Understanding Evangelion Ep. 24, especially the DC version:

>>153791301
So from this scene, at least in the dub, are we supposed to believe that
>Kaworu was *told explicitly* that Adam's body was fused with Gendo
>he knows Lilith is in Terminal Dogma but goes there anyway and then acts surprised

Going on from that-
>What is SEELE's 'wish' as mentioned at the end of the transcript? this scene makes it sound as if his task at NERV involves some kind of interaction with Gendo
>What was SEELE's aim in sending Kaworu to NERV?
>What was Kaworu's own perceived purpose for going to NERV?

it's a pretty important point in the story narratively, obviously this is just taken from the dub but unfortunately the only digital rip of Evangelion I have atm uses the English dub's subtitles instead of a translation of the Japanese, if anyone can suggest a better subtitle source let me know.

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>>153791325
>he knows Lilith is in Terminal Dogma
No, he doesn't know Lilith is in Terminal Dogma.
He enters the HQ and senses a large presence, of which he must assume is Adam and so he goes towards it.

Since SEELE told him that Adam is within Gendo, Kaworu may have surmised that it's Gendo down there, as that would be the explanation for him feeling such a presence. It's not like he knew Gendo was in the control room.

>What is SEELE's 'wish' as mentioned at the end of the transcript?
SEELE was lying to Kaworu in that scene, making it seem like they wanted to the angels to rightfully reclaim Earth. Their wish being for Kaworu to return to Adam and revive the angels again.

However their true wish is for all angels to be killed so they can start Instrumentality.

>What was SEELE's aim in sending Kaworu to NERV?
They can't start Instrumentality unless all the angels are dead, they sent him there to die and also to spite Gendo for his disobedience.

>What was Kaworu's own perceived purpose
He simply desired to return to his body. He expressed concern/sadness that humans would have to die for that to happen, but he knew it was his destiny.
SEELE told him they desired that as well, but it is implied he may have known they were lying? Not really clear.

He also wanted to learn more about the lilin, and he achieved that greatly through meeting Shinji.

>>153791891
sweet, that makes sense

>However their true wish is for all angels to be killed so they can start Instrumentality.
I know this is also stated explicitly within the show but why is this the case? the inverse isn't true for a hypothetical angel-guided Third Impact, right?

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Shinji is a transgirl who decided to man up and repress and give up his chance to be a cute girl

>>153792079
*why is this a requirement for Instrumentality?
sorry

What would happen if SEELE/Gendo tried to start Third Impact while there were still Angels alive? Would the Angels try to intervene and stop Third Impact from happening?

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>>153792079
I don't believe it's ever stated in the show on why, but it is definitely a requirement according to the Classified Information from NGE2.

And undebatable considering SEELE / Gendo waited until all angels were killed to start it.

I guess if there were still angels lurking around while humans were in the giant LCL mass in instrumentality, they could easily kill all of them or disrupt it something.

>hypothetical angel-guided Third Impact
Impacts are caused just by contact with Lilith-based or Adam-based lifeforms. Instrumentality is a seperate event that has to be intentionally triggered after the impact has just occured.

The angels never desired their own instrumentality, they just wanted an impact to get rid of the humans / reunite with Adam.

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I'm going to bed now OP so I can't answer any more questions, but if the thread ends up dying we can pick up next time.

Good night!

>>153792455
cheers senpai

>idiots overanalyzing a show with shoehorned religious symbolism
Every time.

>>153792916
we're not talking about the shoehorned religious symbolism though, when do we?

>>153792916
>idiot repeating shit he read on the internet without using his brain
Every time.

>>153791325
>>Kaworu was *told explicitly* that Adam's body was fused with Gendo
Yeah, and that's an actual mistake on the writer's part. The rest of the episode contradicts it.

>>153792286
>What would happen if SEELE/Gendo tried to start Third Impact while there were still Angels alive? Would the Angels try to intervene and stop Third Impact from happening?
Pretty much.