>Character begins speaking English >they sound like they've

>>137787332
They're taught proper grammar and can usually read it well enough, but they cannot into pronunciation. They're usually taught by other Japanese natives who can't pronounce English very well. You couldn't except VAs to be good at it for no reason.

Also I find it adorable anyways.

>>137787332
But Cindy's English was fine, it was the other characters who were suppose to be speaking in broken English that actually sounded weird.

Japanese can't speak English, and native English VAs don't want to work for slave wages that beginners in the industry get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sujF161hziE

>>137787332
>they sound like they've been lobotomized or are speaking with a dick in their mouth.
I feel the same way about Americans trying to speak any language except English.

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I don't think you understand how engrish works. Or how moe it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ncADFZgvnk

Engrish thread?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXTpik5wf4

>>137787961
And non-American English speakers don't?

>>137787827
No it didn't. It sounded like they got the receptionist to voice her. She spoke it fine, but her inflection was terrible. It was all flat and emotionless.

>>137787961
Fair enough. Thats why you get native VAs or at least good fluent VAs who can actually act.

Don't they tell English fluent VAs to butcher their own English like Sawashiro in symphogear.

>>137788875

they did.

retards like OP and most /a/nons didn't realize animes are made to panders to japs, not weeaboos wizards in the west

>>137787332
>Is it really that hard to find good English voice actors in japan?
Nobody in Japan speaks poper English so yes. Why should they even care?

>>137787332
Reminder they used Cindy's English dub VA for that scene.

>>137787332
Hollywood does even worse because nobody services audiences they're not interested in.

COWFWEAA

btw anons can speak good japanese?

>>137789758
GREN TAE

They are speaking English in the way their entire culture learns English. It's not meant for native English speakers to understand. It's for native Japanese speakers to understand, "oh, this is in English."

my jambo jet flies cheerfully

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It seems much easier to go from English to Japanese for spoken language because most of the phonetics are present, with the exception of ra/ri/ru/re/ro that falls somewhere inbetween an 'r' and an 'l' sound (hence the Japenese switching those two up in english so often). The rest is as simple as softening and shortening most of the voiced consonants. Figuring out the proper inflection is really the biggest spoken challenge.

Going from Japanese to English, on the other hand, seems like it would be a pain in the ass. Just getting a hang of a non-phonetic system where vowels and consonants can sound different depending on their placement in a word would be a nightmare task coming from a consistent phonetic system. Add on sounds/combinations that don't exist in Japanese phonetics (particularly "V" and "Th"), English's necessity to vary inflection every other word, and top that off with a life-long habit to end most every word in a vowel or "N" sound-- and you get the perfect storm for a lifetime of mush-mouthed Engrish speakers.

not worst the cost/hassle of getting some waitu piggu into your operation for a touch of realism.
you need probably an interpreter and that assuming the 'talent' is even cool with earning what low tier japan seiyuu earn which is probably a pittance.

>>137787848
Source? That glasses girl was cute

>>137790376
But to put >>137788875 for example, if the VA like Sawashiro can speak English just fine, why bother butchering the english?

The few instances in Osomatsu which uses english thankfully has english that is spoken well enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4Tv1mq3MXU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWGZ2tmsi4s&t=0m21s

NEWS FLASH

English is actually one of the hardest languages to learn.

>>137787848
You gotta do it maaaaan.

>>137793373
I learned it playing video games.

>>137793373
English is hard to learn right, because what this anon said >>137790511.
Understanding and writting in english is as hard as any other language, but speaking while trying not sound like your IQ is 20 points lower is hard.

>>137793373
t. monolingual murrican

News flash: Most Japanese people can't speak English that well nor should they be expected to. You probably wouldn't sound all that articulate if you tried speaking in a second language you rarely use in conversation.

>>137793627
News Flash

Most Americans are monolingual for a reason, and it has nothing to do with IQ.

