Reminder that if you have watched less than 200 TV series (not OVA/Movies) then you don't know shit about anime and your opinion is completely worthless.
>if you've seen fewer anime than me then you know nothing and your opinions are shit
>if you've seen more than me then you're either lying or a no life loser
>if you've seen as many as me then you still don't like the right anime so your tastes are shit.
Reminder that if you keep track of your shit on MAL, you have Asperger's.
Why do people get so mad when you point out that they don't know anything about anime?
Most of /a/ are people who got into anime a year or two ago and have 50~ shows watched on average, and most ONLY watch seasonal shit.
There have been multiple polls to prove this, yet people ITT are getting mad about it.
The old standard for number shows watched to have a decent opinion on anime has always been 100. I think that's fine, doesn't need to be changed, unless you're trying to make newfags mad, in which case go ahead, but they usually get mad at 100 too. I have 306 'TV' entries on MAL, to counter the "You have seen 101 shows" argument.
But there's more than 100 bad shows out there. If you have seen 100 shows of a certain genre. Maybe then you've got an opinion. But I've watched more than 100 movies without trying.
>80/90s is better than modern stuff!
The only point you have is the 1-cour stuff, but people who exclusively watch long series are rare, and even if you watch the same amount of hours, fewer entries probably means less variety, especially since some genres don't have many long shows.
The point is that someone who has seen 100 shows is probably not going to have completely worthless opinions and you can talk to them about anime.
Even if it was 100 bad shows the above would still be true to an extent, but in practice it's a mix of good and bad.
I agree that 100 shows is not much for any self-respecting anime fan.
>The point is that someone who has seen 100 shows is probably not going to have completely worthless opinions and you can talk to them about anime.
They probably have a completely worthless opinion because it only takes about 400 hours to watch 100 shows.
10k hour rule
1000 episodes before you're allowed to start lurking, 5000 episodes before you're allowed to start posting.
The problem is that those shows they watched are never "bad" shows they are almost always entry level and popular shows. Their opinion is shit simply because its the same as every other entry level faggot. They will call shows that are mediocre horrible simply because they haven't seen what a real shit show is or because its not the genre they like(ie its moe).
That 10k rule is talking about skills. Anime is a hobby, not a skill.
If you have only seen 100 shows (or less) then your opinion about anime is completely uninformed and you should not be posting.
>That 10k rule is talking about skills. Anime is a hobby, not a skill.
Anything is a skill. The less experience one has the less their input is worth
stop trying so hard to fit in.
I don't know man; I've been getting some fairly rave review on MY posts and I'm still not quite sure what anime even is. Isn't like a type of foil?
I've never really taken notice of it until recently, when I started looking for series by director and so on more often
Why are there so many comments of the pages of directors and other anime staff written as if said people can actually see them? Stuff like "you should make a new season of x" or "x was shit, you're a hack!" and so on. Am I missing something here?
Since this is a shitpost thread anyway, I'll throw out a request and hope someone answers it.
Anyone remember the name of the anime that has Hiroyuki's waifu? Her name was Rebecca or Reby or Becca or something. From the 70s, if I recall correctly.
>tfw I somehow started using hummingbird
>Idgaf about what I use as long as I can track my watched anime
>Realize later that it's pretty shitty, incredibly slow
I wish I could just transfer my watched history to some place else. At least it keeps a "Time spent watching" thing there.
That would be approximately 25000 episodes, just over 2000 series (taking the average series at 12 episodes). There are approximately 16k anime total between all OVAs, movies, televised anime, and shorts. So to complete the 10k rules you would require a sizeable percentage of the total offering that anime has ever produced.
However if I take the average episode count to include OVAs the average significantly drops to approximately 7 episodes per series, and this the 10k rule produces on average 3.5k total series viewed.
Honestly saying you need to watch anime in order to have opinions on it is silly, as many media ideals, story telling, art direction, sound direction, dialogue, etc. persist through the medium it is told in. Indeed beyond understanding the differing style of story telling inherent to japanese culture rather than westernized culture all watching anime does for one opinion is to give themselves a wider breadth of knowledge on media topics. Anime is a medium, not a genre. It's like saying watching a smattering of all movies makes you able to comment on them all in a reasonable manner. It most certainly does not guarantee that.
> saying you need to watch anime in order to have opinions on it is silly
Reread what you just wrote and recognize that you are denying that more experience generally makes your opinions more worth listening to.
>and your opinion is completely worthless
Oh no! My precious opinion on Japanese cartoons!
That is not what I am implying. I am saying that someone who is a western film expert can make interesting analysis on anime despite not having watched any due to have media experience in other areas. Needing to watch anime alone to be able to comment on anime is a silly notion, total media experience, and specific genre experience is more important than medium experience.
MAL also has a time watched, but it's horribly inaccurate. I would not expect hummingbird to be more accurate though.
I guess you watched enough anime to estimate that with some accuracy? At least 1000 TV shows and 500 OVAs/movies, right?
