I just finished Katanagatari. How the fuck did she win in the end?
Not that I'm complaining
To elaborate on why this is a good ending:
Being a descendant of Shikizaki Kiki, and possessing the last blade the protagonists have yet to collect in Entou Ju, Hitei killed Togame, which was revealed to be a prerequesting for perfecting Shikizaki's final blade: Shichika. So in the end it's basically a story about how Kiki continued forging swords even beyond the grave, and disposed of the shogunate for some reason too.
Togame wanted him dead in the end. That automatically makes her the best girl.
It's even implied that they get together on their journeys, so she wins fair and square
And of course Togame ultimately gets her revenge through Kiki's schemes, and learns to love too. It was really the best she could have hoped for.
if my memory doesnt fail me
her purpose was either restoring the order Shikizaki broke or fucking up the destiny course of events
i may have a superposition of information because i dont remmember well, and i think its more the second one
I always forget the intricate bits but it has something to do with her being the descendant of Kiki and trying to fight her destiny. Basically the answers you're looking for are all below surface level.
It's both. She's supposed to finish what Shikizaki started but she ends up fucking it all up because she's kind of a fickle bitch.
To carry out Shikizaki's will and help ensure the perfection of Kyoutouryuu/death of the shogunate, along with Togame. Although in the latter's case with probably much less awareness of just how broad a game Shikizaki has played.
"help along with Togame's help" is what I meant.
You're an idiot if you think that nothing is going to happen between a man and a woman who're alone and on a journey for who knows how long. They have no one else but each other too, don't you think something won't happen between them? Shichika was even warming up to her at the end, so it's not like he sees her like you think.
>hypothesizing outside of the text based on "real world" conventions
>Wonder why best girl won in the end
It's just the law of the universe, anon. It's all about karma, she won because she was a good person while the other girl died because she was a backstabbing insane bitch.
i think i dropped it like 1/3rd the way in because they talked too much
was it worth sticking through? i wouldnt have mind the series being dialogue heavy but from what i remember, it wasn't very interesting and the pacing broke up the action too much
Seriously? Thinking about what might happen after is fanfiction? It's not like I wrote a story about how they banged every day on their journey, that's a fucking fanfiction. The story is based on real life like every other story, is it wrong to apply real world logic to it? You're just in denial.
>Seriously? Thinking about what might happen after is fanfiction?
Yes. Because it's not in the text. That's how fiction works.
It's not an action anime, each episode only has like 2-3 minutes of it (with the exception of the last episode). The lore is really deep and I liked the atmosphere. I would finish it if I were you.
monogatari is very good too, don't make nisio choose between children
He forged the blades to fix the distorted timeline; and in time, these weapons would be used to defend the country. The blades were originally conceived as weapons before the eventual revelation that the greatest blade is a human being. Thus, the final blade was developed to render all other blades obsolete.
Togame was essential to gathering all the blades, but in the end she was as greedy as the rest of the former owners and wielders of the blades. Hitei was focused on the true goal of correcting the timeline, and was responsible for guiding all the blades to their proper place. She correctly deduced the effect of Togame's death on Shichika, enabling the final stage of his transformation. Had she not done so, Togame would have wasted her blade as all the other previous wielders squandered their blades.
However, by this point in time, its effect on history was largely inconsequential to those who fought to change it. Shichika is just a living weapon, and Hitei was clearly exhausted by her double life and was ready to embrace the end. They made the impossible happen, and that was enough for them.
The 'invasion' wasn't all bad for Japanese society, either - but that is another story.
thanks anon, this makes it a lot clearer.
in what sense is the timeline "distorted" and how did that happen?
Is there significance in Shichika becoming a cartographer in the end?
It kind of doesn't matter. In the end, the "changed history" was rectified into our timeline, and Shichika's efforts in cartography either was rendered obsolete by or became part of modern cartography after encountering Western traders.
She didn't "win", the only people that think that are social retards that have minds so degraded by a lifetime of shit tier anime they can't understand things from a non-haremshit point of view.
She accomplished Kiki's goal of perfecting the last sword and put history back on the correct course, and then her life was essentially over, just as Shichika's part of the story was also over.
The ending was meant to imply that these two now essentially worthless relics with no goals in life disappeared off the face of the earth together not because they were in some retarded relationship, but because they were both finished with their lives and had accomplished what they set out to do. There was zero romance involved.
How did they have no goals? Shichika became a cartographer and Hitomi accompanied him.
>There was zero romance involved.
Why not? It's not like they have anyone else. Wounds do eventually heal.
>in what sense is the timeline "distorted" and how did that happen?
Its been a while since I watched it, but if I remember, it mostly has to do with Kiki's personal view on how things should play in out. The path he best thinks will lead Japan to prosperity. However, like Shichika and Hitei-hime say at the end, the people in the future have the freedom to choose their own path. The very idea that history could be wrong is false since history is just a sum of choices and actions made by free willed individuals.
>Is there significance in Shichika becoming a cartographer in the end?
Not really. He enjoyed traveling Japan, and fantasized about making maps with Togame.
Hey, I made that!
But how can I make it more crushing?
I see you, and raise you with this
All this time, I thought that it was his swordmaking that screwed up the timeline in the first place. Then Shichika ends up taking out the shogun, that he created, and everyone in the show is acting like this is all according to keikaku, and I'm just lost completely.
It would definitely make more sense this other way, if it was one continuous master plan to end one dynasty. So then what was "wrong" originally with the timeline? Was it literally just the fourth wall / the shogunate being different from the real shogunate?
Actually someone else asked that you don't have to answer again
I think I'm gonna stop now...
Hitei had nothing to do with Togame's death. Emonzaemon did that on his own because he felt she had fulfilled her usefulness by collecting the swords and if she lived any longer she would just be a threat to Hitei.