>>137793627
someone please explain to me what the "t." means already.
I know it has a meaning (unless I've been bamboozled)

>>137793820

t. monolingual butthurt burger too stupid to take a second language

>>137793623
English isnt hard to learn because it's hard to pronounce, that's true with a lot of languages, it's hard because we use so many loan words and they don't follow our grammar so the consistency is almost nonexistent.

>>137793919
Look europoor, I can go 2000 miles in any direction and nearly every person I meet will speak the same language as me. I tried to pick up a new language twice. I couldn't hold on to it because there's no opportunities for me to speak it.

>>137793992

Can't afford a ticket to europe?

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>>137787332
So just like how americans sound when they try to pronounce japanese words?

Kill yourself, OP

can you speak proper japanese op? how about german or french?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctXpZVktuNg
Asa-nee speaks great english, I wanna go drinking with her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X97K-euUDfs

>>137793373
It's VERY simple.

>>137787332
Nobody in Japan cares if waito piggu can understand anime English. As long as Japanese viewers understand that the character is speaking a foreign language, that's good enough.

>>137794061
I can take a vacation for two weeks but I can't take a day trip to a place that speaks another language.

>>137793373
Bullshit.

It only took me a year to fully learn it.

>>137789192

holy shit, this. Especially when characters destroy the pronunciation of a language they are supposed to be native.

Anyone have that scene from tokyo mew mew where ichigo tries to talk to some one in english. Some how i love it when characters like to pretend that they can speak english but then are bad at it. it makes their english sound more sincere if that makes any sense, and makes me tolerate it more. It ends up being cute instead of characters that are supposed to be good at english ending up saying garbled gibberish.

>no one's posted this yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jsh8eCcVI0

I'm disappointed /a/

>>137794467
I feel kind of bad for the guy voicing the black dude. He's trying, but everyone else is just blowing it.

>>137794251
>>137793373
If you don't know a word in english just substitute the word from your native language in its place. In time it will become english.

>>137794467
that "you are kidding" really felt off.

>>137793373
>a lot of people learn it by playing videogames, watching movies, watching series, etc
>hard

>>137794410
>It only took me a year to fully learn it.
>fully learn it
ahahahahahahahahaha
ahahah
ahahahahah
ahahahahahah
ahahahah
ahahahahahahahahahahah

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https://youtu.be/OwIZLdclRws

>>137795278
>[pleasured moans]
erry time

>>137787332
>those British accents in the K-on movie
'ALLO 'OIM FROM LONDUN

>>137793623
> speaking while trying not sound like your IQ is 20 points lower is hard.

That's true for anyone that isn't native in a language trying to speak to someone native, unless they've actually dedicated years of study.

Getting the basics of english is extremely easy compared to other languages.

https://youtu.be/rCCzZN803_w

Obligatory.

>>137793991

> we use so many loan words and they don't follow our grammar so the consistency is almost nonexistent.

this is also true, it's basically guesswork going from how some word is spelled to how it is pronounced, or vice versa, without any prior knowledge of the word.

>>137793373
you mean to master.

english is piss-easy to learn.
Ofc when you are japanese and you have such a different grammatical order, writing style and phonetics it becomes a bit hard.

people also do the same mistake some do with meters-to-feet - and what other logical global unit of measurement and assbackwards retarded american unit relation - They think it by always trying to convert things instead of just learning it independently.
Translations and conversions are more advanced "techniques" that will only complicate things when you are trying to learn the basics.

>>137793665
>nor should they be expected to.

Yes they should. English is the most global form of communication in the world and the Americans are all some of the most powerful people in the world, wouldn't it be smarter to learn the language so you can speak to those powerful people properly?

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https://youtu.be/DzD76g4BlQA
How long can you last?

>>137795582

it would be smarter to learn chinese, then.

>>137795669
No one gives a shit about the Chinese. They've got a shitload of people but the country is still insular as fuck and doesn't project it's power.

