>>16683961 yes. i don't know if this is possible when you have a dick. i know i can force myselfe to orgasm, but it's not a pleasant thing cause your genitals are way too sensitive for such forcefull stimulation if you aren't aroused. why do you want to do this?
>>16683970 I've been depressed for longer than I can remember and I've yet to be able to bullshit a psychiatrist to prescribe me antidepressants, and I just need some sort of a quick fix, some kind of a nicotine patch for joy or pleasure before I lose my goddamn mind.
>>16684068 yeah, i don't like it too. that's why i cut a small piece up and mix it into my morning-oats. helped me to finally get off my ssris. besides other things ofcourse, but maybe it has helped a bit too.
>>16684103 >care to tell me a bit more about your sexual developement? In three words: Everything went wrong.
To say it more briefly, I was born without a Y chromosome, started producing excessive amounts of estrogen, grew tits at 10 and started to menstruate at 11, hated literally every minute of it, realised the root of the problem at 14, spent the next three years being convinced that the root of the problem is NOT the root of the problem, and as a matter of fact I do not even have a problem and the idea that I hate it is downright preposterous.
Spent the years 18 to 21 trying to get femininity to stick to me with duct tape and glue (sometimes literally) and got fucked a lot of men I did not like, felt ambivalent about, ro downright disliked, came to my senses about a year ago and can't goddamn get myself off.
I've never had an orgasm and while I've been trying to masturbate before I even knew what it was, I've never been able to do it. Usually these days I take a vibrator and just push it against my clit, and it doesn't do much but it feels vaguely like something.
>>16684118 welp... what doesn it do in your case that you miss a y chromosome? i can relate to some extend. i menstruated at 11 and got breasts shortly before. and big ones. i had a very promiscuous phase too. i lost my virginity at age 12. i was able to orgasm when masturbating, but never (until a few weeks ago) with somebody else. i was severely depressed and had a diagnosed burn out a year ago. i got a lot of isses with my own femininity, also because my dad had a big problem with me going into puberty that early. not that i had enough issues with it on my own... i never learned how to interact with the other gender in a way that isn't sexual. i just used sex to feel wanted. what did it for me was to finally fall in love with a really awesome guy that deeply cares about me. i feel safe and at home with him so i was finally able to let go and orgasm. i cant really give you that much advice. just give yourself time to heal and do some growing. go to therapy to work on the underlying issues. make peace with your body. i finally am able to work WITH my body instead of AGAINST it. it's still a long way to go but i'm getting there. and so will you.
>>16684125 >missing a y chromosome. I'm just transgender. Male brain in a female body. It sounds a lot more fun than it is, and I can assure you wearing pretty dresses and riding a thousand dicks isn't fun when you hate yourself.
I appreciate your story but it doesn't really help much.
>>16684158 I'm still entirely pre-op so I just look like a woman in boy clothes. I haven't been to a doctor because doctors are for medical conditions and this is not going to kill me.
>>16684168 dude I can't even score weed in this town. My last weed dealer owes me 120 euros so I'm never goign to see him again, and he had never even heard of xanax or other legit medications being sold in street market.
>>16684183 umh, you got some serious issues. not being negative here, but dealing with the feelings that come with having the "wrong" gender is a BIG issue for anybody to cope with all alone. i guess you could greatly benefit from some professional help. like hormon therapy for example. not to mention psychological help.
>>16684185 Iv'e been trying to get professional help for eight years now. The problem is, they're still going to play games with me and waste my time for the next 6 months up to two years before I can even start with treatments. It's the fancy scandinavian system.
Imagine going to a doctor with your arm chopped off and then having to convince the doctor you weren't just born without an arm and no amount of blood will convince them.
I just need to get off. Seriosuly, it's the least destructive thing I can do. I need some way to substitute cutting myself, some fix or crutch or cheat code to make it until tomorrow without killing myself or hurting anyone else.
>>16684246 everything that gets your blood boilling. what's your sitation like? why not do something daring and spontaneous? or try ot something new? why not practice doing a backflip? it will def get your adrenaline rushing when you get to the moment where you just have to jump and hope for the best. and it will definitely occupy your mind. it might sound silly, but why not give it a try?
>>16684249 I finished a pointless artesan college last christmas, and I'm currently trying to get a job while making plans of school, trying my best to not to deteriorate into a complete NEET. The house is too small for me to do anything physical indoors, and it's too fucking cold to do anything outside. Also, mom's neighbours will look at me funny.
I have the first appointment at the trans clinic in March, and I can't exactly run off to smoke pot in Madagascar while waiting. I need to be here and be ready in case I can land a job.
