Better or worse than EVA?
The best mecha show of all time?
What are your opinions /a/?
The story was better than EVA, the execution not so much. Eva was only deep for people who have never read that bible because they translated it into an edgy cartoon. With that said though, the way they told it was what caught more people's attention
>Eva was only deep for people who have never read that bible because they translated it into an edgy cartoon.
The Christian overtones had absolutely nothing to do with EVA being deep
Also, Gunbuster 5 > Gunbuster 6
6 is not bad at all, but 5, in addition to looking kickass and being hype, wraps up nearly all of the thematic development perfectly, while 6 is just a fun bonus level.
>Better or worse than EVA?
I like them both a lot but Gunbuster is just above Eva for me.
>the execution not so much
Gunbuster had way better execution than Evangelion though. Evangelion had a couple of episodes that weren't really important in the other all story and the final two episodes are incomplete.
Better than EVA storywise (in terms of cohesiveness), script wise, visual direction wise and ending wise.
EVA, I think had more potential and the ambiguity played in it's favor.
Neither would be the best mecha show of all time. I don't think I've watched enough mecha shows to really say which that would be.
Those are my opinions, anon.
Gunbuster also probably needed at least another episode to flesh out all of it's characters and their relationships. Smith's death in particular occurs far too quickly after he's introduced.
Not really. He had a purpose for being on screen, his development mostly came posthumously. Granted there isn't much, but it wasn't important.
The series was masterfully paced. I think /a/ is just too used to filler that it flips back and thinks if something isn't spelled out there isn't enough "character development"
The story isn't about Smith, its about Noriko, then Amano then Coach. Everything else is tertiary.
Also, Re: Smith and his rapid death, that segment was entirely for Noriko's benefit to develop her and it did it quite organically.
The problem is that as far as we know the two only interact for a few minutes. It's very difficult to believe Noriko formed such an intense attachment to him in such a short period of time. I don't even necessarily need the development to occur on screen, just a time skip and the implication that the two were more romantically interested in each other than having a couple awkward conversations in a hallway.
>It's very difficult to believe Noriko formed such an intense attachment
I didn't get that there was that significant of a romantic undertone, other than some youthful infatuation. What did stick out was how wracked with guilt Noriko was for being a shit-tier pilot that she decided to finally man the fuck up and git gud.
You could have sacrificed an actual character to do that though, even a side character. Smith is just a literal nothing character. Someone as developed as the childhood friend would have been perfect for the task. As it is the whole thing just happens too fast.
I don't know which I'm more mad about getting tricked into watching. Gunbuster and Diebuster or Toradora.
What are you talking about? Did you even watch Eva or read the bible? They have nothing to do with each other except for some superficial symbols. Even Anno confirms that the biblical stuff in Evangelion doesn't mean anything.
Eva is 'deep' because you need to pay a little attention to what the characters are saying to understand the story.
Gunbuster is a shallow nerd's wet dream with enough old movie and anime references, inconsequential science, robots, aliens and other "fuck yeah" shit and fanservice to like and is old and well-animated enough to have credibility to like. Add to that a sob ending and people actually call it better than Evangelion.
Evangelion is a shallow nerd's wet dream with enough old movie and anime references, inconsequential science, robots, aliens and other "fuck yeah" shit and fanservice to like and is old and well-animated enough to have credibility to like. Add to that a DEEP ending and people actually call it better than Gunbuster.
5/10, I actually started to get kind of mad.
That would be true if Evangelion was shallow and tried to be a homage of a better show, then abandon it, then return to ape it episodes later for a central and lame plot point (muh coachi).
Better than EVA
Both Diebuster and TTGL were better
My opinion is that it was a great start to an idea that GAINAX continued to grow eventually culminating in TTGL.
Fuck off, butthurt evatard
They're all good. But Gunbuster's the best
Evatards actually believe this
I'm ashamed to like Eva because I have to share a fanbase with delusional retarded fanboys like the retards in this thread
Ace wo Nerae was better.