>>137787332
>Is it really that hard to find good English voice actors in japan?
Why the fuck would they bother? Who in the industry gives a shit about what pasty Burgerlanders think, it's not like you're an actual customer, or anything.

>>137792249
Yama no Susume.

>>137788045
>fuckin jeez
pfffahahahaha

>>137787332
Nobody cares about whito piggu. Fuck off

>>137793895
Finnish for "source of quote"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyBaO8yO7Qc

>>137795905
thank you

>>137795747
This, on top of that, they do have good naive english speakers who are voice actors but rarely is there a role in anime that requires english beyond a stereotype character from America who shouts out english phrases and has either really good japanese or mangled japanese speech patterns in order to get the point across.

It's just like the Ninja Turtles on nick, Several characters speak japanese and randomly throw out japanese words and the brief case actual japanese is spoken, it's mangled all to hell but unnoticeable to anybody who doesn't speak the language.

>>137787848
That guy was way better than the typical native English speakers they get.

https://youtu.be/3W81jQMqUno

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>>137796124
> Johnny
> Tony

>>137793895
t. uncultured swine :DDD

>>137795847
Is it any good?

>>137798257
I've never watched it myself

>>137795483
I'd like to hear them do sgt kilgore

>>137788998
Something tells me you needed to be pandered more in grammar school.

>>137787848
is this trying to say foreigners are dicks because they talk loudly

or is it trying to say that sometimes you just have to stand up for yourself foreigners will mostly understand.

>>137787332
It always annoyed me whenever western weebs speak in japanese. Especially when they tried to pronounce "Anime", it always sounds like "Ahneemay"

Post that scene from symphogear.

>>137795976
That's actually perfect

>>137799854
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TXTpik5wf4

>>137795202
this

>>137799978
Her voice was too screechy .

>>137799978

Christ that's the worst I've ever heard.

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>>137787332
>First lines is in English.
>Sounds pretty good.

I like how you amerifats bitch about japs trying to english, but don't laugh at how bad amerifats try to speak nip nog.

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>>137800723
>/a/ doesn't mock weebs

>>137787332
>speaking with a dick in their mouth.
But that's how english sounds.
Get rekt murifat

>>137788045
LOVER OF RUBBER. FUCKIN JEEZ

>>137799659
I guess, depending heavily on where they were from. I hear Australians are pretty obnoxious travellers, but I hear that as an Australian from other Australians so I don't know how truthful that is.

We can't.

sorry.

>>137788135
I remember hearing that and almost choking on my drink.

>>137795976
Holy shit, that's insane. As someone who's bilingual, when I have to insert English words mid-sentence while speaking a different language, it's far easier to adapt the pronunciation to that language. Pronouncing them correctly requires kind of a mental shift, and also sounds rather stilted and out of place, in my opinion.

ごめんなさい。糞japを代表して謝ります。本当にすみません。英語ができなくてすみません。GHQが日本の公用語を英語にしてくれればよかったのにと思って止みません。本当にすみませんでした。

>>137800633
NOT TOO BAD

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https://youtu.be/fbdVfJGRbfw
Still the best.

>>137803506
Yeah I'm bilingual (English and Ilocano) and people don't appreciate the difficulty of mentally shifting between languages.

For instance, when I speak Ilocano and I insert an english word mid-sentence, I say it with my Ilocano accent. Yet when I am speaking english and I insert an Ilocano word mid-sentence, I struggle because I'm forced to change my way of pronouncing words.

>>137793373
NEWS FLASH.

CHINESE IS HARDER. FINNISH IS THE HARDEST.

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This is the only thing stopping me from watching kiniro mosaic. It's a shame cause karen looks really cute

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>>137803986
I doubt that Finnish is THE hardest one...
But I am pretty sure that it is up there amongst the hardest ones. Learning "me speak language, is good" version of Finnish is easy. Learning how to properly use it though... well, picture related. Learn THAT, bitch.