It's certainly possible to cause those reactions when they aren't wanted. Many victims do have them, and they often count it as one of the most traumatic parts of the entire experience.
It is also possible for people's bodies to enter that state spontaneously, whether they wamt it or not. Multiple sclerosis is probably the most common cause, though not all MS patients show that symptom. There are some other conditions that can cause this too. I don't think this can be called rape, because there is no rapist: nobody acts to make it happen. In legal terms, there is no mens rea. But this is not much comfort for those who suffer from it. I also don't think it's what OP meant to ask about, though I vould be wrong about that.
I think OP was talking about a conscious act: something that someone deliberately does to one's self, against one's own will. I could see this in a situation where you were forced by another person to do this, and I would even call that rape, but not self-rape: the person who forced you to do it is the rapist in that situation. But I suspect that this isn't what OP meant to ask about either.
More specifically, I think OP was asking about something one does to oneself, against one's will, without being forced to by anyone else. I find this extraordinarily difficult to imagine. If two people shared a body, one could do it to the other: multiple-personality disorder is controversial, but the Hensel sisters (who are conjoined twins, sharing one body below the waist) present a realistic if almost-unique scenario. but I'm STILL fairly sure that this isn't what OP meant to ask: despite their biological arrangement, the Hensel sisters are two different people, complete with separate brains, and one accepts MPD as realistic then the personalities should also be considered different people.
Really, when we get down to the crux of it, I think OP wants to test how reasonable he can make it sound to claim that his fapping is literal self-rape. And, well, no.
>>16684271 What I'm mostly trying to ask is if it's possible for me to get my genitalia to climax without my brain being aroused in any way. As a matter of fact I find the entire process off-putting but if there's any body part I can abuse to force my body into giving me endorphins, I want it.
>>16684305 ofcourse there's nothing comparable. an orgasm is the thing that keeps people going. that's pretty deep rotted. nothing you can do about it. there are a lot of other pleasureable tings to do. and yes, laughing is a very good starter. do you know a movie that never fails to make you laugh? watch it!
>>16684424 You sound like life is nothing but a chore princess. Get yourself some bitcoin, order some good shit from a darkmarket and perhaps then you'll be able to rewire yourself to be able to enjoy life. My buddy gifted me some sunshine from said source and it definitely helped ease my depression for long enough to change a shitty situation.
>>16684447 Had those feels for a while, its not worth it. Improve your lot and enjoy what you can. Sitting around and worrying about how things are rather than changing things for yourself is pointless.
Google is your friend for learning how to do other fun shit.
>>16684512 I can't do drugs, I'm living with my mom.
Besides, I already told you masturbation just doesn't work. I can physically push the vibrator against my clit until it turns blue and not feel marginally better than when you clean your ears really well with a q-tip.
As a matter of fact, I think cleaning my ears feels better. And since I prefer masturbation to sex, cleaning my ears with a q-tip is literally better than sex.
Hitachi magic wand coupled with a smooth dildo. Broad surface of wand means that you won't have to abuse yourself finding the sweet spot, dildo to offset the intense feelings of clitoral stimulation. Source: I am someone who hates sex, can never come from it, doesnt have a sex drive and only faps for the endorphins. Takes very little time too. Downside is is that its noisy.
>>16685058 Try aliexpress or eBay, don't have to get the hitachi brand, just a cheap one will do. Got mine for 30AUD. Play loud, nonstop music in your room or wait till they go out, ask for some private time, or take it into the bathroom while you shower (not while you shower because electricity, but to mask the sound). Loud music/shower drowns it out. You'll find a way to use it, i hope.
>>16685072 I've literally masturbated to fat dudes having their tits groped. I know what I like, I just don't like it bad enough.
>>16685088 I only have the want/need to masturbate at night, it's a bedtime activity to me, and I sleep right in the next room from my sister. The walls are so thin that you can literally have conversations through it without raising your voice, and she is, like, AUTISTIC sensitive to absolutely any sensory data, and would not and could not tolerate me blasting viking metal during sleepytimes.
It looks like this shit is gonna be one more on the "shit I get to do once I get a job and can pay rent"-list.
I have a tiny vibrator, though. Is there any McGyver way to make it more potent without frying my cunt thoroughly?
>>16685111 Aw damn, that sucks. It does get easier once you move out.
I've never had to mod a vibe, and its dangerous to fiddle with the electrical parts. Only thing I can suggest is to find a rubber cap or soft plastic cup to fit over the tip, with something that's heat resistant and soft to fill the gap. It would make it less powerful, but youll find it easier to find what you like. More surface area is good for me. Just make sure it won't melt or catch on fire. Magic wands are more powerful, and worth it. You can get mini magic wands too. Have a shop around. What do you have now?
