>>138091929 Botamo is hard to guess, but you're way off on Frost.
He was stronger than Base Goku (post absorbing god ki) who was stronger than SSJ3 Goku (could exchange blows with Beerus in the movie and blow up one of his ki blasts in the tv show). And that was before the Whis training and the three years in the RoSaT.
He'd crush anyone from DBZ, he just isn't on the level of a Super Saiyan God (remember, SSJ Goku is just as strong as SSJGod ever since the Beerus battle, and that was before all his training with Whis).
>>138092344 Nope, the episode description says that Piccolo is weaker but will bet everything on a charged up Makankosappo working. That's why the preview shows Piccolo using clones to distract Frost while he charges up.
>>138091929 Frost was most likely even weaker than Z's Freezer, Goku was fighting him with no hint of powerup, kaioken included, and when he went SS1 he literally wasn't breaking a sweat. Piccolo is probably going to have to put some effort in it, but there's no way he would lose.
>>138092554 >Goku never even powered up in his base form, as seen by lack of white aura. Did you forget his training with Whis about suppressing the aura, which is actually leaking ki? He isn't meant to have a white aura while fighting in base anymore.
>Straight up stated that he absorbed some of the power but was nowhere near his SSG form.
In the movie. In Super, it was stated that SSJ Goku's power hadn't dropped at all from SSJ God's.
>>138092590 >I remind you that he has only trained a week at best with Gohan He trained at least around 8 months. Remember, there was a Dragonball wish in this saga already so we're already at least one year from Freeza's resurrection.
>>138092627 >Piccolo is probably going to have to put some effort in it, but there's no way he would lose. Piccolo is going to have the best fight and most likely will job. I hate the fact that he refused to go into the HBTC
You have to be especially retarded to not understand how blatantly obvious most stuff is.
For example if you did not immediately understand that Goku went SSJ1 in the manga before we saw the transformation in the anime then you should honestly consider suicide.
Then there is stuff that is a bit hidden like the attack from Frost against Goku. It 100% has to be some sort of special thing. Once you see the pictures again and pay attention there is no way to deny it.
It's quite impossible to evaluate power levels in Super.
In Beerus arc the only thing we learned was that Whis >> Beerus >> Super Red >>>>> SSJ3.
Then Goku and Vegeta not only got a huge power up, but also changed their method of gaining strength - in DBZ they acquired and mastered next transformations with base power staying somewhat the same. That's why SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3 were reasonable power tiers in DBZ - saiyans had comparable base power levels. With exceptions, of course - base Vegitto was considerably stronger. That's why SSJ2 Vegitto >>>> SSJ3 Goku.
Now we have no clue how powerful base Goku and Vegeta (and in consequence - any of SSJ forms) are.
Gohan not only got weaker, but also his Mystic form doesn't apply anymore, since he uses SSJ again. Thus we have no idea how strong he is now.
Buu's power level should remain unchanged, however, he hasn't fought after Beerus arc.
Last time Piccolo had a real fight, was against #17 and Imperfect Cell. After that he trained a lot, but we never saw what he's capable of.
Frieza's old forms apparently were much stronger than on Namek. Again, no clue how much exactly.
It doesn't help we have no idea how big gaps are between Super Red, Super Cyan and SSJ 1,2,3 with base forms improved.
Also power levels are bullshit and everyone is as strong as the plot demands at the moment, without any regard for previous pace of development.
>>138092168 >He was stronger than Base Goku (post absorbing god ki) who was stronger than SSJ3 Goku (could exchange blows with Beerus in the movie and blow up one of his ki blasts in the tv show). And that was before the Whis training and the three years in the RoSaT. >implying writers haven't already forgotten about that
>>138094321 The worst part was probably the Frieza invasion and fights against the underlings. God it was cringe all the way.
Isn't Krilin supposed to be old? He's got fucking 18 as her wife and the guy bitches against random Frieza soldiers which he was casually beating back then at the beginning of Namek? I don't even want to talk about about Gohan. Piccolo is stronger than 17/18 now, he should be able to launch attack big enough to one shot the whole army. The random faggot that went from Dodoria tier to one shotting the same Picollo just because he was the punching ball of Frieza for only 4 months is the worst thing ever.
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