>>137793373
German here, english is fairly easy to learn. Sure, even after years of use I still make some stupid mistakes and my pronunciation is terrible since I mostly use it in written form, but the learning curve is very gentle.

>>137804130
>total biscuit diagnosed with ball cancer

>>137804130
If you aren't stupid you can clearly see that it has a pattern and it's doesn't even look complicated. The words just get longer and longer, same for English words when you're increasing the amount of something.

>>137804306
Why don't just piss off and scuttle back to /v/ you little bugger?

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>english VA's can't pronounce a japanese name to save their lifes
Just another reason to avoid english dubs.

>>137790243

I can pronounce Japanese better than the fake accents they put on foreigner characters. That is also amusing because the accents generally have no relation to how an actual foreigner would pronounce Japanese, it just needs to sound awful to a native Japanese speaker.

>>137787332
English just sounds retarded m7

>>137788045
Right, moe. After years and years of moe, I'm so over it. So fuck Engrish, fuck moe, and fuck you.

>>137789125
Uh huh. Any other sourceless proofless facts you wanna tell us.

ITT

Anon doesnt understand what accent is

>>137804614
It's a common trope allover the world and it's done to meet the stereotypes that have been cemented by the respective media, which mostly originate from WW2 and before.
Take Germans in English media for example.
Most Germans attempting to speak English actually sound more like Indian people, with similar quirks in pronouncing English words, not like god damn Hitler impersonating Skeletor, funnily only using German for those words everyone else on the planet understands.

sick

>>137795620
I already lost just from the thumbnail alone.

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>>137787332
Nips are shit when it comes to pronunciation.
The way they teach English there at nipland is wrong on so many levels since they insist on using their kana pronunciation instead of proper english using roman alphabet.
Don't know about gooks, but chinks never use their runes and use roman alphabet instead when learning english.

And nips actually have the audacity to say that their students are the most advanced in east asia in terms of learning english.

As a guy who constantly meet native nips in my country, the only decent nip English speaker I've ever met was a girl who spent her childhood in Taiwan.

>>137804942
Aside from nip expats of course.

>>137804329
The englishmen are confused by long words and sentences. If something is not decomposed into small, bite-sized units that can be processed by their primitive brains then it just segfaults, i.e. if you were to take the words and sprinkled some spaces and hyphens among their letters they wouldn't bat an eye, but the moment they are confronted with a Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän they will flee in utmost terror, perceiving it as some kind of linguistic monstrosity.

>>137804996
>germans getting uppity again

you're really itching for another beating aren't you?

>>137804942
>Don't know about gooks, but chinks never use their runes and use roman alphabet instead when learning english.
don't the chinks even start with the latin alphabet when they teach their own language to their hatchlings?

>>137805017
It's not like you can afford another war right now.

>>137805072
to be fair no one in europe can, the whole adventure in Libya was so embarrassing with countries running out of money half-way through

>>137805017
I don't see you controlling Europe.

>>137787332
To me the worst example is the Psycho Pass movie.
Why didn't they just hire a couple of Gaijins? The foreign characters spoke nothing but English, they never said a word of Japanese, and this was a one-time thing for characters who would never be needed again, so there was no reason to use Japanese VAs.

>>137787332
>Character is supposed to be a foreigner
>Speaks flawless Japanese with no accent

>>137793373

maybe if you're a big fat dumbo
maybe that's why you and nips find it so hard LOL

>>137794121

But he also isn't a VA hired to speak nip, german or french.

>>137806547
but they're blonde, that's alien enough

>>137788875
Isn't that kinda insulting to people who can pronounce english well? I know japanese have aversion to everything non-japanese, but still it must be sad when director tells you "screw your skills, talk in crappy engrish". Or being good at talking english makes you sort of a nippon traitor?

>>137795715

Or culture. Sure, in terms of population and perhaps some vague idea of being a future world leader there'd be a reason to learn Chinese, but since they produce no media of note except from a few wuxia movies every other year why would you learn it?