>>16685158 Fuck that piece of shit, had one while I was exploring masturbation and that shit hurt, and was very touch and go when it came to the deed. They are as noisy as a mini wand I think. The problem with bullets is that th vibration is distributed evenly throughout the device, when you only need to use a particular part, and more distribution means its weaker. Wands focus on one point. I wish i could help more. Mini wands, depending on size, can make noise thats similar to what you have now. Plus you can muffle it with pillows. I dont know what else i can say at this point. At the least, you need a new toy.
>>16685178 Run the water, ya dingus. Part of pretending to take a shower is to make it sound convincing. Then take a two minute shower. Lay a couple of towels on the floor to lay on. With a bullet I needed an hour plus to cum. With a wand you won't need as long, once you figure it out. Trust me. I get absolutely no stimulation from sex, oral, porn, nothing, and with a wand and dildo, I come in less than 30 seconds if its a rush job. This will take time and perseverance. It's not an easy fix.
>>16685224 Yeah, look up mini magic wand. It'll give you specs. I use 1000 rpms but that needs a powerpoint. Therehs ones that use AA and AAA. I cant link you any because my nets capped and itll take way too long. But its always fun to shop.
>>16685262 Take that bullshit out of here. I grew up never masturbating, and only started trying it when I was 23 years old. Took a year, yes. But during that time, I fucked a few dudes and not one of them made me cum. Its fucking easy to make men cum. Women ive found more difficult. Im not going to point out peoples prowess, but ive never seen threads about how to make men cum, just women. Whose the more useless sex now eh?
>>16685282 >Men can make women and themselves cum >Women need tips on how to make men cum without men just using their vagina and take an hour to pleasure themselves Yeah, men are the losers here. Stupid girl.
>>16685290 Not all men can make women cum, but they can make themselves cum. Your first sentence is very generalized for someone who speaks as if they have multitudes of varied sexual experiences, so can give an educated opinion of the subject. Please note the sarcasm. Your second sentence, if you can call it that, does not make any sense. All I can say is that both men and women look for tips on how to pleasure their partners, but as a regular user of 4chan, i see more threads on how to pleasure women than men. Not all women take an hour to pleasure themselves. If you had bothered to read, I stated that at the beginning of my masturbation journey It took me an hour. Now I can take as little as 30 seconds. I am 28 years old, so not a girl. Can be stupid at times but I am not a girl.
Did you only post in this thread to make fun of someone taking an hour to pleasure themselves? That in itself is stupid.
>>16685174 that's not even what schizophrenia is, literal or otherwise. I think you are referring to dissociative identity disorder or something.
>>16685262 >women suck at everything you're pretty bad at using your brain though. one person using a weak bullet vibe =/= all women all the time. I can usually get myself off in about five minutes. when I was on ssri's it took me upwards of half an hour, sometimes more. sometimes I'd give up. but at least if I lost my arousal I could apply a little lube and keep on fuckin' til I got horny again. so yeah.
>>16685335 Oh noes! Someone who thinks that nearing 30 is a bad thing for women! Whatever will I do!?!? Seriously? You, at any point in your life, will never fuck a 30 year old person? Even when you're nearing 50? I hope you mature as you get older, because to me you don't even sound like you're 20.
Caring about age and deteriorating looks as you get older is superficial as fuck for me. I don't care that I'm nearing 30. At least I won't be turning into a wizard ;)
anyway, before this thread turns into even more of a space shuttle crash than it already is:
OP is there any way you could get a few sessions with a sex therapist? I'm sure they would be able to help you more than a regular therapist. counselors deal with all sorts of stuff but sex therapists deal with all sex stuff all the time. they'd probably have more information on what works for people in your situation. they will probably cost more and might not be covered under your health plan, so you might have to save up for it. but if I were you I'd at least look into it if you haven't already.
>>16685356 /adv/ people get so mad so easily. Calm down, babycakes, I end up feeling bad for you dumb girls after like 10 minutes of messing with you. How long it takes you to get an orgasm is a non-issue, okay? Geez.
>>16685370 Oh, i don't need your pity, baby cakes, for you see, i was in fact having fun with you. Had a rebuttal for every point you made, and now that you can't make any more, you act like "y u so mad tho?" And "man you gotta calm down, I feel bad for you". Here's the thing, fuckface, I was never angry, and I enjoyed whatever label you wish to impose on the interaction we had. Now you've got nothing to say. And this makes me laugh. Move along.
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