Eva is shit, Tutu is kind of shit, Bebop is decently good.
not contributing to the thread
no but you see this isn't exclusive to anime, this also goes for books, series, movies etc, any scripted play on a specific genre counts towards your experience on anime in that specific genre as-well.
>I guess you watched enough anime to estimate that with some accuracy? At least 1000 TV shows and 500 OVAs/movies, right?
To determine the total number of anime and estimate the average episode count? Those statistics are available to someone who has never even seen a chinese girl cartoon.
To say that one does not need to have specifically experience with the japanese cartoons to be able to comment on japanese cartoons? Again, any idiot would be able to realize medium and culture context is more important than medium experience. While these can be garnered through anime exclusively it by no means needs to be.
As for how much I have watched? It doesn't matter what number I say because it's not as if I couldn't be lying, or you won't imply I am. Shouting credentials at each other that can be made up on the spot in an anonymous fashion means nothing.
I wish I could watch more but I'm so lazy and get sidetracked by pointless shit so easy.
>no but you see this isn't exclusive to anime, this also goes for books, series, movies etc, any scripted play on a specific genre counts towards your experience on anime in that specific genre as-well.
Very true, experience in a genre is just as important as experience in a medium. Of course this is only true for some aspects. Reading books does not make you capable of commenting on color direction and animation quality.
Lots of disagreement, I guess Tutu is a safe choice then.
I've been putting off a lot of classics. I haven't even seen FMA:B, GitS, or LoGH.
Here's your reply faggot.
2/10, try harder next time.
He doesn't think those shows are classics and is really mad that you were under the impression that they were.
I don't think FMA:B or FMA should be considered classics either. But I do think that FMA:B is very good regardless.
GITS I think is a classic.
It should make sense to anyone who's been using MAL since October or earlier. They completely fucked up the way profiles look. Previously MAL had nice clean design with a lot of info but after update it became colorful vomit. Scripts made an effort to at least partially fix it so my profile looks like pic related.
Also, in that update, "Statistics" section, the only important one, was moved below "About Me" for some retarded reason. MAL is becoming more facebook everyday but is still better than alternatives unfortunately. Another thing they changed was removal of quick edit button. It seems like every change MAL goes through is supposed to artificially increase amount of clicks and time wasted on the site while decreasing amount of useful info. I hate this trend.
Ok yeah. I prefer the older view too. And I thought that's what you might have meant with your post. But I wasn't sure and I'm not autistic enough to write my own script to fix it, nor was I aware of the existence of one that does that.
My biggest complaint about MAL changes (among many others) is that they are renaming shows with English names to the weeb romaji pronunciation.
The irony is that the weeb romaji pronunciation is not any closer to the "original" japanese title, and is in fact further because literally no one uses it. Unlike the English version that many people use, and protip: MAL is an English site. Like why not use fucking kanji if they want original, it would still be similarly incomprehensible to 99% of users but at least it's the original title right!
Clearly what users want to see in their list is "Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu", and not that pig disgusting gaijin name ugh.
Because of this retardation I've considered writing my own anime tracking utility but I just can't afford to lose the MAL database features.
There is a script for that which changes the names to their English versions. I've had it for years, works great. Works on Chrome/Firefox.
Go here: http://myanimelist.net/profile/zanetu
It wasn't bad, really. Sure, being elitist about watching 1000 shows is nice and all but that applied to tiny minority of users. But yes, they could have added something to indicate user goes over maxed, either color or some characters on the bar, whatever.
Watching the bars rise was pretty fun and in general they were a good way to instantly decide if it's worth looking at someone's profile. Someone with (close-to-)maxed completed bar was already worth looking at more closely, even if he watched less than you. I used that as first step of elimination, later looking at stats more closely, favorites and finally scores.
Unless you means the fact Watching maxed out earlier than Completed - but that was in my opinion very good.
The global bar is bad because someone watching anime for a month can have the exact same bar as someone watching for ten years. The bar doesn't provide any useful information. And as you said, a lot of PtW makes it completely useless. If it wasn't become blue I would have deleted it but as it is I don't mind it much, even if it doesn't serve any purpose.
Pic related is a comparison of old look and new one, both without scripts.
This thread was a lifesaver:
Your profile criteria was basically looking at the completed bar, which is no different than looking at the completed number. You can still just see the number in the new design.
Some of the retarded maxes were for dropped, on-hold, and completed.
The global bar is nice because you can see what proportion of shows you drop, put on hold, or complete. It also shows something like a rate of growth based on the size of the watching portion.
Also, it's a lot easier than you think to find a MAL profile
Not exactly, you notice the bar in split second, it's something happening almost subconsciously. The bars also allowed for easy comparison of watching/completed/dropped, applying weight to their rate of growth was good because people generally have more entries in completed.
Global bar is horizontal so you can't easily compare sections if differences between them aren't huge and especially watching to on-hold/dropped because huge completed part separates them.
Having multiple bars one below another made the comparison easier in my opinion.
Fuck. There are many options but I thought no one would bother. How?