>>137805072

>implying anyone needs to fight krautland when all the kebabs are going to destroy your country anyway

Enjoy your multikulti ruin, Hun.

>>137787961
Pfft yes its hilariously bad how most whose mother language is english spell japanese words

>>137790511
If only that were the case. I've met so many Americans who have absolutely horrendous Japanese pronunciation, even after living in Japan for a few years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x39Jp-z61M

JEEEEEEEEEEESUS.

Hollywood with their million dollars budget and still couldn't hire actors that speak foreign languages properly, you expect some anime studio to do it?

>>137810013

Christoph Waltz does multiple European languages pretty spot on though

Anon, Hey anon.
You know when you say anime? Or manga? Or anything Japanese.
Thats
How
You
Sound.

>>137804232
You're also probably versed is a pretty poor dialect. The English spoken here on 4chan and the English a native speaker would use in a job interview are very different languages.

>>137810271
D.. Doshio

>>137787332
Ha, don't let me get started on german. It's FUCKING awful.

>>137793373
It's actually not. I find russian harder, even though I am a slav and it's supposed to be a lot easier for me.

It's probably because I consume more content in english rather than russian.

The hardest to learn (out of the most used in the world) are Chinese, Korean and Japanese IMO.

>>137794075
>ringo

Americans
>wreengoe
Slavs
>r (rolling R) ingo

>>137810286
Not him, but I've learned a huge part of my english on 4chan.

How do I "unfuck" it? Let's say I'm writing a story.
>it takes a long time to write
>it has plot holes
>some words take a lot of time to come to mind
>my vocabulary is small and the story sounds really blunt

You might argue that some are not strictly problems with my learning of the english language itself - and instead it's my own fault; in my own personality and language; and you'll probably be right.

>>137810271
spot-on?

>ah-nii-mee
>man-gha

>>137811179
No, Its アニメ and 漫画.
The latin script and the Japanese/Chinese one is very different.

>>137798037
12 hours and still up. Wow, mods. Just wow.

>>137809057
This is pretty good actually.

>>137811572
I'm retarded, I was watching this video and thought it was good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOTFEL4fjX4

>>137809057
>censored american flag

wew

>>137810808
Being ukrainian/russian speaker myself, have to say, that funny enough I found pronunciation in Japanese very similar to ukrainian (and russian, and probably evert slavic language ever).
Although, english speaking dudes may found it hard to pronounce.

>>137811646
Bulgarian here, I've felt the same way about the pronunciation.

I don't have to twist my words so they sound japanese.

>>137811146
Can somebody help me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_r2YeIH7BU
Shake it now~ Baby now~

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>>137810271
>implying I'm a murican who can only speak English and can't pronounce other language properly
>tfw a non native English speaker who can fluently speak four languages including nip

I have all the rights to ridicule their shitty English anon

Bee baka.

>>137811999
Bee getty

>>137811889
Well, their language education system is just bad, and most of them just think they don't need English in their everyday life (which is true for the most part).

Also, because of the way they historically speak and write, it's kind of hard to pronounce all this "L's" and consonant w/o vowels after them.

>>137798257
It's the greatest show ever. It's got mountain hiking, comedy and loli fanservice, everything a healthy man needs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l4iOjppiLc

This is better than any animu.

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>>137811889
>tfw Non native Earthling who speaks 97.5 languages and the ability to talk directly into someone's mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XawyHiXMJc

>>137811779
Anyone?

>>137803944

Perhaps some languages are easier when swapping.

I am native Chinese, but having lived 10 years in the U.S. I find my self speaking Chinglish at home all the time. It somehow just mixes in and doesn't feel awkward.

>>137812822
Read English novels. That's what helped me a lot.

>>137812822
There's no such thing as unfucking your english, you refine your english over time.

As for writing, even best selling authors need to study the works of tons of other authors.
Writing out your thoughts is not that simple when you have tons of storytelling styles available in the market.