 I also appear the crazy one. But these only work for me. You have benefits in you that you know very well. I'm only sharing what I learned. So you'll find it. And I'm kinda lazy too, so well good luck to you getting your girlfriend and I'll be on the outlines as your enemy that you learn to one up.
>>16707584 They say that AFTER their fun has ended, they had their sex and honey moon phase and after that ended they feel no one else should experience it because it's shit in their eyes. Or they're just trying to make you feel less pathetic.
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