This show is held in high regard from what I've seen. It's good, sure, but it just gave me an awkward(?) feeling. It's like I felt unsatisfied. The characters were alright, but whole "sword of the month" premise really rushed things. I couldn't appreciate any of the characters as they only appeared for an episode or MAYBE two, and then they'd be gone. I was rused by Sabi's encounter, and I think the last episode was definitely the best, but I still feel like it wasn't something incredible like it's portrayed to be. Maybe I've paid too much attention to the vocal minority?
I'm fine with the everything the story did.
Togame spouted only bullshit as she was dying though.
I'll concede that they do understand each other, because they are very similar (Both are now relics who no longer have a purpose in life.), but that doesn't mean they're gonna be together. Shichika quite literally doesn't have the emotional capacity for something like that at that point, even if Hitei was interested.
>Men and women are required to fuck if they're near each other.
Anyway, making fucking maps is just what they did for lack of anything better to do at that point. Their options were either A) suicide, or B) something else of no consequence.
MC-kun is generally a nice guy and helps a lot of people out. Said people enjoy his company and some are fond of him. MC-kun has a girlfriend.
How that qualifies as NTR is beyond me, but that's what they insist on.
You're leaving out the fact that he clearly wants to fuck another girl, he does lewd things with his sister and quite a lot of other assorted lewd shenanigans
It's not NTR but you're downplaying it too much
Did anyone ever figure out what the deal was with Emonzaemon and Maniwa Ho-oh? Trying to find info on Maniwagatari is fucking impossible.
Emonzaemon's name too, they commented on it being 'awkward' several times.
Emon and Zaemon translate to Right Gate Ward and Left Gate Ward respectfully, and were used as titles in the era for someone from the 'House of the left' and 'House of the right', which were more about their duties, with people of the -emon title being guards.
I thought it was interesting and it's all i could find, anyone else know anything?
Wasn't it the other way around?
Like Ho-oh had the body part stealing thing. And Emonzaemon always went on about how the princess saved her or something.
So I assume she gave a body part to a body part Ho-oh dropped off and the world ended up with two of them or something.
It would explain the face, and a mask that reads "unconcealed".
here's that pic with no crease.
>Comparing Katanagatari with *monogatari
The difference is the Katana isn't insufferable shit that wastes all it's character potential in two seasons. In fact it has the talent and foresight to end in one.
I don't give a shit about authorship. *gatari is SHIIIIT, and that is made all the more clear by katana.
>A man and a woman would do nothing even after spending their whole life together
You just don't understand humans' nature at all.
>short haired Togame
>Shichika cant wrap her hair around him anymore
You're all some fucking bitches. I bet you all loved Togame and her cuteness during the journey, but then she died and everyone loved fucking shitei, she had like 3 lines during all the show and all she did was being a spoiled bitch.
Never like that annoying Togame to begin with. She already showed her manipulative nature in episode 1. And Hitei single-handlely carry the plot on her own, she corrected the history, had Togame killed thus saved Shichika's life and made him the final blade to destroy the shogunate.
>there are people who unironically wanted this cunt to win
>there are people who are still mad about this
Not saying Hitei isn't a completely different type of cunt, but come on.
Hitei was like fucking Saraumon. As an antagonist, she was a constant shadowy menace looming over the entire journey; and as an anti-hero, she was stoic and unrepentant even unto her assumed executioner.
She loved Shichika as a leader would love his bodyguard. She used him expressly for her own designs, and only thought of him as an independent person once it was clear her death would make whatever use she had for him unnecessary.
She should eat something. She's a spooky skeleton.
anyone got a gif or webm of all the Togame faces before the last fight with Emonzaemon?
I wonder how tight is that ainu pussy
>You made me have fun and enjoy life for the first time
>But I used these feelings as pawns
>But I love you
>Yeah I love you too
>But I was just using these feelings to deceive you
>Do you feel nothing
>Yes I do
>But I use these feelings to deceive you
>But I still think I have fallen for you
Holy shit I actually tried to feel sad but the whole conversation was so fucking stupid. Atleast edgy Shichika made up for the rest of the Episode.
did you miss the part where he was no longer constrained by Togame's rules? he could go wild on the swords
Literally what was the point of those 1000 Swords? Never understood what kind of "Style" you are supposed to use with them. You just have a bunch of swords lying around that even the enemy can pick up.
No, I understood that. I did understand that in the end he was always the best sword
I just don't really enjoy seeing curbstomps like that. Okay, so these new random fuckers appear to kill you with the swords, but hey you just stomp through them, zero effort.
I mean, what's the point, you know? But that's probably just me. I enjoy seeing back and forth fights, I enjoy seeing both parts struggling and trying to get upper hands. Curbstomps are kinda boring to me.
>I enjoy seeing back and forth fights
But that was the whole point. There was no challenge for him as soon as he could just go full out. Yes it may have seem weird that he can suddenly just fuck up everyone in a few seconds but they tried to show exactly that. Would have made no sense if he had to struggle beating them.
Honestly it's just personal opinion, after lurking a little on these threads I sorta get the ending but it still personally didn't do anything for me.
Okay, the point was to show that he was the perfected deviant blade, over all the others. Maybe I'm just stupid, but all I can think of is "so what?". I guess I'm looking at it through an entertainment point rather than a story point, maybe that's the problem.
One of these days I should go back and watch the series again.
all of 3 minutes where we're just shown them trading a flurry of blows? Nah, doesn't do it for me. Emonzaemon a shit too.
How probable is it that she actually won by having a relationship with him? Shichika didn't have any kids with her as far as we know.
But having a person be both a fortuneteller and kyotoryuu would be amazing.