Western film experts generally are not geared toward anime. They might be able to comment on directing and such, but I wouldn't take their advice about most anime over someone who's watched even two or three hundred anime, which is much less than a real film expert watches. They probably won't have tastes geared toward anime (most, for example, would probably deride fanservice for the sake of fanservice), and they would also not be proof against any of the same generalizations or misconceptions that newfag thirteen-year-olds make. You wouldn't go to /tv/ for a conversation on anime even if they weren't memelords. Someone who doesnt watch/hasn't watched a lot of anime does not belong on /a/, end of story.
>the guy who keeps bitching in different threads about how non-anime watchers should be accepted is also the same newfag who spouts his retarded opinions everywhere and then says people who call him out "aren't contributing"
Makes sense. Get a trip already so I can filter you.
The good thing about the new bars is that
1. they don't cap
2. they shift relative to each other
The second part can be a con because you don't get an idea of absolute magnitude so you have to take a look at the numbers below. It may take a whole second instead of a split one to make an impression, but I still prefer the information the two mentioned things add.
To stay anonymous you need to do three things:
1. Hide obviously identifying information (which you did by blacking it out)
2. Use screenshots that don't have your new profile stats (which you did)
3. Hide your Last Anime/Manga Updates (you didn't do this)
It's easy to find out who watched Rec on Oct 3-4 on some hour ending in ':25".
(Accounts for differences in time-zones)
Hmm, they don't seem that bad anymore. Maybe I reacted too negatively toward them because of how new layout looked in general.
Fuck, I didn't realize all members option sorts by last activity.
Thank you, that was very educational.
If you don't have a firm understanding of all the following names/things listed, then I simply can't take your opinion seriously: Toei doga, Ghibli, Kawamoto, Koji Yuri, Mitsuo Iso, Okiura, Tanabe, Ohira school, 12 Principles of Animation, naturalism, impressionism, expressionism, French New Wave, Fleischer, Genga, Douga, Enshutsu, Satsudashi, pegbar, pay calculation in anime production, medium specificity, modernism, Brecht, Kabuki, Japanese theatricality, Classicism, Film theory.
pretentious douche spouting well-known anime veterans and mixing it with different literary, theater and film/animation terminology and concepts to sound smart. Or would you care to elaborate how dialectical theatre influenced iyashikei?
The person who has seen both the gamut of 80s/90s as well as hundreds of "meh"/trash shows has a better breadth of experience than both of them.
A guy who only drinks the top dozen finest wines in the world and literally refuses all others for example ... is he really a wine connoisseur at that point? Does he even really like wine, or does he only want to sound like an uppity prick around anyone who isn't stocking the few he will tolerate drinking in order to puff up his ego? Not to mention such, a sommelier type who gets to such a status has presumably already tried hundreds of wines in the process of refining his tastes and opinions to get to such a state. If you're not a real wine expert and just adopt that super expert's snooty nature and tastes, no, you don't get it, that's not how this shit works.
As you progress you will find you have things you disagree about heartily with experienced people... they didn't praise something that you just fucking know is amazing, they can't stop praising something you saw and didn't think was that great, and some things your opinions overlap. The expert's word is not set in stone; it's just another guy, and you don't have to agree with him.
So no, you can't just say "yeah there are like 20 good anime ever and everything else IS UNWATCHABLE SHIIIIT" because that just makes it clear you are actually too lazy to bother going through enough shows to develop a palette of tastes and pros/cons about different types and focuses in shows.
>watch a short + specials + ova
>counts as like 10 series watched
Pretty shit stat. I never used anything to track other than notepad for years until about a year ago when I started using Taiga.
No one is saying that watching 5000 episodes makes you an anime expert, but you have to start somewhere. Ideally the limit should be something like 10000, but that might be a bit too unreasonable for the average anime watcher these days.
And I'd rather listen to the opinion of someone who has only seen the shows you mentioned than the average faggot who posts in 3x3 threads and has only seen the same 30-40 anime that constantly get reposted there.
Watching many shows doesn't give you good taste, but it does make you very informed.
Would you ask someone who only drinks natural ice what a good beer is, or would you ask the person who's sampled a bit of everything? There is a difference between watching something for the experience or enjoyment despite the flaws and just watching to increase the e peen.
As far as dropping shows goes, nothing is more pleb. A sign off ADHD as well.
Anime is a hobby, by not dropping anime you are enjoying it and going along for the ride regardless of quality because it is a hobby you enjoy, watching anime. Dropping shows doesn't give you taste, it makes you look like an ass. You don't go into a show expecting to dislike it, you should at least have an idea of what it is. You shouldn't let false hopes or hype influence your anime watching experience either, because that kind of mindset will ruin a show for you.
Dropping anime is a sign that you starting to dislike anime and should find a new hobby.
Every season I watch at least one episode of every single show that has the tiniest chance to be something I would like.
I end up dropping half of them. No I'm not going to watch them, and it would be stupid to do so. I mean I would watch them if I had infinite time but I'm still watching 6+ shows per season not counting backlog.
You should revise your argument.
You're going into shows blind though.
That's on no one but you.
I don't particularly care for all female cast-moe shows, I'm not about to go in blind with a season of shows with the chances that one show might happen to be moe, that would be stupid.