Ochoufujin > Onee-sama
Coach > Coach
Maki > that useless little shit who never shows up after episode 1
And naturally Hiromi > Noriko
Evangelion was Anno after some basic Freud reading. It's a show where both father and older brother figures cuck Shinji, who was basically Anno's self-insert with the depression and the Oedipus complex that he had.
I can't believe people think Gunbuster's story or its characters are actually good.
It sets a tone, and that's it. The "deep" aspects of Evangelion have to do with how the characters are developed and explored and have nothing to do with the religious symbolism.
Never said fun was bad but you sound like one of them faggots who defend harem shit and other guilty pleasures because FUN or think some battle shounen garbage is better than Eva because FUN
Fun is subjective. Someone can have fun with Eva's "2deep4uplot" and find TTGL's tryhard over the top shit to be boring tripe.
Evangelion was really great when it wanted to be, but it was honestly too long. The series has too many filler episodes where nothing of note happens, or pointless story arcs that add nothing to the overall series. If it was half the length it would be ten times better.
Gunbuster is the same though. 2 episodes of Gunbuster are actually good, the rest is pretty dull.
>Also, Re: Smith and his rapid death, that segment was entirely for Noriko's benefit to develop her and it did it quite organically.
I'm coming a bit late here to agree with the dude that said it happens too fast. It definitely isn't a shitty and it fulfills it's purpose well enough but even still.
I think we can compare this with Toji and Kensuke in Evangelion. They both also only exist in order to enable development on Shinji to happen, but they stick around for much longer and have a bit more of meaningful interaction with him. That isn't necessarily a better thing, it's just that this helps immensely to mask the fact they're merely devices to propel Shinji forward, while with Smith it's clear to see.
This kind of stuff is why I think it's silly when people argue that one has "better pacing" than the other. You can't really compare the pacing decisions taken for a 6 episode OVA with the ones in a 26 episode series, because there's stuff one or the other simply couldn't do given its intended run time.
To be quite fair to both series, they both have massive pacing problems. Gunbuster takes 4 episodes to warm up, and eva is filled with pointless padding episodes.
That fucking dance episode in eva. WHY.
Its to develop character. I honestly don't think the show works without those episodes. They're a high point to contrast the lows, a period of competent functioning to make the fall more dramatic.
Eva is not tight, but it is effective. It might have been able to cut three or maybe four episodes but not a full cour. And I don't think the padding in the episodes is the worst thing either.
Evangelions religious symbolism in the show does have a purpose, notice how escapism is a recurring theme in Eva.
Gendo works to achieve his one goal
Kaji fucks women
the religious symbolism applies to that
I don't think the happy, "filler-y" episodes were pointless. The ending wouldn't feel as desolate and it wouldn't bring such a sensation of everything going down to shit if there weren't some happy, careless episodes earlier to add contrast.
>Gendo works to achieve his one goal
>Kaji fucks women
Human traits irrespective of religious symbolism.
You're a shit. It's been confirmed that Anno used the symbolism because it looks cool and sounded neat.
No, he said once to a group of children that he picked the name because it sounded cool. That doesn't mean that the religious symbols were completely irrelevant or put in for no reason whatsoever.
It is true though that none of the people on the team were Christian and that none of them had a terribly extensive or nuanced knowledge of Judeo-Christian mythology or Judeo-Christian ideas in general.
I don't know how anyone from a critical standpoint would say Gunbuster is better than Evangelion. It has some of the worst character writing I've ever come across in any medium. The first three episodes were agonizingly mediocre.
I would say it's enjoyable for taking itself less seriously than Evangelion, but the fact is that it often presents itself as seriously as Eva.
I don't get it either. The ending is pretty emotional and I liked the reasonably realistic look at relativity, but besides that it wasn't terribly special. I like it quite a bit but if it didn't have Anno's name to it I think people would have forgotten about it entirely.
Even though you're more right you're still ignorant.
Anno said that he liked the symbolism because it felt like a creation of a new religion. The "it sounded cool" comes from how he named the show, which doesn't make sense since he didn't come up with the name Evangelion anyway.
People place too much importance on Anno when NGE was a group effort. All the people who helped had different opinions on the symbolism.